Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

[TrueSoulEnergy]

To clear up confusion I made a diagram.

Are you the one on the right middle?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I've thought about the strategy to this game today and it is optimal play for town is to just hand the chain to whoever they are confident is town and is least likely to get a chain from someone else.

The person who holds the most power is the 2nd last person to hold the chain since they choose who dies,

if we get a pool of 3 people, 2 scum and 1 town 33% of the time scum lives, same odds occur if we get a pool of 2 town 1 scum

since 66% of the time we have a 50% shot of hitting scum. So getting a whole bunch of scum at the end of our pool hardly helps us win. And letting town control who dies is incredibly valuable.

We also want a somewhat random town player being 2nd last so we shouldn't just select a "2nd last town" to make the kill, we want a fluid game state that allows for people to have free will especially in the early game since information is more valuable then actually hitting scum day 1 and 2. You can't solve a lot of players without letting them make hard hitting choices and by just shoving choices down their throat we can't ever get a solid read.

Good Work!
A for Effort!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

hi everyone
looking forward to a good game

Sucks to be you.
This won’t be.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

*clap*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can I be the one who decides who lives and who dies and one of the two remaining players be Sir Cakez so I can let him die and be conftown for letting scum die?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I shall post like this, this game for fun.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

^Fake FoS

nope. You sir have my first ping of the game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Shouldn't we be controlling who that second-to-last person is?
Because if scum is third-to-last, controlling it means they don't get a chance to save a buddy, when that is a position where scum is highly likely to select a buddy.

You mean scum shows there hand so we can lynch them day 2! Sweet!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

FoS Count

Dunnstral (1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

pedit: I can't hear you over the sound of my stupid FoS counter :^)

Can we have 2 fos per player? Please?

fos:albert

@raya: i think this will be a good plan, i can see a few hiccups but i thinks its best to scum hunt. Get town vibes, the normal stuff with some fos. Keep an eye on deadline so we do have a lynch and make sure whom ever is the deciding player isnt MIA to make that final choice.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nah spring is going to hand me the chain in their opening post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

[TrueSoulEnergy]

mod: Are we voting on who is part of the quiz? If so is it a simple vote quiz player name is bold thing you want?

The Chain leader will purpose a team and you will be voting to approve or decline said team. If the team is approved that will be the quiz team. If it is declined a new team must be made.

You were supposed to read about that to confirm your role.
Unless your mafia.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m unsure on Farside Tbh.
Think they are scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m unsure on Farside Tbh.
Think they are scum.

are you unsure or do you think farside is scum? this post says two different things

I feel less confident Farside is Town then anyone else.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

[TrueSoulEnergy]

bruh, I need to work on getting townread easier. Why TR TSE? His posting has been weird and I don't think the images are particularly towny.

Well even I can admit that the images in no way are alignment indicative.
But other then the images what’s your overall opinion?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Of course the 1 afk guy is the chainleader

Isn't that always how it goes?

Starbuck and Dunn are never wolf with Unwnd.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Show me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your entire ISO is full of shade.
Think that’s some kind of OMGUS?
Then look at it yourself lol.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

In case your unaware,
Shade = Throw Doubt
Dish
Blame
Make things look bad
Etc.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh btw if your scum better move your little butt outta my direction and start puppeting me now.
You have a better chance puppeting me then going balls deep into me.
Because if you end up getting the tunnel and dying, you’ll understand why you NEVER fuck with Town!TSE when your scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don’t just catch Scum right handed.
I torcher them and make them slowly feel pain one step at a time.
And I psychotically laugh to myself because I witness a bad guy suffering.

Yeah let’s just say it’s not beneficial for players to target me unless it’s good actual timing.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like I’ll admit.
If you had a case on me or you quote something of mine you didn’t like.
I’ll accept that.
It makes sense.
But just straight out Shade.
Yeah you don’t wanna play that game with me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like if you felt I was being disrespectful here, my apologies.
But just don’t do that please. Thanks.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

VOTE: Pink Ball

Let's just play as normal.

VOTE: Pink Ball

Why Pink Ball?

RVS

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Like, everyone had to clap to confirm their role, right?

Why are so many people acting like they have no clue what the

main mechanic

of the setup is?

Scum Didn’t. So the team is ABR, unwnd and Farside GG

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m not.
I was just really irritated yesterday by poor scum play.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Or at least I believe it to be

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you think unwnd is poor scum, then shouldn't you have been happy cuz you caught scum. I agree that the outburst was pretty weird.

Again, I just think scum should play better then that as that play overall is garbage.
If they are Town, they need to step it up and not be Anti-Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

But that play comes from Scum way more then it comes from Town.
In the slight chance they are Town I hope they explain themselves and provide more Point Posts (Cases, Reasoning, Etc) Rather then shade going forward.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

But you don't seem to be pushing Unwnd? You sound very confident he's scum but you're not doing anything with that

With the mechanic of this game I don’t need to push them RN.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Plus I don’t want to push them RN period because I want more actual point posts out of them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE tell me 2 people you'd hand the chain to and why?

pedit: midway you can play this game as well if you want.

Pink Ball

I feel as if they might be a mislynch target normally and I think they are having a feud with ABR I’m not entirely sure on that. I trust their posts enough to save them for today to make sure someone scummy gets lynched over Pink Ball.

Reya

Usually my plan was just to choose Pink Ball but assuming Pink Ball is already chosen then I’d choose Reya.
They have shown some Townie posts and good contribution. While other players haven’t been really doing that.


The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’d like Unwnd and Farside to be in Final 2 to choose.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’d like ABR to be chosen when there is only 4 to choose from and if he chooses Unwnd or Farside I’d lynch the other.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ah, my bad then.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

bruh, I need to work on getting townread easier. Why TR TSE? His posting has been weird and I don't think the images are particularly towny.

See this Unwnd!
This is an actual thought.
Point Post.

This is what I want to see from you.

I want to keep midwaybear over Unwnd RN.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like I agree with Modwaybear here.
The Images I post in no way are ever alignment indicative.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

It depends on the order of the chain IMO.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

It depends on the order of the chain IMO.

Ok so let's say you were close to the start of the chain and bee or Dunn didnt have the chain. Would you give it to them then?

Assuming Morning gives it to me.
My plan would be to give it to Pink Ball and get them to choose Dunn or Bee.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm a bit wary of TSE and unwnd, but I'm not confident in anything yet.

Do you feel it’s TvS, TvT or SvS?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I though Unwnd seemed town

I’d completely disagree.
What makes you read them as Town?
Their posts are just shade. That’s it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m not.
I was just really irritated yesterday by poor scum play.

What does this mean?

Scum should be sick not a prick.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

It’s like whom would you rather win?
A scum who calls a bunch of people’s posts bad with little to no reasoning and barley does anything else Town productive
Or
A scum who fits into town and does Townie things giving actual solid thoughts with explanations behind it.

I know which one I’d rather win.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be shading everyone and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE tell me 2 people you'd hand the chain to and why?

pedit: midway you can play this game as well if you want.

Pink Ball

I feel as if they might be a mislynch target normally and I think they are having a feud with ABR I’m not entirely sure on that. I trust their posts enough to save them for today to make sure someone scummy gets lynched over Pink Ball.

Reya

Usually my plan was just to choose Pink Ball but assuming Pink Ball is already chosen then I’d choose Reya.
They have shown some Townie posts and good contribution. While other players haven’t been really doing that.


The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I actually town read Reya more then Dunnstral, to the extent where when I commit to my pact I wanted Dunnstral to be the end of our 3 man chain so I could see what he does with it.

Ok.
So I suppose while your Town read Dunn are also sceptical of his slot with the possibility of him Power Wolfing?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

It depends on the order of the chain IMO.

Ok so let's say you were close to the start of the chain and bee or Dunn didnt have the chain. Would you give it to them then?

Assuming Morning gives it to me.
My plan would be to give it to Pink Ball and get them to choose Dunn or Bee.

Why does Morning have to give it to you?

Where did I say they “have” to give it to me?
I said assuming they do.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

It depends on the order of the chain IMO.

Ok so let's say you were close to the start of the chain and bee or Dunn didnt have the chain. Would you give it to them then?

Assuming Morning gives it to me.
My plan would be to give it to Pink Ball and get them to choose Dunn or Bee.

Why does Morning have to give it to you?

Where did I say they “have” to give it to me?
I said assuming they do.

Ok better question then, why are you assuming that

Because If we assume that I have a confident answer for you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be

shading everyone

and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

Lol please never let this guy live anymore than two phases

Have you not read your posts?
We should never let

YOU

live anymore then two phases.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

Isn't anyone who posts in this thread trying to solve or generate thoughts or figure shit out

It's just a matter of determining who is

pretending

to do that as scum lol

“Pretending”
And what exactly do you consider that to look like compared to someone who isn’t “pretending”.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're

weird and talk too much

, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

Yes because talking too much is scum indicative.
Spoiler Alert!

Spoiler:

It’s not

Look IDC if you don’t like me. It’s irrelevant towards the game.
And OFC I’m going to engage with you, I’m trying to figure out your slot.
Your still Scum IMO.
Also, everyone has their own playstyles. I’m sick and tired of people treating it as something else.
Playstyles aren’t ever Alignment Indicative. Playstyles are the way people’s personalities are.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
It’s the way they go about it, the motivation behind what they do, how they approach it that determines someone’s alignment.
Not Playstyle.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're

weird and talk too much

, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

Yes because talking too much is scum indicative.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
/quote]

I strongly disagree with you, but we'd just be going into semantics if I talked further on it. The point that should be made here is: what are you getting out of all this? Did you just come at me with some half-hearted read expecting me to buckle or something?

Strong disagree with me?
And you wonder why you lose games as Town because you end up mislynching players.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Your mislynching them because you can’t comprehend the difference between Playstyle and Scum Tell.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Middle Ground

This is a person in the Null zone that isn’t really getting recognized as an important player.
Like not town nor Scum.
Not entirely Null but rather someone they are like “there there but they aren’t a concern”
As usually those players are scum.
Sometimes these players are Lean Town with no attention towards them whatsoever, so my suggestion is get these people the attention they should have.

Playstyle

Playstyles are never alignment indicative.
Never consider it as such.
Some Playstyles are naturally bad and as a result people tend to scum read that when they honestly shouldn’t.

Strong Playstyles

Just because someone has a Strong Playstyle you should never just instantly Town read them. If they are Town scum however are usually likely to do that. But keep in mind Players with strong Playstyles are able to play Townie as either alignment. So he careful.

Misguided Town

Pretty much it’s where Town is pushing town.
And you got to realize the difference between it.
This applies to a town pushing you as well.
You got to figure out where there alignment is from and you got to understand that you aren’t always right

Shade

Most of the time scum will shade a post.
Usually call a post bad or “I don’t like this” or some form of saying the post is bad.
That in itself isn’t always scummy but if they have no or have a lack of explanation towards their shade then it’s usually a scum tell.

Safe Vote

Scum will usually join a wagon that makes it so they don’t get any blame to them when the wagon is a mislynch.
Usually wagons like these are ones where there are Bad Playstyle Players, Players that made a mistake and Town are stupidly not seeing it, etc. get mislynched.
It’s a free getaway.
Alternatively it’s allowing them to join a free mislynch and it’s easy to spot if you look closely.

Interactions

When people interact with each other it can be used to determine others alignments as 2 or more players are going back and fourth allowing yourself to get a better read on those players to help determine their alignments

Pure or Forced?

Look at a post and look and see if it seemed honest and/or logical or if it felt forced like it shouldn’t have been said/didn’t feel right.

Pocket

Scum will sometimes pocket people if they believe doing so can allow others to be mislynched and they just have to keep you alive. So watch out for a potential pocket and an easy way to figure it out is to do a Scum/Town Tell Check and see if their actually town reading you as Town or scum just trying to use you.

Scum Telling.

To tell who’s scum it’s best to look at each player’s Motivation, Actions, Usage of context, Tone, How they do approach things and how they respond, etc.
There are many different types of Tells but these are stuff you look at.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Here’s a guide to actually win games as Town ^

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

In no way have I rolled scum.
Why exactly do you think that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think you just convince yourself everything you say has to be true because you want others to consider you an authority over them

Lol this is Shade 101.

No, In no way do I want others to consider me an “authority”
I just want to put scum in their place. The Dead Chat.

I don’t convince myself everything I say

Has

or be true.
Because I know I’m not always right and I can be wrong.
It takes a real player however to realize if it’s misguided Town pushing you or if your being the misguided Town as well as other factors
I say these things not because “I’m saying it for the sake of saying it” but rather I've experienced multiple beyond multiple of FM Games and I know how scum think.
Unlike some people my reads have been proven to be reliable.

Heck, since you seem to think I’m so “full of myself”
Check this game out where I nailed the entire scum team.
Town won because of me.
Click This for the Game.

In case your unaware, I’m Seththeking.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nice I made a spelling error.
It takes a real person to realize if a misguided Town is pushing you/you pushing them which makes you misguided Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I suggest you read the interactions between me and Orange and me and Banana in that game.
They trying to make me look like a fool but in reality I made them look like one.
I caught both of them and it was funny.
Like you’ll have to see it to know what I mean but they would have gotten away with it and probably won if it wasn’t for me.
That game was priceless.
I got Nightkilled despite me only being a Neighborizor lol.
I also solved the game with Banana, Orange and GKB.
Didn’t know Darth was the last mafia but they were in my PoE and would have never ever made it to LYLO/MYLO.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nice I made a spelling error.
It takes a real person to realize if a misguided Town is pushing you/you pushing them which makes you misguided Town.

What am i supposed to get out of this? Are you telling me i should think you're misguided town?

I love how you purposely choose that LMAO.
Either you didn’t pay that much attention or scum trying to throw as much shade as possible towards me.
That was just correcting my last post and you actually take it like it’s a brand new statement LMFAO.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So here you are tooting your own horn and telling me im wrong for thinking poorly of you

Look.
IDC if you think poorly of me.
I don’t view you as Town and you clearly don’t view me as Town.
My goal is to find scum.
Thus I’m doing so.

And Yes, in the sense you are Misguided Town if your Town because I’m Town.

Also I’ll tell you this.
Sometimes Misguided Town will never view the slot as Town.
In that sense it’s bad for the game state and hurts Town.

So my conclusion is we try and focus are attention elsewhere and address questions to each other based on other players in the game rather then us as individuals.
Plus if you are Town I’ll be able to tell by interaction.
But RN if I had to give you a percentage on how much I think your scum, I’d do a solid 90% based on your scum tell.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why is it every dissenting opinion towards you a form of shade instead of merely an observation? And why does me making that observation make me scum just because im supposed to think you're town?

I don’t think it was an Observation unless I read it wrong as Shade means “calling a Post Bad or not liking it”
I could have interrupted it wrong and shading isn’t always scummy but it constantly happening is and the less explanation the more so.

So how about this.

Ask me 3 question.
Don’t use any form of Shade.
Just 3 casual questions you want to ask me.
Then I’ll do the same back to you.
Heck even if the questions have Shade I’ll still answer it and point out how I think you should have said the question that wouldn’t result in Shade.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If I had to guess the scum team.
I’d guess sircakes, Farside and Unwnd.

If each of them could reply to this quote with the words “Your Wrong or Your Right”
That would be much appreciated.
(This is a Test. Let’s see if they all pass it or not)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

By the time this test is finished I’ll know if the team I have is accurate or not.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

NDMath is Town.
His thought process is what a

Town

is suppose to be like.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Where as I feel like Town are just so oblivious sometimes.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Where they should be more aware like me and Math.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why is that people just scumread or dislike someone for..disliking them

Didn’t you scum read me because you don’t like how I play FM?
Also, I don’t scum read you for disliking me I Scum Read you for:

Middle Ground

This is a person in the Null zone that isn’t really getting recognized as an important player.
Like not town nor Scum.
Not entirely Null but rather someone they are like “there there but they aren’t a concern”
As usually those players are scum.
Sometimes these players are Lean Town with no attention towards them whatsoever, so my suggestion is get these people the attention they should have.
(Although There are more players then just you in the middle ground)

Shade

Most of the time scum will shade a post.
Usually call a post bad or “I don’t like this” or some form of saying the post is bad.
That in itself isn’t always scummy but if they have no or have a lack of explanation towards their shade then it’s usually a scum tell.

Scum Telling.

To tell who’s scum it’s best to look at each player’s Motivation, Actions, Usage of context, Tone, How they do approach things and how they respond, etc.
There are many different types of Tells but these are stuff you look at.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Midwaybear I Town Read.
And guess what Unwnd? Yes he did scum read me.
He said what you said but he gave a full explanation as to why.
Between you 2, you should always be lynched if ever came down to it.
Anyone who disagrees with this reply to this quote saying “I Disagree”
Or no matter what no matter what, your not responding means you agree with me.
Or you didn’t read this post.
Either way, you don’t disagree.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Here’s something that isn’t scum indicative but really pisses me off because it’s anti Town because they are supporting scum.

When someone engages with someone and someone goes ahead and says “your only making them look better”
They are wrong and that’s just not right.
Like even if your confirmed town people still say that and it’s dumb AF.
If I ever see anyone doing that I’m PLing them or doing something with them IDC.
That shit pisses me off, in fact anything that raises scum’s chances of winning pisses me the fuck off.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Gonna go ahead and come back to this.

It doesn’t take multiple posts for someone to scum read you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not going to do anything remarkable until I see something scummy guys. Ignore me.

So everything you seen so far are just Null and Townie?
Correct?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You're spreading bad ideologies every time you take a moment to tell me how it is. These past pages have just been reoccurring. Like you're stuck on repeat. It's like you're trying to force content or don't give a shit. Nothing you're saying follows some kinda process that I can latch onto. It all reads like lunacy.

If I had to guess the scum team.
I’d guess sircakes, Farside and Unwnd.

If each of them could reply to this quote with the words “Your Wrong or Your Right”
That would be much appreciated.
(This is a Test. Let’s see if they all pass it or not)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm not going to do anything remarkable until I see something scummy guys. Ignore me.

So everything you seen so far are just Null and Townie?
Correct?

I havent seen anything townie tbh. Starbuck seems a bit scummy.

Then do something remarkable.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh my bad.
A “bit” remarkable.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why is that people just scumread or dislike someone for..disliking them

My exact question.

ngl it's really hard to defend this site to my friends when this is a known meta here lol.

I think town does this more than scum. Town know they are town, but they will occasionally do scummy stuff. When someone calls them out for it, the player might be like "wth, I'm town why are you SRing me, you must be scum!" The problem is that they can't look through the other player's POV, and see that their actions were actually scummy. Whereas I feel scum would be more paranoid and acknowledge the SR.

Where they should be more aware like me and Math.

NDMath is Town.
His thought process is what a

Town

is suppose to be like.

uhh this seems like blatant buddying. NDMath said he does it, but it's sorta funny how obvious this is.

He legit said the same shit that I said just in different context.
Nothing is obvious.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Starbucks lets say Spring went totally rogue and tossed you the chain what would you do with it?
Trying to get into your head right now.


I've kind of given up on ABR because he just doesn't intend on playing until day 2 apparently.

If Sprint wants to go completely rouge they pass the biggest scum read the chain.
lol.
That’s be funny

[TrueSoulEnergy]

NDMath doubling down and defending TSE is interesting. Prolly not the scum move there.

If I had to guess the scum team.
I’d guess sircakes, Farside and Unwnd.

If each of them could reply to this quote with the words “Your Wrong or Your Right”
That would be much appreciated.
(This is a Test. Let’s see if they all pass it or not)

I'll bite cuz I'm curious what this will lead to
You're Right

I feel like the arguments might get to a point where we have a plan, but the second to last person gets tilted and passes the chain to the person we wanted killed. I hope this doesn't happen lol

Useless doubt-creating post

Alright.
Now I want Farside and Unwnd to give theirs.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think you just convince yourself everything you say has to be true because you want others to consider you an authority over them

Does that mean you think what he says is scummy?

Discrediting

Shading is one thing, Discrediting is another.
Discrediting someone isn’t just making them look bad but rather saying that it should be ignored completely. It’s like When someone does something and someone says that what there saying is fake. Making it as though your post shouldn’t even been read.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

When it comes to the chain I think there's benefit in giving to people you scumread, this may seems backwards but you're putting them in a position to commit to a read either way. If people are just throwing the chain around like hypothetical townblocks this can become an issue if the townblock is incorrect

I’ll be honest.
Out of all your posts, I like this the most.
Not that I necessarily agree with it, but it feels the most pure.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Could I be wrong on you?
Sure. I’m not quite sure how you play FM and that is an important factor when determining someone’s alignment.
It’s quite possible your Playstyle does include lots of shade.
But some of it just feels like scum indicative.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also if you guys are willing to speed a couple of minutes of your time.

Read the first 5 pages of this regarding me and TL.
I caught TL but he claimed so I backed off but I still caught him regardless.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341&start=25

[TrueSoulEnergy]

^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

-----

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

I think it was clear I was referring to Unwnd no?

Anywho.
I nominate Pink Ball as Town and Unwnd as scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wait no scratch that.
Midwaybear as Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I trust him more.

I also trust Beeboy but they Beeboy.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also a quick question.
Is this all Vanilla?
I read setup but I still can’t figure it out.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I rolled negative utility.
If this game is vanillas and me I am going to be pissed.

Well if this isn’t a vanilla only game I wouldn’t be to mad if I get lynched here as I’m a good Lynch role wise.
If I do end up being lynched I want to post my final thoughts before I do and hopefully you all can follow through with at least some of it the following day.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

- SirCakez
- Raya

Which ones the scummiest? Raya or SirCakez?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Read spring's post I'm quoting

Why do you scum read Raya?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

PB are you legit SRing me?

Of course I am. You said "no RVS" instead of making RVS yourself. Self awareness.

Ok so why did you not do it in order then Pink?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

Where did Raya come from?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE, I have 17 posts, 18 with this one, almost all of them are one or two liners.

Read the game.

Nothing about Raya.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’m not having toxicity at all.
I’m just trying to make sure Town doesn’t fuck this game up.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So far I have Bee and Dunn as town reads

Why do you think SirCakez and I are scum Pink?

Post 40 and 41 seems like trying to put on your own words what was obvious and already stated, acting like you're contributing to the mechanics' discussion when in reality you're not really doing anything. Some kind of "I want to be part of this conversation" instead of "I want to contribute".

Shut up and read, TSE.

You kidding you had to make it hard for me and not mention Raya’s name?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well if this isn’t a vanilla only game I wouldn’t be to mad if I get lynched here as I’m a good Lynch role wise.

??? Does this quote make sense to anyone? If you aren't vanilla, then you should know that this isn't vanilla only. Am I going crazy?

@spring
I might pass it to unwnd because I think TSE is scum
Would not pass to TSE

If I do die here.
I want you to promise me to not let Unwnd pocket you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Usually when I let the game lie in towns hands as I’m the first one to die we lose.
But as long as everyone listens to my final thoughts we should be fine.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So far I have Bee and Dunn as town reads

Why do you think SirCakez and I are scum Pink?

Post 40 and 41 seems like trying to put on your own words what was obvious and already stated, acting like you're contributing to the mechanics' discussion when in reality you're not really doing anything. Some kind of "I want to be part of this conversation" instead of "I want to contribute".

Shut up and read, TSE.

You kidding you had to make it hard for me and not mention Raya’s name?

When I told you to read, I had 18 posts. You didn't read them, clearly.

Read the game.

I read your ISO.
Not post 40 or 41.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Read spring's post I'm quoting

Why do you scum read Raya?

Ok so TSE rolled scum, cool

I'm leaving SirCakez out of my last two

Where did Raya come from?

TSE, I have 17 posts, 18 with this one, almost all of them are one or two liners.

Read the game.

Nothing about Raya.

So far I have Bee and Dunn as town reads

Why do you think SirCakez and I are scum Pink?

Post 40 and 41 seems like trying to put on your own words what was obvious and already stated, acting like you're contributing to the mechanics' discussion when in reality you're not really doing anything. Some kind of "I want to be part of this conversation" instead of "I want to contribute".

Three times you asked for Raya, and I'm talking directly to Raya giving my explanation in this post.

TSE, for the last time, shut up and read.

I feel like a fuckin Idiot.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Don't!! Just focus on reading, you're reacting too much. You have the spirit, now focus.

I would like more content with Unwnd and maybe a past town game with them.
So I can see their town meta.
Do you know if one of the games they have played?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't like your heavy handed posts, Starbuck. If you were town I'd expect more light-heartedness and fun. It seems you're under pressure of not being discovered.

He’s not scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sorry.
“He isn’t scum”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I wonder if Spring realizes other people also need time to hold onto the chain.

Apparently not.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spring you need to let go girl

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well that could be a major difference when determining scum tell.
If they explain more as Town then scum then there’s a very good chance they rolled scum this game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

LMAO a game just ended and I lost because of stupidity and a dumb town being modkilled.
XD.
I legit had the game won IDK wtf happened.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I called the god damn “Town Circle”

Fact - I don’t lose games due to my own mistake but rather to me not convincing others to follow me.
Take a look and see for yourself.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Faint and Build were confirmed town in my eyes but no one seen it because everyone was blind sighted and couldn’t realize the difference between a TvT - TvT
And a SvT.

Like both Jazz - Build/Haz and Jazz - Faint Interactions we’re both TvT.
No my fault no one couldn’t see it. You don’t need logic you need eyes and you need to feel it. You need to feel what they do in a sense.

Find it funny how Sage pushed me to try and make me look scummy was scum them.
And they replace Out because their scum buddy died.
But their excuse was because the “two Town were attack each other as a player rather as a game”
Lol. If someone takes things too far just tell them to lay off each other and go somewhere else.
I told each of them they were wrong but none wanted to listen.
I suppose one of these days I’ll make people listen lol.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Nah if I’m being completely honest.
This game might be another loss for me like that one.
But the best thing I can do is give my reads, give my final thoughts before I die.
And wish you all luck and hope you all follow through with those reads of mine.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Heck, I’m like a role in itself.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The following is a scum scummy post made by Sage that game responding to my post:

“This post rubs me SO wrong right here. In essence it means absolutely nothing, imparts absolutely no insight. It's more of a call to attention like "hey look! I'm making pro town posts!" Chrome has been absolutely non-committal, and doesn't actually seem to be interested in putting themselves out there and committing to anything or anyone.

Most of their posts are just like this but this one really sets off alarms in my head, especially considering it's such a sly set-up to start a bandwagon on just about anyone who might take the bait. It's basically implying "if you vote faint, (or anyone else I can spin to be a 'safe lynch') you are scum, and I get to jump on you."

Making people afraid to engage, and discuss shit is classic scum behavior, or at the very least very poor town gameplay. We want people to be talking, especially day 1. Announcing to the world that you'll be watching and harrassing anyone who comments on a vote train is just beyond bad for town.“

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I townread TSE/BeeBoy/Dunn.

Pinkball tunnelling on Sircakez and Raya is interesting?
Not a huge fan of the way Sircakez ended mechanical discussion.
My top townreads are the same as raya's, so either they're apparent or raya has a Town mindset. I'd assume apparent.

I really don't like this post for some reason haha

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Unwnd’s Posts.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The following is a scum scummy post made by Sage that game responding to my post:

“This post rubs me SO wrong right here. In essence it means absolutely nothing, imparts absolutely no insight. It's more of a call to attention like "hey look! I'm making pro town posts!" Chrome has been absolutely non-committal, and doesn't actually seem to be interested in putting themselves out there and committing to anything or anyone.

Most of their posts are just like this but this one really sets off alarms in my head, especially considering it's such a sly set-up to start a bandwagon on just about anyone who might take the bait. It's basically implying "if you vote faint, (or anyone else I can spin to be a 'safe lynch') you are scum, and I get to jump on you."

Making people afraid to engage, and discuss shit is classic scum behavior, or at the very least very poor town gameplay. We want people to be talking, especially day 1. Announcing to the world that you'll be watching and harrassing anyone who comments on a vote train is just beyond bad for town.“

Can you actually believe people call this town motivated LOL.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Sad part is people here RN would probably Town read Sage for that if they were in this game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Some people at least.
Whatever, back to doing my own thing.
Just thought I’d share another loss game with you because I lose to others mistakes.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The thing that makes this game especially annoying for me above all else is that without the ability to 'vote' you kinda have to filter things out more efficiently. Votes pretty much condense all your arguments. Sometimes you can even say way more just voting someone than anything. Right now you have players who I think would probably be voting each other (or something to close to it) and I'd be able to determine what it all means in the long run. In an instance where there were votes, I'm just going to go ahead and say that TSE/ND probably wouldn't be voting me. I'd also say that I think TSE/ND don't seem like partners despite both agreeing to dislike me. What's happening here is that one of them is town pursuing a bad thought and the other is scum using that leverage to seem more

legitimate

. In terms of who I give more benefit? I don't really know. TSE is so full of himself that it's bothering me. ND remains steadfast and just going through the motions. Gun to my head I'd give it to TSE.

I had some other things I wanted to hit while I'm here.

We are TvT.
Midway and Math are my strongest Town Reads RN.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I got a bit sidetracked when I was talking about my main point. The one being the lack of votes. I remember Starbuck saying something along the lines of 'ABR is so obvious scum' and I wonder if she'd make that opinion if ABR was able to vote. See, the biggest thing about ABR is that he clearly wants to play this game like normal. I've stated my opinion about this so I'll try not to be redundant. I wonder if the people who don't like ABR is his seeming unwillingness to play, but right now I just think ABR would rather play his way and well, he can't.

I glanced over Starbuck/Farside as well but it was only about a sentence. Starbuck's behavior remains pretty straightforward, it kinda shocked me to see her post a re-read like that. Maybe this boils down to playstlye, something Starbuck +1'd when TSE agreed you can't read someone on it. I can't read too hard into it because I sit here a little frustrated about votes again. I'd love to see how Starbuck would react to getting voted. Not just chided through a means of text. I don't mean to pair these two together but it just so happens you have this game working in groups, where people are obviously more involved with others. Which brings me to another thing.

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

This is a list I want to eventually come back to and will become more important as time goes on.

If you never planned on voting me currently if votings could happen, why did you say your post you said about me in the beginning?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

This one.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Also I would've definitely voted you in that post while gasp shading ND

Elaborate on “gasp”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

What are you expecting me to do here?

Nothing based on the games I've played with you

TSE, when I said gasp it's because I would've done what you deemed as scummy regardless

Not the answer I was looking for.
Still scum.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If you would have said “Sarcastic Response” then I would have not have viewed you as 90% Scum anymore but your still there soooo.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Unwd, please nominate a player you think is town, and a player who you think is scum.

ABR
beeboy
--
ND

I didn't answer because my thought felt incomplete. This is the baseline of towniness and scumminess but the game probably remains stagnant until the chain is passed

You scum slipped then here.
First off they asked for 2 people not one.
(That part isn’t the slip but like why add ABR?)
Now for the part you slipped you legit said in a post I’m more scummier then ND.
You contradicted yourself here.
Your not being honest here you just really want to lynch me that you don’t want to be honest.
Which is a scum tell.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Thanks for letting me know, your opinion matters to me

You defend it with a “sarcastic response”
Damn that’s low even for you. Lol.

Look doesn’t matter if you care or not, I’m stating what your doing, you don’t like it don’t do scum things or just hard Claim scum and make my life 1/3 easier.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Jesus fucking christ shut up please

Why’s that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Fun Fact.
The more scum engages with me the more I keep catching them making them dig themselves in a deeper hole.
So here’s the question Unwnd.
Are you going to engage and respond to me? Or are you going to ignore me so your hole won’t get any deeper?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

The thing that makes this game especially annoying for me above all else is that without the ability to 'vote' you kinda have to filter things out more efficiently. Votes pretty much condense all your arguments. Sometimes you can even say way more just voting someone than anything. Right now you have players who I think would probably be voting each other (or something to close to it) and I'd be able to determine what it all means in the long run. In an instance where there were votes, I'm just going to go ahead and say that TSE/ND probably wouldn't be voting me. I'd also say that I think TSE/ND don't seem like partners despite both agreeing to dislike me. What's happening here is that one of them is town pursuing a bad thought and the other is scum using that leverage to seem more

legitimate

. In terms of who I give more benefit? I don't really know. TSE is so full of himself that it's bothering me. ND remains steadfast and just going through the motions.

Gun to my head

I'd give it to TSE.

I had some other things I wanted to hit while I'm here.

But Math is your strongest Town read huh?
Guns not at your head so you just thought you would shade me huh?
You seem to love shading!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Tell you what Lullaby.
If you are scum, give me the chain and I’ll make sure to get rid of your “

Weakest Link

” Unwnd.

Yeah.
I feel for yeah too.
They should know better not to engage with me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

As scum you don’t want to challenge me, or I’ll find you.
If your town, I’ll also find you and Town read you.
Like Midwaybear.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Heck why don’t we all just engage with TSE lol.
We would have such an easy win.

Don’t be shy, step right up and criticize TSE.
I’ll know if it’s pure or forced.
Come on! You can do it!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Mod please make him stop regardless of alignment. This is spamming. There has to be a rule about this.

Fine I’ll stop talking.

@Mod I agree limit my amount of solo posts to 3 or something so I can bully myself to fit everything I want to say in one post.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

You know if you’d actually read you’d know, that wasn’t the slip.
The slip was then having Math as their scum read over me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

deny it boys this is a bad team

Doesn’t matter.
If Spring is scum they only threw 1 of their buds in there not both.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

Spring is the chain leader so I don’t see them changing it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

I like that team.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If part of the quiz group is lynched, the quiz fails.

EVERYONE! IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER LYNCHING ONE OF THE PLAYERS ON LULLYS LIST TODAY YOU MUST VOTE NO TO THE CURRENT QUIZ TEAM

I WILL NOT GIVE LYNCH IMMUNITY TO SOME OF THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS IN THIS GAME

REWORK YOUR PROPOSED TEAM BECAUSE I WILL MAKE SURE ONE OF THEM IS LYNCHED WHEN THE CHAIN IS PASSED TO ME

This a hard Claim?

/Deny Team

[TrueSoulEnergy]

heres a good group:
Farside
Lully
Me
Cakez
Beeboy

Boom.

Annnnd you just contradicted yourself.
Fantastic.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

You know if you’d actually read you’d know, that wasn’t the slip.
The slip was then having Math as their scum read over me.

Ah you said first off, then said below that it wasn't the slip.
I retract my question then. But still don't like you.

It’s cool.
Like me or not, doesn’t change our alignments.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

^
@TSE, was that last post addressed at me? If so, let's be clear that I do not need people to explain mafia to me. In fact, I think there are many people who can explain mafia to either of you in this game.

@beeboy, why do you want to start the chain so fast?

-----

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

@SL
You asked for others to do this, your turn please!

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Lock Town IMO

Midwaybear (Most Confident)
Beeboy
Math (Either Town or Scum pocketing me in which case I respect that)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@mod: can you clarify on how approving the quiz team works? Do you have to take it into account officially? If so, please do.

@farside, I don't really have definite read yet but I can commit on not wanting to lynch today: ABR, Farside, Starbuck, beeboy

Null: Raya, Dunnstral, Pink Ball, TSE

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

So is everyone in your “ok to lynch” your scum Reads?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

....
I feel like you are pocketing

That’s what I was telling you awhile back that Unwnd is scum attempting to pocket you.
Don’t let them.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

So why the fuck should we approve a list of players we want to lynch?

So you have no other scum lead than starbuck?

Unwnd
Starbuck

My main scumreads right now.

Didn't you put me on a list to join a quiz

Is it bad to feel insulted? I think I've been

pretty

townie

So let’s hear why you think you were “

pretty

Townie”
What did you do that others should see?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

....
I feel like you are pocketing

Haha no that was definitely shade as TSE would say put against you

TF does this post even mean?
What kind of answer is that?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

SL, Unwnd, Farside are my guesses for the scum team thus far.
Although I could be wrong on Farside.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Could also be wrong on SL but they need to pass the change.
The quiz is gonna still be there, it doesn’t just grow legs and walk away.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

You stop denying my quiz team. Who is stalling now?

We have way more time to decide the team than we do to pass the chain.

I'm voting no to every quiz team except beeboy's picks. As should everyone since he is conftown and you are NOT, Spring.

Woah there buddy.
Beeboy isn’t Lock Town.
He’s Obv Town.
I’m just calling him Lock Town because that’s how I am.
But I just wanna make it clear that in actuality he’s ObvTown not ConfTown.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Wow sure seems TSE shut his fucking zipper once he realized he didn't actually know what I was thinking this whole time!

I'm gonna x out before I lose my temper further

Remain me to quote something sage said.
They were like “the scum stopped talking or something and to not quote them for it”

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.

Farside, ABR, NDMath
Is my tin foil right now.

I still believe Math is highly likely Town.
If it comes down to F5 I will re-evaluate him to see if he’s scum puppeting me.
But he’s got a good mind set that should be kept around.
He’s a guy that we will benefit on keeping.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

So why did you suggest giving it to starbuck if you feel tjis way?

I’ll be honest I have no opinion on Starbuck myself.
If I’m wrong about you, I’m probably looking there after.

I’m not wrong about Unwnd though.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.

Farside, ABR, NDMath
Is my tin foil right now.

Since you both wrong about me i cant take any of your scum reads seriously.

Yes because you being Town rules everyone else out on the to be scum.
Yep, totally.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

On the list*

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Farside
You do realize if your scum you just ratted out at least 1 of your buddies.
With your response there, me or bee has at least 1 of your buddies in our list.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

yeah I think farside is scum.

With Unwnd.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Flipping*

But yeah 1 of you are probably lying too lol.
It’s too early in the morning for me Smh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

I'd say cakez at this point.

Although I am not currently expressing it, this is how I am feeling currently about this game

Ah.
Nothing like the taste of nuts.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Here what I know about the team:

1) The quiz team size for tonight is 5 players.
2) All players on the quiz team get to pass or fail the quiz, by PM to the mod.
3) If the quiz is passed, town gain a unspecified advantage.
4) If the quiz is failed, scum gain a unspecified advantage.
5) All quiz team member must pass the quiz, for the quiz to be passed.
6) If no quiz team can be formed, scum gain an unspecified advantage.

I voted to approve because given the above criteria, I am not giving scum any advantages and I really need to see that vote count of who voted against (aside from ABR throwing his tantrum and comparing me to Marie Antoinette). I also like this list (even with myself included) because it's full of level-headed players that aren't over the top incendiary.

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

+1 I'd also appreciate a breakdown of TSE.


And now we're getting into ABR's tantrum and authoritarianism. I thought he wanted a democracy?

I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

This list even excluding me is not great

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

why tse?

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

I dont give a single fuck about that! My scumhunting is so good i need a handicap!

He's so scum, it hurts me.

I don't know why ABR doesn't want to a possible garentee to his scum reads being put in the quiz.
I would love to know if I'm on the right track with Star or Raya.

How about if you don't like the propsal and I'm curious about Star we keep her, take out me and add cakez to the mix of SL's list.

In all honesty, I'm glad to be on a quiz team with you to prove you aren't on the right track and have a legit way to do it.

I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the chain leader.

No, the chain leader is bulletproof for the night. It's why it makes sense to me that spring put themselves on the quiz team. Why waste that?

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

Spring is the chain leader so I don’t see them changing it.

Spring is also bulletproof.

If Spring is town

, it makes total sense for them to put themselves on the quiz team for that reason alone.

Doesn’t matter if Spring Is Town or Scum.
It’s the same result.
Why are you bringing that up?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

How can you be so sure I won’t pass it you over Unwnd?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

My preferred game plan here is Raya passes to me, I pass the PinkBall, PinkBall passes to Beeboy.

@Sircakez

If we do this your fate won’t be in my hands if that’s what your so concerned about.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

Also I’m pretty sure I’m not your only scum read.
So I suppose your other scum Reads have already been chosen to be safe no?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Post your lynch pool guys.

-Albert B Rampage
-TSE
-Starbuck

Ok.
So yeah, other then me all his scum Reads are “Safe” this round.
Figured that was the case.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Raya I still highly advice you give the chain to TSE.
ala plan 897

I'm going to need some more convincing on this because right now I'd like to see TSE in the last 2.

Up to you really we have a lot of time to think it through and I have reads I need to figure out as well.
I personally just think his unwnd read comes from very frustrated town along with a lot of his other posts. But his ISO is much like mine becoming increasingly difficult to parse.

I'll read PB, unwnd and Sircakes in more depth so hopefully I can find some good reads elsewhere we can work with.

I want some time to consider this. I honestly trust your townread on him more than my scumread since I'm usually wrong D1 and you're basically conftown to me. If not I'm thinking I'll pass it to Sircakez since we have some similar reads. I definitely don't want Sircakez in the bottom 2.

Can you explain your SirCakez Town read to me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Post your lynch pool guys.

-Albert B Rampage
-TSE
-Starbuck

Ok.
So yeah, other then me all his scum Reads are “Safe” this round.
Figured that was the case.

Can you explain how they are safe?

Starbuck has been getting a mix of scum and town reads and ABR wasn't getting scumreads until recently if I recall correctly?

Safe as in, has the chain.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@Raya I still highly advice you give the chain to TSE.
ala plan 897

I'm going to need some more convincing on this because right now I'd like to see TSE in the last 2.

Up to you really we have a lot of time to think it through and I have reads I need to figure out as well.
I personally just think his unwnd read comes from very frustrated town along with a lot of his other posts. But his ISO is much like mine becoming increasingly difficult to parse.

I'll read PB, unwnd and Sircakes in more depth so hopefully I can find some good reads elsewhere we can work with.

I want some time to consider this. I honestly trust your townread on him more than my scumread since I'm usually wrong D1 and you're basically conftown to me. If not I'm thinking I'll pass it to Sircakez since we have some similar reads. I definitely don't want Sircakez in the bottom 2.

Can you explain your SirCakez Town read to me?

These are just some quick bullet points I took. I can go into more depth tomorrow but I'm falling asleep

SirCakez:
-Overall I think his content is ok
-We have very similar reads which is a good sign
-Our top townread and top scumread are the same
-I think his reads make sense and I can see a town perspective
-He's also going against a lot of the main town reads which I wouldn't expect from scum

I don’t see the last part.
He Doesn’t scum read a highly Town read player.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

I've talked about you, and Raya and Dunn don't feel like they've earned any sort of TR for me.
I'm uncertain about most people this game tbf

That's cool

None of us are getting lynched today though

What do you think about Pink Ball, unwnd, and TSE?

TSE can go
PB doesn't feel at all like my previous town games with him but he says he's not playing as Silver Bullet so maybe that's why?
Unwnd I need to review

I suppose it’s more like they don’t directly think people earned a TR that others believe are earned.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

SirCakez has been doing this "falling into the rabbit hole" thing about me very explicitly so everyone can see his progression on me so it makes sense, that's clearly scum motivated.

So I was right at the begining

I thought you TR’ed SirCakez

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He's my Schrodinger's read, I thought you would've already noticed at this point

I don’t know what that means and why exactly would I have noticed it?
Also, I suppose you still SR me?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

No

So what’s your full read on me currently?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

I'm okay with this plan, but I want you and PB reversed. Most everyone feels you're universal town, we're not going to learn much if you make that last choice. Hell, you might not even choose PB. I know for me that PB is still quite on the null side for me and I'd be interested in seeing who he chooses between Unwnd and SirCakez.

On the same side, I'd like to see TSE get the chain from here because I want to see if he'd stay true to his word.

My word was originally give it to PB.
But if everyone wants PB to make the choice over Beeboy then I’ll go with that.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Yeah im with Cakez on this one you guys fucked up lol

Cakez and Unwnd might be Open Wolfing together.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

Just putting the one Cakez stated.

Yeah there is at Minimum 1 scum within You, Unwnd and Cakez if not all of you are the scum Open Wolfing because your scared of me.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@SirCakez
@Pink Ball
@unwnd
@TrueSoulEnergy

Your 3 man scumlist please.

I think you already know mine.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

Just putting the one Cakez stated.

Yeah there is at Minimum 1 scum within You, Unwnd and Cakez if not all of you are the scum Open Wolfing because your scared of me.

Yeah, throw in Starbuck in there as well. TSE = town.

I have Starbuck as my (if 1 of my reads are wrong they fall into)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

[TrueSoulEnergy]

dude why am I town over BEEBOY

Because by using my method I have confirmed you as Town from my perspective.
Beeboy is verbally Town but I tend to trust my Method more.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think it's Dunn, Farside and unwnd

That’s why I’m making sure everyone from Albert and Up on my list never gets lynched.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

dude why am I town over BEEBOY

Because by using my method I have confirmed you as Town from my perspective.
Beeboy is verbally Town but I tend to trust my Method more.

or you're scum and you know who all the town are, so you try to pocket lol

Yeah I can see how you’d think that lol.
But the way you’ve came about all this comes from a Town mind set in all worlds.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Hey TSE

U were wrong

Lick my cock and my balls, start with the shaft first

I’m not gay.
And this is inappropriate and there’s no “were” you can easily be scum here.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

I did. You read it because you noted you were on my scum list.

I knew I was on your scum list before you made one (if you did because I must have missed it)
Just by an Interaction I could tell you were going to scum read me.
Couldn’t tell your alignment.
However, from Midwaybear and Unwnd I could tell that Midwaybears thoughts about me were actual pure thoughts.
Unwnd’s however were not pure thoughts. They didn’t bother explaining Shit before throwing doubt on me.
Midwaybear in the other hand gave an actual solid reasoning towards me which was genuine.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

i thought unwnd was a girl -_-
also stop

Same Tbh.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE doesn't even have a reason to SR me other than I'm pushing him and I haven't gotten the chain yet
PB what is a schrodinger's read?

Your the one I think I might be wrong on.
I know I’m right on Unwnd being scum and I’m almost certain Farside is scum.
It’s between You and Starbuck and I’m leaning towards it being you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

I did. You read it because you noted you were on my scum list.

I knew I was on your scum list before you made one (if you did because I must have missed it)
Just by an Interaction I could tell you were going to scum read me.
Couldn’t tell your alignment.
However, from Midwaybear and Unwnd I could tell that Midwaybears thoughts about me were actual pure thoughts.
Unwnd’s however were not pure thoughts. They didn’t bother explaining Shit before throwing doubt on me.
Midwaybear in the other hand gave an actual solid reasoning towards me which was genuine.

I said your reads and actions on unwnd read over the top. SC just gave a long read with reasoning on a scum read for you with reasons (that you ignored)
And you said yourself there was scum among the players scum reading you because 'they are scared of me".
That's ego.
That's BS
And I have explained my issues with you, not as indepth but pointedly throughout the game.
So no I don't see you explaining your scum reads other then OMGUS.

LOL
Well if you are the scum team are you saying you won’t be scared of me right now? XD

I explained my read on Unwnd pretty clearly.
Maybe go back and ISO me if you missed it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Spoiler:

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

How is it OMGUS to legit defend yourself when someone shades you?
In no way is this OMGUS.
The fact you think you can actually throw shade Willy nilly like this is hysterical.

Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

How about this.
Instead of being like “Oh TSE is bad lol look at this guy”
How about you ask me a question or make me explain one of my posts.
Or maybe actually explain why your not liking me.

The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

This early argument with unwnd was where I started disliking him

Spoiler:

I was accurate in this game.
http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?/to ... nt-4172486

I was “Chrome”

Everything I said he was accurate.
Macer and Fiend were the only possible scum left.
I was reading Macer scum over Fiend because Macer played so bad IMO.

I also disliked that he needed to bring in another game to try to validate himself

Spoiler:

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(6)- SirCakez, Raya36, Pink Ball, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, beeboy

Ideal Outcome

springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck

>Raya>TrueSoulEnergy/XXXXX>Beeboy>XXXXX/XXXXX

XXXXX = PB, Sircakez, Unwnd

Raya: Can't be lynched so should be cleared sooner.
TSE: Apparently people have issue with him and having a non globally town read player here forever puts a ??? on the other player who wasn't killed. So I'd like to go after TSE as the big murder boi.
TSE's tunnel/ engagement on unwnd felt legit, I thought they had real conviction and frustration behind that push and it's not a spot when scum would feel the need or have that genuine kind of emotion over something. Reminds me of my old gameplay and I know as scum this is much harder to fake before lylo/near lylo where losing out on the push is essentially a loss. The emotional attachment he has to "being listened to" is different then a "staying alive" emotion that either town or scum can experience.


I am not sure which of those 3 are worth killing. I'd have to think it out a bit more, my issue with not putting PB higher then Sircakez despite my reads list implying that is the case is when I tried to word my justification for it I couldn't actually do a very good job of it which is the signs of a bad read. I am not a player who will force onto people something I feel "more comfortable" with, I only shove my ideas when I strongly stand by it.

I think flipping TSE is best because they are such a contentious slot

I think lying one of you or Unwnd is best.
What was/is your read on Unwnd currently?

And then here he's trying to get two of his attackers in unwnd and myself killed

Do you Town read Unwnd from our interactions?
If so, why?
I only brought up the game to show that Town in General (FM Overall) need to play better. It was never to validate myself.
In the last thing you quoted I was asking you a question to see your reaction and if you would slip scum buddies with Unwnd. Your reaction however wasn’t alignment indicative so I couldn’t get a good determination towards it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Most Likely Town to Least Likely Town in Order.

Midwaybear
Beeboy
NDMath
Pink Ball
Albert B. Rampage
Dunnstral
Raya
Springlullaby
Starbuck
Farside22
SirCakez
Unwnd

Should I bother mentioning the OMGUS this post is.
I really thought it was ego for awhile but you have to be scum.
There is no way a person brags as much as you do and produce OMGUS reads.
It's like a guy who says he has 9 inches and comes up very much short.

How’s this have anything to do with “Ego”
I’m giving a list of reads.
If you want to complain about it, make your own fuckin readslist.

I did. You read it because you noted you were on my scum list.

I knew I was on your scum list before you made one (if you did because I must have missed it)
Just by an Interaction I could tell you were going to scum read me.
Couldn’t tell your alignment.
However, from Midwaybear and Unwnd I could tell that Midwaybears thoughts about me were actual pure thoughts.
Unwnd’s however were not pure thoughts. They didn’t bother explaining Shit before throwing doubt on me.
Midwaybear in the other hand gave an actual solid reasoning towards me which was genuine.

I said your reads and actions on unwnd read over the top. SC just gave a long read with reasoning on a scum read for you with reasons (that you ignored)
And you said yourself there was scum among the players scum reading you because 'they are scared of me".
That's ego.
That's BS
And I have explained my issues with you, not as indepth but pointedly throughout the game.
So no I don't see you explaining your scum reads other then OMGUS.

LOL
Well if you are the scum team are you saying you won’t be scared of me right now? XD

I explained my read on Unwnd pretty clearly.
Maybe go back and ISO me if you missed it.

You

have not

explained your other scum reads with reasons.

No.
Your right.
I’ve only explained My Unwnd Read.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I’ve explained my NDMath, Midwaybear and Unwnd read.
I believe that’s it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Albert B. Rampage town
Dunnstral scum
SirCakez town
Raya36 null
Starbuck town
farside22 scum
unwnd scum
NDmath town
TrueSoulEnergy town
midwaybear null
beeboy town
springlullaby town

Pretty good reads I'd say

'Why is Abr a town read.

He would be playing for the long run instead of what he's doing right now

So you will allow him to contradict himself the whole game and continue to town read him???

Can i please be scum in a game your in next time? That would be really awesome.

Why is contradicting himself inherently scummy?

You're already scum this game, is it awesome?

He is using it because he can not because he is really changing reads. Any time he gets called out on changing a read he throws out that he is allowed to change it and never explain why.

And no I'm not scum this game.

I would be a lot more happy and less bitchy.

Pretty sure you’d still be bitchy regardless of alignment.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok I claim one-shot wiretapper

Once per game i can choose a player before phase end, that players vote on the quiz will be proxy'd by my own instead

I don't receive what the person originally chose and the person affected will not be notified

Formatting on phone hard

That doesn’t confirm your alignment.
It’s also a role that benefits you.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok I claim one-shot wiretapper

Once per game i can choose a player before phase end, that players vote on the quiz will be proxy'd by my own instead

I don't receive what the person originally chose and the person affected will not be notified

Formatting on phone hard

that could be a scum PR lol

Well MidWayBear, This is why you rolled town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Like just by Tone it’s obvious MidWayBear. Beeboy and Math are Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Then id be wasting my utility telling you wouldn't I?

Not if you could potential be lynched so you use it as your last resort.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Then id be wasting my utility telling you wouldn't I?

Not if you could potential be lynched so you use it as your last resort.

Buddy there's 5 unchained people I'm just trying to do you a solid to make better choices

”Do me a Solid”

”Choices” Plural

Want to elaborate on this?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

farside, no matter what my answer to your question was, you would answer "you will allow him to contradict himself yaddah yaddah". Do you feel engaging me right now about ABR is useful in any sense?

No I was hoping you would explain why I shouldn't scum read him. Apparently you and I disagree with what is scummy.

Why should I explain you that? Scumread him all you like and let me townread him all I want too. ABR is not a viable lynch today, so it's a moot point

I'm in the quiz voting for a chain leader you were on my list of people I thought I would vote for.

Balance from what

Balance Beeboy's role

1. So?
2. That's not how balance works.

That’s how you balance two opposites though.

Escort and Consort
Investigator and Consigliere
Veteran and Medusa
Etc.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Ok pink ball feel free to dm the mod idk what to tell you!

Even better so you can’t lie out of this.

@Mod Is the Following accurate? If the quiz is failed, scum gain a unspecified advantage.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@farside, you're trying to manipulate me. Sorry, won't work.

I think at this point Farside and Unwnd are panicking.