Ah no i mean i just find it very unlikely. Since they already would have let Dunn get 1 result. Think he's probably just corneredIn post 3128, beeboy wrote:I mean it forces the Dunnstral 1v1 with whoever is scum.In post 3125, Morning Tweet wrote:I can't see Dunn getting killed forcing a Clover v. beeboy 1v1, doesn't seem right. But yeah may as well get another result just in case
So basically even if it isn't Dunnstral we get to see who the last scum is for the following day.
The no-lynch isn't a trick.In post 3134, Raven Branwen wrote:I think you’re the only I think I can trust rn. I feel lost without Skitter. :/In post 3125, Morning Tweet wrote:I can't see Dunn getting killed forcing a Clover v. beeboy 1v1, doesn't seem right. But yeah may as well get another result just in case
Scum can kill anyone in Raven/Morning/midway cause we're all solidly wolves.Raven Branwen wrote:Would that make it bee? I’m sorry, I’m not following any of this.In post 3139, Morning Tweet wrote:Really what scum could do is not kill you and I, Raven, cause technically Clover/midway would be mechanically confirmed town in that situation and we're just like 99% confirmed town.
48 hours.. and my/Raven's life! (≧∀≦)beeboy wrote:I am not throwing this game to save us 48 hours.In post 3146, Morning Tweet wrote:I'd be down for some gambling and killing off Dunn immediately today but i'd feel immensely stupid if that fails cause otherwise the game was an auto-win via NL so long as Raven and I are wolves
Both Raven/Morning town + there is only 1 mafia remaining
We trust Dunn's results and then we kill him. If he's town, we win because he innoed too many people for mafia to come back. If he's mafia, we win cause he's mafia and died.In post 3155, Raven Branwen wrote:But doesn’t that depend on us trusting Dunn’s results? How do we confirm the legitimacy of that result?In post 3146, Morning Tweet wrote:I'd be down for some gambling and killing off Dunn immediately today but i'd feel immensely stupid if that fails cause otherwise the game was an auto-win via NL so long as Raven and I are wolves
Scum can kill anyone in Raven/Morning/midway cause we're all solidly wolves.Raven Branwen wrote:Would that make it bee? I’m sorry, I’m not following any of this.In post 3139, Morning Tweet wrote:Really what scum could do is not kill you and I, Raven, cause technically Clover/midway would be mechanically confirmed town in that situation and we're just like 99% confirmed town.
The only people eligible for us to exile for the rest of the game are Clover/beeboy/Dunn.
If we NL today, we can use Dunn's night action to clear beeboy or Clover, then we exile Dunn the next day. If Dunn was town, we kill the final player in that three and win for free.
We only know that Chara made the Kanna kill N2, so Clover result is meaningless, We know I didn’t kill Lillith based on Dunn’s N1 result, it was probably Nahdia though, so obviously not helpful.
we aren't necessary to the werewolf win condition. Think of it as a sort of martyrdomIn post 3160, Raven Branwen wrote:+1In post 3150, Morning Tweet wrote:The fact that beeboy is proposing the plan that loses the game for scum!him would probably suggest it's not him
And Clover I just thought was town this game. I guess maybe i shouldn't bet the game on that but i thought he was a wolf.
48 hours..beeboy wrote:I am not throwing this game to save us 48 hours.In post 3146, Morning Tweet wrote:I'd be down for some gambling and killing off Dunn immediately today but i'd feel immensely stupid if that fails cause otherwise the game was an auto-win via NL so long as Raven and I are wolvesand my/Raven's life! (≧∀≦)
Exactly, one of us likely won’t be here tomorrow.
Dunn gets an innocentIn post 3164, Raven Branwen wrote:Okay, so what is the point of the no lynch then? How does it help if one of me/MT are dead?In post 3157, beeboy wrote:Raven the forced 1v1 is between Dunnstral and his results.
It doesn't matter if he is lying because we have 2 lynches.
Prolly. But does that point to one person in Clover/Dunn/Beeboy being scum over the others?In post 3168, Raven Branwen wrote:Alright, even if I agree to this, I still don’t see the point of rushing the day. I want to figure out why scum no killed N3? We would have probably never mislynched Dru if they had, so my working theory is scum no killed to frame Dru.In post 3159, beeboy wrote:If Dunnstral is town then we can trust his results.In post 3157, beeboy wrote:Raven the forced 1v1 is between Dunnstral and his results.
It doesn't matter if he is lying because we have 2 lynches.
If Dunnstral is scum the 1v1 includes him still.
It literally doesn't matter.
it makes sense that you would choose Dru first. You were in a PT with Dunn after allIn post 3177, beeboy wrote:I mean we auto win anyway.
And if it isn't Dunn I kinda deserve to be flamed.
But if it is Dunn I think I was at least in the right direction but not perfect >__>
He's not casting suspicion on you he's just pointing out that if you're scum we lose.In post 3182, Raven Branwen wrote:Why would you think that? There is no one in this playerlist who has less reason to kill Skitter than I do. So, I’m really not liking this at all.In post 3177, beeboy wrote:I mean we auto win anyway.
And if it isn't Dunn I kinda deserve to be flamed.
But if it is Dunn I think I was at least in the right direction but not perfect >__>
Like if scum is clover, I am highly impressed right now tbh to the point in which I feel like I deserve to be flamed.
If Skitter messed up her read on you then I shouldn't have mislynched Dru I guess?
I've have done literally the same thing in your shoes. There were like only two options and the safest way to cover both was to exile Dru firstIn post 3185, beeboy wrote:Tbh exactly the thing is. I feel awful cause I think Dru feels like shit over what I do but.In post 3178, Morning Tweet wrote:I think we more killed Dru because of the roles setup balance and PoE from Morning/Raven being locktown + beeboy/midway/Clover being prob town
i doubt they had the clairvoyance to know that Dru would also follow a potential sort of scum agenda pushing that the no-kill was a multiball indictator
Dru didn't exactly feel right but kinda nothing was. I still feel terrible ;_;
Dunnstral locked himself out of this game and if he is scum he messed up post 1 and didn't have a window to kill me which is really unlucky, but I still stand by not lynching him yesterday tbh. Not to say scum Dunnstral played badly just unlucky.
If scum is Clover he is playing like a fucking god.
If Raven is scum Skitter got hard bamboozled in their PT and that is good enough to me.
If you are scum your playing extremely well and made a sick play keeping the cop alive to make me feel safe about you.
Midway is now confirmed town so I don't need to justify that.
Idk whoever is scum played well and that forced us to misplay.
I think that it didn't happen and even if it did it doesn't exactly matter as long as we NLIn post 3202, Raven Branwen wrote:What do you think of bee speculating on Skitter “messing up her read on me”? Why are you doing this bee if you’re town?In post 3195, Morning Tweet wrote:In any case i'm voting for NL in spirit cause even if there's 2 scum, exiling today doesn't improve our chances. If we exile Dunn today and he's town, however, we lose a check on beeboy/Clover and gain nothing.
The only way we can lose anything is if A.) we exile Dunn today and B.) he's town
Here is the list of players at the beginning of N3:In post 3204, Raven Branwen wrote:Dru was the likeliest NK based on her Chara guilty. What is your theory as to why scum no killed N3?In post 3197, midwaybear wrote:I still don't get this.In post 3196, Raven Branwen wrote:Because if she was scum faking a guilty on her buddy, it would have explained the no kill.
One of us gets a Hectic flavour death scene!! Dru's was awesome even if it made me sad on the insideIn post 3207, Raven Branwen wrote:I already pointed out that one of me/MT probably dies tonight.In post 3206, Raven Branwen wrote:I still don’t get it but I’m putting my trust into MT, because after Skittter, she is my next strongest tr.In post 3199, beeboy wrote:Raven run through the world of each of Me/Clover/Dunn/Midway being scum.
Relative to Dunnstral being a town cop.
And try and figure out how you lose no lynching.
I don't think you can.
You had to be scum in kill switch to get a death scene! (^∀^*)beeboy wrote:I didn't get one in kill switch either, I feel a tad robbed.
I have to keep joining hectic games until I die =(
Yea it definitely set up Dru. Dru also could have been set up just by killing you or I, for sure though. Very odd.Raven Branwen wrote:I dunno but since we obviously know now that scum can still kill, I think the no kill looked worse for Dru, than anyone else being killed. Sure I suppose it’s also possible that scum forgot but I think that’s less likely.
So, maybe that is our answer? But yeah, why not you or me? I have no freaking clue.
Why didn't they kill you last night?In post 3214, Dunnstral wrote:That's not true though, since I'm townIn post 3144, Morning Tweet wrote:Well it doesn't matter who they kill we're all VTs
Cause we're killing him tomorrow. It does not matter one bit if the results are faked, cause he's dead.In post 3222, Raven Branwen wrote:I’m trying to wrap my brain around why scum!Dunn clears midway. I did think he’d probably be the check. But I guess what’s so confusing to me is if you all think that Dunn is scum, then why do you trust his results? I think that’s what’s probably making the least amount of sense to me.In post 3211, beeboy wrote:tbh you guys make a fair point.
If you want to mislynch me I wouldn't mind, I want a hectic death scene.
Lol i wonder if Clover knew this what was happeningIn post 3065, Clover Ebi wrote:I have 2 paths to auto win but I’m gonna talk to dru on it so they can fact check it
Cause he has to as a claimed cop?In post 3228, Raven Branwen wrote:Can we all use a bit of common sense here. I <3 you bee but I think you’re not really thinking this through logically. I don’t see why scum!Dunn clears midway, do you?In post 3221, Morning Tweet wrote:I do agree with you that it'd have to be Clover in the event you're town
All the more reason we should NL cause i'd only gamble on DunnRaven Branwen wrote:I’m saying I don’t think Dunn is scum here, I think it’s most likely Clover.In post 3227, beeboy wrote:If Dunnstral is scum I don't care if he lies about his results?
If Dunnstral is last scum the rest of us are just town.
Scum Dunnstral can technically call all of us town by mechanics.
And given he is scum it wouldn't be wrong to assume those results are correct and lynch him.
You follow how a solo scum player giving an innocent results is just as reliable as a town player doing it? Since it brings us closer to scum either way?
Because he has to? What would you expect a scum claiming cop to do? Say "I was roleblocked"? We agreed we'd kill Dunn if he did thatIn post 3237, Raven Branwen wrote:Why does scum!Dunn clear midway?In post 3229, Morning Tweet wrote:Lol i wonder if Clover knew this what was happeningIn post 3065, Clover Ebi wrote:I have 2 paths to auto win but I’m gonna talk to dru on it so they can fact check it
I doubt it's Clover but if it's not Dunn then it is. I think Clover played well in that case
not that Dunn played bad, he got himself higher than Dru and pocketed beeboy for a long while but got mechanically screwed
What else would scum!Dunn do?!In post 3243, Raven Branwen wrote:I disagree, I think it’s against scum!Dunn’s benefit to clear midway.In post 3232, beeboy wrote:I have a post right above this one.In post 3228, Raven Branwen wrote:Can we all use a bit of common sense here. I <3 you bee but I think you’re not really thinking this through logically. I don’t see why scum!Dunn clears midway, do you?In post 3221, Morning Tweet wrote:I do agree with you that it'd have to be Clover in the event you're town
Scum Dunn clears midway because if Dunnstral is scum then everyone else has to be town.
So long as there is only 1 scum remaining, there is no possible way for midway to be scum. That is correct, because town!Dunn cleared midway and scum!Dunn is scum which means it wouldnt be midwayIn post 3249, beeboy wrote:Like can we go back to point one.
Can we just agree we can trust Dunnstral results?
Which makes midway conf town?
Yup exactly. They have a path to winning via voting out the other today and then making Raven paranoid of you tomorrow
Correct. That would be absolutely hilarious thoughIn post 3257, midwaybear wrote:oh yeah the only case is if I am scum with dunnstral ig. Now I remember that I was basically only pushing him D1
I think it's Dunn though. And even if it isn't and you're right, we can clear/kill all of Beeboy/Dunn/Clover by NLing. Why not do that?Raven Branwen wrote:There are many posts where she thinks Clover is the most likely to be mafia. I will find them all because I think I’m probably not wrong here.In post 2003, drusilla wrote:i think clover is the most likely mafia. my death if chara was a werewolf would exonerate clover and midwaybear. thus killing me means chara is mafia, just the same as leaving me alive to red check him did.In post 1998, skitter30 wrote:your death doesn't exonorate clover and we wouldn't know which pair it was either. like yes there has to be scum in a pair/midway but we thought that yesterday anyways
Scum!dunn HAS to clear midway. He had no other option. I don't know what you're expecting scum dunn to do.In post 3262, Raven Branwen wrote:I don’t believe scum!Dunn clears midway.In post 3253, Morning Tweet wrote:So long as there is only 1 scum remaining, there is no possible way for midway to be scum. That is correct, because town!Dunn cleared midway and scum!Dunn is scum which means it wouldnt be midwayIn post 3249, beeboy wrote:Like can we go back to point one.
Can we just agree we can trust Dunnstral results?
Which makes midway conf town?
No if scum!Dunn killed Dru N3 he loses the game when everyone in the game simultaneously goes "Holy fuck that's a lot of power roles"In post 3271, Raven Branwen wrote:I just don’t see how Dunn makes more sense than Clover especially after he was Dru’s guess for last mafia. She only tr him because she was convinced that no kill meant mafia was dead and a two 3P scumteam.In post 3267, beeboy wrote:Unless you can tell me why this doesn't result in us winning.In post 3263, beeboy wrote:So Raven think about it like this.
We no lynch, Dunnstral gets shot. You are alive and lynch Clover.
We no lynch, You get shot. Dunnstral claims a guilty on Clover.
Like it's just the safer way to win the same way?
I am not going to vote Clover tbh.
I am not stopping us from winning by suggesting this and I don't gain anything by being more right.
Why doesn’t scum!Dunn kill Dru? Her mislynch has the same effect no?
If Dru is a sensible nightkill from an outsider's perspective, her reads don't matter at all. She needed to die because she was a PR that guiltied Chara. Her reads do not matter. Clover totally could have killed her-- so would I have, and so would any person as scum. Her reads wouldnt get her killed, her role would haveIn post 3278, Raven Branwen wrote:Dru made all of these posts suspecting Clover on D3, so her dying via an NK, would look worse for Clover than anyone else on the playerlist. That’s why I think there was a no kill N3.
Even if Clover is scum this is still a better playIn post 3280, Raven Branwen wrote:Fine, Obviously I’m outnumbered. But remember what I said here today in case I’m dead tomorrow.
Well like, Clover prolly would have killed her, so it doesn't really point to him being scum in particular. It would not have traced back to him, cause it made sense to kill the watcher (just as Kanna had died)In post 3290, Raven Branwen wrote:My point is that scum didn’t kill her. Can anyone ISO Dru, so I know I’m not actually crazy here? Thanks.In post 3282, Morning Tweet wrote:If Dru is a sensible nightkill from an outsider's perspective, her reads don't matter at all. She needed to die because she was a PR that guiltied Chara. Her reads do not matter. Clover totally could have killed her-- so would I have, and so would any person as scum. Her reads wouldnt get her killed, her role would haveIn post 3278, Raven Branwen wrote:Dru made all of these posts suspecting Clover on D3, so her dying via an NK, would look worse for Clover than anyone else on the playerlist. That’s why I think there was a no kill N3.
A nightkill is something Dunn can directly control. The exile he cannot.In post 3298, Raven Branwen wrote:But she still flipped, so from Dunn’s pov, what possible difference does it make? But if you read Dru ISO. it definitely does from Clover’s.In post 3291, beeboy wrote:Dunn had to leave Dru alive.
I was actively pushing the idea town had too much power.
The distraction was needed.
My point is that if you’re scum!Dunn trying to cause a distraction by not killing Dru, how helpful is it really if she still gets flipped? Otoh, it’s definitely to Clover’s advantage not to directly kill her.
Yea basicallybeeboy wrote:Raven you do understand that if Dunn claims an incorrect result that you have to kill him right?
That's like the only thing me and MT are worried about tbh.
No not Clover N2. He means whoever Dunn claims an inno on tomorrow. Cause that one is guaranteed correctIn post 3308, Raven Branwen wrote:Dunn claimed an inno on Clover N2, where Dru saw that Chara was the only one to have visited Kanna, therefore that inno is null and void, because WE FREAKING KNOW CHARA KILLED KANNA.In post 3301, beeboy wrote:In post 3298, Raven Branwen wrote:But she still flipped, so from Dunn’s pov, what possible difference does it make? But if you read Dru ISO. it definitely does from Clover’s.
My point is that if you’re scum!Dunn trying to cause a distraction by not killing Dru, how helpful is it really if she still gets flipped? Otoh, it’s definitely to Clover’s advantage not to directly kill her.
I don't actually think Dunn is scum that much I really think it could be either Clover or Dunn.
I just don't want you to jump through hoops in f3 to vote someone Dunn claimed an inno on.
Or rationalize a world in which Dunn faked a guilty on someone.
Like I don't want to read an entire ISO to ensure that :/
Okay then you get an innocent on Clover tomorrow, we exile Bee, and if that doesn't end the game, we exile youIn post 3311, Dunnstral wrote:What? I wasn't planning on checking beeIn post 3307, Morning Tweet wrote:Yea basicallybeeboy wrote:Raven you do understand that if Dunn claims an incorrect result that you have to kill him right?
That's like the only thing me and MT are worried about tbh.
I'm guessing Dunn claims an innocent on Beeboy tomorrow. You can get rid of Clover first, but you HAVE to kill Dunn after that if it doesn't end the game. Do not let Dunn get away with a fake guilty or fake inno
