But scum having to decide who is less scummy or a bigger threat gives us more info. We would be making their job easier. Maybe I'm getting too paranoid and you're right about not prolonging it, but for me more info is always betterIn post 3185, Ame wrote:@Pink I see what you mean, but aren't we sort of just in the eliminate all the scummy players part of the game? I don't think it's necessary to prolong it. A kill decided by town is definitely better than a kill decided by scum because scum isn't going to kill scummy players only towny players.
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You have yet to explain how is someone trying to frame Ali if scum!Ali wouldn't kill Raya. Makes no senseIn post 3186, Raven Branwen wrote:
Right, that was the plan, so this looks really bad for TSE because Raya has been pretty good about her gifting and I have a great deal of difficulty believing she didn’t stick to the plan’In post 3183, Pink Ball wrote:If I bard someone, they can perform two actions the next night. Was part of the plan to bard Raya so he could accelerate TSE and gift XP to Ame so Raven could voyeur one of them
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This is an interesting idea. Maybe scum can gift their XP to one of their partners? In that case, we could have a buffed up remaining scum who doesn't have to train to make kills, and the lack of kills during N2 was because of Creature's roleIn post 3190, Titus wrote:
What if scum have a way to gain extra EXP?In post 3184, Raven Branwen wrote:I was sure it had to be ABR but he claimed 5 XP, so scum shouldn’t have so much XP.-
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Like, you're coming to the opposite conclusion based on the information you're giving lol I don't think scum!Ali would kill Raya, so it doesn't look like a frame to me
p-edit how is the Ali wagon based on Raya being NK'd??? They were all naked votes! And one of them from TSE who is clearly following what Ame is doing!
I already said why I think Raya was nightkilled: he would become conftown if someone else died because Raya's actions would be confirmed by Ame, TSE and you, so he couldn't be the one making a nightkill-
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Raven I'm asking you, I'm not saying anything about what the remaining scum is thinking. And I'm not saying your theory is farfetched, I'm saying it doesn't make senseIn post 3201, Raven Branwen wrote:
You’re assuming the last scum thought this through to that extent. Why is there a wagon on Ali if my theory is so farfetched?In post 3199, Pink Ball wrote:In oder words: if a kill would make sense coming from scum!Ali but Ali is town, then scum could make that kill to make it look like scum!Ali made it, thus, a frame. But if a kill WOULDN'T make sense coming from scum!Ali, then it's not a frame-
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I'm fine with being the lynch today 'cause I can't vengekill anyone so scum will be forced to take decisions. I actually think it's the right path if I'm eventually be a mislynch to make it today rather than later.
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First of, because of how Farkset died. Ame hasn't fully claimed so we don't really know how they died. We know it was because of Ame, but not how. Scum can't really know that either, so I think they're paranoid about him and that's why they haven't killed him, 'cause there's a chance Farkset targeted Ame on N1 and they think that Ame treestumps scum as a passive.In post 3366, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Why do you think you were town? Can you explain all your townreads?In post 3362, Pink Ball wrote:The bummer is that I think I'm very obviously town by mechanics and play, but both ABR and Ame are town and chill, so they should win this
I barded Ame right after Farkset died 'cause I didn't think of this until later; Ame never told not to bard him so that's why I'm assuming that Ame is not a PGO (in this case treestumping instead of killing). My point is, I lack the information that scum could have, 'cause if I had it, I would've not barded Ame right away because of paranoia.
I also happened to get Knight lynched. It doesn't matter if he was obvscum or not (I don't think that's true), but I was the main factor into derailing Alisae's lynch and making Knight the lynch during that day. I'm more of the philosophy of having as much scum members alive to win together rather than bussing unless completely necessary as scum, and in this case I don't think it was really needed. I could've just shut up and follow louder voices.
I followed last day's plan by barding Raya, which I think is what got him killed and that's good for having a better PoE. If I were scum, I would've killed Raya but not barded him, why would I use one of my shots on him when I can restrain it for a better purpose? Also, I did two night actions last night: bard Raya (confirmed) and train, leaving me with 1 XP. If you want to, I can bard today and leave me without XP; if there's a nightkill, then I become conftown.
Basically, my play is pretty much solid town, and the paranoia towards my slot is rather unreasonable. From Ame I get it, 'cause he could feel pocketed and because of a wrong PoE, but from you it feels like you went for the "you guys suck, I know who the remaining scum is... and you won't believe who they are, but I'm so good I caught them!!" road and it matches with your personality. What I mean is, you want me to be scum to be the only one who realized this, instead of going for the obvious path that is me being town.-
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'Cause I haven't given enough attention to this game so I'm not as invested as in other games, and because we're 7v1 right now and my lynch secures that it stays 5v1 next day instead of 4v1.In post 3382, Raven Branwen wrote:In post 3361, Pink Ball wrote:I'm fine with being the lynch today 'cause I can't vengekill anyone so scum will be forced to take decisions. I actually think it's the right path if I'm eventually be a mislynch to make it today rather than later.
I still have one bard shot and I can use it now, I don't know if it would go through but it should. Who should I bard?
Aren’t you usually more upset about being mislynched? Why are you so chill about this?In post 3362, Pink Ball wrote:The bummer is that I think I'm very obviously town by mechanics and play, but both ABR and Ame are town and chill, so they should win this
You clearly don't know me. I would be invested as fuck on winning this if I were the remaining scum. I love being scum and when the game's hard, even betterIn post 3384, Albert B. Rampage wrote:PB has given up its 7v1. Not worth fighting hard every day for weeks and weeks only to lose in the end.-
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Barding is giving my target the chance to perform twice during the next night: they can use their ability and train at the same time, for example. The upgrade gives me the chance to perform twice when I bard someone too. Takes me 1XP to bard, so I've trained twice when barded Ame and Raya, I think that's what how my role was supposed to be played. And of course, try not to bard scum 'cause I give them the chance to perform a kill and train at the same time.In post 3419, Albert B. Rampage wrote:That's convincing, but what does barding do?
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In post 3420, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Raven, does PB deserve all the credit for knightmares lynch?
Before I said this, Raya was the main wagon of that day, and Raven immediately voted after I said that, making Knight the next viable wagon, tying both wagons.In post 1758, Pink Ball wrote:Well I didn't want to say it back on D1 because I wasn't willing to make a 1v1 against mastina but...
mastina said this because she knows I know what scum!mastina does different from town!mastina, and I was giving her time to start doing what town!mastina does, but she never did and she left the game before she could do it, so yes, it's very likely we're dealing with a scum!mastina slot. I haven't read anything coming from Knight, but I'm willing to get rid of that slot rather than Raya.In post 622, mastina wrote:
Actually.In post 361, Farkset wrote:@Pine, i think you are the authority here when talking about mastina, is that AI for her?
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Night 2 and 3, I upgraded during D2.In post 3427, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Which nights did you bard/train?In post 3424, Pink Ball wrote:
Barding is giving my target the chance to perform twice during the next night: they can use their ability and train at the same time, for example. The upgrade gives me the chance to perform twice when I bard someone too. Takes me 1XP to bard, so I've trained twice when barded Ame and Raya, I think that's what how my role was supposed to be played. And of course, try not to bard scum 'cause I give them the chance to perform a kill and train at the same time.In post 3419, Albert B. Rampage wrote:That's convincing, but what does barding do?
Whats your upgraded abilities?
Because Ame was conftown and I thought he would treestump twice during the next night. You can see my disappointment at the start of the next day when everyone was alive. And Raya because it was part of the plan, and that plan would make Raya conftown if he remained alive. Problem is that we lynched our protective role.In post 3428, Albert B. Rampage wrote:and why did you do it?-
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Either scumhunting or overly reacting at someone scumreading her. Two easy and recognizable traits from town!mastina. But she never started scumhunting, she just was here, talking about anything else rather than her own reads. Never got the chance to react to her wagon 'cause she already repped out at that point, but the other missing town traits was good enough.In post 3429, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
What were you waiting on mastina to do?In post 3426, Pink Ball wrote:In post 3420, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Raven, does PB deserve all the credit for knightmares lynch?
Before I said this, Raya was the main wagon of that day, and Raven immediately voted after I said that, making Knight the next viable wagon, tying both wagons.In post 1758, Pink Ball wrote:Well I didn't want to say it back on D1 because I wasn't willing to make a 1v1 against mastina but...
mastina said this because she knows I know what scum!mastina does different from town!mastina, and I was giving her time to start doing what town!mastina does, but she never did and she left the game before she could do it, so yes, it's very likely we're dealing with a scum!mastina slot. I haven't read anything coming from Knight, but I'm willing to get rid of that slot rather than Raya.In post 622, mastina wrote:
Actually.In post 361, Farkset wrote:@Pine, i think you are the authority here when talking about mastina, is that AI for her?
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Night 1, trained. Started D2 with 3 XP (I started with 1, 1 from training and 1 from FoC's death). I upgraded immediately and barded Ame, leaving me with 0 XP (upgrade took 2, barding took 1), but since I upgraded I could train during the night too. So started D3 with 1 XP, barded Raya, 0 XP, trained, 1 XP. And here I am once again asking for your financial support.In post 3431, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
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Yeah of course it's possible. I haven't said I'm town for barding Ame from that perspective, I think it's NAI. Unless Ame's reads at that point of the game were so wrong that I felt confident enough to think he would vig wrongly twice. I don't remember how his reads looked at that point of the game. I know he vigged right once, 1 out of 1 at that point.In post 3433, Albert B. Rampage wrote:i dont think ames ability is reactive. Maybe you are scum and wanted Ame to vig town twice? Its certainly possible. Did you start with 1 xp? Why didnt you use it n1?
I didn't bard during N1 because I had no strong townreads and barding scum, as I said earlier, would've been really bad 'cause I could give them the chance to use their roles and shoot at the same time, or train and shoot.
The kind of player who has a good enough reputation as scum that they don't need to effort too much at the begining of the game. Like Flavor Leaf. There's paranoia, sure, but paranoia tends to help scum rather than lynch them.In post 3434, Albert B. Rampage wrote:what kind of shit scum doesnt at least pretend to scumhunt? This sounds so contrived.-
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In post 3042, Pink Ball wrote:Creature (3): Ame, ABR, Raya
ABR (3): TSE, Titus, NK15
Raya (1): Alisae
NK15 (1): PB
Not voting (2): Creature, Raven
Takes 6 to lynch. 1 hours and 45 minutes
I didn't agree with Creature's lynch. We had less than 2 hours and it was the only viable lynch at that point because we didn't have enough people to vote ABR at that momentIn post 3047, Pink Ball wrote:I'll change to creature if needed but I'd rather do this-
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In post 3308, Professor Moriarty wrote:I obviously can't publicly answer about you specifically. But upgrades may be made during the day, provided you have enough XP; you'll learn your upgraded role at the end of the phase.-
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Creature wasn't obvtown. Raven you're calling out someone because you were right about a townread at the same time you're having second thoughts on someone who treestumped scum.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't be paranoid about everything, that's part of the game. But that's the point: it's part of the game. You can't act like someone being wrong when you're right is so fucking atrocious when being paranoid is part of the game.
Ame is being really respectful with how he's playing and he's really trying, so how about working together instead of blaming him for a mislynch?-
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My analogy is towards the point "don't get pissed because someone is wrong when you're right. Get pissed when someone is being an asshole". Ame hasn't been an asshole. Nothing else, nothing more.In post 3614, Raven Branwen wrote:
Having doubt/= driving a mislynch. I didn’t even vote for Ame. I was legit in shock that he wasn’t actually confitown like I had previously thought. I’m of course willing to work together with my trs and Ame is still one. What I’m waiting for is proof of NK15 cancelling his upgrade and proving that he actually has 4 XP, which he should if he’s telling the truth about his claim.In post 3610, Raven Branwen wrote:
We obviously aren’t going to see eye to eye on this. I unvoted ABR and Ame drove a mislynch on a read I considered obvtown. And when I checked the thread it was too late. The mod would have given us an extension but not cancel the flip. I respect your viewpoint but I also have mine and I have a right to view it differently. You’re of course free to condemn for having a different pov than you but that doesn’t change my mind on that. Re: Ame. I honestly thought he was confitown. I had no idea that scum could actually kill a buddy but Occams razor still points to Ame being town, so your analogy fails to take that into account.In post 3608, Pink Ball wrote:Creature wasn't obvtown. Raven you're calling out someone because you were right about a townread at the same time you're having second thoughts on someone who treestumped scum.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't be paranoid about everything, that's part of the game. But that's the point: it's part of the game. You can't act like someone being wrong when you're right is so fucking atrocious when being paranoid is part of the game.
Ame is being really respectful with how he's playing and he's really trying, so how about working together instead of blaming him for a mislynch?
What I will do however is apologize for and redact is my blacklist threat. That was a way overreaction but I was seriously pissed enough to consider replacing out once I saw the flip but then I thought better of it.
And PB, you’re definitely wrong about Creature not being obvtown. 1) Farkset/Mastina dissociatives. 2) LC was super townie. 3) Creature’s role claim. 4) Creature’s posting - especially the post where he said he refused to lynch Ali, me or Raya. You can even add Titus’ VCA into that. Like seriously, how many reasons do you need?
And I don't agree with Creature being obvtown, that's an opinion, I can't be wrong. Again, not because you were right on his alignment means Creature was absolutely obvtown and everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. Ex ante and ex post. Yes, now that we know he flipped town, we can say "hm yeah that was pretty stupid, he was very townie because of all of this reasons", but when you don't KNOW his alignment, you get paranoid and think "no that's NAI" or "that looked suspicious". You're leaving out the context of the situation.
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For what is worth, I don't think you've crossed any lines.
Let's move on!
While diverting crazy theories is part of this game, at this point the remaining scum has to cling to whatever they can make up to get the required amount of mislynches they need to win. Even if Ali was the one who brought up the possibility of Ame being the remaining scum, I think NK15 going for it is a desperate call of "I'll do whatever it takes".
I don't know about NK15's reluctancy about cancelling the upgrade, like where does that come from... But NK15 was my main concern yesterday and that hasn't changed.
I'm right here now:
{Ame, Raven}
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I'm fine with lynching any of the bottom three, but mechanically speaking, I'd rather go for NK15 so he doesn't get to vengekill if the game continues.-
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The second part I agree and I'm into it. The first part is what didn't add up 'cause they could tell the truth about their XP and lie about their role. Or lie about "I didn't train last night", or well many possibilitiesIn post 3638, Not Known 15 wrote:
The mafia nightkill costs 1 xp. Night 3 kill was done by the remaining scum.In post 3635, Pink Ball wrote:I'm not understanding this plan. What if scum is telling the truth about their remaining XP?
Plus, even if they didnt lie because they got xp from another source - we are doing this mainly to NOT vengekill someone today because that messes up the numbers and costs us a lynch later on, AND a vengekill.-
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I don't have arguments to the contrary, I said I didn't understand why did you think it was a frame, and then I understood and I agreed with you lolIn post 3775, Raven Branwen wrote:
0. I decided to watch Titus and no one targeted her, I was debating between Ame and Titus but since despite PB’s arguments to the contrary, I still think Ali was likely framed for Raya kill, so I thought scum might target Titus and possibly frame another slot. Obviously, since Ame was the target, I assume due to her tracking ability. Scum apparently doesn’t have a roleblock which is good.In post 3773, Pink Ball wrote:Could y'all claim your XP right now?-
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And you didn't train?In post 3776, Titus wrote:
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In post 2217, Pink Ball wrote:Role Name: Town Bard
Abilities and Cost: twice during the game I may target a player and at the begining of the next night, that player may use an aditional action. Costs 1 XP to do that. My upgraded role is that I get one more shot, and I get barded myself
Actions during each phase: Trained first night, barded Ame and trained second night
Anything else relevant: No.
XP
Starting XP (from your role PM): 1 (note it doesn't give my starting XP in my role PM, they just told me I had 1 in the day 1 start PM)
XP at the end of D1: 1
XP at the end of Quest 1: 1
XP at the end of N1: 2
XP at the end of D2: 1
XP at the end of N2: 1
Current XP: 1
XP needed to upgrade: 2
Have you upgraded (yes/no): Yes
If yes, during which phase: Night 2
Summary: started with 1 XP, got one more from training N1, got one more from FoC's dying, I upgraded during D2 so back to 1 XP, barded Ame which leaves me with 0 XP, but since I got barded myself I could train and I got 1 XP and that's where I am now so I can bard again tonight and train again and so and so until I'm out of shots. Game will probably end before my shots so I think I played the role as was intended.-
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How many times do I have to say that I didn't discredit your theory for you to actually read what I'm saying?????In post 3808, Raven Branwen wrote:
If not you, PB, who is the last scum? Ali claimed to intend to upgrade on N2 iirc and on D3, eagerly and quite aggressively pushed for the Quest mechanic, so eir lack of XP N3 would be presumably accounted for and like I said, unless you argue that Ame is somehow lying about being targeted - unlikely -, you barding her doesn’t get you town points. If Ame had not been targeted, then yes you’d probably be clear.In post 3796, Pink Ball wrote:Ugh... Are you serious
ABR and TSE were at home. The night before, it was Titus, he cleared. I know I’m town and my validated XP claim confirms it, so I don’t see how it isn’t you.
And, your claim that your role makes you exempt from the no train + additional action, cannot be substantiated by the mod.
So, why couldn’t scum!you claim train on the night that Ame was targeted? But yeah, I thought your discredit of my theory was really weird, because how in what world would leashed Raya have remotely be confitown with a no kill? You counter argument made no sense logically and and you seemed to be so certain that my Ali frame theory had to be wrong, eventhough when I opened the thread, there were already votes on Ali.
The stayed at home could be because scum didn't kill last night and hoped to get a false clear as far as I know. Beats me.
Just lynch me already, I don't want to play with Raven anymore
p-edit: please lynch me dude, Ame, get me lynched. We have enough clears to win this without me.-
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This is why I'm asking for everyone's XP, 'cause the players who upgraded could have not enough XP to perform a kill and had to train last nightIn post 3813, Titus wrote:
Ali = AmeIn post 3812, Titus wrote:Being home last night is only an alibi if Ali was targeted. Y'all are going to assume that's true. I think that's an assumption that Ame is making because no one died.-
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TSE you trust me right? Could you vote for me please?In post 3815, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:If I don’t train tonight, I’m going to punch myself in the face.-
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