Mini 2096: I Don't Remember the Name of This Game

[Karnage]

Ayyy!

VOTE: the fonz

[Karnage]

Mastina, guess it’s lucky you’re lynchproof today

[Karnage]

Mastina has randomly been chosen to be lynchproof today! You can not vote her out of the plane.

[Karnage]

roster how do we know you good? where were you last night do you remember . because i can only remember my name .

I did wake up in a strange bed this morning...

So you’re not in the office with the president?

So you’re not on Air Force One with the president?

[Karnage]

When we reach the point for a lynch anybody who does not say “Get off my plane!” when they hammer should be modkilled

[Karnage]

You make such a compelling case

[Karnage]

I assumed grey voted because of the sheeping comment but now I’m guessing I missed someting

[Karnage]

they probably don't know either lol

[Karnage]

VOTE: Baezu

This is fine for now.

Why?

[Karnage]

Not so much for baezu but because I don’t know why they voted

GreyIce voted without reason though I’m guessing it’s because baezu would sheep you

You vote baezu without a reason but your IC so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The uzi votes without giving a reason

I would just like to know what baezu said that I missed

[Karnage]

Meh, assuming that is the reason, I don't see the big deal. The role PM wasn't explicit that you were in a plane, and tbh.....I generally skim the flavor so I could see missing it if I was Baezu(those he does seem to acknowledge he knew he was in a plan, so maybe don't listen to me!).

agreed

[Karnage]

i dont trust the doc though

Why not?

[Karnage]

VOTE: GreyICE

still hasn't explained the Baezu vote and now he's voting cyrus and again hasn't said why

[Karnage]

When we reach the point for a lynch anybody who does not say “Get off my plane!” when they hammer should be modkilled

Thanks, now I want to go watch that movie again. 100% agree, btw.

Given my current lack of strong reads on anyone, I'm gonna
VOTE: Cyrus52
for reasons I can not discuss.

@Mod: Warning in advance I will be V/LA (0 access) next weekend (Aug 23-25) for my sister's wedding.

this sounds fake i want to know why. as i stated i was on a busted pc.

i think this is why?

Please refrain from discussing ongoing games.

[Karnage]

carry on then

[Karnage]

I low-key feel that Mastina wins if she gets night-killed.

Then let’s just lynch her D2?

[Karnage]

Then find your second top candidate

Exactly Menalque...

Assume Mastina is town (which I believe she is) who else is scum?

Why would a townie claim 3p with an unknown win con?

[Karnage]

And of the mislynch bait, I townread Baezu in spite of the scummy content. I scumread Menalque, you, and Karnage and have a backup scumread in the form of cyrus.
Thus my readslist.

The difference between you and I is that there is at least

a chance

that I'm town despite your scum read on me while you are 100% not town.

Third party gambit would be dumb if she's out and out scum and I don't see the point wasting discussion on this.

easy peasy day 2 policy lynch

[Karnage]

no one sees rosters attempts at dogging questions, from me? on giving reads saids he has to wait till page 50?

i dont know that its a big deal right now. Outside of the obvious (gamma/elements/mastina) I don't have any strong reads yet

[Karnage]

scum reads are
roster

gracy
lil

yes going have to switch roster for doctor i think my vote is well placed

roster is now town to me

Cyrus, what about this post...

Hello Doctor Drew!

Nice to see you again.

... moved roster to a town read for you?

UNVOTE:

[Karnage]

I like LUV's vote

[Karnage]

doctor drew told me to look in to roster so i did and i see roster doing nothing for town . hes doing nothing for town hes just acting like he is doing something for town.

ok. i see 142

[Karnage]

@drdrew, your scum read on cyrus is primarily due to a meta read or am i missing something?

[Karnage]

VOTE: Menalque

calls out LUV as scum in 285 which in itself is fine but waits until 337 to actually vote. this is AFTER Fonz and Gamma voted LUV. Had plenty of opportunity to discuss/vote LUV in 288+314+336 but makes zero mention of him.

Feel like this is scum trying to look townie but not willing to stick his neck out and start an actual wagon. Instead, he points out something scummy, lets others make the case/vote, then joins the wagon. The "Also if I didn’t do it already" looks like he's trying to make his vote retroactive, like it should have already been in place.

[Karnage]

I find it no coincidence that two players who previously didn't bat an eye at me. AFTER I expressed a scumread on them. Suddenly are advocating that I should be lynched and my reads ignored. In fact, I am pretty sure that there's even a scumtell named for this tendency. What could it POSSIBLY be?

Not saying your reads should be ignored but I do think you should be lynched at some point. If our roles were reversed, would you want to keep a 3p with an unknown win condition around until endgame?

[Karnage]

I count 4 votes on menalque

[Karnage]

Official Vote Count

Menalque

(5): mastina, GreyICE, rosterfoster, Menalque, Karnage

Lil Uzi Vert

(2): The Fonz, Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

(2): Jackal711, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew

(1): Baezu

rosterfoster

(1): cyrus62

Jackal711

(1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-08-28 23:37:49)
Jackal711 has requested replacement.

@mod, i think menalque is voting LUV

[Karnage]

If/when Menalque gets to L-1, would there be any point to asking for a claim? don't we (town) all have the same role PM?

[Karnage]

You want to get off the menalque wagon because of who else is on it. I get that, I guess.

But you are reaching out to gamma, who is in total IDGAF mode for guidance? What is that about?

[Karnage]

lets see. what alignment do you think gamma is, karnage?

Just because he is IC doesn’t mean he isn’t mailing it in right now

[Karnage]

Geez why so angry?

No I don’t really care about LUV. I don’t think there was anything wrong with his vote either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Serious question: Do you think I’m scum?

[Karnage]

Would you have to ask gamma if it’s ok first?

[Karnage]

Sorry now I’m just be antagonistic. I just couldn’t help myself

[Karnage]

No I don’t really care about LUV. I don’t think there was anything wrong with his vote either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

His unvote was weak though

[Karnage]

394 was meant as a joke

[Karnage]

there is however a deeper meaning there
if youre town, how do you plan to get the help of the town to get a scumlynch through? or do you plan to rely on scum helping you lynch?

- do you want to join wagons with other town players on targets you feel deserving?
- do you want to push wagons and get other townies to join you?
- do you want to become so universally recognized as a high quality player that you're a trend setter and people give weight to your words with no effort on your part?

the last one is what everyone wants and almost no one gets. so if that's hopeless, pick one of the above two.
if you're scum, keep on keeping on

I join/start wagons of/on the people I think are scum and I'll take whoever wants to go with me. I'm not opposed to scum helping lynching scum.

[Karnage]

The "Also if I didn’t do it already" looks like he's trying to make his vote retroactive, like it should have already been in place.

This kind of pinged my scumdar when I first saw it, but I thought I was being a bit loco.

What is it about Karnage for you?

If I had to guess he thinks I’m scum because of 80 and because I don’t recognize him as a high quality player that’s a trend setter and that people give weight to his words with no effort on his part

[Karnage]

Defensive? No
Offensive? Maybe

[Karnage]

Defensive? No
Offensive? Maybe

Maybe that's the wrong word but you seem extremely volatile and reactionary here

I wouldn’t agree with that choice of words either

[Karnage]

no, I expect to actually have time to go through the game and look for scum if y'all aren't dumb enough to hammer me in the meantime

... he said in his 59th post of the game

[Karnage]

GI makes a fair point

He makes a great point

[Karnage]

I mean. I am convinced that between Ksrnage/Drew/Menalque, there's at least one scum and probably is two.

If Menalque is scum, then either scum bussed or more likely there's scum elsewhere.
If Menalque is town, game's solved; scumteam is Drew+Karnage.

It's for that reason that I think that the lynch is the best: NOT ONLY is it incredibly likely a scum lynch, BUT ALSO, REGARDLESS of the flip, we get a shitload of valuable information.

"then either scum bussed or more likely there's scum elsewhere." way to go out on a limb lol

Do you KNOW there are only 2 scum or are you making an assumption based on the number of players in the game?

[Karnage]

@mastina, serious question: how has working with 3p player's worked out in general for you? does this generally lead to a town win or does it backfire on town? I don't have a lot of experience with 3p in games

[Karnage]

When I originally thought that this game started as a 12 player game, I thought that it was possible that there were three scum.

But then it was pointed out that the death of Elements wasn't just a flavor kill: Elements, flipped scum, signed up for this game as a player. Given that, there won't be three scum alive, since that'd have made the game be 4:1:8. 3:1:8, I can see as a setup; 4:1:8 I cannot.

So, technically speaking, no, I don't KNOW that there's only two groupscum, but it seems like the stupidly obvious conclusion to reach given what we know.

That makes sense, thanks

[Karnage]

I just had a thought, and may be way off with this, what if we all got the same role PM?

Seems a bit bastardy, but would fit in with the theme

pretty sure all townies got the same one

[Karnage]

I think we need a prod on the mod

[Karnage]

12 players - town!Gamma - 3p!Mastina - town!karnage - town!greyIce= 8 players

assuming 6 town slots 6/8=.75 or 75%

the math checks out

[Karnage]

I don’t think anybody can say for sure if the hero is a role or just flavor

[Karnage]

I’ll eat the day 1 lynch if it means I don’t have to suffer through Menalque rehashing the entire fucking game

[Karnage]

Both are fine lynches to me, but Melanque more so. LUV prefers to play scum so he's not too engaged when he's town (note: he's not disengaged to the point he gets prodded though, so I am not yet confident of his alignment, and I do like to brand him scum because his play is always scummy to me whether he is engaged or not).

Gun to my head I would say 1 scum in Lil Uzi Vert/roster/Fonz

What makes Melanque the better lynch when he's not even one of your top 3 scum candidates?

[Karnage]

Christ, we're going to get 3 pages of one line posts about what alignment people were in some other game because of the words "mislynch bait"

Fucking shoot me now

A LOT of your posts seem to be "fuck me, this is now happening". I don't like it.

I think he speaks for the majority of us

[Karnage]

Oops! Didn't mean to post that yet!

Anyway, Gamma is the same level as me to

me

, but to everyone else the mod only told them Gamma is town and he didn't confirm me, so that's why Gamma is a above me in my own read list.

I think Baezu is out of her scum range, and although I don't know Doctor Drew's scum meta this looks like town him.

Grey is poking and asking questions and generally speaking I sense he's being genuinely scum haunting.

Mastina is Mastina, but I may have let my other reads affect my read on her (I don't think she's scum with Menalque & or cyrus).

Karnage is somewhat playing similar to Grey, only with less effort. roster is roster but I can allow him some room here. Foz I only put him in the "more or less null" pack because Mastina TRs him hard.

Then come my main two suspects and LUV who I think I'm just comfortable calling him scum in every game for some reason.

Gun to my head I would say 1 scum in Lil Uzi Vert/roster/Fonz

FWIW these reads are trash

[Karnage]

Btw A50 just keeps getting better, I'm not lynching him today I think

so are you ignoring your own 567?

[Karnage]

Might as well respond to these at the same time. I don't really see what I said in 567 as a reason to SR A50. And I mean, he was distracted so he was posting with half a monkey brain (this is in fun jest)

well shit I guess we can all agree he's confirmed town then

[Karnage]

I'm just gonna let you know I have not felt inclined to agree with a single thing you've said, which probably spells bad things about you given my first impression of you as CopyKat in that newbie was positive, and I generally seem to have a good track record of early impression reads

I'm just gonna let you know that if you weren't mod confirmed as town you'd be at/near the bottom of a lot of read lists

[Karnage]

@Gamma: Please do look at the coloured parts of the 3 posts. Tell me this is isn't a "crumb". I'll put it to rest if you say it isn't.

I'll admit you've gotten my attention

[Karnage]

it's either a smoking gun or a red herring. No idea which yet but I'd be willing to test it with a Melanque lynch

[Karnage]

“Since you (townie) have lost your memories“

Versus

“They (terrorist) seem to have lost

at least some of

their memories as well.

I don’t know if this is an intentional distinction or not but it’s worth noting I guess.

[Karnage]

cyrus is at L-2. no?

[Karnage]

It's not that you voted your TR. It's that you were against that lynch until recently. It's that you "forgot" what reads you had in this game and how they progressed. I'd say it's more likely for someone to forget a made up read than to forget an actual genuine read.

are you sure he wasn't eating when typing? I've heard that can cause stuff like that

[Karnage]

Am I the only one waiting for somebody else to put cyrus at L-1 so they can hammer and say the line?

[Karnage]

goddammit

[Karnage]

VOTE: cyrus which I think is L-1

I'll let somebody else have the fun of hammering

[Karnage]

cyrus62 (5): Almost50, The Fonz, GreyICE, Gamma Emerald, Karnage

I was wrong, its L-2

[Karnage]

Also if he's scum, then Mastina is 90% likely to be scum gambiting.

I won't bore everybody with the complicated calculations but the math on this is spot on

[Karnage]

I was hoping to get to say "get off my plane" but nobody put cyrus to L-1

[Karnage]

"I said 'whoah, hold up, I've found some things'" isn't an accurate quote

you asked a question of cyrus but I didn't read anything as "we need to stop for a second and figure some things out"

Do you think we need to pause the cyrus wagon?

p-edit: I guess that answers my question

[Karnage]

Ok I can dig that

I still think he's likely scum but I'm interested in why you've changed your mind

[Karnage]

But when I said explain, Karnage, I wanted you to explain why you thought putting Cyrus to L-1 was a good town move when you hadn't really taken a position on him prior to that. What made you think he has to die?

Because I think there's a really strong chance he's scum.

I liked what Almost had to say about the "name" stuff and cyrus's posts the last couple of pages looks a lot like scum flailing.

Are we expecting people to ask permission before putting somebody at L-1 now?

[Karnage]

No counter claim? The whole f’n town are amnesiacs

[Karnage]

Isn’t that the whole theme? We are all amnesiacs because we’ve forgotten everything?

Excluding scum and 3p of course

[Karnage]

Yeah he’s full of shit

[Karnage]

That’s a lynch by my count

[Karnage]

When we reach the point for a lynch anybody who does not say “Get off my plane!” when they hammer should be modkilled

I like the cut of your jib.

And a mod kill for drdrew

[Karnage]

I'm curious to find out how we get back our memories

[Karnage]

So was I

would have liked to find how we got our powers back or whatever

[Karnage]

Did anybody that was amnesiac "remember" a power or anything to use N1?