Mini Theme 2103 - E Bastard

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Hey
VOTE: Korina to revive her

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Hm
I am tempted to put him to L-1 but I don't have faith that this pl won't just lolhammer

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You've played with both town/scum cyrus?
I see he has experience so I am kinda hmpf on why he is reacting the way he is on a bunch of rvs votes. Is it something typical for cyrus or?

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Anyway I was skimming a game a month ago or so and I saw the very same thing with the Korina death N0 and it turned out the player was scum and wasn't actually dead but comes back on D2 or something like that. Gotta go back and dig that game up to see if my memory is correct but I think there will be a high chance of a sxumKorina if she "magically" comes back.

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I've seen scum cyrus, he tends to point out his voters as scum pretty early on, and the majority of them, and asks the vote to come off. Here it's slightly different from that so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

So basically he OMGUS'es as scum?
If so, it's different yea.
Still a very meh reaction but not lynch worthy imo.

@shos lets not risk lollynching poor cyrus like that and give him some breathing space, yes?

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80608 is the game I was talking about
Thing is not only is it a very odd game setup-wise it also got abandoned lol so the flips didn't get revealed properly.
D1 mod opened the game with:

Elements is dead! He was scum.

And when the game got abandoned one of the scum posted him role PM and in it Elements was listed as one of the buddies. Elements himself didn't post him role pm so idk if he was supposed to come back or not so I might not be right here.
I mean I wasn't following the game closely so I might be mistaken here but I just noticed that cyrus was scum in that game so maybe he can tell us more? @cyrus

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08/14/2021

Hello

cyrus62

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You wake up slowly, feeling only the cold metal around your wrists. You're handcuffed to a chair, and find yourself struggling to see. You know that your should be scared, panicked even, but the only thought in your mind is how comfortable your seat is.

As you try and stand, you realize that you are handcuffed to the chair. Comfortable, but a prison nonetheless. There are other people in this room, but you only recognize one of them. The President.

The President! Walter Sinclair himself is standing in front of you all. You smirk as he begins to speak of horrible crimes. They are your crimes. After the Hong Kong protests, the United States acquired Hong Kong as a territory, similar to Puerto Rico. You, a loyalist to the People's Republic of China, were able to secure yourself a position in the Sinclair administration once he won the 2020 election.

You formed a plan.

Elements

, a comrade of yours, released a toxin that was to wipe the entire cabinet's memories during a meeting on Air Force One. Then, you would be able to manipulate the United States from behind the scenes.

However, now that you are awake, you realize that the plan has backfired. You were only able to get your gas mask partially on, and have only retained some of your memories.

Elements, the only other communist who you remember, has been shot dead by secret service agents.

As the President continues to speak, a plan begins to formulate in your head.

You know that every night, you will have to kill someone. You will also want to talk to your comrades whenever you can (daytalk) but can only do so if you regain your memories.

You know who you are. You know why you are here. Now you just need to think about everyone else.

You are a

Partially-Amnesiac communist

Oof
Just saw that cyrus had posted his role pm and it doesn't explain much about Elements so maybe he doesn't know.

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So you think those posts come from scum?

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plus if you iso doctor and rce wasnt a rvs vote.

Hm I read those and I don't see how they are serious either. Why do you think so?

Spoiler:

I've seen scum cyrus, he tends to point out his voters as scum pretty early on, and the majority of them, and asks the vote to come off. Here it's slightly different from that so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

So basically he OMGUS'es as scum?
If so, it's different yea.
Still a very meh reaction but not lynch worthy imo.

@shos lets not risk lollynching poor cyrus like that and give him some breathing space, yes?

all i was saying was its very odd that i racked up 4 votes very quickly.

No, I changed my vote. For no reason.

so you just randomly changed your vote for no reason. but waited for doctor to cast a vote and jumped on the biggest wagon with no reason to do so?

Hey Cyrus.
You have 2000+ posts so you have some amount of completed games under your belt.
Have you really never seen a person getting wagoned during RVS? You are reacting as if its something unusual or as if people seriously want you dead which is obviously not the case here.

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Eh
Not sure that whoever that vote belongs to is going to come forward and claim it
And even if someone claims it we can't really take his claim at face value, so best to leave it as it is and let it resolve by itself which will happen sooner or later

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Huh? What is it exactly that you disagree with on what I've said

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Somehow I feel like this game is making me a little insane :@

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Uhhhh
Is there a chance of drew being jester?

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Somehow I feel like this game is making me a little insane :@

What is in this game exactly is making you go insane, friend?

Whatnot
The whole feel of this game is just

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In a nutshell, every night I am alive some one randomly(I have no say in the matter) is recruited into a cult. This happens the first two nights, and maybe the third. Also I cannot be one of the recruits.

Is that like... all lol?
Don't you have any positive aspects to this role? Do you not have any more information about the cult?
Idk its like a very odd role to have if town tbf.

In a nutshell, every night I am alive some one randomly(I have no say in the matter) is recruited into a cult. This happens the first two nights, and maybe the third. Also I cannot be one of the recruits.

sounds like we have to find cult before it spreads so .. my vote on doctor was random i think its time i unvote till i can find scum UNVOTE: doctor drew

That is just bad
Compare it to 129 from RCE and tell me which one is the adequate townie reaction here

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Reading through now,

and with the role that was claimed, things are looking interesting as it is.

A cult where no one knows who gets recruited, and chances are there's a whole lot more. At this point, I just wanna no-lynch and see what happens in the game night, but I don't know if that goes against my win condition or not.

UNVOTE:

Assuming you are town
And assuming you believe Drew's claim from the bolded
How is no-lynching and giving the cult a chance to recruit a sane town move?

Actually, since this is a Bastard Game, it's safe to say that we have no idea on what the threat even is, or if there even is a threat.

I'll gladly do this if it means we get a chance to let some chaos unfold during the night. After chaos reigns, we can begin to make sense of it.

VOTE: No Lynch

And I will not lynch today. I want there to be chaos.

Ok a wild, not-so-wild proposal
PM and Cyrus are the cultists
They want Drew to recruit someone for them
This is the only way I can explain those reactions

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Also. Cyrus is super town.

Cyrus had appropriate town reactions during the RVS votes thing
I can hardly call his recent posting town.
So why do you think so?

Anyway Vorkuta/cyrus seem to be the incarnations of madness this game with PM jumping in and out of their spectacle. A lynch on those 3 would be quite good.
And add drew to the mix if we are actually going for the right mechanical play.

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Nomnom is cool(and sane fortunately)
RCE seems cool. I have some meta on him even though I need more time for it to fully kick in, what he is showing now I like.

What are you two's thoughts on Drew's claim?

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N0 Jan hmm.

I think Korina comes back at some point. Or he could have a dead vote. But ultimately, it's probably some kind of cultist plot.

Korina and a cult? You don't say.

First two posts regarding cult

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So
Does 1 cult whatever and 1 cult recruiter who is town make sense?

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I mean
Its not totally unbelievable
I just have some really hard time seeing Drew as town here with such a role

Pedit: @Shos Drew claimed to be a town cult recruiter with every night that he is alive, a random townie getting recruited to a cult due to his role

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no because there isn't a single member of the cult faction until drew begins his recruiting rite @RCE??? /s

And you know this because?

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The imputs from vorkuta make me puke a little in my mouth
E=Extremely(Bastard)
I am betting on jester or something else too.

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Eitherway, it makes sense to look into the people who are all like "HANG HIM" without even taking a second to think about what other factions he could be when making this claim (*ahem* RCE, cyrus...)

Cyrus basically said don't hang him and unvoted?

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Also idk
How is hang him a bad response to someone claiming a role that is actively hurting town?

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In a nutshell, every night I am alive some one randomly(I have no say in the matter) is recruited into a cult. This happens the first two nights, and maybe the third. Also I cannot be one of the recruits.

sounds like we have to find cult before it spreads so .. my vote on doctor was random i think its time i unvote till i can find scum UNVOTE: doctor drew

>I need to find cult before it spreads
>Drew claims cult spreading ability
>Unvotes Drew

Yes,vorkuta?

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Thing is how does RCE not accounting for Drew being a jester make RCE scum? From all I know if Drew gets lynched he wins solo so its not really scumindicative rathet than dumbindicative what RCE is doing

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Cyrus is not even unvoting due to "jester" reasons, he's unvoting for.... "cult hunting" reasons,

Vorkuta your not making any sense
Cyrus is unvoting the claimed cult rectuiter for cult hunting reasons
How is that better or even in any way comparable to RCE voting Drew for his cult recruiter claim

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I think the discussion to be had here is
Should Drew be lynched today?
Yes/No
This should be considered first before we try going for anything else here
Vorkuta you go first

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It is heavily implied there already are cult members, or at least one cult member already.

Cool
Cyrus is cult
Drew is their recruiter
Hence why Cyrus is reacting so strange to that claim and is happy to die in the place of Drew
Yw

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Eh I don't follow what you are saying
RCE has uncoted Drew so he isn't really pushing Drew anymore
His vig threats are something I see every game from at least one other player

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->drew: unvotes without a clear reason without realizing that this is literally "whack-a-mole" and where BEST CASE SCENARIO one cultist falls another will rise and WORST CASE SCENARIO we miss and the cultist tumor grows

Not following
Whatever this was supposed to mean, it makes little sense
Your arguments on RCEscum are not exactly good either
What about your position on Drew?

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I feel like I'm talking to a wall
My arguments/words seem to just drown there somewhere

Gonna just wait for the others to reply

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I've rephrased my points and used different words to describe the same point like 50 times, yet you're the one displeased?
seems fair

Hey
If you are selling bad arguments for something, no matter how many times you rephrase said arguments, they will still be bad arguments and I will still be displeased

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No

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Hey nom, please read my imput from the last 2 pages, it explains my take on the cult thing so that I won't have to type it again
Thing is Drew might not be scum but still have a role that is actively hurting town hence why we should decide what we do with him today

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@Drew any feelings as to who might be the living cult here?

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Just ask the mod

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Thing is how does RCE not accounting for Drew being a jester make RCE scum? From all I know if Drew gets lynched he wins solo so its not really scumindicative rathet than dumbindicative what RCE is doing

I don't actually have a problem if drew is jester. It's still non town and not the worst lynch.

A mislynch is a mislynch.

In drew's case, not really

now that i have cught up i will state why i unvoted nom pointed ouit my fear but i will go deeper. what if doctor is jester and lying and we kill him and the recult dose get another cult meber
this would make 3 cults then unless we find the person making cults is killed then we will always be out number. we are taking chance voting doctor.

now here is the wired part doctor and i go back to my 1st game and his i honestly think the way hes playing is good for town but what if hes just cult trying to deflect from the guy making more cult.

i only said kill me to make sure some other random town doesn't die due to me not know who is who i rather me a non power role die then a town pr.

i want to know whats with ?? voting game play and us being told its town voting game play any one want to know why ?? is voting game play besides me

Tldr: Don't rope Drew because reasons, I am cult
Isn't it like obvious atp lol?

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Honestly Drew is the only logical and mechanically right lynch today.
I was worried that he might be jester and thus was going to propose a cyrus lynch just to prove that a cult exists since he is giving some strong cult vibes
But Drew's recent posting just seems as genuinely coming from town

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VOTE: Drew

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Selective

What does this stand for ?

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And @nonmon even if drew is town his "mislynch" equals to 2 or 3 scum lynches since we are essentially stopping him from recruiting town to cult

There is just one thing bothering me: What is the purpose of this role? Like if Drew is town and he really is this role, the correct play would be to claim D1 and get lynched. So either the mod has to hope that to role lands on someone who feels like creating chaos ( like PM) or he has just knowingly distributed a role that basically restricts the player to playing only on D1.
Both scenarios are pretty meh tbh

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Not sure.

Coupled with the fact it said that not everyone can be recruited, I took it even though I won't know who is recruited it isn't completely random.

Like there is an actual reasoning to who is recruited.

Ok just some questions
You are sure the recruit turns the recruitee to a third party cult?
You are sure you won't know who gets recruited?
If not just ask mod

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Or it's a false role.

I mean
It could be because of what I said previous post that this role makes little sense
But again this is extremely bastard so it could be exactly what he is claiming and the mod just betting on town being paranoid to leave the slot
Idk
The question is is it worth keeping Drew around under the presumption that he has a fake role while potentially getting townies converted every night?
To this I think the answer is no.

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Cool

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What

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Prod dodge
Will read up later

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I still haven't read up, HELP
Tho Drew is a good vote

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The same reasons as yesterday

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Honestly Drew is the only logical and mechanically right lynch today.
I was worried that he might be jester and thus was going to propose a cyrus lynch just to prove that a cult exists since he is giving some strong cult vibes
But Drew's recent posting just seems as genuinely coming from town

So drew is correct lynch, but you also think it's genuinly town?

can we pressure the dude that says Drew is obviously town and wants to lynch there without questions asked?

That's just LAMIST af

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Ok I did a really lazy skim of those 10+ pages I missed
VOTE: Drew
I still see no reason for us not to get this out of the way first.
If this flips town, Icon is probably scum for the cheap attempt at earning towncred yesterday off the Drew slot and the flimsy switch of vote to him today
If it flips anything cult related, I still stand by my cyruscult theory
Also the guy pushing Drew's lynch yesterday the hardest is now dead
Literally the best lynch in terms of info and mechanics for today

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So how does this make drew any less of the right lynch?

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Even if we lynch scum today, drew still recruits tonight so nothing really is achieved
And we are purposely letting a cult recruiter live for idk what reasons
Like, what?

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Its just borderline absurd that drew is still alive with what he has claimed
And people seem to believe that he is town which in return would mean that they believe his claim and then what's going on rn really makes no sense

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Sorry for complaining but its a no-brainer that Drew should die and I would rather save my effort for solving after his flip rather than arguing why Drew is the best lynch today

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Cyrus I would like to hear your reasoning as to why we shouldn't lynch Drew

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?

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So why is drew jester nom?

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I read Drew's iso, nothing stands out
Give me quotes

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No?

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I mean if you are going to be like this, then sure, I'm just vote parking Drew.
I've said why he has to die, instead of screaming "UNVOTE DREW", actually show me why I should do so

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Idk why people took this as a hardclaim or any claim even
But again, Icon was the one to do that so its understandable

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Wait guys that wasn’t a hardclaim that I had mech info on Drew being jester

I’m just insane

Are you for real?

So you were seriously going to fight me over Drew because of what chemist wrote lol?
Now again, why is Drew jester/not good for a lynch

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So it crossed your mind that chemist could be cult fakeclaiming but you still kept on hardcalling for people to unvote drew?
Cool
Now again, why is he not a good lynch. I expect to get at least something here

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Still waiting for a sensible argument on why Drew is any short of a great lynch. Unless someone actually gives something, Drew is dying today and if it comes to it I will carry that lynch myself as to avoid whatever happened yesterday.
You can shit on me all you like for forcing the lynch and I already know that scum would make some cheap shots at certain players tomorrow off the Drew flip but literally everything is better than leaving Drew fk the gamestate beyond a point of no return.
So one last call: Anyone against the Drew lynch who is not basing that decision on feelings/gut/etc but on logic/mechanics/etc, now is the time to come forward.

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Also @Drew giving a readslist won't be a bad idea

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Why are we in LyLo?

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Hmm wait might be
But since its most likely 2 factions its not true lylo
Cyrus is like 90% cult but killing faction is what we should lynch today