Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

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VOTE: Penguin

Clearly a bandit.

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Penguins can't be doctors. Just fyi.

Brains are too small.

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shit...

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VOTE: Bingle

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wait...wut?

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Where's Jingle?

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They can be worms but...

not real worms.

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link to Day 1 start/VC on this page

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Sorry - it's a habit

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I have townpings on Penguin and Gamma

~ Games

I do too!

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link to VC on this page

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My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

Like, how?

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For someone who chose to explore: were you given a specific room you found?

Yes.

I'm going to try to turbopocket PP this game to cut down on him paranoia sorting me as scum, so he's clearly town.

Success.

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Yes.

Interesting. I’d like person who found the library to claim that they found the library, as well as whether finding it gave them the benefit of using it. Specifically the library, not any other room.

I found the Library. It did not give me the benefit of using it.

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“Item: You find a dire wombat and are reminded that Pine failed us all.”

link to VC on this page

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Actually is the wombat thing something from a mafia game, or like, a DnD session?

Mish Mash interactive story

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VOTE: SirCakez

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I will also elim the poster above for no apparent reason.

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oooh - a pagetop competition

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This is boring.

Create some wagons pls.

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I was speaking in general, not to you. Bingle should vote for the cake.

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If Bingle doesn't vote for the cake, he loses his current pocketing of me.

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SOLID JUSTIFICATION

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Failure.

VOTE: Ydrasse

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Wagons are good.

Make another.

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I am disappointed in exactly three players.

Three.

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I am proud of one mod, however.

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Two players.

Two.

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Also, wagon pls tree.

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I'm on my preferred wagon, scrub.

Lame for two reasons.

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- One vote is not a wagon
- You're lurking and coasting on your RVS vote

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I mean - your patterns of laziness D1 is fine and all, but it doesn't address the fact that your response to my asking you to wagon someone was lame.

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Well - that wasn't very clear as you just asked me to elaborate and quoted my "lame for two reasons post"

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Also, I'm not sure why you thought that I would actually provide information?

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These tuxedoed bastards are swimming in cold water! How dare they conform to their well-established patterns and preferences.

link to VC on this page

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Looking at CM's meta, I can seem to find a single scum game, so if he were to roll it, it would be one of his first time playing. I don't think this slip up comes from Newb Scum.

Yeah....but....he's flaking...so......

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link to VC on this page

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nooooo

I have pulled ahead!

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@Gamma why are you voting Fun and Games? They're probably the most townie slot right now. Besides their mech-talk, they're actually suggesting town strategies and are trying to scum hunt.

my level of focus on this game is abysmal tbh
I just felt like counterwagoning, and F&G was someone I remembered being scummy earlier on when I was paying more attention

While I give you ++ for counterwagoning pls explain the scummy stuff you remembered from earlier when you were paying more attention.

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Cake is a better wagon. Hop on there and make a true counterwagon.

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True counterwagon.

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Voting where? You say there but those are two different theres.

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actually, why are you telling me to vote there, rather than trying to get me on board the wagon you're actually on

That's Bingle's job.

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You should read the game more.

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Gamma probs town tho

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why dont we just full fucking claim while we're at it

popcorn to penguinpower

I am a penguin.

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*looks at vc*
*looks at Cake post above*

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What do you think we will get from that discussion?

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Do you want to vote somewhere?

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Bingle's required to. If he didn't, he would auto-out himself as scum.

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Yep.

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I mean you can also check for yourself but sure okay.

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Oh no

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Michio

link to VC on this page

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Sorry you are easily frustrated.

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hmm

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zzzzzzz this ydrasse wagon is boring can we vote like georgebailey or something?

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I prefer cakeman.

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Basically a vig equivalent with the enhancement.

What say you Bingle?

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Because people have claimed for no reason.

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Absent the most recent claim.

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VOTE: the cake man

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GAH

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VOTE: GB

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Oh hai

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Mine

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Page tops are lame.

Page bottoms on the other hand..

Even nicer when you get both...but this is a pagetop war not pagebottom war.

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Oh now you listen to me.

*sigh*

I’ll take what I can get.

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‘‘Twas blocked.

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So scum can block a room. Interesting.

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Also this is why I didn't go into the gym, felt it would've been a prime target for scum

Why did you assume that scum would have an ability to target an entire room?

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SC/Ydrasse scum

Vote beeboy

Makes sense.

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Oh dear god Bingle is scum.

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You did this same thing yesterday.

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or you can read the last line of the post, PP

How does that change anything?

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Voting lurkers has an excellent history of accomplishing things, sure.

Lame defense gamma.

My point is he made these same reads yesterday and moved off both his scum reads and ended up elsewhere. That’s scummy. I gave Bingle benefit of the doubt day 1 but that doesn’t extend to day 2.

VOTE: Bingle

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I'm not interested in beeboy, if he's scum why would he limit his vote to only a hammer, it makes no sense. And it would be too penalizing for a scum to have that handicap. Beeboy is town.

Uh....wut?

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Does not compute

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Mine

link to VC on this page

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Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

I don't like this post.

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I don't like this post.

It being a bad look doesn't make it not true.

The takeaway is the opposite angle, though.

There is a scum roomstopper (trademark pending) that probably isn't cmod via his publicly confirmable claim, so solving cmod's alignment is a comparitively lower priority.

I would like to get CMod's results from N0 though.

Except that exploring is a separate action from personal abilities and both can be done at the same time.

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Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.

I'm a cop of unknown sanity.

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VOTE: ABR

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I mean yeah. It’s D1.

It's now D2.

wut up tree?

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Mine

link to VC on this page

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@mod: unanticipated vla. Back Tuesday.

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Vla lasted longer than I thought. I’ll be caught up by tonight.

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I think Pine is a fine elim for today pending his catch-up. Would also elim Bingle.

UNVOTE:

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The real travesty of my Vla is the page tops I lost.

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Penguin has not posted content in 7 days

Well...that's not true.

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But...skitter townreads me

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i think penguin's day1 is out of his scumrange tbh

~ skitter

That's also not true tbh.

You trying to pull a Bingle on me?

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i think penguin's day1 is out of his scumrange tbh

~ skitter

That's also not true tbh.

You trying to pull a Bingle on me?

well, so far as i know how to read you you are?
idk you look a lot more like your towngames than your scumgames to me imo

your scumgames are a lot more stilted, less opinionated, less speaking-about-reads in-real-time, and you have more of a fluffy presence
(i mean you have a fluffy presence here too but there's also actually content, and it doesn't need to be pulled out of you, that's the difference)

~ Skitter

huh...fair

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I have a foolproof method of reading PP. Sheep irrelephant. Now we just need irrelephant to join the game so I can get his read on PP.

Or be scum! Then you know my alignment...right, Bingle?

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SONOFA

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8 damn seconds

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Slight overview I'm accusing you of encouraging stagnant discussion d2 rather than hunting scum or... well contributing

would like to see the encouraging stagnant discussion bit

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That's more helpful than a long post tbf

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Also - two different players.

First post was meh.

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PenguinPower
I dislike their posting today a lot. And I never really got town vibes from them day 1.

Still with the hurt feelings? Get over it.

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Pengy do you ever push? Genuine question

Yes.

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I didn't say butthurt?

But, it's factual that your scumread on me started with my vote on you at the beginning of the game and now you are using generic things like "don't like posting" (despite a vla!) to support it.

It's lame and a little scummy.

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lol

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Bingle/Pine/Cakeman/siteflaker

I could elim there today.

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boop

link to VC on this page

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OOOH BUZZWORDS!!

I'm scum guys. Elim me.

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dammit you were waiting for that

I was, yes.

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SC/Ydrasse scum

Vote beeboy

Makes sense.

Oh dear god Bingle is scum.

Voting lurkers has an excellent history of accomplishing things, sure.

Lame defense gamma.

My point is he made these same reads yesterday and moved off both his scum reads and ended up elsewhere. That’s scummy. I gave Bingle benefit of the doubt day 1 but that doesn’t extend to day 2.

VOTE: Bingle

With the addition that he hasn't done much of anything with his vote today. As mentioned earlier, Bingle talking mechanics is a requirement from him as either alignment so people giving him townpoints for that is not good.

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FIGHT ME PENGUIN

Like in this game or do you want me to just ban you?

cuz I would prefer one of the other three over you tbh

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meh I'm just gonna

VOTE: Bingle again and see what happens.

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Depends on who the player is an their experience with Bingle. Generally = mistake.

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Because I'm a scum mastermind, gamma.

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But everyone also has an attack/steal that doesn’t cost a speed action. Does Ydrasse’s role remove that from his arsenal? I would say this may mean something for alignment, but I also recognize roles are independent of it.

Umm...no.

[PenguinPower]

3) Each Night phase, perform up to [half your speed rounded down, with a minimum of 1] of the following actions:
Explore the house: you find a new Room, which could contain one of the following: Items, Events, Rooms with permanent actions, or LABS.
Interact with an existing room: you can travel to a Room with a permanent action and activate the action, or travel to a discovered LAB and try to Activate or Destroy the LAB. To Destroy a LAB, you must specify which LAB you are traveling to and make a Knowledge roll of 4 or higher on unactivated LABS, and 6 or higher on activated LABS. TEST SUBJECTS do not know what is required for the DOCTORS to activate a LAB.
Attack someone or steal an Item: I roll your Strength x dice versus your chosen opponent’s Strength x dice. If you win, your opponent takes the difference between the rolls in physical damage (allocated across Strength and Speed in any combination they choose). If you lose, nothing happens. You can also specify beforehand that you would like to steal an Item instead of dealing damage. If your roll is at least 2 higher than your opponent’s roll, you successfully steal a random Item. If your roll is at least 4 higher than your opponent's roll, you will also receive a list of the Item names in your opponent's possession as of the beginning of the action phase and can select which Item you prefer to steal. Steal Items will be distributed based on roll priority. Regardless of the number of actions you can take per night, you can only attack/steal once per night.

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Yes, because Pineslot is a wealth of information beyond lurking and being replaced.

I mean - kill it but don’t pretend like we’re getting loads of info from it.

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No

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F’ing site delay.

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Yes, because Pineslot is a wealth of information beyond lurking and being replaced.

I mean - kill it but don’t pretend like we’re getting loads of info from it.

the info is most likely from people's interactions with Pine

My point stands.

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yes, and i do not want to wagon iks

Why not?

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I had him in my pool so can you explain the townie bit?

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Thanks

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Will read

link to VC on this page

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Thoughts on Bingle while you’re here?

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we ultimately agreed that the things he's scumreading him for are nai

What are those things?

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primarily my other head thought his setup spec/knowledge was scummy in a tmi way
but he's enver played with him i think and we talked about how i thought it was p par for the course for him, and not really unusual, and we settled on that bit not being scummy for him

that was the main driving factor of his scumread on him

Agree, and I’ve said as much that setup spec is nai for Bingle. What about his voting pattern versus statements?

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SC/Ydrasse scum

Vote beeboy

Makes sense.

Oh dear god Bingle is scum.

Voting lurkers has an excellent history of accomplishing things, sure.

Lame defense gamma.

My point is he made these same reads yesterday and moved off both his scum reads and ended up elsewhere. That’s scummy. I gave Bingle benefit of the doubt day 1 but that doesn’t extend to day 2.

VOTE: Bingle

With the addition that he hasn't done much of anything with his vote today. As mentioned earlier, Bingle talking mechanics is a requirement from him as either alignment so people giving him townpoints for that is not good.

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But you do have a cause for concern now...

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.

link to VC on this page

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Strongest read, yes.

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It is. But that requires you to pay attention when ABR seems to not be doing.

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Strongest read, yes.

I'd be interested to hear how this is at all like my scumgame, tbh.

It's not like either Bingle I'm familiar with tbh aside from the mechanics piece.

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It is. But that requires you to pay attention when ABR seems to not be doing.

which*

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ok now that we have a day and a bit left, can we work on coalescing on a non-awful wagon?

pedit i would compromise on chara if necessary, but i think we should be voting johnny

~ skitter

But, he also thinks Bingle is scum so I don’t wanna.

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But that’s happened with every wagon sans pine/chara.

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Gamestate? And scum is fine with it thinking the quickelims that may happen won’t hit scum?

*looks at abr*

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Wow. You’re bad or just reaching.

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^
Save that post for the post-game.

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I’m fine with it. His dance around Noraa slot was bad and his claim is pretty much that slots claim to but he won’t get specific.

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I’m...still...pushing...Bingle....

You okay?

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Nope

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Mine

link to VC on this page

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You left out the actual reason why I scumread you. I e only stated or quoted it thrice now.

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I’ll switch it up and not quote.

You’re entrance today with scumreads on cakeman and Noraa slot yet voting Johnny slot and then not doing much else with your vote until recently.

That matched up with your scumreads on cakeman and Noraa slot yesterday yet voting for what ended up being a miselim.

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Fucking iPad and not being able to edit grammar within the rules.

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mmhmm

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Are you at least going to correct your fake reason for scum reading me?

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No thoughts on Noraa and ABR being wildly similar?

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In terms of role?

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Penguin i may be convinced
Hmmm

Quite don’t like his scumpool wrt where he is voting as well tbh.

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I AM ASSASSIN.

my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.

i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.

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Hey now.

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The claims are functionally the same but with ABR withi,ding specifics.

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Oh....problems. We have problems.

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Bingle is voting me now btw.

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Attack x speed is an attack multiplier, no?

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Whoever townreads him.

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I'm a vig, better than even chances to one-shot a 3-3-3 player, if I get a weapon it becomes almost certain to one-shot them unless they roll perfectly.

There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.

Not an outright vig...just like Noraa!slot

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You even reading Bingle?

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I mean that happened while I was vla.

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Mostly because ABR has been vague about how it works, but I’m assuming somewhat the same given the “better than evens” comment.

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Attack x speed is an attack multiplier, no?

ABR's claim is that if he attacks he's more likely to kill.

Noraa's claim is that she can attack multiple times if speed would let her do so.

Are you legitimately not seeing a difference there?

....

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Which is the same thing as attacking multiple times on the same target....

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Fair correction there. Pulling me into a mechanics discussion (though you still don’t make sense there bings.)

link to next VC (post 1375)

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Yes.

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Hydra does.

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Not in the bad way though.

P-edit

See above.

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Lol

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5 second divide.

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I have the time stamps. Sorry.

Consolation prize. Vote Bingle.

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Wow. My opinion of Bingle has literally just dropped with that post. Just as a player.

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a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

Except I haven’t legitimately pushed you before. And you just quoted a game where I didn’t tunnel you at all but convinced you re:mechanics that I was town.

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a) there's a distinct lack of tunneling you in that game
b) there's a lot more fluff/flippancy in relation to the amount of content he put out there, and a lack of conviction, and i would say that this is game is just the opposite. incidentally, i think behaving in the former way is strongly indicative of scum!him, and behaving in the latter is strongly indicative of town!him

There's a chance it's bias. But that's kind of also my point.

Except I haven’t legitimately pushed you before. And you just quoted a game where I didn’t tunnel you at all but convinced you re:mechanics that I was town.

Pengy, I love you and I want you in my life but 2 of our most recent games you wanted to vote me in XLO after I was mechanically confirmed town by the flipped tracker and when I had a role that I had claimed that was literally going to kill me before the endgame.

Real talk: you snowed me in Fogport which I respect and, yes, did harbor some paranoia after for awhile. I’m riffing and joking about that mostly now, and if I’ve been wrong about you recently it’s because I’m not awesome at this game and some people are convincing.

It doesn’t change anything I’ve called out as suspect in this game.

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Mad respect, mod.

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Agree tbh. Underwhelmed by the entirety of Noraa posting.

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Starting to get angleshooty here. Catch us up on your thoughts and we’ll go from there.

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Starting to get angleshooty here. Catch us up on your thoughts and we’ll go from there.

This was @ noraa.

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1238 is penguin standing up for Bingle. Worth looking at Penguin/Bingle interactions if bingle ever flips red this round.

uh...wut?

Penguin ... no the roles aren't similar.

No, they are and you just making a statement does 0 to show otherwise.

Penguin: Null perhaps slight scum lean for the weird analysis on Ydrasse and ABR. Like uhh as far as ik these are two slots that have claimed. y tf r u pushing there?

Because...uh...people fakeclaim all the time? Both claims leave a kill failure open so not 100% confirmable. Also, I'm pushing Bingle but I'm raising points of suspicion on those two.

ABR: probably just town being done with everything. doesn't try that much but its honestly TSTBS. He claimed vig. I'll wait for him to prove it. If he can't, regardless of reason, we launch him bc we can't afford to keep a scum or a really scummy player all the way to limlo.

Early town block: Johnny, ABR, Noraa, Bingle

Your vote is still on ABR.

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I don't think fun and games is a not realistic wagon

Why aren't you voting them?

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beep

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boop

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I mean - I think they're important. Makes it seem as though you don't really believe what you are writing, but rather fabricating something because you need to.

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Like - most people when they say "strongest scum read" would naturally place a vote on that person.

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Like uhh as far as ik these are two slots that have claimed. y tf r u pushing there?

so what if my slot claimed a pr? scum would do it too.

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So you did ignore my response. Cool.

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rn when there are slots that claimed pr, they should be off the limpools bc 2/3 scums will not claim pr day 1-2 so that means even if one of them was scum, we still have 2 scum left to catch.

I mean that's not even true in a theme game where everyone has a career.

lol.

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It’s not paused though.

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Now, that’s not fair. I have the ability to do what you did but you won’t let me.

Pagetop wars have been compromised.

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Yes yes, stall and delay the game even more pls.

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Your slot is dead tonight so don’t fret too much.

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Our “vig” has committed to killing you. ‘Twas not a great slot you repped into.

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ABR?

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Your slot is p!bad so...

[PenguinPower]

You’ve got 15ish hours so quick skim and thoughts?

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Read the game. Skim if needed. There’s a lot of not important stuff.

[PenguinPower]

Also your vote is likely to be important so focus on the last 20ish pages.

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They should have good summaries and less fluff.

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I don't necessarily agree with her reads though.

What do you disagree with?

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I thought there was some faulty logic behind the IKS scumread. She seemed to call IKS scum seemingly due to voting a leading wagon near deadline which I don't think is particularly alignment indicative. I think there are probably more examples, but that was one moment that jumped out.

Iks wasn’t mentioned in her initial read list though...

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Her read list was p!bad and I don’t see how you think she is town based on it. I asked what reads you disagreed with and you gave a tangential answer. You don’t like either wagon.

Who

do

you want elim’d?