Mini 599: Rwandan Genocide - Game Over

[roffman]

vote: SleepyPanda

i like panda meat

[roffman]

quick question, when ppl say scum in this game, who exactly are we referring to? i mean the 2 ppl with possible nightkills don't know who else is on their side, the people who know each other have no abilities, and the survivor just wants to survive.

I really don't think the standard monikers of scum or town really apply to this game and i personally think a whole new attitude beyond the reliance on power roles or NK's for information is going to be needed.

[roffman]

but if they hit, we're screwed. Especially if they take out one of the ralliers night 1.

[roffman]

the ralliers don't have to shoot. they just both decide to activate their abilities, and if they both do it, someone gets informed

[roffman]

just wondering, do u think it is possible for the same tutsi to be revealed twice?

[roffman]

i think the current plan is no lynch today, 2 ralliers rally. tommorow person reveals. tutsi will counter reveal, lynch one, general kill the other, rally again, 2 more ppl die, everyone claims, we are left with potentially 8/7 alive depending on whether scum utilises kill, 2 scum left alive, after that it should be more or less easy, especially if no scum claim town power roles, just need to slaughter everyone who claimed vanilla townie. all agreed,

vote no lynch

[roffman]

Right. They both rally tomorrow after a NL, then both rally the next night after a NL or lynch of the revealed Tutsi, then we mass claim. We assure both investigations on top of the claim.

ok, but you realize we will probably only get one reveal after this. the Tutsi leader will use his ability one of the nights.

even if tutsi uses ability, it is only a 20% chance of it hitting the ralliers, and if it does and only one person claims, then either tutsi is being silent or throwing red herrings, either way we kill both the claimer and the target

[roffman]

absolute worst case scenario after this is 1 tutsi dead, 1 general dead, 1 other townie dead, and 9 alive. given that we still have 3 lynches to hit a tutsi before we lose.

[roffman]

oh, and unless we kill the leader, only 2 tutsi will know who eachother are

[roffman]

No, worst case is a little bit worse then that, but still good.

what's the worst case then?

[roffman]

no, i think mine is worse. once the rallies are used, those roles are useless. however, if the general is still alive, we can just no lynch and let him kill people, guaranteed that we lowering the chances of hitting town.

[roffman]

oh yeah, misread it. thought it meant once the game actually started, not one shot. either way, i'd still like the general alive at that point over a rallier

[roffman]

true. however, it is a moot point atm, and i think we should wait a bit and let everyone have their 2 cents and then vote no lynch. Personally, i think the game is pretty much cracked, as 6 townies Vs 3 scum in a nightless game isn't the most difficult proposition.

[roffman]

poor tutsi general, missed completely. So who got who revealed?

[roffman]

there is also the fact that the revealed hutsi could be the general, making role blocking a moot point

[roffman]

i think the person who got the result should reveal. There are just to many varaibles that make it ideal. Consider the lynching of the patriotic leader, the fact that the same tutsi could be revealed, and the fact that if we don't tutsi could each claim to have 2 ppl revealed to them, leaving us massively confused over who to lynch next

[roffman]

because if they hit either of the ralliers, or the person who got info revealed, hutsi is screwed

[roffman]

the thing is, if we lynch wrong, we just don't rally that night as we then know who the tutsi is. we lynch him next day, then go ahead with the plan. and remember to factor in that the leader might be the one getting lynched

[roffman]

It doesn't matter if leader gets lynched or not. Once he uses his commands, he's the same as a normal Tutsi, just that he has no friends.

but if he gets lynched now, he can't use his RB command

[roffman]

no result here

[roffman]

i might not have enough to check this for the next few days so

vote no lynch

so the game doesn't get held up

[roffman]

it's looking probable

[roffman]

doesn't make one bit of difference, even if no-one gets revealed tonight, town wins unless survivor is a jerk

[roffman]

i've thought it through. even with no investigation, town needs to miss twice, then the survivor needs to side with scum for town to lose

[roffman]

i'm UNAMIR.

if we all mass claim, the four extra roles can systematically lynch everyone else, starting with voodoo for a town win. if voodoo is town, then we lynch sleepy. either way, all we need to do is hit one scum in the next three lynches for town to win. also, if there are any dual claims on the extra roles, if we lynch both we're guaranteed to hit one scum, so the remaining three roles still have the advantage, with the general's NK breaking the stalemate if it is 3 vs 3 or 4 vs 4

[roffman]

btw, no one lynch voodoo until everyone has had a chance to claim

[roffman]

i'm satisfied unless someone counterclaims one of the four roles.

vote voodoo

[roffman]

ok then,

unvote vote voodo

[roffman]

i propose that if voodo comes up tutsi, we just lynch the non-power roles in alphabetical order, as it would gives us the best chance and fastest chance of success. If he comes up hutsi, we all get a meal of panda meat.

[roffman]

alphabetical would give a more or less random distribution, plus ppl wouldn't have a chance to sway ppl with arguments. since if voodo is tutsi, hutsi has more or less won, this would just make the game go quicker.

[roffman]

how about we lynch by rereading voodo and not randomly?

no

[roffman]

vote grimmy

and still waiting on role claims

[roffman]

no matter what he claims, he is still going to die. If he comes up as one of the four main roles, we just lynch the person who had already claimed it. It is really that simple.

[roffman]

come on people, get on the grimmy wagon. It's good for the soul.

[roffman]

we can lynch them tomorrow, there corpses will claim for them.

[roffman]

one more. if u are reading this

vote grimmy

[roffman]

vote: natirasha

it is fair and a certain win if we proceed alphabetically

[roffman]

meh, don't care. either works for me.

unvote vote:zu_faul

[roffman]

vote pickemgenius

alos, what he ^ said

[roffman]

u forgot to vote

[roffman]

it's just a shame the game was broken by mass claim. it looked very interesting if it was balanced properly.

[roffman]

only chance the tutsi's actually had was nailing the general and then getting 3 miss lynches in a row, plus getting the survivor to decide to support them. they were pretty much screwed when there where 4 individual pro-town roles.