mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

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Wow I expected this game to make me hate myself but I didn't expect it to make me hate myself this much

And I have to deal with mafsepia

This is all chennis, I'm using orange. If anything looks remotely like orange it's me, I can't tell the difference with this dumb skin

Switch to mafblack! Mafsepia is lame.

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VOTE: skitter30

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@123456789
Why have you missed out the most important of all the numbers in your name?

Well if I add zero, my phone thinks my username is a phone number.

That aside, though zero is important, most people (with the primary exception of programmers) count from one, not zero.

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hello sluts

VOTE: 1234566789

obv scum, also rlly satisfying to slide my finger across the numbers row

Please do not misspell my username when voting; my phone then thinks it is a phone number, so it becomes harder to see who you are voting. Use Numbers if you must.

Side note, I’ve met Baezu in real life, and she brought an edible that I ate, so she mainly only has seen stoned Flavor irl, which makes our hydra fitting.

Hydrae should sign, please and thank you.

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Town:
DEB

Likely town:
Pine
Pengiiiiiiiii

Likely Scum: Acute Right Obtuse

1000% confscum: Baezu Leaf

Other people: other things

-Chanel

How is Baezu confscum? What is your scumtell on chennisden?

[123456789]

Well then what about Baezu?

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Hi Doug, how are you?

Is there a reason you wish to be called Doug?

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Oh Glorious Mod, isn't that two votes on me?

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What is your scumtell on chennisden?

As the wagon on his hydra is fairly populated I feel no need to explore this at the moment. Revealing this would mean harder games in the future to solve Chennis' alignment, as he would be aware of that tell. I will only reveal this if needed. I hope you understand my position.

- Fireball.

First thing first I don't think anyone on this site has gotten this good at reading me minus FL or Ank, and you're clearly neither of those people. FL is already in this game and Ank wouldn't say this bullshit when she was completely wrong on me just now. Second thing is I can completely change my scumgame at a drop of a hat and you'd know this if you were actually LOOKING at my meta. Also scumreading me for bullshit or made up reasons is a really good way to throw the game regardless of my alignment so don't do that.

Your job is also to play to win

this game

and given you're willing to vote me and pretend you have a reason to do so instead of just outing it. There's no meta tell THAT STRONG on anyone particularly a player like me. Anyone who's played a game recently with me when I rolled scum really shouldn't be cocky enough to say something like "I have a reliable meta tell on chennis and im not gonna out it lul" because 1) You clearly failed last time and 2) not outing it for "future games" is a dick move. Not outing it so you can see if it still applies is understandable but "future games" goes COMPLETELY against the spirit of the "win this current game rule" and it pisses me off.

- Acute

I don't think it's against the spirit of the rules, but I do agree it's a bit distasteful.

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Yeah that was a scummy reaction lol

-chanel

It didn't look all that bad to me. Seems pretty NAI; chennis is clearly angry here.

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i also know that channelfireball has NOT read the op because if he did he'd know that you have to get BOTH wincons.

But how is that relevant?

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If not for the meta tell, your reaction to all of this is not representative of your town game. This frustration and the way you phrased it comes from you when you roll scum. I feel fairly certain about that. This reaction is clearly a response coming from frustrated scum that wants to know how they got caught, or perhaps being able to rectify their mistake mid-way, which is unfortunately for you not going to happen.

- Fireball.

I still find this rather distasteful even if it is not illegal. It is rather arrogant imo. Not sure if it comes from town or scum though.

I don't see anything of much substance in their posts. The only interesting one was the rant about your read. Seems genuine but if the parts about ability at this game are true I can easily see it being fabricated.

I'm not a big fan of day one. I'm normally one of the lynch options at the end of the day and in my experience the only useful stuff that happens is the voting towards the end of the day which almost always ends in a town lynch. I don't think anyone can have any certainty about anyone else's alignment at this point in the game unless they are scum and know everyone else it town.

I understand your position. However this tell is pretty strong, and the response to it makes me think that this tell is also applicable this game. If not for the tell itself, perhaps Chennis' response to it should be fairly telling that he seems particularly annoyed by my vote in particular, while having 4 other players on the wagon. The other reason why I have not revealed the tell, is to see what the slot would do about it, and they seem fairly obsessed with it to the point of only generating discussion about it, and not the game itself. Disregarding the tell, this is fairly scummy.

To be fair, there isn't much else to talk about. Your tell on ARO is the only real content we've seen this game so far.

My presence in those games is a non-relevant point of discussion, considering anyone can delve in the games you have played at any time. And if they do, they will certainly notice the same thing that I have notice, and will promptly join your wagon.

What made you think that our alt-condition is the one of a Lyncher? And what made you think that over the possibility of me being scum?

- Fireball.

You are pushing pretty hard on ARO for a meta tell you won't reveal. While I'm not saying you made up the tell, it does sound like something a lyncher would do.

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VOTE: fireball

Why do you think Fireball's actions are indicative of scum? After all, you admitted there is the possibility he is a town-aligned lyncher on your slot.

Oh trust me, dear. It exists. It's as clear as day. And the fact you insist about it for so long while trying to discredit my slot in particular, while having no discussion about the game in general, is very telling. It's also very amusing to see that you actually noticed your own tell as well. I know you have.

In fact, I invite all players here to do the same about your recent games. They can just have a cursory look and I can guarantee you that they will notice it as well.

- Fireball.

then what excuse do you have for not outing it?

exactly.

I wouldn't describe it as an excuse. Rather I would describe it as a way to show people your true alignment, without having to out the tell itself. Your reaction is quite invaluable to show to other players that you are scum, and the subconscious slip that you think I have a lyncher alt-con, rather than me simply being scum. This should be enough to prove your alignment to other town players.

- Fireball.

I don't consider the lyncher thing a slip. Maybe it is not the first reaction most people have to it, but it doesn't seem unreasonable in this sort of game.

At the same time fireball's push feels weird

I will admit that what I am doing is quite overkill, given a lot of players were already inclined to push ACO. Although, I would much rather ensure a lynch on scum today, it would not be the first time I see some wagons losing momentum without any rhyme or reason, especially an early day wagon. This is just insurance that we lynch scum today.

If you want to make sure you understand what I am referencing, I invite you to take a very quick look at Chennis' recent games, then look at this one. You will probably have a "oh!" moment, and vote with us and the 4 others on this wagon.

- Fireball.

Because wagons formed on day 1 of 14 are always so reliable.
Care to give which games we should be looking at in particular?

I like Elements so far this game.

Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Is it because he seems to be lurking heavily this game?

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Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Care to elaborate?

Not at this time.

i honestly dont think any one forming reads cases or wagons this early in this type of game is town,

Among other reasons, though, this is pretty bad.

Isn't cyrus still fairly new to mafia on this site? I think it's a reasonable stance coming from newb!town.

Why are you hunting alternate wincons rather than primary wincons, numbers?

-Chanel

Umm... I'm not? What gives you that impression?

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There aren't many stances to take so far in this game.

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About half of this thread is you and ARO going back and forth with each other. It drowns out all the other posts in the game.

So far, I have Elements and skitter30 as lean!town for making good observations/offering alternative viewpoints rather than just going through the flow. While ARO kinda looked bad towards the beginning of their interactions with you, they seem to be looking a lot better towards the end, and I find their stances seem fairly reasonable, so I'm going with nullish town for them. I'm also going with nullish-town for you because I don't really see any scum motivation for what you did, and your tell seems pretty reasonable even if I am not putting much stock into it.

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Nothing has struck me as townie from cyrus, so I suppose I could vote there; HOWEVER, I would like to give cyrus more time because as I said, he seems relatively new to the game and may be having a hard time with this particular game.

I'm not sure who we should be pushing right now. I think we need to encourage other people to post more. Maybe gobble; he hasn't really given me a town vibe from his posts, and he's definitely been around.
VOTE: Gobble

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Maybe gobble; he hasn't really given me a town vibe from his posts, and he's definitely been around.

Is there anything that strikes you as scummy from Gobble, or is it just the fact that you can't find a town vibe in all of his posts? If it's the latter, what's the difference between him and say, someone like Penguin, or Baezu Leaf?

- Fireball.

The insistence on wanting to know ARO's wincon/thinking they're lying sticks out some as possibly scum, but only ever so slightly. THe main difference between him and Penguin/Baezu Leaf is that gobble is actively participating in the thread whereas Penguin /Baezu Leaf aren't.

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I'll clarify a little - it's not

exactly

a lyncher as in they AUTO win when I'm dead but let's just say their life becomes a LOT EASIER with me dead.

Hmmmmm

Ok. Time for business turkey.

Angles and Fireball had a fairly one way death spiral. Angles spent most of the time saying that Fireball was wrong, but never calling them scum. It is then revealed that Angles believes Fireball to be a lyncher. After revealing this fact, Angles then votes Fireball. It is later asserted from Angles that they think the lyncher is most likely town because it wouldn't make sense for the lyncher to be mafia if they could just nightkill the person. Why would someone vote someone they strongly believe to be town based upon role information? Either they do not think that, or they are lying about the wincon. I can see in the heat of the moment Angles voting Fireball. I could very easily see that. But to vote them after speculating about Fireball being the lyncher and more than likely discussing among themselves that the lyncher is town? That is scummy to me.

When people are angry, logic like that tends to fly out the window. It seems like a reasonable enough progression to me.

The insistence on wanting to know ARO's wincon/thinking they're lying sticks out some as possibly scum, but only ever so slightly. THe main difference between him and Penguin/Baezu Leaf is that gobble is actively participating in the thread whereas Penguin /Baezu Leaf aren't.

So if I lurked, I would not be scumread? Good to know!

No, lurking just means I'll have to wait until I read you. If they keep up lurking, I'll interpret it as a possible scum delaying tactic.

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Why not @Elements?

The mod did say not many of us will win which implies mutually exclusive win conditions amongst us.

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Why do you think Fireball's actions are indicative of scum? After all, you admitted there is the possibility he is a town-aligned lyncher on your slot.

What is the point of asking this Numbers if you're just going to say that Angles course of action is reasonable?

It helps me understand your viewpoint better.

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Why not @Elements?

The mod did say not many of us will win which implies mutually exclusive win conditions amongst us.

It would cause conflict within town and give scum a big advantage massively tipping the game in their favour unless they also had directly conflicting wincons too which seems even more unlikely

Maybe so, but I feel like this game is role madness, and that will likely be to town's benefit.

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also skier seems scummy and realy gun hold for numbers and gun hold for lynching me . maybe her wincon is must lynch cyrus day 1

I don't think I get that impression from skitter???

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Why do you think Fireball's actions are indicative of scum? After all, you admitted there is the possibility he is a town-aligned lyncher on your slot.

What is the point of asking this Numbers if you're just going to say that Angles course of action is reasonable?

It helps me understand your viewpoint better.

How would you asking Angles a question help you understand my view point better?

Ah, I read your post without checking the context of my post. It helps me understand the perspective of the person making the post, regardless of my take.

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acute i hate the color thing ok its makeing the game harder to read

Do you have any reads? Anyone you think is town? Scum? Anything that pings you as scum?

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Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Care to elaborate?

Not at this time.

i honestly dont think any one forming reads cases or wagons this early in this type of game is town,

Among other reasons, though, this is pretty bad.

VOTE: Cyrus

Why does it take ~100 posts to vote cyrus if you think there is a ~90% chance they're scum?

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Moreso than cyrus at the time?

I mean, 90% indicates a very strong read.

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Don’t think I don’t see that strawman chainsaw tho

It isn't a straw man. You stated a very confident read, but you didn't vote until much later.

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I am slightly as I previously explained.

[123456789]

About half of this thread is you and ARO going back and forth with each other. It drowns out all the other posts in the game.

So far, I have Elements and skitter30 as lean!town for making good observations/offering alternative viewpoints rather than just going through the flow. While ARO kinda looked bad towards the beginning of their interactions with you, they seem to be looking a lot better towards the end, and I find their stances seem fairly reasonable, so I'm going with nullish town for them. I'm also going with nullish-town for you because I don't really see any scum motivation for what you did, and your tell seems pretty reasonable even if I am not putting much stock into it.

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So your town read still stands? Even after everything I’ve posted?

yep.

[123456789]

Like I feel I already addressed your point #1 in my catchup, so I don't see how your points would persuade me otherwise.$

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This is saying something because I love math.
VOTE: ARO

this pretty much is a textbook definition of posturing. u should kinda know the wagon on me is shit.

It’s RVS yall

It is? It sure didn't look like an RVS vote. Also see below:

A Boon vote is always a good vote.

Agreed
VOTE: 123456789

Most people don't make two RVS votes, at least not when they are that separated out. There must have been an additional reason you voted ARO aside from RVS.

I think DEB is probably town. I think Elements is town.

Why is EasyBake town?

This is saying something because I love math.
VOTE: ARO

this pretty much is a textbook definition of posturing. u should kinda know the wagon on me is shit.

It’s RVS yall

It's RVS? Thank goodness! I thought people were actively analysing who others scum read and who there are voting to find discrepancies and push them for reasons.
VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

All of D1 is RVS for me, you won’t catch me analyzing shit until tomorrow at least.

That's flat out not helpful in discerning your alignment.

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i am! i had a busy weekend!

who is scum?

Gobble and possibly Dr. Easy Bake.

[123456789]

That sounds like a pretty fast hammer.

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I'm 50% sure this will be a townflip given the speed of the hammer.

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I don't. I think we could do better elsewhere. Dr. Easy Bake esp. looks bad from that hammer.

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Meh, 50% is too low of odds. I'm thinking more like 70% actually.

Cyrus did a lot of stuff that looked bad, but he didn't do anything egregious. Combine that with a quick wagon formation and then a quickhammer. I think this was newb!town hammered by scum. The wagon itself may have been town-motivated, but the hammer was 100% a scum-motivated lolhammer.

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Even if this flips scum, I'm willing to bet my own life that Dr. Easy Bake is scum.

[123456789]

Sure!

[123456789]

Looks like no one died.

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VOTE: Dr. Easy Bake

Still scum.

[123456789]

Yeah, why would cyrus, as mafia, leak any info to you assuming you are town?

[123456789]

Considering that cyrus was scum, I doubt either Pine or Penguin are scum, but I'm not 100% ruling it out either.

That being said, I think all three pf their alternate win conditions deal with eliminating me.

[123456789]

Regardless of whether they are telling the truth, that doesn't automatically make me scum.

[123456789]

Should I full claim?

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Also @numbers I would like to hear the claim, if possible.

I believe this game is close to being solved anyway.

- Fireball.

Okay, I'm a Town Empress.

My alternate win condition is to survive to at least Day 4.
Because of my popularity, I start the game Super Loved (+2 votes to lynch). I asked the moderator, and he confirmed this ability works even in LyLo situations.

I'm also bulletproof as I can only be killed by lynch.

Due to my survivor win con, I strongly believe that the bandits share a win condition to eliminate me.

[123456789]

why?

[123456789]

it would be overpowered in scum's hands.

[123456789]

Why would I lie about that?

[123456789]

There are no third parties.

You may verify it if you must, and I will note that the modifier does have a condition associated with it that I'm not comfortable revealing for the time being.

[123456789]

That sounds super OP in ANYONE’s hands. Parts of it at least are probably false

PE: Because getting a +2 to lynch person lynched is ridiculously hard under any circumstances. You’d claim it to fend off attempts. Straight Loved I could see, +2 AND bulletproof AND all you have to do is survive is lolbalance

Third party at best, but probably flailing scum

surviving isn't as easy as it seems when there appears to be three players with a lyncher win con on me.

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I counted 4 votes on me so far. I'm only self-voting at 6 votes.
pedit: it may not be able to hammer --> See the wiki page for priest

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That sounds super OP in ANYONE’s hands. Parts of it at least are probably false

PE: Because getting a +2 to lynch person lynched is ridiculously hard under any circumstances. You’d claim it to fend off attempts. Straight Loved I could see, +2 AND bulletproof AND all you have to do is survive is lolbalance

Third party at best, but probably flailing scum

surviving isn't as easy as it seems when there appears to be three players with a lyncher win con on me.

That is not my wincon

You’re just scum

Self-vote if you have the guts to do so

I'm not letting you two lolhammer me just for the sake of your win conditions.

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I will self-vote when I reach 6 votes and then promptly unvote to prevent a lolhammer. We don't need to confirm I'm super loved do we? Confirming I'm at least loved should be enough, yes?

[123456789]

that puts me at risk of being lolhammered by Penguin or Pine

[123456789]

Fine. I'm still voting last though.

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I would also like to precise this is the second time a "someone is after me" argument is being invoked. So I think that either ACO or numbers can be lying about it.

- Fireball.

I have just reason to suspect them to be lynchers--my win condition is to survive.

[123456789]

5 by my quick count, but a VC would be nice.

[123456789]

Unofficial

Votecount:

Dr. Easy Bake (1) - 123456789 (492)
123456789 (6) - Pine (506), Elements (531), Channel Fireball (566), Skygazer (569), PenguinPower (583), skitter30 (609)

12 alive, 7 to lynch.

[123456789]

I already said I'd do it at 7, did I not? (Originally I said 6, but y'all indicated you wanted to fully verify my super loved status. Regardless, I said I'd be the last to vote.)

[123456789]

VOTE: 123456789

[123456789]

UNVOTE:

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That was probably just you Elements.

You said you were JK'd by Penguin, right? I don't think that's anywhere near a guilty on me.

[123456789]

It said "Day 4 or endgame" to be specific.

[123456789]

Anyone for a DEB wagon?

Yep!
VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

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why is deb scum here as opposed to just being deb? as of p17

people who've played with him before does PP normally play like this?

TRing skitt but again that basically means nothing in terms of figuring out her alignment. I like that she was on Cyrus and had the same reaction to baezu that I did tho

Ftr, I've never played with DEB before. I still think that lolhammer was bad, regardless of how cyrus flipped.

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gobble and deb are scum. Possibly Menlaque.

Channel, please stop self-voting. I think both you and ARO are town.

[123456789]

also, I claimed bulletproof, not bodyguard.

[123456789]

So - we can test 123456789 then lynch CF then.

This is bad. Why do we suddenly want to lynch Channel?

It's not a win. I refuse to play a game where I lose by default. It's insulting. I might as well ask to get modkilled instead.

- Fireball.

Let's not do that.

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But it reads more as frustrated town than anything...
Also, the mod did say at the beginning that not many of us will win. That implies some wincons are mutually exclusive.

pedit: If you are gonna test it, make sure to do it this way.

[123456789]

*day not way

[123456789]

I am at 6 right?

If Channel votes me for a sec, I can prove my claim.

[123456789]

VOTE: 123456789

[123456789]

UNVOTE:

[123456789]

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

[123456789]

are we serious?

[123456789]

how are you both a jk and a doublevoter?

[123456789]

pine is a jk? Also a secret doublevoter? Really? This game is 100% lolbalance.

[123456789]

I promise you, I'm not scum. You are mistaken.

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I mean why would lynch ARO if he was IC that seems like definitely not the move when we have more than likely scum Numbers?

If I had to wager a guess, Skitter needs Numbers alive to win her alt win con

You keep saying I am scum, but you haven't really elaborated on why that is. Penguin at least has done so, and looks better for it. This looks like someone just going with the flow, which is scummy because it indicates you aren't putting in the work to form your OWN reads.

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To be fair, Numbers alt win con and ability sounds so geared towards his win con and could very easily be equated to a scum governor. The fact that my win con is neigh unattainable and my ability literally useless makes me think he is more likely scum because of it

Well Numbers isn’t scum hunting that’s for damn sure. Deb Gob scum read? Seriously? Low hanging fruit right there. Everyone playing like a 3P survivor but forgetting they need the town to win for their alt win con to even matter. People playing very short sighted imo

@Numbers

Still think I don’t have any original reasons or scumhunting? As if i needed another reason, Pine and PP have claimed an all but guilty on you. I really don’t need my own reasons... but i do so... yeah

Also, why are you only concerned about my vote on you? Your scum read on me came at a time when everyone and their grandma was casting suspicion in my direction and you were going with the flow with that read. That Deb read and vote is also just super lazy considering it’s Deb

Somehow I forgot about those posts, my apologies. That said, I've been scumreading you from day 1, so don't act like I came up with it all of a sudden because that is provably false. And again, I don't have meta on DEB, so I have to base my read there based on their play this game. That lolhammer was bad alongside their second "RVS" vote Day 1 that I'm fairly confident the slot is scum.

Numbers at L-2

Just reminding you that flipped scum Cyrus tried to trade info on Numbers for his altwincon

Let's suppose cyrus and I are mafia together. Wouldn't he be bound by the primary win condition of the mafia having to win the game first and foremost? How would trading me for his alt wincon help him if the mafia ultimately end up losing? (Being down a person because your scumbuddy ratted you out isn't going to help mafia achieve their goal. It will actively hurt it.)

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I dunno. I think ARO's claim makes more sense.

@Penguin --> My point still stands. The mafia have to win in order for him to win. Getting rid of his buddy just for his alt wincon isn't gonna increase his win chances, presuming we are both scum (which we aren't).

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ARO’s wincon seems really easy too. Must be nice

It doesn't sound that easy when they have to 1v1 with another player....

Seems it's been used. What are the conditions?

Non-mafia targeting me for a "vigshot"

So you’ve achieved your alt win con already?

Because CF targeted you for a vig kill

This was clearly the bulletproof condition.

town:

me, elements, skitt, pine, PP, baezu leaf, gobble

so I think I'm happy to lynch anywhere in the others, I'm not sure who I think is scummiest atm

I agree on like all of these except gobble. (Pine and Penguin are likely town due to cyrus.)

Why do we know numbers is scum?

It's obviously bandit propaganda.

[123456789]

That seems like a fair enough compromise. Maybe I'm wrong on you.
VOTE: Channel Firebird

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Could the solve be as simple as just all the bandits are scum?

I doubt it tbh. I think they're town despite their outrageousness.

@skitter i don't have any bp-like qualities

hmmmm
so why is aro bp against vig shots? i feel like your roles are meant to be symmetric?

do you reads btw ?

It's very possible ARO faked it. Why? I have no idea.

Wouldn’t it be funny if even though a faction won, no one satisfied their alt wincon.

It would be unfortunate actually.

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Numbers, do you have the crown jewels?

My role PM doesn't explicitly state anything about a crown jewel, but from a flavor standpoint, it makes sense.

Lynch numbers - If town we lynch Pine
- If scum lynch CF

Lynch Pine - If Sum we lynch PP - presumably game
- If town PP is now immortal IC

That's 2 days so 4 deaths, worst case scenario numbers and pine are both town in which case we have an immortal IC in a 6v2 situation.

But then I would lose regardless..... I would willingly offer myself up on Day 4 when I had achieved my alternate win con, but no sooner.

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My Super Loved becomes Loved then normal for each day that I reach the normal lynching threshold.

Even if a vig shoots town once, worst case scenario is we arrive at 7 players day 4 with me being scum and the other scum. Assuming neither my scumbuddy and me refuse to vote myself, that means y'all have the needed 5 votes to lynch me then.

[123456789]

Let's stick to gobble's plan. We lynch Channel today then one of {Sky, ARO} tomorrow. Y'all can then lynch me on Day 4.

pedit: No I did not. ARO did.

[123456789]

My Super Loved becomes Loved then normal for each day that I reach the normal lynching threshold.

Even if a vig shoots town once, worst case scenario is we arrive at 7 players day 4 with me being scum and the other scum. Assuming neither my scumbuddy and me refuse to vote myself, that means y'all have the needed 5 votes to lynch me then.

It requires everyone that is town aligned day 4 in the worst case scenario, but yes.

[123456789]

someone remind me why I"m being lynched again....

[123456789]

Yes, it takes at least one game day...

[123456789]

now again, why MUST I be lynched now rather than later?

[123456789]

But I'm not scum. You still haven't proven that definitively.

[123456789]

Even if I am scum, you can just wait to lynch me Day 4 and hunt for my buddy rn.

[123456789]

But I'm not scum. You still haven't proven that definitively.

Uhh...this is a game of mafia. I could say I have a cop guilty and not prove it definitely.

You are scum according to your buddy...we've been through all this so I won't rehash.

A cop guilty is much more trustworthy than the WIFOM of a supposed scumbuddy.

[123456789]

UNVOTE:

[123456789]

UNVOTE:

[123456789]

VOTE: Channel Firebird

[123456789]

deb is already voting me....

[123456789]

LOL. I bet Numbers self hammers to stop Pine

That would be against my win condition, so no, I wouldn't.

[123456789]

*sigh* couldn't even get a chance to win. *sigh*

Good luck town!

[123456789]

i'm sorry what was that

[123456789]

sorry but i was never getting

either wincon

and im salty

nah, i dont think it's valid considering im town.

Hmmm.....

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So Numbers was scum. Huh

No I wasn't.

ARO is just spouting out nonsense because they have given up on the game.