Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Noraa]

VOTE: SirCakez

U-U this is gonna get me some SRs from shelly someday

[Noraa]

I predict this game will be like this:

Spoiler:

Noraa and shelly spamming the fuck out of the thread

[Noraa]

I claim town gravedigger. It's like miller except for watchers and trackers instead of cops.

VOTE: Herta

this must be a joke. Claiming on ur first post. if its not then like dude smh.

I predict this game will be like this:

Spoiler:

Noraa and shelly spamming the fuck out of the thread

wtf i'm not allowed to spam?
jerk
i got you in this game okay give me some spam credit
VOTE: noraa for being insensitive to my feelings

If ur post counts can match mine by the end of this game I shall welcome u officially to the spammy group currently consisting of {shelly, noraa}
for the time being buhahahaha nope <.<

Echo has a history of getting lynched day 1. I wouldn't recommend it.

no he doesn't. this is a lie.
he prolly has a history of getting nightkilled early tho :>>>>>>>>>

I don't really have an intention of keeping pace with spam, sorry.

I don't think the claim means much, it's a big deck. There is a werewolf gravedigger, which to me possibly suggests that if NPOM is scum they're werewolf/SK, but that's marginal.

werewolves exist in this setup? holy fuck I need to take a look at the roles page

[Noraa]

welp town faction here

[Noraa]

@Noraa, If you think NPOM lied, why didn't you vote him?

uhhhhhh first post was a joke?
why would I *seriously* vote someone over a joke?
if u meant just like a random rvs vote, well like I dont see the point and I only change my rvs votes if I find something particularly funny

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa
Why would you join a game with an established rolelist and not look up what that rolelist is?

bc i pressured her into joining and she zoomed into queue
but yeah you prob should go read the rolelist

also idk if i said it or not but yeah child killer is my favorite role ever seen in mafia ever so

I originally inned but then was like nah too many games(I have 7 technically 8 now)
then jellyfishie Echo over here was like Noraa Noraa come come and so I inned again :/

[Noraa]

Haven't seen the role list yet. I'll check it out sometime today hopefully

[Noraa]

@Noraa, If you think NPOM lied, why didn't you vote him?

I'd like an answer to this.

I'd prefer you read the thread and point out what's wrong with my response before you ask for another

[Noraa]

why is there no point in concealing from scum?
I still don't understand T^T

[Noraa]

gut town?
why?

[Noraa]

I don't think I've ever seen u TR me straight off the bat before

[Noraa]

@Noraa, If you think NPOM lied, why didn't you vote him?

uhhhhhh first post was a joke?
why would I *seriously* vote someone over a joke?
if u meant just like a random rvs vote, well like I dont see the point and I only change my rvs votes if I find something particularly funny

Why is saying someone lied a joke?

I thought the claim was a joke

[Noraa]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm T^T I still don't have a clear picture on what ur play is like

*sigh* I'm the slowest one out of all us

[Noraa]

The roles wiki was too long soooo I didn't read it. I'll read the ones that are claimed sometime later in this game then ig but for now ... no thanks too many.

All the setup stuff I won't really comment on cuz I know nothing.

shelly didn't I play the ~confused~ card hard in doggos tho? :3

[Noraa]

No joke

idk I'm honestly still hesitant to believe the claim was real just cuz like .... normally claims on the first post are jokes

[Noraa]

well gravedigger is technically like a pr right and like somewhat conftown. Why would they out just like that? idk it doesn't make sense to me bc if they out, scums r just gonna kill him ... right?

[Noraa]

shelly didn't I play the ~confused~ card hard in doggos tho? :3

the key is tone. this is proooobably your first ever theme or something

see the reactions towards me giving you a gut-TR, it's trying to doubt me / point out logical flaws. scum upon TR'd doesnt do that

not my first theme. mmm I could see why the second point applies though I'm not too sure what scum me would've done upon entering. I'm certain if I was scum, I would've already bombarded my partners with questions. Besides that I'm not sure what I'd have done.

sigh FOR THE NEWBIES

site meta = miller/ascetic/ negative utility town roles claim d1

why?

[Noraa]

Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

[Noraa]

why?

imagine this

There is a miller and the cop. miller does not hardclaim
d3 cop checks miller returns red
miller claims, but red check from cop = elim either way so miller gets limmed

imagine in another game cop checks scum returns red
the scum claims miller and doesnt get elimd

miller hardclaim = 1. cop checks are 100% ACCURATE 2. cop no need to waste on miller

makes sense

[Noraa]

hey assemble, why that unvote? do you concur with my gut townpings?

was wondering this as well

not only are our prfpcs similar, our thought processes r similar. Lel that'll hurt Shellys pride to know she's being compared to the worst mafia player ever

[Noraa]

Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

this is very wifomy and I can improve at being town

meh response
noraa you tryna rock this shit or do you wanna rock ico's shit with me since he's not even here yet
or the other person who's name i can't even remember
it starts with an a

the arachnid one. I plan on focusing on shelly bc her entrance pings me of all her scum games so far where she started off being TRed a shit ton for "protown behavior"

echo who is scum im gunna solve this on this page

why are we asking for solves day 1? none of them r gonna be right. Just ask for reads. Plus its still half rvs and I doubt anyone has a read that's half decent. Chill ur butt, wait for info to collect itself and magically everyone will have reads

[Noraa]

Shelly the way u started off this game reminds me a shit ton of ur scum games. Ur scum games always start off looking very very protown. However when ur town, u always start off meh or really scummy :/

this is very wifomy and I can improve at being town

meh response
noraa you tryna rock this shit or do you wanna rock ico's shit with me since he's not even here yet
or the other person who's name i can't even remember
it starts with an a

the arachnid one. I plan on focusing on shelly bc her entrance pings me of all her scum games so far where she started off being TRed a shit ton for "protown behavior"

echo who is scum im gunna solve this on this page

why are we asking for solves day 1? none of them r gonna be right. Just ask for reads. Plus its still half rvs and I doubt anyone has a read that's half decent. Chill ur butt, wait for info to collect itself and magically everyone will have reads

bc i’m a fucking expert and my best friend shelly knows i’m an expert
but shellys bein a lil bit of a weirdo so i am accepting new best friend applications
i don’t really like how towny shellys being

but it’s never the person you most suspect nor least suspect it’s whoever you middle most suspect
shelly+ noraa scum team again throwback to doggos

Yeah I'm not feeling the right vibes here for shelly to be town. I've never had a game with her that felt more scum!shelly than this one. All her town games seem very very scummy whereas those scum games start off with a shit ton of towncred. She pockets an insane amount until she reaches day 3/4 and people are like huh I don't really think she's town anymore. Every town game has made me think "huh she's being scummy but I can't tell what alignment she is" but her scum games always strike me as "huh she's being so protown she must be town ... right?"

*stretched reasons to SR me

also I am quite a fan of bussing and townbinning my partner for "gut" is... risky

Noraa/Shelly's not the solve here, no. Shelly busses partners day one in case they die. I may have said this too early but either way if anythin fishy happens today like a SR turns into a strong TR .... :/ I won't elaborate but I'm 99% sure shelly is scum here and she's probably already bussed her partners a lil by now. If she flips red, I'm gonna prove my theory to be true by pushing for her bussed partners.

VOTE: Herta

get this slot now

Shelly flips red = Herta is likely partner.

kok red is gunna have a early townish pass, scum don't really bus super early d1. red is town, herta slipped and scumclaimed.

pocketing.

redcardinal lets hard push herta and be our little townblock

I agree with noraa's logic but don't entirely trust atm

can you ~explain~ this a bit more? is it gut that makes you distrust them? because coherent logic is usually town!AI

U-U my curlies have officially affected the shelly welly.

shelly how many games have you played with noraa, ballpark

a shit ton but all except one are ongoing

[Noraa]

Love ya shelly welly but ur not town this game.
u could be some other wonky faction but ur definitely not town.

[Noraa]

Also, Noraa, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I'm not comfortable with you referring to ongoing games in the way you are doing, if there's only the one completed game? Can you at least try and keep discussion limited to finished games and this game? I can't properly engage with the way you're presenting your argument at the minute.

Ah no its in her finished games. I can quote them if u want

[Noraa]

Also, Noraa, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I'm not comfortable with you referring to ongoing games in the way you are doing, if there's only the one completed game? Can you at least try and keep discussion limited to finished games and this game? I can't properly engage with the way you're presenting your argument at the minute.

Ah no its in her finished games. I can quote them if u want

just go meta dive her rq. its quite obvious

[Noraa]

I haven't been a meta freak (or a good player) in like 12 years but I'll take a look then, much more comfortable now, thanks, sorry.

nah ur good. I understand the concern with that.

[Noraa]

hey

why hello

[Noraa]

Really?

[Noraa]

I think this game started weirdly which is why I'm not more certain, but yeah. Don't let me stop you, I'm well out of practice with this type of thing, and I tend to prefer my meta reads to inform what I'm seeing in thread than dictate them.

Interesting cuz my gut literally screamed scum so hard if I could dayvig someone, I would've dayvigged her right then, right there. Like that's the level of certainty. I'm not a god at reading people but shelly is one of the few that I've meta dived and I seriously just saw the opening and I was like, "no fucking way shelly is town"

u could convince me she's a werewolf or some other weird shit. But town, no.

This is full on gut. But I have never ... NEVER ever had such a strong gut read in all of my time on ms. I very strongly believe shelly is not town and that's why I will try my best to avoid solving her as I'm 1000000% sure this gut read will make the read very unfair if she really is town. But I swear to god, I will actually be so so shocked if she is town. Hands down will be like ok I'm out. Adios I suck at gut reads.

Anyways I feel really really really strongly about this but I'll avoid reading shelly for now so that I don't tunnel so early into day 1 cuz once I start tunneling, I legit can't stop.

[Noraa]

So many really's but I legit feel strongly about this and nothing'll change that besides a green flip in which case I will be absolutely bamboozled.

[Noraa]

I never understood the case on Herta. Anyone want to walk me thru that?

[Noraa]

I think that was ... a joke but idk

[Noraa]

U see I wouldn't be surprised by a red flip from herta as they are null on my radar rn. I feel like everyone making a big fuss out of nothing. I saw it as a joke and took no notice in it and I could see why it could be a scumtell but I could also see town saying it. this is precisely why I just completely disregarded it BC I think its not AI.

[Noraa]

Damn wow

[Noraa]

having read through the rest of the thread after my post 220 I scumread noraa

buhahahahaha u go into such detail as for why. You have some time to explain before I start SRing u for this quick and unexplained shift of opinions that threw shade at me for no apparent reason with nothing to back it up.

[Noraa]

I forsee a herta lynch today, but if not I will also happily go for shelly and then noraa on a red flip. Obvious distancing.

is your lynchpool only those two today? ik there's quite a bit of time left, and we have two slots that haven't checked in, but aorn

its bad that red is SRing the two people who have talked the most so far and thinks that's the lim pool and its funny that I'm in the limpool even when red "TRs me"

that's just weird :/

[Noraa]

And also its pages 10. Wtf do u mean "I forsee this lim but if not these two, we can kill off one person that I SR or one that I currently TR both who are currently talking the most"

[Noraa]

.......seriously tho like what.

[Noraa]

no that's not my point. My point is that red seems to be SRing us for being the most present in the thread. A lot of people haven't talked much yet. It's not the best to SR the only people talking in the thread day 1 cuz they arent scum for talking a lot. Red has no reasons so I can only assume this is the reason and its a dumb one. Thats my point. My point is not "I talk a lot so I'm town"

[Noraa]

You didn't specify it was a gut read or that it was conditional. You just said I'm down for a shelly or Noraa lim today. And also where tf does scum!Noraa bus day 1?

[Noraa]

^and u said it right after u "TRed" me

[Noraa]

I already clarified this exact point with echo. Don't use it again. My problem is the way you did things. you TR me but then say ur fine if I get limmed today. Shortly after you announce that its a SR now for no specific reason. You don't back up anything and instead shade me saying that I'm expecting people to TR me for talking a lot :/

[Noraa]

Then u also backtrack and say its a gut read :/

[Noraa]

VOTE: redcardinal

[Noraa]

Town
redcardinal
titus
NPOM
username

TBD
everyone else

dont really like "free pass because i post a lot" either way

I never said I need a "free pass because i post a lot" If anyone accuses me of this again, they get a scum lean for it. I never said it and y'all r twisting my words. I understand if people misunderstood but ive explained it twice now so stop with this argument.

Lel I disappeared off the TR list for no apparent reason except something that I already explained twice was a misrepresentation of my words. Shellys def not town this round.

[Noraa]

That was not reevaluation. That was not caring if town got mislimmed.

[Noraa]

I've thought you were scum since long ago. Doesn't have anything to do with reevaluating not to mention you did have the worst reason to remove me from ur TRs.

No. The events go down like this:
Red TRs me
Then Red says its fine to lim me
ten billion posts later they say they SR me

[Noraa]

You know what scratch all that. I misread red's post. I thought it said to kill herta, shelly, or me and that was the order of preference

[Noraa]

I didn't realize it said to kill me if shelly flips red

[Noraa]

that logics still trash cuz red shelly flip does not equal scum!Noraa but anyways that does make much more sense than what I originally thought it meant

[Noraa]

...

ok now tell me why you think me re-evaluating YOU because your reaction to being put in a lynchpool was bad and because high level of confidence early game is >rand chance of scum

you never explained it which is scummy but either way my SR on u is not solely bc of that so there's no point in pushing at one point that u think is weak.

[Noraa]

sure if you wanna say it super meanly, yes

[Noraa]

I don't buy it

[Noraa]

If you're town tunnel visioning in a TvT conflict is useless and you've been in quite a few TvT conflicts recently as far as I know

alert: ongoing games

u can't say anything about those + I haven't flipped so u dk

[Noraa]

alert: ongoing games

u can't say anything about those + I haven't flipped so u dk

nah not ongoing games, I think in newbie 2029 you were on all the town elims? didnt read through most of it though

.....uhhhh there were three elims. 1st one I hammered scum. 2nd one I unvoted town too late(I was the E-1 vote on plusjoyed). 3rd one I put last scum at E-1.

[Noraa]

There were no TvT fights that you *claim* happened

[Noraa]

noraa shelly how do you feel about a townbloc

why are you asking two people you SR to to be ur town block? I admit I completely misread the other post which got me really confused but I'm reading this right. Im certain you haven't switched either of us to a TR.

I didn't realize it said to kill me if shelly flips red

noraa darling i told you this
then red even confirmed it

yeah I don't really listen. Jellyfish uk how I am -___- I'm listening but not really <.<

When on this site, on any site, have you seen a literal scum claim at the beginning of a game?

This is daft. You didn't like how I answered your question, so you called me newbscum or an alt. I said yeah must be newbscum. Boom you jump right into dancing the dance of joy. This is so surface level it's painful.

We've got enough scum factions probably that the whole game is going to be like this, people jumping on everything they see.

ok fine lets just ignore the scumslip

the way where I pressured you about it was "hey whatever" and that's not a town response at all to being said as "scumslipping". you have no concern over the elimination.

like your post when I asked about your thoughts is still IIoA. and basically what you did over the game was say our scumhunting style by asking who is scum is bad. which isnt a read or solving

Ok so I found this whole thing to kinda be Herta joking around(cuz they are right generally scums don't claim d1-___-) and then underestimating the amount of attention it would rack up. I think they kinda like ... expected everyone to take it as a snarky joke and didn't put too much thought into the followup wagon.

Shelly I feel like loves to "be very confident" which is the opposite of me. I think its not AI. Don't get me wrong. The vibe still reminds me of her scum games so I'm still sticking with that but the being really certain she found scum thing definitely isnt AI.

[Noraa]

noraa shelly how do you feel about a townbloc

why are you asking two people you SR to to be ur town block? I admit I completely misread the other post which got me really confused but I'm reading this right. Im certain you haven't switched either of us to a TR.

For emphasis on the important part, this followup post was made

[Noraa]

Herta, maybe try explaining the scum claim that led to your wagon instead of just complaining about it

Alright, how about this:


Yeah, sounds like newbscum to me.

try again

[Noraa]

VOTE: assemblerotws
baby come back

echo's hunting for soulmates. tryina get all the single pringles by calling them baby -______-

this was a joke btw in case anyone didn't get it

[Noraa]

Nah Shelly's backtracking is scum indicative too. Trying to pocket me by handing me a town pass then immediately backing off when I say this is what she does in all her scum games. Lel I found one scum day 1. It'll be proven post game where I can go make fun of shelly welly :3

But I think this Herta wagon, thought it has somewhat good reasons backing it up, will not go thru. The reason is that Herta was joking and honestly, not being that engaged and willing to defend isn't necessarily a scumtell. Im interested in hearing from the replacement. Echo is prolly town here bc of his paranoia when evaluating shelly since that's exactly how I felt. So far, I really like Primate's analysis and reads on the game. They seem to have a pretty solid town mindset.

My town block rn: Noraa, Echo, Primate, NPOM

Scum: Shelly

[Noraa]

*cautiously enters thread then quickly runs away from the scary jellyfishie*

[Noraa]

wolf oo faction slip?

+1

Seriously?

My thoughts are very very similar to Primates. I feel like Primate speaks my mind half the time lmao.

Firmly in my town block.

[Noraa]

my logic for reading most of the players today keeps feeling very wifomy, but I have a slight feeling that shelly and noraa are town which makes me think primate is also probably town, even though I get scummy vibes from primate in a vacuum. Herta is still scum, idk about this talk about how herta won't be the lynch, I'm sitting here for now

flip floppy lot

[Noraa]

picking on a newb isn't very nice shelly

[Noraa]

Mafia isn't about being nice it's about finding scum.

my point was not "be nice you assholes"
my point was moreso implying that shelly was purposefully picking on a newbie bc setting those up as limbait is generally very easy.

[Noraa]

their tone is newbie tone. if shelly is scum like I think she is, then imo here she is just setting up limbait

[Noraa]

noraa why is your vote still on me and not putting herta on l1 please explain

I don't particularly think herta is scum.

[Noraa]

Why does it feel like you're goving up Herta?

If Herta flips red, this point is valid. If not, it's not.

[Noraa]

I don’t have an opinion on shelly v. Noraa, but yikes. Look at shelly’s record and she might make a good policy elim.

I feel like I’ll know more after a flip, and night actions start flying. That will allow us at least to count the scum factions, maybe

while I want a shelly lim for meta reasons, I dont approve of policy lims. they r absolute bs but I think ur town if shelly is scum bc u wouldn't do ur scum partner dirty like that .... most likely.

Why does it feel like you're goving up Herta?

If Herta flips red, this point is valid. If not, it's not.

Elaborate please for those of us who can't connect the dots. On my green flip you're going to scum read Titus? I don't know how you can attribute that to her comment.

not sure what "goving up" is but I assumed it means like pocketing/buddying/siding with. If ur scum, then my defense on u is fishy. If ur town, then my defense isnt fishy. I felt like Titus was doing pre flip analysis and I didnt like it.

So uh

It kind of feels like the day is winding down. I was hoping Herta would convince us to move the wagon but it looks like he won’t.

I don’t know what to do except wait for the prods/replacements to catch up. I’m still willing to hammer herta if it comes to it but I’d like to hear from ico and assemble before that happens.

I don’t have an opinion on shelly v. Noraa, but yikes. Look at shelly’s record and she might make a good policy elim.

I feel like I’ll know more after a flip, and night actions start flying. That will allow us at least to count the scum factions, maybe

VOTE: Rannygazoo

There's plenty to do and read, this is an attempt to stuff the town and act as if nothing's happening today, extremely scum motivated. obviously sees shelly as lynch bait but doesn't want to bite the line normally, also I hate policy elims. Herta's posts above satisfy me with that slot for now.

this sliding onto the biggest wagon is not rubbing me the right way. It feels unnatural. And you over-explaining isn't helping.

titus talk me through why ranny votes me and not hecta here when he's said that he sr's hecta and just wants to hammer
scum from a diff faction (if multi which i feel like it has to be) looking for hammer, and thus likely not association with the red flip?

interesting post to look at if ranny ever flips red.

[Noraa]

I was not aware that rannygazoo was the biggest wagon. I was under the impression that herta was. yknow, the wagon that I started. would you prefer that I explain less? get on titus for that.

nah ranny wasn't the biggest wagon. What I meant was that it was the one with the most potential at the time. but also why so defensive?

[Noraa]

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i want a vc so i can vote ranny and not feel bad

you just defended ranny and called them town and now u flip just like that?

[Noraa]

Why would you feel bad about voting a scumread?

also this as well. good catch.

[Noraa]

I wasn’t being serious about a policy elim on shelly. I was just remarking that she seems lucky in rolling scum frequently, and then going on to win.

Not a real reason for a day 1 elim, but definitely something to be cautious about if you end up townreading her.

how much u roll scum is not in ur control therefore its a terrible thing to base any argument off of.

why mention her being a good policy elim then if you're not serious? rolling scum often has zero bearing on being scummy, you seem to be copying noraa without understanding the core of her argument

I do like this post. Matches my thoughts exactly.

also yikes, rereading that one post I did come off pretty aggressive. I meant that to be more casually sarcastic than rude. I do think that overexplaining is good for town though.

and on that same note, I don't like titus just jumping right on there with no explanation

For the above two posts, red cardinal is in my TRs. I like the attitude-its very towny and I believe you believe explaining is good.

That doesn’t mean anything. You can get elimmed in a way that sets up your team to win.

@NPOM do you post fluff in every game?

I dont see the point in bringing a lot of attention a conftown slot(at least rn they are conftown)?

[Noraa]

how much u roll scum is not in ur control therefore its a terrible thing to base any argument off of.

I was talking about how often she wins as scum, not how often the rolls scum. Please don’t misrepresent me like this.

we should not have a bias even if she wins more as scum. otherwise out subconscious will eventually basically start thinking wining as scum a lot = is scum a lot.

I dont see the point in bringing a lot of attention a conftown slot(at least rn they are conftown)?

Garbage opinion. No one is conftown.

they are basically conftown rn and there's no point in doing anything to that slot unless proven otherwise

[Noraa]

I've been accused of having short posts but I think that's a good thing and not a bad thing.

why is it a good thing? im not interested in engaging u too much but im curious

[Noraa]

aha im the opposite. but I suppose having long posts doesnt necessarily mean they "shit around"

[Noraa]

the people won't read it part is very accurate.
intention yeah I could see why.

Noraa liked the above post

[Noraa]

For the above two posts, red cardinal is in my TRs. I like the attitude-its very towny and I believe you believe explaining is good.

noraa what is this inconsistency, did I finally manage to talk you out of scum!redcardinal

nice way to throw a little shade at me, scum!shelly. no it has nothing to do with u.

The timing on 433-436 for redcardinal is town indicative. It shows a free flow of thought.

stream of consciousness is like, one of the thing that i use a LOT as scum

why are you giving townpasses for random reasons. this is probably tmi.

this is not tmi -____________________________________________________-

I just feel this is town pushing on town. I don't see anyone trying to defend Herta. I'll hammer to get the game going, I just think scum are coasting here.

Yeah, the wagons today have been interesting. It's kind of back to normal now but it was notably slow in doing so.

NPOM is pretty tiresome.

Herta is scummier than ranny. I like the ranny wagon though.

Town vibes from EV.

RC went weird for a bit then recovered.

Shelly may actually be scum, I'm more open to that idea now.

why is NPOM tiresome? Im liking that slot actually.

Herta is meh. Ranny is also meh. Im not vibing with the lead wagons here.
who is EV. who is RC.
Why shelly?(I agree but I would like to ask why)

[Noraa]

ev is me
echo
vision

rc is redcardinal
red
cardinal

ewwwwwww call echovision echo or jellyfishie cuz those r definitely superior.
redcardinal meh u can go with rc

[Noraa]

something about primate's interaction with noraa and shelly put me off but I can't remember what

u think primate is scum?I don't think so. I vibe well with this player.

[Noraa]

what?

[Noraa]

Im still not clear. u have flip flopped so much I don't even know anymore. u scum reading me or no?

[Noraa]

Literally wtf. I was telling you what I thought, and I said I can go through the iso and try to improve my case.

You asked me when I

started

to scumread her and why. I could have done the iso dive first (which is normally what people do when making a case against someone), but then it wouldn’t have been an honest answer to your question as you stated it.

“I don’t decide who I’m going to accuse first and then come up with reasons later.“

Is NOT the same thing as

“I’m incapable of improving my reads by doing a deeper analysis.”

I’m so misunderstood. Woe is me.

*sigh*
I'm inclined to believe this is a townie in hot water cuz the reaction seems somewhat genuine and actually upset/angry. I tend to be biased towards day 1 lims bc 1) no one really reacts well to day 1 pressure and 2) I have actually never seen scum get limmed day 1 except this one time where I was JKer and a dude that was at E-1 claimed JKer so I hammered him.

Also .... don't say woe is me. that just makes u sound dumbbbbbbb(and I mean this in the nicest way possible)

[Noraa]

I believe the anger and emotions.

[Noraa]

sure its easy to fake but I mean when I'm angry I sound hella fake as well so I'm not one to judge.

[Noraa]

I do know that scum can be legit angry but I generally think that town is more easily angered

[Noraa]

Idk. I feel the anger is real and generally is more likely to come from town but that definitely isnt enough to prove Ranny is town.

[Noraa]

But also generally town players like Ranny get better as the days go on. They generally create better content in like limlo and stuff.

[Noraa]

Idk if we need a lim and that's the consensus, I'm down. But I personally am a little bit hesitant about it. Then again not getting a no-lim is the top priority

[Noraa]

I don't even know what kind of player ranny is tbh :/

[Noraa]

sup homies now can someone tell me what the Ranny wagon is on about.
Noraa saying "fine with ranny" but defending them is weirdly fence-sitty.

pedit: nahhhh I'm town.

No no it's not. It means I will do anything to not get no lim but the lead wagon I dont agree with. Neither contradicts the other in any way so its not fence sitty at all. Dont throw shade at me for no reason.

Shelley might be scum...

expand. this is where I would like to go but I haven't pushed it much cuz I only have meta reasons and I dont feel like town is willing to buy meta reasons since they are rather ... weak.

[Noraa]

My favorite lim for today is shelly. I have heard all the cases on the major wagons(herta and ranny) but I dont feel that strongly on either of those two whereas I feel extremely strongly on shelly. I agree meta reasons are trash but if everyone else is starting to get the same scum vibes, I will push that wagon hard.

[Noraa]

I do have a history of pushing and tunneling town hard but I dont think I've ever felt this strongly about a read at the beginning of a game. Either way, I'm willing to go on ranny or herta to avoid no-lim but my preferred wagon throughout this entire game has solidly been shelly.

[Noraa]

I feel like her reaction to my SR also hasn't been right. She has constantly threw shade at me saying that I tunnel town and all kinds of other shade. If she was town the reactions would be WHY. TELL ME WHY. WHY AM I SCUM? BC OF UR CRAPPY META REASONS? etc etc. she would question my SR much more if she were town but as scum, she knows I'm right so instead she just throws shade at me to discredit my opinions.

[Noraa]

good point. shelly says I'm being fence sitty yet susses and doesnt vote.
BTW its shelly not shelley

[Noraa]

Im not even convinced ranny is town myself.
ranny is a null for me rn

[Noraa]

I dont wanna lim a null. one sec. wait a bit. I'm in class rn.

[Noraa]

Alright I'm back on a break. Basically I think Ranny could be scum or town atm and I'm not at all sure which he is. I may be slightly leaning town but definitely not enough to stop me from hammering in case the deadline creeps up. (basically if I believe in a TR enough its actually possible that I'll choose no-lim over that TR but generally if I believe in it that strongly, the person doesn't ever make it to E-1 :/) Ranny's anger/frustration reminded me lots of myself when I am in hot water as town. Easy to fake as scum, I agree. But I'm not convinced he's town or scum atm and due to the frustration he expressed, I slightly lean town there.

[Noraa]

His reaction to the pressure has been bad, I agree. But generally town doesnt react good to day 1 pressure either so idk. I could be swayed by good reasoning but currently, no one has successfully persuaded me into believing in a scum!ranny.

[Noraa]

Rather than rereading 24 pages, would an ISO suffice?
Im willing to ISO ranny

[Noraa]

if ranny flips town shelly is suspicious as hell

why? you are TRing her bc she's on ranny but ur saying if ranny is green .... she is red?

[Noraa]

Also imma ISO ranny rn

[Noraa]

I skimmed it and ... idk. I just dont see anything that pings town or scum. I am very null on this slot. I sincerely dont see anything that pings me either way :/

[Noraa]

I thought she was on ranny?

[Noraa]

goddamnit my memory sucks. time to iso shelly too

[Noraa]

ok so shelly is still on herta but constantly throwing shade at ranny. interesting.

[Noraa]

if ranny flips town shelly is suspicious as hell

tho I must say if ranny ever flips green, I'm sussing u for this post. you are the one that is one rannys wagon yet you say if he flips green, someone else is sus. this feels like really early deflecting. you best hope ranny flips red bc I will be really sus of u if ranny flips green.

[Noraa]

Well I do agree but I feel like you are trying to say Aha I caught scum but wait there's a twist. If this ones not scum, this one is!

idk I just feel like the way ur saying it sounds very deflecty and I'm a little worried that you are scum because of it.

[Noraa]

Sorry peoples for changing my avatar. be bamboozled for a bit.

[Noraa]

MURDERCAT replaces Assemble!

OML MURDER. WELCOME!

[Noraa]

NPOM claimed gravedigger
herta threw shade at NPOM and had a "scum slip" so herta was a big wagon
then ranny started being weird so now rannys a wagon
red, titus, and I are on basically the same boat(for the most part)
shelly is being scummy
primate's play I like
everyone else is lurking

[Noraa]

who was ur slot even voting?

[Noraa]

I remember people talked about assemble but I actually have zero memory of that slot even existing

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

noraa you're confbiased

welcome murder

huh no I'm not

[Noraa]

huh no I'm not

this is the noraa case against me:
"player X is scum because they're playing in a protown way"
"player X is scum because they're sussing me"
"Noraa votes redcardinal"
"ah but I'm sussing player Y because they sus player X"

uhhhhh no this is not an accurate representation of my play this game.

noraa if your prefered wagon is me why is your vote not on me
why are you sussing me for playing in a as you put it, "Protown" way
says meta is trash but uses it themselves
misreps by saying I'm not voting when I'm voting clearly on herta and I've made it clear that herta is my preferred wagon

this is a classic case of confbias.

I said ur not voting ranny who you throw shade at. If anything you are misrepping my posts

[Noraa]

You're just throwing more shade at me.
Red, Titus and I are definitely overall on the same boat.

[Noraa]

I am not voting you correct and thats because I felt I wasn't going to be able to push a shelly lim even tho I am very certain of it. The reason is that I think ur entrance only pinged me hard but no one else was pinged by it so I figured it was a vanity wagon that I shouldn't start.

[Noraa]

the next step is to sort noraa which i cant because noraa's actually a pretty good scumplayer

also their trajectories as town are super weird and (no offense) incapable of obvtowning a lot of the time

you found the need to add on that its actually *GASP* possible that I am town?
I just think ur scum that realized u threw too much shade and backtracked like this

[Noraa]

I am not voting you correct and thats because I felt I wasn't going to be able to push a shelly lim even tho I am very certain of it. The reason is that I think ur entrance only pinged me hard but no one else was pinged by it so I figured it was a vanity wagon that I shouldn't start.

uhhhh

if you're so confident in scum!shelly you should case me and attack me with all your might instead of pursuing other targets
you said you were near 100% certain on me

and here you're also self reflective that honestly my entrance may not be pingy to others, indicating that you are once again confbiased, fitting the reads to the evidence instead of vice versa

also why are pedits turned off now???

No. I think my scum!shelly read is correct but I have not felt that anyone else really agrees so rather than pushing a vanity wagon, I have decided to try to solve the other slots.

i kinda think noraa is scum who is incapable to make other reads other than scum!me because town!me fits the usual scummy archetype and fence-sitting on everyone else

that free town pass of urs sure was paper thin.

yes

Noraa constantly says herta/ranny are "not preferred" and "meh"
lightbulb moment that the solve is Noraa/herta/ranny (?)

yes yes thats obviously the solve.
{two of day 1's biggest wagon + someone that is susses shelly}

[Noraa]

^I cant type today. god knows why

[Noraa]

I mean you should know from Roses that town Noraa can produce bad tunneled reads, what makes you think this is different?

No I'm certain its not wrong. I've never ever had such strong gut/meta reads day 1. NEVER.

[Noraa]

I tunneled echo at the end bc I thought he was scum that tmi'ed. this is drastically different

[Noraa]

Im not engaging you any more. I've made it clear that I think you are scum but rn you are a vanity wagon so stop asking me.

[Noraa]

haha thanks! courtesy to panzer in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=83480&start=250

[Noraa]

I'd like an answer to this.

I believe this is normal Noraa voting behavior

I dont remember where exactly this was but I think it was when I didn't understand/know what a gravedigger was and I just thought it was some important pr and was like wtf y would u claim?

I think I'm clicking with primate on page 6

Good. Primate is in my town block so I like that you click with him.

Herta giving off major "you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibes here.

keeping my vote where it is for now, because a) i don't know how close Herta is to execution, and b) Assemble has given me no reason to stop wanting to vote him, but Herta wagon is good wagon.

I do agree with this

I did not agree with this. anyone want to go back to the herta thing and explain to me a bit about the "caught for the wrong reasons" thing?

[Noraa]

Ah so its a subjective type of thing. If you choose to see a scum!herta, this is scummy yet if you choose to see a town!herta, it is merely an upset townie

[Noraa]

Fair point. I've been having a hard time reading people lately as I realize that I react really weirdly to pressure at times which can get me a shit ton of SRs. I feel like its kind of like you mess up once and you just keep messing up until town mislims u. I struggle with reading flailing bc I flail as town more than I actually flail as scum. Idk its a big struggle for me to understand to what extent these are scum tells. I can see why Herta is really fishy now so ig I'd be more willing to go there than to go to ranny for now.

[Noraa]

Fair point. I've been having a hard time reading people lately as I realize that I react really weirdly to pressure at times which can get me a shit ton of SRs. I feel like its kind of like you mess up once and you just keep messing up until town mislims u. I struggle with reading flailing bc I flail as town more than I actually flail as scum. Idk its a big struggle for me to understand to what extent these are scum tells. I can see why Herta is really fishy now so ig I'd be more willing to go there than to go to ranny for now.

[Noraa]

Oh wait why am I still on red cardinal?

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

I think its time to start this wagon. I'm not a fan of the other two tho I'm willing to be a space filler on those wagons if need be.

VOTE: Shelly

this one is 100% not town imo. Not sure if she's scum but I'm certain she is not town. she could be like a werewolf or some other weird shit but I'm really sure she isnt town.

[Noraa]

I think its time to start this wagon. I'm not a fan of the other two tho I'm willing to be a space filler on those wagons if need be.

VOTE: Shelly

this one is 100% not town imo. Not sure if she's scum but I'm certain she is not town. she could be like a werewolf or some other weird shit but I'm really sure she isnt town.

smh only voting after i gave you shit for not voting her

plenty of people have gave me shit for not voting her.

[Noraa]

yes

Noraa constantly says herta/ranny are "not preferred" and "meh"
lightbulb moment that the solve is Noraa/herta/ranny (?)

You think Noraa is partners with me and ranny, right?

grouping people like this is what I do as scum. not AI ... yet. We'll see where you go with this tho.

Last series of posts from echo ping me. Many posts little content.

..........thats kinda how jellyfish work

[Noraa]

I think echo seems pretty towny to me but I don't know his scum game well

I second this

[Noraa]

Honestly feeling after page 20 that Herta and Ranny are easy pushes and we might want to lim elsewhere

oooooooooooooooooooooo this is very much how I feel

[Noraa]

shelly thinks the solve is ranny/herta/noraa lmaoooooooooooo

[Noraa]

she TRed me at the beginning and I immediately accused her of pocketing and then I became a "tbd"
then I became a TR again for ???? reason
then I was tbd again
then I was a SR
and now somehow a solve of ranny/herta/noraa spawned out of nowhere

[Noraa]

basically ranny/herta/noraa = big wagon number 1/big wagon number 2/only person that's been sussing shelly big time

LMFAO

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

ok username effort to sort ranny is prob!town

noraa is gut-town

I don't think I've ever seen u TR me straight off the bat before

so now im more clear about your play across various games, I have a good ~vibe~ from them, they claimed town and I think it's real lol
answer to titus redas geniune

*reads

also noraa is often explicitly *confused* and if they were in a scum PT I think they would have more direction on how to approach this rather than being confused about the factions

shelly didn't I play the ~confused~ card hard in doggos tho? :3

the key is tone. this is proooobably your first ever theme or something

see the reactions towards me giving you a gut-TR, it's trying to doubt me / point out logical flaws. scum upon TR'd doesnt do that

I do not fucking accept free town passes. this is the way scum shelly pockets. I'll bet you post game the scum pt will say something like "I can pocket Noraa"

[Noraa]

Ranny is still a good wagon.

NPOM could be a good yeet today

what what wtf why?

[Noraa]

I personally think there's no point in looking into him too much unless something proves he isnt what he claims he is.

[Noraa]

I do remember pooky claiming ascetic peacemaker. I also remember being the only one that didn't believe it.

[Noraa]

I personally think there's no point in looking into him too much unless something proves he isnt what he claims he is.

What would prove it? Tracking there is 99% waste, as he is 99% werewolf gravedigger or town gravedigger. If we track there and get a visit it still tells us nothing. Rolecop is similarly useless. We absolutely can't give that claim a free pass

anyone want to fill me in on what werewolves even are(in this context ofc)

cuz I think ik what vampires r. those r like u can convert one person per night and if u hit like a vampire hunter, u die and shit like that. But I've never actually heard of werewolves before :/

[Noraa]

so they'd have to kill each other to win? dayum that's hard.

[Noraa]

and also messy if that's what we have here :/

[Noraa]

*sigh*
ok murder what do you suggest we do about NPOM then?

[Noraa]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

idk what to think about user being this ... scummy. I'll have more on this after a certain game ends.

[Noraa]

This game is hard to solve.

uh
its day 1
no shit

[Noraa]

VOTE: redcardinal
They seem more interested in “let’s get an elim, as long as it’s not me” rather than actually choosing right.

I do not see this. explain.

[Noraa]

VOTE: redcardinal
They seem more interested in “let’s get an elim, as long as it’s not me” rather than actually choosing right.

I caught this as well

nvm ranny don't explain. Murder explain instead. The only thing I've found fishy there(overall) is that red called me "locktown"
I have a hard time believing anyone is locktown day 1 from any perspective besides scums. But the problem is that there's other factions so technically ... not everyone is locktown EVEN from scums perspective.

I would assume that even tho the setup is all funky ... there's definitely still gonna be scums not just like werewolves and aliens and that's it or stuff like that

[Noraa]

I like murdercat's logic for voting npom would be okay doing that today

This just sticks out to me because not even I am calling for NPOM's head at the moment and I don't remember Red really having anything to say about NPOM before

I think red actually agreed with my reasoning on NPOM

[Noraa]

well .... peacemaker isnt even a role

[Noraa]

there's a difference

[Noraa]

fuck that was an actual role?

[Noraa]

Is there any way to prove NPOM is not what he claims to be besides just limming him?

[Noraa]

what kind of prs can confirm this?

[Noraa]

rip I didnt see the pedit

[Noraa]

what is seer? is it an important role? if not, they should use their thing on NPOM tonight and out tomorrow to confirmed two townies

[Noraa]

I just think that’s a waste of a night and it wastefully exposes a PR if town can sort NPOM without.

no if an unimportant pr can clear him, we have two conftowns.

[Noraa]

Seer is cop for werewolves. It's good to use on NPOM I think but should only out with a guilty

ohh so they wouldn't out cuz we would kill them if they outed :/

[Noraa]

town would kill a werewolf if a werewolf outed, no?

[Noraa]

Seer is a town role who finds werewolves

[Noraa]

*sigh* murder u did not explain this well. I thought seer was a werewolf role

[Noraa]

go away! >:(

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

@Murdercat, your readwall please.

Why do uou seem overly focused on NPOM?

I'm LHF, of course.

@Murdercat, your readwall please.

Why do uou seem overly focused on NPOM?

I just feel like everyone is ignoring the slot at the moment

There's a reason for that. Is it better to focus on setup WIFOM or actual scumhunting?

Frankly embarrassed for town that it took us so long to realize that there’s a scum gravedigger

this whole convo is actually so sad

[Noraa]

1) NPOM no ur not LHF
2) ranny why tf r u so confident NPOM is scum?

[Noraa]

HOLY FUCK I LOVE MY AVI BEING BACK

[Noraa]

There's a reason for that. Is it better to focus on setup WIFOM or actual scumhunting?

This is why I don't like your posts. What scum hunting are you doing? You saw the misconceptions that Noraa had that

I

had to clear up even though the claim happened page 1. Honestly it makes me concerns that Titus is scum because I know she is a strong player and I feel like she should be leading more

Titus is a strong player? O_o

[Noraa]

Frankly embarrassed for town that it took us so long to realize that there’s a scum gravedigger

then what's this supposed to mean

[Noraa]

heads up that im repping out

can't manage this game atm

i think murder/primate/red/echo/username are all town, we townblock there, i retract my earlier solve, still not sure noraa is town, there's nothing as LHF and occams is the way, nuke herta NOW.

My SR is shaking. Shelly welly loves being scum. If she rolled scum, she wouldn't rep out is what I'm thinking. Mmmmm I'm not too sure about my SR here but its definitely still my strongest SR no matter what.

This is kind of sad, I'd hopped I'd be able to breathe some life into the game but I guess we are waiting on replacements now

you are breathing life into this game dw. We'll get replacements and all will be fine

I'm LHF, of course.

Stop with that. You're not LHF. Your claim is protecting you right now. Your posting isn't doing you any favors.

HOLY FUCK I LOVE MY AVI BEING BACK

I was digging the new one, but this one is good too.

Im sorry but why does ur catchup highlight all the most unimportant stuff? And also there's pages and pages of stuff that u just completely ignored and decided instead to cherrypick out some of the most useless quotes ever -______________-
dude. SR for u.

[Noraa]

how much u roll scum is not in ur control therefore its a terrible thing to base any argument off of.

I was talking about how often she wins as scum, not how often the rolls scum. Please don’t misrepresent me like this.

I dont see the point in bringing a lot of attention a conftown slot(at least rn they are conftown)?

Garbage opinion. No one is conftown.

Ur strongest TR is me? there was no previous mention of this so I will classify it as sheeping consensus reads.

[Noraa]

Echo?

[Noraa]

Hi plus!!

[Noraa]

well technically you still need to post us a catch up post of who is scum and stuff.

[Noraa]

Am I scum Italiano?

[Noraa]

Am I scum Italiano?

You scared?

You could be. I know your scum game is pretty much your town game, so I’m not trusting you, but I still like how you post. I think the genuine feel to your posts is NAI.

hmm is that so? I am informed that my scum game is not my town game at all so I'm not trusting you I feel like you shaded and buddied me all in the same post. That's a bit unfair tho I still pretty firmly believe ur slot is scum. Shelly welly repping out of a scum slot is quite strange I will say but those first few pages did not rub me the right way.

something felt off with Noraa from my reread too, might look at her iso and see if i can pin down what it is that's bothering me.

This sentence highlights why I dislike playing with people that I have played with me before.

[Noraa]

*take out the me

[Noraa]

Scum or Anti-town: Ranny, red, username, NPOM

eeeeexplain

[Noraa]

Scum or Anti-town: Ranny, red, username, NPOM

So every existing wagon except for one.

You must have a lot of faith in town.

Ranny has a fair point here ngl. u low-key just sheeped consensus reads :/

[Noraa]

I’ve found that the feel of your posts don’t change. And it’s Day 1, I’m sure I’ll be able to sort you once we have some flips and nightkills.

I have great doubt you can read me as no one has successfully read me so far in my ms career. the feel changes .. imo We'll see. I still have huge suspicions on you because of shelly welly's opening. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if ur slot flipped red or some werewolf weirdass faction.

[Noraa]

I think you know very well what I'm asking for tbh. Btw you dont happen to be an alt of Hectic do u? O_o
Ur vibes do be vibing hectic vibes

[Noraa]

If you flip green?

ok ouch

[Noraa]

I am Town Fruit Vendor. I'll visit <a townread that I hope won't be killed at night> to prove myself.

@Italiano: look at me I'm so town

can't fruit vendors be scum?

Please unvote before scum quickhammers. Give town a chance to discuss.

do this for now.

I think you know very well what I'm asking for tbh. Btw you dont happen to be an alt of Hectic do u? O_o
Ur vibes do be vibing hectic vibes

Nah, I don’t know who a Hectic is. But I looked him up and he seems like a cool dude. We’d probably get along.

I’m not trying to be difficult. Are you asking to explain why I have those players in my anti-town/scum field or to explain my anti-town/scum field? It’s not the same.

Love Hectic. He chill . I'm asking for explanations on ur SRs.

[Noraa]

someone should unvote cuz town fruit vendor is indeed possible. No way to prove it but it'd be dumb to lim someone who claims a provable power role today.

[Noraa]

Let's leave Ranny. If he survives til limlo, its probably more helpful for town. If he gets nightkilled, we look at his wagon and we get our setup cleared up a bit more.

[Noraa]

I’m thinking so. I wonder what Noraa and Echo think? They said they know him.

This entrance does not clear him by any means. If you want to use a lame entrance and something someone said while under no pressure to clear, chances are that it won't work out cuz those r weak reasons to begin with.

ill vote ranny

joining the biggest wagon with no reason does not bode well with me though it does seem town!you sometimes does that as well. I'd like an explanation regardless.

We have him confirm. It's one day. Then we know that he's screwed if he's ever the last scum on his team.

this is exactly my reasoning as well. (technically I just sheeped Titus here but I think the point is reasonable)

I'm here.

I think murdercats introduction to the game has been good and is fairly townie.

I don't think NPOM is scummy, just unhelpful. I think expecting him to be cleared via role based stuff is too hopeful.

Shelly replacing out is annoying. I don't think it's NAI but I'm going to treat it as if it is for meta reasons. ItalianoVD's introduction to the game is null.

Iconeum's intro posts are scummy but it's kind of a shit situation where it's kind of always going to seem that way.

I still think Herta is scummy and I don't understand townreads there.

When I first started rereading I was getting scumvibes from redcardinal but I don't have them anymore, actually her content is fine.

IAMAU is giving off good player vibes and I have a massive null on that slot.

I've posted basically the most yet I get excluded from your reads list. if I was a lurker it would be understandable but I'm not. Explain.

UNVOTE:
fair enough

this backtracking?

going off low info but
i dont like ranny's claim myself
VOTE: ranny
believe this is e-1?

no a reason like this will not cut it. I want more.

[Noraa]

And how am I "obviously town"?
I remember ur past reads did not by any means reflect that

[Noraa]

I guess there isn’t one since no one cc’d

this is just weird. why would a mafia fruit vendor out to kill you today?

[Noraa]

Ur literally likely gonna die even if no one cc's

[Noraa]

if there's a mafia fruit vendor(assuming that you are the town fruit vendor), their best bet is just to play it off as vanilla town rn cuz two town fruit vendors is impossible and even if they out to get u killed, they die tmrw and one scum for one town aint a fair trade

[Noraa]

I am an Innocent Child

Rannygazoo is confirmed to be aligned with the Town!

btw what does this mean? it means he is a innocent child?

[Noraa]

*an

[Noraa]

what's an innocent child?

[Noraa]

btw people unvote ranny

[Noraa]

if there's a mafia fruit vendor(assuming that you are the town fruit vendor), their best bet is just to play it off as vanilla town rn cuz two town fruit vendors is impossible and even if they out to get u killed, they die tmrw and one scum for one town aint a fair trade

You’re right, it makes more sense to just act like a goon in that scenario

I feel like this isn’t the think to dwell on today, though

Yeah I didn't see mod's post confirming u as town but anyways ur town and that's that

[Noraa]

dayum that's hella cool. someday someone needs to give me that role and I shall survive til limlo and whoop scums asses

[Noraa]

anyways why the wagon on user?

[Noraa]

Why tell people to get off Ranny if you didn't see the wagon.

wdym?