Mini #643: Time Capsule Mafia, Game Over

[Knight of Cydonia]

jayfin had a big post, couldn't be arsed to reqrite it, and buggered off. Which leaves me.

[Knight of Cydonia]

And the equilibrium of internet and ego is restored.
THe truth is, my friend, this forum quits you, because you're shit.

Anyway, reading up now. Iceman's jump on the clammy wagon jumped out at me as well, Rotten, but I'd hate to base an attack on that, since Batt did so as well.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yees it is, because you bought a crap computer.
Ha.

[Knight of Cydonia]

True. I'm still trying to get into this game, to be honest, replacing is never easy, but this game seems to have been slightly stalled by paper/massclaim discussions, and then jayfin buggering off.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Right, I've read through... I can see the roffman case, although it seems a little arbitrary - he could well just agree with your case on MLF.
Clammy does appear to be trying to shift focus, but it could just be he genuinely thinks Roffman is more likely scum than MLF.
I however, have no such qualms. "I didn't see the L-1 vote" is a pretty poor excuse, and MLF looks like he might have been hoping that the rest of the town would say "Only scum self-vote, ZOMG!" and let him off.

Vote: MLF

[Knight of Cydonia]

1. Not really.
2. Run out of excuses?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Anyone who hasn't, vote ASAP, please. Moar Content plz.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ugh. Roffman, I could have almost believed you, or at least found you less scummy than MLF's "I didn't meann tooo!" Hammer, but that little interchange reeks of scum back-tracking and trying to cover up previous indiscretions, IMHO.

unvote; Vote Roffman

[Knight of Cydonia]

Please, can we get some activity? anything?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Sorry, School started for me.

Anyway, I'll Vote Roffman.
But I'll ask for a Vote count first so that we don't end the day before we need to.

Considering we're coming close to deadline, why the nervousness about voting Roffman? (it's not bolded, so it don't count) Are you worried that a hammer might make life harder for you?

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote

Just to prevent MLF from hammering and saving his skin for another night, at least.
I didn't realise how close we were to lynch - perhaps that's why MLF didn't bold his vote?

[Knight of Cydonia]

MLF was going to hammer, he slipped up and forgot to bold the Vote Roffman section:

Sorry, School started for me.

Anyway, I'll Vote Roffman.
But I'll ask for a Vote count first so that we don't end the day before we need to.

This would have been hammer. It may only keep roffman going a few hours, but I intend to wait until deadline, and see if anything comes of this cocked-up hammer, rather than let MLF end all discussion.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Huh. Interesting. Re-reading to see what I can make of the crap comment especially. I will say this though - MLF, why did you instantly link it to shit? Isn't that over-complicating? Why couldn't it just mean crap as in crap-logic?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Thnking and doubting paper = good.

Completely dismising paper = bad.

There are town players out there with paper, and they will want to give us information. We should think carefully before we do what some people seem to be doing, which is advocating completely ignoring papers.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Should've read that Ythill voted himself. DX

I honestly don't believe that you missed this. It's far too convenient a hammer.

I think a lynch on Ythill would be fine.
Not sure how we'll go from that in no-reveal though.
Vote Ythill

then

I wasn't aware of him voting himself. D:
I was preparing a post and trying to decide what to say, and I decided to put a vote on to push a claim.

But I was too late and he claimed and voted himself.

then a little later

Based on Ythill's behavior, I'd say I am almost completely convinced that Ythill was Scum.

How would you say I'm attacking Ythill's credibility?

Flip-flop extraordinare.
First you say you're happy with a Ythill lynch, then when pressed on it, you say you really only wanted a claim, then when things have cooled down a little, you go back to calling him scum.

Anyway.. perhaps the word crap would mean using words related to crap?

clammy @ 182 wrote:
I'm voting him for jumping as easy as shit onto the MLF wagon!


jayfin3 @ 223 wrote:
Hey don't be mean. I had a shitload of stuff written up. It's not my fault the computer timed out.


I don't have much after that...

Oh look, you're OMGUSing me by linking crap to shit, and subtly attacking clammy, who was a pretty good lynch candidate at one point yesterday, AFAIR.

Scummy, much?

Vote: MLF

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't believe his excuse because A) it's far too convenient, and the posts look too far apart (I don't believe that in a game where you've mostly quoted and one-lined back, you were really writing a 10 minute post, either) and B) It looks like he's changed his excuse/reasoning behind the hammer twice - from
"I'm fine with a Ythilll lynch" to "I just wanted a claim, thought it was L-1" to "He's almsot definitely scum. That's why I hammered. Honest, guv."
I'm not arguing the simul post issue - I'm stating what I think of it. My opinion is not open for discussion - you have your opinions on whether or not MLF did see it, your choice. I firmly believe him to be scum.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Or we could have had three scum, and both Ythill and Roff were scum.
I'm more inclined to believe your second idea, that roff was scum. I can see him and MLF as partners, simply because all the way to deadline, MLF stated that he would vote Roffman, but never actually did - it's almsot as if he was distancing himself, supporting the lynch, whilst avoiding the attention that another hammer would have brought.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Darox... didn't push the wagon on MLF yesterday. Not ostensibly, at least. Interesting. I'll do a re-read of 'rox, see what I see.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote IcemanE

This is where I would have gone next day if we'd lynched MLF - but, as Yos has so kindly claimed and given us two cleared players, I'll bring it forwards a bit.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Darox... wow. Way to sling mud. You're saying we should lynch them regardless of a fairly believable cop claim, just because you suspect a third party? Awful easy way to get two lynches for scum, if you ask me - especially since we won't know what they are. I think you created that first note, Darox, in order to prepare for a dissimulation technique just like this when a Cop came out with "not mafia" results.

unvote; Vote Darox

[Knight of Cydonia]

I doubt it. Surely the person who wrote that would have known it'd be cut off... either they wanted to induce this kind of puzzling over it, or they were gambling on getting more paper somehow.

[Knight of Cydonia]

He means that surely, in this situation, the town has some pro-town power roles, most likely a coroner as well as Yos's cop claim?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think the coroner could theoretically have a restriction like that, but I find it highly unlikely.

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's possible.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You, Darox, Iceman's softclaim still makes me wonder "OH NOES! IT IS THE BIG BAD POWERFUL ROLE THAT SHALL REMAIN UN-NAMED!" especially given the timing.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote Pacman

Nervous joke voting scum is nervous.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yes, I do.
And I do have ADHD, so I am a little jumpy anyway. Thank you for mocking the retard. [/sarcasm]

[Knight of Cydonia]

Sounds neutral to me. As in, could be used for or against town.

[Knight of Cydonia]

It sounds neutral in that (if i read you rightly) it could help or hinder the town, depending on if/how those seeds bloom.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Can we confirm Yos' saneness? Or, as I increasingly wonder, lack thereof?
I'm willing to give Pacman till '05 if a majority of others is, but I have to admit I'm a bit wondersome about who to lynch now.

unvote

In case I forgot to earlier.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yep, definitely blanks.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yos, who has already claimed, would pick someone, who would then claim, then pick someone else... etcetera. It's useful for certain reasons, and it prevents scum from lurking until the end of claims and posting a role which fits in.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think that would be best. Popcorn from herein.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh boy, are we gonna be here a while.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Townie with 1 piece of paper, which I've yet to use.
I get the feeling there might be a role which can give info to other players, but has no paper of it's own... which would explain why both myself and Rotten have paper.

I pick Darox.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yos, would you like to own up to that "two scum left" paper?
I have to admit, in the circumstances, it makes sense, given the game size.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Darox' claim is more believable, and more helpful to town.
Pacman's claim has no idea of what his seeds do - which makes me believe they may be anti-town. I especially don't like the sound of that second seed.
The fact he kinda sat back an and just watched the roffman lynch isn't exactly confidence-engendering, either.

unvote; Vote pacman

[Knight of Cydonia]

Scum paper alterer? Makes sense.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Your attacks on Clammy were kinda a chainsaw for Roffman, IMO.
And I think that what Yos meant was that, by saying his "Cop" title didn't fit in, you were trying to outguess the mod's selection of role-names, to see if Yos was truly a Cop.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Deadline day, and to be frank, RS looks like the best lynch to me. Chainsawing Clammy for roffman, etc... doesn't look good.

unvote; Vote Rotten Snitch

[Knight of Cydonia]

Could have, yes. Were... doubtful.
It looks incredibly like a pointed chainsaw to me - it's almost as if you've tried too hard to not defend roff. If you had doubts about the roff lynch, you would have actually defended him, unless you knew his lynch might drag you down as scum too.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I can go with an Iceman lynch. I'm willing to wait for pacmans seed tomorrow before judging him.

Vote: Pacman

[Knight of Cydonia]

...Mistype DX

unvote; Vote Iceman

[Knight of Cydonia]

L-1: Iceman, I suggest you reveal whatever info you have for the future, and anything you have learnt in any other ways, if you false-claimed to avoid attention.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Pacman indefatigably, unless his seed pops up tomorrow and does such massive good for the town that it is irrefutable proof of his pro-townness.

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote

Not until discussion is done.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Stop preaching - I'm converted.

Vote pacman

Iceman tomorrow if necesssary, but right now, pacman just opened his mouth and inserted a foot.

[Knight of Cydonia]

The seeds clearly have some kind of effect either on the contents, or the events of the night before opening, the day of opening, or the night after opening.
Waiting for pacmans seed to have an obvious effect could take 2 or more days.

[Knight of Cydonia]

and teh game slooooowwwsss down again.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Does anyone have any compunctions about a hammer?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Wow, that was bloody quick, Iceman. How many times do you propose to offer to self-hammer, or to be lynched, then go back on it asap?

[Knight of Cydonia]

unvote; Vote IcemanE

Desperate scum is desperate. "I don't want to be lynched but I don't want to waste time" = blatant attempt to appear town by being willing to take th lynch, whilst actually refusing to. Also - obvious attempt to restart next best wagon to save own skin is obvious.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'll just wind up being the lynch tomorrow if pacman somehow turns up town today.

And then you self-hammer? Pacman can't turn up town today, you idiot, because a) it's no reveal and b) you just self-hammered.
God help you after this game if you are town, boy.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Iceman, you self-hammered as town in a no-reveal. That is NEVER smart.
You assumed we had one scum left? You mean, you just took Darox' word as granted!
Jeez... well done scum, but I think I'll avoid no-reveal games from now on. Town was woefully underpowered.