Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

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Hey all, I’m super high so I’ll get into this tomorrow

Congrats on the vaccine skitt, I hope it’s not too rough!

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I can’t believe S_S sniped the slot I wanted by literally a minute according to Jingle

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And now I have to play scum in this wonderful PL

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Oh cakez is kinda scummy tho

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Jake also scummy? Klick maybe good

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Oh you’re kidding I would have been so down to hydra (I was saying to ali that I was thinking about asking you to hydra defcon lol)

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I was about to call gypyx town and then I realised

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Skitter town?

Puppy scummy

Korg ?(!)

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Korg town?

Fark scum?

Pooky, penguin meh

Cakez scum still

(fin pg 10)

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Fire scum?

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VOTE: farkran

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It seems like you’re TRing practically everyone fark, where are the scum?

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Or is it exactly klick, S_S, N_M?

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skitt is always town until there's reason to think otherwise but also yes she seems town

PP i don't feel strongly is town yet, but if he is I think I'll get there + skitt vouching strongly for him being town is good enough for D2

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actually, the penguin is very likely town

bc I don't think this is skitt's modus operandi when it comes to a buddy, which means either (1) skitt is scum pocketing Pingu (possible but not super likely) or (2) skitt is town and is strongly TRing him in which case it makes sense to trust skitt's read

either way the penguin comes out as town

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VOTE: cakez

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oh wait, actually, N_M is in this game

VOTE: N_M

we should really do this

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sadge, I didn't realise firepuppy had left

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also I stfg if anyone cults me this game I will flip my shit with you

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who's been running this game bc it's dead in a way that makes me think they're scum

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oh btw if cakez is scum then skitter's equity goes way up

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I don’t know what’s happening

this cannot be allowed to live into the later game

N_M really ought to be banned from playing mafia but sadly the powers that be think his continued bad faith repping into and joining games without any intention of playing is acceptable so we have to waste a lim here

it's unfortunate but it's how it is

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like I don't want him banned from the site and I enjoy his speezy content but he needs to not be allowed to play mafia games anymore unless he like signs an agreement that he will actually play in the future and if he doesn't he gets a perma

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unless someone wants to make a case for fb having been blindingly town which I doubt happened

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thoughts are unimportant votes are what's needed

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talking of which you should vote N_M with me fark

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He's basically unreadable

yes, hence time for him to die

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limming N_M = making game based on skill instead of a roll of the dice when lylo comes

god I wish we had a vig

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who do I have to yell at to get things done round here

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Why are we killing TNK?

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VOTE: farkran

bad vote

actually, the penguin is very likely town

bc I don't think this is skitt's modus operandi when it comes to a buddy, which means either (1) skitt is scum pocketing Pingu (possible but not super likely) or (2) skitt is town and is strongly TRing him in which case it makes sense to trust skitt's read

either way the penguin comes out as town

mena's probably town

Also, honestly, this is a lil concerning

The first bc it was very clearly a joke, and the second bc I feel like ur TRing me far easier than you should be for what I’ve done here so far

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I was so hyped to rep in but then the game itself has been really boring so far

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So why are we killin TNK?

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I’m biased bc I thought he was the NK when I was reading the first like 14 pages or so but I was reading along with his stuff there and going yeah yeah this sounds like town!kori

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Admittedly I haven’t played with korina in about a year tho, so there’s that

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Sheeping skitter/have you seen tnk’s iso?/there’s 1 day left

Korina was not the nk

no and also I realised that when I looked again and saw that it was jake

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I guess those reasons are ~okay~ but I would have liked to have talked more about the game with like, p much anyone before launching

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I mean it came immediately after the post where he was beseeching those not voting to vote anywhere and then I v shortly afterward voted elsewhere

But fair enough I guess, I’m not reallly scumreading fark that hard I’m just also not TRing him? Like his overall approach here feels different from last game but idk if that’s bc he’s town or bc they got rekt in that mini-normal and so he’s trying something new where he’s presenting as a lot more laid back rather than trying to actively manipulate people really hard

I guess on balance I’d lean town

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I was so hyped to rep in but then the game itself has been really boring so far

Yes
You and ss have actually made it more interesting

It’s just hard to care when I don’t get why we’re killing people or what the gamestate is like really
Like everyone seems v content and idk if it’s just another game where scum have no interest in playing or if it’s because scum are super solid

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Sheeping skitter/have you seen tnk’s iso?/there’s 1 day left

Korina was not the nk

no and also I realised that when I looked again and saw that it was jake

There was no nk

I guess those reasons are ~okay~ but I would have liked to have talked more about the game with like, p much anyone before launching

The launch hasn’t happened.

i know both of these things

i didn’t think TNK was the NK I thought he was the D1 lim originally

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Skitt what do you mean when you say you don’t think I’d enter like this as scum? What do you think I’d be doing differently?

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I’m biased bc I thought he was the NK when I was reading the first like 14 pages or so but I was reading along with his stuff there and going yeah yeah this sounds like town!kori

What part of it looks like town?

Like from what I remember of playing with kori he was super hyped to roll scum and very into 1v1s and liked to powerscum

Whereas when town he just had bizarro tales and was incredibly mislimmable (including because he regularly would lie about his role, which also seems to like up with what I’ve picked up on from side discussion here). I think he knows that makes him vulnerable so depending on how insane his role claim was I think it’s a bit +town for him

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Idg that post then

It feels like we’re speeding towards launching give that cakez has announced intent to hammer which, even if it’s only E-1, is de facto hammer due to NM

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And while there’s discussion now I didn’t know skitt would be online or that you’d actually be around to talk so I kinda assumed we were just gonna have no more real posts before hammer dropped

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I mean it came immediately after the post where he was beseeching those not voting to vote anywhere and then I v shortly afterward voted elsewhere

But fair enough I guess, I’m not reallly scumreading fark that hard I’m just also not TRing him? Like his overall approach here feels different from last game but idk if that’s bc he’s town or bc they got rekt in that mini-normal and so he’s trying something new where he’s presenting as a lot more laid back rather than trying to actively manipulate people really hard

I guess on balance I’d lean town

I think he's town and wont entertain a vote on him today
I definitely read your vote there as real

Like strongly town?

Actually could you both just do me a readslist, that would be helpful

Not enough readslists this game

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Boop

Skitt what do you mean when you say you don’t think I’d enter like this as scum? What do you think I’d be doing differently?

Less energy and more agenda-y and less flail-y stream of consciousness-y and being more oriented around me and what i'm thinking

Or like: this convo literally doesn't happen if ur scum i'm p sure

i don’t think i’m being flail-y rn as it is but i also don’t think I’ve really been high energy this game or out of the range that I’m able to fake as ~enthusiasm~ when scum so I find both of those a bit weird as reasons to TR me

the agenda-y point is probably fair

idk is this conversation not me being oriented around you and how you’re feeling? Like what you’re saying isn’t totally cohesive to me

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Oh shit, I just realised the pronouns, my bad

I was just remembering from korina

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How do you think of town-them then?

I remember playing with kori a couple of times right after I started and kori got mislaunched D1 the first game we were town together

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Shading people and their only content is defending themselves for not doing anything

That's uh towny isn't it?

Uh

No

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Best Bird

skitteR, Farkran

Klick, Mena

SirCakez, N_M

Korg

Pooky-hydra, SS

puppy, tnk

?

Jingle

I’m that high for me myself so far?

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Farkran - town?
SirCakez - dont really have a read
skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness, etc
PenguinPower - town
Korg - weaktown
Absolutely Chillin (PookyTheMagicalBear and unwnd), replacing PookyTheMagicalBear - town?
Klick - weak town
Jake The Wolfie - flipped town
Something_Smart, replacing OMGUS - nullscum
Puppy - nullscum
Brave Heart Lion - didnt have a read, its now mena so town
Totally Not Korina - scummy
Not_Mafia, replacing Firebringer - hardest of nulls

I townread enuf people and the game has been low action enuf that i'm kinda fine just flipping through the people i dont townread until/unless i get better reads on said slots

I feel like it’s not common for you to have this few SRs and to be so weak on them? Like maybe it’s a consequence of gamestate but still

Also weren’t you calling me out for disagreeing with me on all my reads a couple of pages ago and now our reads look.. quite similar? Idk mine are still pretty flux-y but idk why you were disagreeing about stuff like cakez!scum if he’s just null to you

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I just feel like my towngame is almost never actually TR correctly by town this early and with me not having done much and it’s making me paranoid

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Maybe this is one of the weird games where everyone just loves me instead of hating me tho and it’s inexplicable in exactly the same way

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I really like 1141 though

If skitt!town then I think she prob has as good an understanding of anyone of my game

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Like skitt and chennis man, they both just get what I’m about

Must be the consequence of that game together so long ago

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I mean - my read is solely because of “why would you do this at this moment” and not really because you are beyond my paranoia.

There is likely scum in my townreads. It’s just hard to get a grasp on who with this game being what it is.

This is okay, I was just kinda surprised to see myself high (and I mean relatively even if I am only weak town) given that I didn’t feel like I’d done a lot since repping in and that you were scum-ish on my predecessor

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I don’t feel like S_S is town really

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I don’t actually remember what I said about pooky but I guess probably null-scum

As in, he’s null because I remember absolutely nothing about him and he almost might as well not be in the game rn

And that’s kinda scummy for him

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I just feel like my towngame is almost never actually TR correctly by town this early and with me not having done much and it’s making me paranoid

Hey remember that normal
Or, like, panic room

Idk i think i know how to read u p fast and accuratelty these days

I meant town collectively

Also I feel like u had an advantage that normal from having just hydra’d with me and thus having p good idea of where my head was at in general + how it was affecting my game

But yes u do have a v good rate on reading me

I meant more that you and chenn both get what I’m trying to actually like ~do~ when I’m scum instead of scumreading me for tone or whatever

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Also that I’m going to start pushing to kill ur slot tomorrow if you don’t both turn up (:

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I don’t really remember kori being a tryhard as town at all tbh skitt, did you play many games together?

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panic room

*shudders*

cursed game

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And they were town in both?

(NB: idk what pronoun to use here? I’m presuming that TNK is just kori (all signs seem to point that way) but they have “they/them” whereas iirc korina uses “he/him” so when talking about games explicitly played by kori idk if to use the pronouns for this account or for his/their main)

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god panic room was so brutal lmao

honestly the worst slot i’ve ever repped into lol, although i think there was a game with tris and eth0s that came close

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Oh cool, thanks both!

@PP like with a mod pov what should you do when you’re talking about someone’s main when their main has different pronouns to an alt they’re playing on? asking in a general sense, not just with relation to this

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Idk kinda feels like scum who want to get people off their back and so are being like: look this isnt scummy for me!!!1!

I mean how does that come out differently from town who want to get people off their back?

Town are also concerned with finding scum

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Boo yah

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@skitt I think we’ve had v different experiences with kori then, let me link u the games I played with them

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80974

They repped into this

@PP okay cool, that’s what I’d have learnt towards but just wanted to make sure

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It was an honest coincidence

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@skitt also this game viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80648

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I guess maybe I’m here?

PP - townzone
skitt
Fark

TNK - town?

Korg - nullzone
Klick
N_M

Cakez - scumzone
Puppy
Pooky
S_S

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@PP like with a mod pov what should you do when you’re talking about someone’s main when their main has different pronouns to an alt they’re playing on? asking in a general sense, not just with relation to this

As the mod of this game and in the context solely of this game, if you find yourself unsure of what to address someone by pronoun wise for any reason, the two most appropriate courses of action are to A) respectfully ask them what pronoun they would prefer to be addressed by or B) refer to them by username. Note: "I know how I should address you but don't want to" is specifically not "being unsure of what pronoun is appropriate".

Okay, thank you!

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town also usually has some motivation to attempt to solve the game

I think that probably cancels out because scum have the same motivation to appear to be solving, no?

Everything S_S has done tonight is strongly +scum for him

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@TNK apologies for any pronoun errors on my half!

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@skitt okay, I’ll try to take a look at the one u linked too

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Everything S_S has done tonight is strongly +scum for him

Gonna take a page out of TNK's book and say no, it isn't

You being this pedantic is something you’re like, 5x more likely to do as scum

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!!!

He does it again!!

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You nitpicking for justification of literally everything that’s being said is pedantic

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If TNK!scum, S_S!scum?

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We really need blood if cakez is around he should vote TNK so I can take NM’s hammer

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Pingu town?

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What hill lmao

Bro I could do this all day as scum in this gamestate, what r u talkin about

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I’m like broadly townread ish and you’re v much not, I could shitpush you all the way to launch valley and not get a lot of blowback for it

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because I love to defend townies like this as scum and I almost never do it to partners.

he said while defending his partner

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I did have the thought that you would probably also WK town!kori tho, so I ultimately think it’s fairly NAI for you and the more incriminating thing is the pedantry and the total lack of interest in solving the game

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Like if I’m wrong I’m wrong and it sadly ruins a decent streak of reads on you but based on what you’ve posted so far I have no idea how you think anyone should TR you

Or if you even do think that, but if you don’t think people are TRing you (they’re not) and you are town, I have no idea why you’re not trying to remedy that and instead are picking at arguments for TNK!scum that are p solid

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I’m like broadly townread ish and you’re v much not, I could shitpush you all the way to launch valley and not get a lot of blowback for it

But why would you

I mean I’d probably save it until tomo if TNK!town, is true

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I mean sure go ahead but it’s also partly a vibes based thing

I know you push for justifications from people when you’re town as well, but I think you do it more as scum and kinda differently although idk how well I can explain the difference

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Will think about it

Taking claims as literal from me is weird tho given that I use hyperbole in literally 10000% of my games

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I mean the sentiment is correct (you’re more pedantic when scummy) where “more” is slightly referring to quantity but also to the nature of ur pedantry

Like I think it feels more like you’re asking questions and picking at people bc you know that’s what town!yiu does whereas the things you choose to focus on when town feel more natural to me and I can get why you take issue with them

This whole thing tonight has felt much more like the former

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(Even though you literally just fooled me with it the last time we played together.)

Also when was this, I thought I hadn’t played scum against u in a while now

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OH! There we go, gotcha

Yeah I try to keep a healthy mix between true and false

I’d say I mostly lean true but it makes life too easy for maf if you always say what you think

Dw bout finding it, that’s probably not going to be super useful to me in reading you (I’m trying to avoid second hand meta as much as possible)

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Wanna flip tnk before ss

Yes

Am afraid I’m falling for the classic reasonableness-S_S-pocket(TM) but he does feel a bit less scum now

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He’s still not town tho to be clear

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VOTE: absolutely chillin

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it's got grit

...it does?

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idk dude it feels a lot just like a vote

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I'm caught up with the last 6 pages that happened overnight although to be honest i just skimmed and i want to read SS better.

Personally i think tnk is a good info lynch because he was wagoned yesterday + there is a claim pending that may give us more details about the gamestate. That being said, i don't think there is a significant chance that tnk flips scum and we could use a better lim today. If it flips scum though, i think it tells us a lot about other slots that i find scummy (klick mostly, but SS too).

I see that klick has no traction, so my other preferred option is currently SS, pending reread - i do admit that i cannot read SS at all though and it would be hard to me to leave that tunnel, so i have to sheep someone with regard to this.

I don’t like this post, it feels overexplainy and v noncommittal

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especially if I was backed by skitter which I probably would be.

This feels like a weird thing for you to think, can u pls explain ur thought process

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Okay that actually makes a lot of sense

Although I feel that skitter is not very good at reading you actually, so maybe it doesn’t make that much sense

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Idk, it seemed weird to me in the first place bc I figured that from your pov either skitt and I are scum together or i have her pocketed

But I guess there’s chances where if she TRs you correctly then yeah, she’s susp if I push there

That just seems quite abstract from the game we’re actually in given how she’s been reading your slot/my slot, so I’m kinda surprised and maybe a little doubtful that you think she’d get to a correct read on you there and especially enough to SR me given what she’s said so far

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Okay I actually TR S_S i think

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Maybe I am just pockitid but 1270 and the posts leading up to it feel like a nuanced thought process that I’m not sure S_S tried to replicate as scum

If he did, I imagine there’s a decent chance he could, but the way he got there felt like a very real and natural way for him to form a read on me tbh and idk... I feel like as scum he’d approach it differently?

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PP — town
Skitt
S_S
Fark

TNK? — town? But I won’t fight it given I’m not caught up and don’t feel super confident here

Korg!slot — nullzone, dont allow them to skate by

N_M — can always be scum

Klick — scum?
Puppy
Absolutely chillin

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Oh cakez should prob be with NM

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It’s mildly concerning that I almost feel like skitt is playing around me rather than vice versa

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Why do you keep puppy alive?

Great question tbh

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We have mindmeld on a lot of reads here (other than me obv)
Are you town???

What are you hoping to achieve by asking this?

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Menal why do you so strongly SR Chillin?

I think I already explained this but basically I think that unwnd/pooky being so disengaged is +scum for the slot and the fact that they feel so incredibly null is scum indicative for them in a way that it’s not for, let’s say N_M

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Klick is also scummy for evaporating and for not being obvtown which I feel like he normally is

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Mostly I just wanna yeet all of (chillin, klick, N_M, puppy) in any order

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It’s mildly concerning that I almost feel like skitt is playing around me rather than vice versa

oh this is a take
i'd love to hear more abt this one

Like

You seemed very happy to TR me which I was kinda okay with after talking with you about it

But then I find it interesting that you basically said the same thing to S_S that i did

Idk, it may well be nothing but I feel like you’re almost disproportionately confident that I’m town + that you’re doing things that would make me happy (like saying you don’t think you’d necessarily have sided with S_S if we’d been 1v1ing)

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Also @Mena if you're town i entrust my iso to you

Wdu mean

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your big advancements so far are S_S/N_M/ and..me?

I’m fairly hard townreading S_S so.. no?

Like my current solve is some combination of (you, klick, N_M, puppy, cakez) and we’re getting to the point where I’m getting confident enough in that that I’m happy to just lim everyone in that group one by one

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I think unwnd scumreading me is dubious at best

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It’s mildly concerning that I almost feel like skitt is playing around me rather than vice versa

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i'd love to hear more abt this one

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You seemed very happy to TR me which I was kinda okay with after talking with you about it

But then I find it interesting that you basically said the same thing to S_S that i did

Idk, it may well be nothing but I feel like you’re almost disproportionately confident that I’m town + that you’re doing things that would make me happy (like saying you don’t think you’d necessarily have sided with S_S if we’d been 1v1ing)

cuz u were being townie for you lol
like i think i'm at a point where i can just kinda read you

i don't really know what you're getting at r.e. the bolded
and to be quite honest, i dont' really think i approach anything with the intention of 'making someone happy'

I’m hoping it’s that, and there is form for you getting there on me before I get there on you (like PyP)

By the bolded I just meant i find it paranoia inducing when you’re saying things that I think after I said them rather than before

Make someone happy = pocket them or have them work with you for your ends. Like I’m not saying you would approach it with a mind to making anyone happy as an end in itself, but you don’t think scum!you says things that you think others want to hear to get them to do what you want?

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Skitter what are your thoughts on chillin atp? I’m not gonna fight you on TNK but if you think their slot is town idgi and I’d like u to break down why for me

Bc I think unwnd’s (low) efforting is NAI, what he’s saying is... not good really at all and I think his whole trajectory is scummy around me and how he’s interacting with me, and pooky’s total absence I think is reminiscent of him being scum (and, tbh, I think more likely post-DnC)

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Oh he’s finally here

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I absolutely don’t know you’re town and think you’re probably scum, actually

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I’m not being ridiculous

Why should I think ur town

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from what I remember you play at a state where anything could set you off. I'm not trying to offend you with that claim, rather I've just seen it a lot from the games I've specced of your scumgame. Here, you're pretty calm and trying to force people to care.

@skitt does this ring true to you? Bc to me this sounds like a description of my towngame, being volatile and shit

So him TRing me for being p chill I think should if anything elicit a SR

Which I’m getting but like, not for that reason, which makes this sound contrived to me

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Also don’t get how unwnd goes from liking my vote on their slot to SRing me based on my pred/on me using activity/meta tells which he KNOWS I do extensively as town seeing as how we were in the same TM team and discussed at one point the use of activity/meta tells

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Who am I talking to

Is it both of yiu

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Can one of u sign then pls

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@skitt does this ring true to you? Bc to me this sounds like a description of my towngame, being volatile and shit

One Night Stand? You blew up on Alisae as eir partner

Alisae and i have a... particular history together that’s rooted in a fundamental disagreement about last year’s TM and has crept into our other games

So that blew up beyond where I wanted it to bc of said history and bc we had no daytalk for me to explain what I was trying to do

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Bc I think unwnd’s (low) efforting is NAI, what he’s saying is... not good really at all and I think his whole trajectory is scummy around me and how he’s interacting with me, and pooky’s total absence I think is reminiscent of him being scum (and, tbh, I think more likely post-DnC)

It is what it is, memory served that you were scumreading S_S. I urge you to look at my scumgames, sitting there and becoming a potato is not how I die or how I want to be remembered for them lol

Assuming this is unwnd then?

Yeah, I was, and then he did things that made me think he’s town and I was just wrong there

I’m not really doing second hand meta anymore, sorry

It also seems weird for you to be making a meta based argument when I’m p sure you’ve told me quite forcefully that meta is trash before

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cuz if I was scum I would've pocketed you already

Also I mean

Eh maybe

I think we finally broke the trend in DnC tho

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I was actually being kinda self centred and only really paid attention to ur read on me, gimme a sec to look at the rest

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Err yes, I disagree with a lot of your reads and think they’re p terrible

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Fark and skitt are fine

So is PP

cakez town is dubious

Puppy town is ridiculous

And having all of those other 4 slots as townier than me is like... bizarre tbh

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I wouldn’t say the majority of my concerns lie on your meta

I’d say the majority of my concerns lie on things like your not doing anything for significant chunks of the game since I’ve been here and now also on your readslist

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What did cakez do that made you reconsider

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Also plenty of scum don’t post with the team in mind what r u talking about

I feel like puppy decided to do a gimmick before signing up and has stuck with it but that’s NAI

Their actual takes are very meh

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people... want tnk... woof

VOTE: tnk

puppy is surprised this game has pages like this. puppy hates this immortal form.

still understands stance on not want posting much in this game. puppy gets it, but also thinks that coldpuppies are town independently of emotion sensing.

SS is just sooooo obviously scum
God I wish we could go there

puppy felt this was town

best case puppy become survivor to hang out sleep chew on things but for now puppy just get sleep

This is town huh unwnd

It’s like nothing + a sheep vote on the main wagon

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I feel like people obstinately doing what they want regardless of if they’re getting limmed for it is far less AI than people give it credit for

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his posts have no bearing on how the thread moves, rather he just makes odd comments on things. That isn't indicative of alignment however

Like what

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Idk what you’re smoking but could u send me some bc it must be good shit if you don’t think that’s +scum behaviour

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I think you just described the quintessential “scum feeling a need to participate but not really having anything relevant to say” scumtell

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nothing tells me that doing whatever he wants is something that he lean into as scum.

Right

It’s NAI

But a moment ago you were suggesting that it was +town that puppy does what puppy wants? So which is it?

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his posts have no bearing on how the thread moves, rather he just makes odd comments on things. That isn't indicative of alignment however

Like what

It's just not something worth riling Cakez up for. If Cakez is mafia he eventually runs out of room or stops talking in general. Do you think that is the case?

Idk I haven’t got a lot of experience playing with or against scum!cakez

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Honestly even tho I have played with cakez I don’t have like a good cognitive model for him so I do still have to rely on trying to read him game by game

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mb you should listen to the people who have eaten scum cakez for lunch then lol

why should I do that when I think the slot saying it is scum

Okay who’s the team then? Let’s say cakez and puppy town

Whats the rest of the team?

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nothing tells me that doing whatever he wants is something that he lean into as scum.

Right

It’s NAI

But a moment ago you were suggesting that it was +town that puppy does what puppy wants? So which is it?

If a wagon formed on Puppy I wouldn't deny it's happening, but purely at a tonal level for some D1 stuff in the very corners of my mind I was guttown. I don't have a specific way to describe it, it seems we just fundamentally disagree.

That’s not what’s being argued though

A moment ago, you suggested that puppy doing what puppy wants is +town for puppy

Then you said that puppy doing whatever puppy wants isn’t something you think he’d lean into as scum, which implies it’s NAI

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S_S idk if I’ve told you this before but I appreciate very strongly that you don’t use the word “whilst” which I hate

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Woof

KILL WITH FIRE

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Yeah I would gut read it as town based on the presentation of his posts? I don't know where NAI matters here lol

Why tho

This is what I’m not getting

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I initially thought Cakez could be scum but then he did something that made me discard it. Puppy just doesn't seem like puppy posts with a team in mind. His opinions are really out there and uinformed in a lot of ways. Puppy does what puppy wants and I think it's guttown

I feel like people obstinately doing what they want regardless of if they’re getting limmed for it is far less AI than people give it credit for

Only if the idea of 'doing what they want' is exclusive to the person. FL for example does whatever he wants as both alignments, but he sugarcoats it as scum. I don't know who puppy is exactly but nothing tells me that doing whatever he wants is something that he lean into as scum.

Can someone else give me a second opinion on whether these two posts are directly contradictory bc they feel that way to me

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@S_S kinda looking at u here bud

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I also don't really see a reason to use it when "while" means the same thing and is clearer.

Fucking THANK you

People have a really bad habit of using it in the Uk bc they think it sounds more educated or more cultured and shit and it’s like, no, you sound like you stumbled into this conversation out of a bad BBC regency drama adaptation, say while like a normal person from the 21st century

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but I also don't really try to pocket mena when I'm town :3

Feels kinda like ur trying to pocket me rn tho!

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Okay, contradiction as I see it:

“Puppy does what puppy wants and I think that’s guttown”

I point out that people doing what people want is basically NAI as scum do this plenty of the time

“nothing tells me that doing whatever he wants is something puppy would lean into as scum”

Okay, so him doing whatever he wants isn’t *scum!indicative* for him, but it also makes no sense to conclude he’s town based on it

It feels like an excuse to TR a bad slot I think you have partner equity with

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Wow I wish kori would do stuff bc I’d be willing to try and derail their wagon for AC but not while I’m still this unsure on them

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I would like a more thorough response to 1442 and sure, I’ll hold you to that tomorrow, as mentioned I think the TNK wagon is too established to dismantle today eso this close to deadline and without the slot actually being super town

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but I also don't really try to pocket mena when I'm town :3

Feels kinda like ur trying to pocket me rn tho!

I just don't want you to get cold out there <3

hmmmmmmmmmmm

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Is your scumread on me from both heads or is it just you, unwnd?

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I will be wryly amused if AC is scum and this is yet another game where pooky is scum and I’m town and once again I end up getting into the game and being a huge pain in the ass vs his only experience of us being town together being depressed!mena

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I mean I feel like if ur town u should be a lot happier with me here tbh pooky

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I’m curious to hear what pooky thinks now then

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Ehh it’s probably NAI actually, whatever he says, I think I revealed my cards a bit too much

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PenguinPower talking to Mena in mini 2204: fakeclaim mafia, 2021c colourised

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I think I played really well this game

Shouldn’t have given klick a pass for the vote being “too” bizarre

Thanks for modding, jingle

I enjoyed this PL

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Also sorry pooky for yet another game of me rolling town and playing effort-y when you got scum yet again