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Damn day open is quiet y’all. Where is everyone?
A50 we are Gonna have words post game. Wtf was that self vote?
I am trying to figure out if like you thought Titus+DGB paranoia or if you were just pissed at the wagon?
Like you thought earlier it was me/Wheme/Xlos. I know I am town and Xlos is dead.
Like this game is …wtf?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Assuming you’re town I think smart scum doesn’t kill you. That would make Xlos unlimmable and this is elo. Given Xlos was the kill they must have believed you weren’t a one shot.In post 1535, DrippingGoofball wrote:WTF was my reaction to being alive today.
Assuming you’re scum well…then scum killing you is dumb.
Like the Jake kill seems dumb.
How do we have smart and dumb scum?
I looked over the game and I am just confused.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I mean imho murdercat slipped PR like I said earlier so that would be a smart kill if my theory is right
T3 pretty much screamed “I am the fuckin” rolecop in his intro and then claimed flavor so….?
To me those are just like duh kills and aren’t player indicative. It makes me think scum weren’t suspected D1/D2 but that’s just gut.
Who do you think is scum?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Wtf is this?In post 1540, Galron wrote:A50 getting turbo launched was p dumb. Whenever I've run into a pissed off A50 it's because he's been right. Or at least he's ended up being right. That means dgb and Titus are town. Math and wheme are the team. Which makes sense
No way that hood was full town. Unless Ircher is just messing with us there's no way that 2 p hood both had the same role and alignment.
I'm never voting Titus or dgb.
Now i understand why wheme wasn't resolved first. Math was too busy running interference.
A50 told us wheme was scum.
I want to hear from Titus before I vote though.
Uhm no. Almost50 gets angry when he doesn’t understand or not in control. Sometimes he is right sometimes not. He does blatant manipulation as scum.
The fact he asked Titus if she was scum and immediately self hammered makes me think A50 thought Titus was scum.
Like I keep running back to Titus+DGB by kills and play but that post is so bad and Xlos death means DGB likely town unless that kill was planned in advance.
Titus where is your VCA?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is an AND.In post 1541, Titus wrote:I'm not voting Math unless it gets to 3p lylo.
I'm not inclined to vote DGB.
That leaves Wheme or Galron.
I am town. If you say you’re not voting me (which the only reason not to vote me is that I am town if you think I am scum you vote me). If you are “not inclined” to vote DGB means you’re townreading it.
If you don’t think it’s Wheme and Galron then you’re not actually positing anything useful and this is hot air or DGB is your buddy.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s posts like this that make me wonder if Titus is scum.In post 1544, Titus wrote:
It's not bad scum play. DGB gets no extra result tonight and keeping it alive means paranoia around it. It's lylo regardless. Meanwhile Xlos was never getting voted out today, even if it was lylo.In post 1543, Galron wrote:
Exactly. It's just bad scum play. The one person who kept talking about a supposed vig was probably more afraid of that than you. I thought Math was tossing around vig just to create a muddle, but it looks to me like he probably actually believed it and thought it was xlos when with all the power that's been shown a vig would just break the game. Especially after you claimed multi shot.In post 1535, DrippingGoofball wrote:WTF was my reaction to being alive today.
She’s better at mech reasoning as town.
Assume DGB is town and shot.
Then Xlos is in the game as confirmed town (because let’s be real godfather while possible is not probable)
When confirmed town is in the game scum cannot manipulate elo and it’s out of their hands.
Xlos had to be the kill if DGB is town to keep elo flexibility and Xlos has to be the kill to protect DGB if it is scum.
Xlos was pretty much good as flipped soon as A50 hammered unless scum which then is an easy solve between DGB and Xlos.
Pedit: Kinda sure we have to hit scum here Titus. Not sure what sitting on where you think I am wrong helps if you’re town.
I am going to bed but all y’all are sus.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I did a skim and it’s late so the only non mech related reason I can think of is reads.
But if it’s reads then why wait?
I am just going to bed and will reread T3’s ISO with clean mind.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 1452, MathBlade wrote:Spoiler: Claim posts
My guess is that based on Murdercat's ISO Murdercat slipped he was a PR of some kind. VT's don't heavily worry about being put to a claim at L -1. My guess is that scum though to kill him soon as 213 dropped.
MurderCat PR questionIn post 1455, MathBlade wrote:
Contrast this with Flea's response. It's a generic "your reason was just soooo bad". It doesn't have a fear of PR at all in it.In post 450, Flea The Magician wrote:Well I honestly hope you're eliminated because I don't think you're town, your reason was just sooo baaaad.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is a common way PRs claim or maybe just common for me.In post 69, T3 wrote:By the way, anyone who claims a type of Modified Rolecop is confirmed town. This information I have from somewhere that I will not elaborate on furter.
I do something like “I am pretty sure a (PR here) would do (some action I did)”
Or I have a really strong gut that blah would be checked.
This way I can steer town in the right direction without claiming.
Scum team knew Nom was Derivative and when T3 claimed Second Derivative or Second Derivative Test it’s likely that they went hey Nom is our/a cop and T3 claimed Second Derivative so probably rolecop when combined together. I think T3 probably died because of role but it’s possible for a reads reason maybe but role to me makes more senseScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So if you and DGB are scum then you’d have probably killed him for reads? Like I am not looking at another game at midnight to be fair so just going to take it on your word. Did T3 give a reason for lying?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not sure why you think T3 was killed except reads, but killing someone who townreads you incorrectly can solidify it.
“For reads” really should have been “for gamestate manipulation” which is about leaving the best impression.
I don’t see how that clears anyone or supports anyone as “for reads/gamestate manipulation” can mean anyone is scum.
If we ignore that Murdercat was likely killed for PR then say for reads and look at the last few posts
DGB scum kills Murdercat to make others look scummy so it has time to execute its gambit.
Slimer (my slot) kills Murdercat because suspected. (Not scum here just devils advocate)
It becomes meaningless unless you can get inside how player X plays scum and why they do kills.
That’s why the kills don’t make sense to me especially Jake.
I can’t tie a consistent narrative from endgame to beginning for anyone but teams are more likely if it’s not reads related reasons.
So it’s more likely not reads related reasons.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.In post 1402, Jake The Wolfie wrote:VOTE: DrippingGoofball
No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron
Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.
So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasonsScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Looking forward to hearing your theory.In post 1522, Xlos wrote:All things considered I'm very happy with tonight's events. My scumteam last night was A50 + {Titus, Jake, DGB}. Now Jake is town and I'm feeling much better about DGB now that their claim isn't 1-shot cop. Plus, between the breadcrumb and the reasoning against mathblade in 1517, I think that the claim is real. Particularly
This kind of content takes a fairly high amount of meditation on the fact that he is an odd night rolecop to achieve, very towny.DGB wrote:But then the next day I thought, if MathBlade, is scum, he knows I fakeclaimed 1-shot, figured with the even-night rolecop flipped and the word ODD in my first post, that I was an odd-night cop. And MathBlade!scum would NK me for sure.
Also the clear on me makes me feel a lot better. Last day phase Toog said something along the lines of "you are terrible town since you're killing me and then A50", but really it's worse than that, since if A50 is scum, in all likelihood I would be next (setting up 3 miselims, a terrifically bad result). Now the worst case is a bit better. But that's the extent of my confidence on him, we shall see if I am terrible town or good town soon (probably). VOTE: Almost50
If this works out we confirm Wheme which puts us in a winning position since I think me, DGB, and Galron are already almost certainly town.
pedit: Hmm turns out you can move your vote onto people by wishing them harm (Titus is on Wheme in the votecount)
The last reads Xlos gave was before A50’s flip.
Xlos thought DGB+Galron are town and Wheme /A50 lock scum.
If we keep that opinion then Xlos would think all scum in you, me, Wheme.
Going to assume you’re not scum claiming so any theory you propose that’s reads based is Me+Wheme
Which then goes against Murdercat so like
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I think Jake was shot due to scum thinking he was the vig.In post 1571, Titus wrote:If the goal was to shoot based on DGB suspicion, you would have taken the bullet instead of A50 given you're more vocal and no one was listening to Jake.
I did several signals to him and outright asked him to shoot DGB.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I agree. But you said you hadn’t looked at who Xlos suspected.In post 1572, Titus wrote:
Xlos was killed because LoL elo clear, not for his reads.In post 1570, MathBlade wrote:
Looking forward to hearing your theory.In post 1522, Xlos wrote:All things considered I'm very happy with tonight's events. My scumteam last night was A50 + {Titus, Jake, DGB}. Now Jake is town and I'm feeling much better about DGB now that their claim isn't 1-shot cop. Plus, between the breadcrumb and the reasoning against mathblade in 1517, I think that the claim is real. Particularly
This kind of content takes a fairly high amount of meditation on the fact that he is an odd night rolecop to achieve, very towny.DGB wrote:But then the next day I thought, if MathBlade, is scum, he knows I fakeclaimed 1-shot, figured with the even-night rolecop flipped and the word ODD in my first post, that I was an odd-night cop. And MathBlade!scum would NK me for sure.
Also the clear on me makes me feel a lot better. Last day phase Toog said something along the lines of "you are terrible town since you're killing me and then A50", but really it's worse than that, since if A50 is scum, in all likelihood I would be next (setting up 3 miselims, a terrifically bad result). Now the worst case is a bit better. But that's the extent of my confidence on him, we shall see if I am terrible town or good town soon (probably). VOTE: Almost50
If this works out we confirm Wheme which puts us in a winning position since I think me, DGB, and Galron are already almost certainly town.
pedit: Hmm turns out you can move your vote onto people by wishing them harm (Titus is on Wheme in the votecount)
The last reads Xlos gave was before A50’s flip.
Xlos thought DGB+Galron are town and Wheme /A50 lock scum.
If we keep that opinion then Xlos would think all scum in you, me, Wheme.
Going to assume you’re not scum claiming so any theory you propose that’s reads based is Me+Wheme
Which then goes against Murdercat so like
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I did for you to help solidify that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Are you at least willing to lay out those teams?In post 1576, Titus wrote:
My read is pretty solid as to why everyone died. It leaves me with two possible scumteams.In post 1574, MathBlade wrote:I agree. But you said you hadn’t looked at who Xlos suspected.
I did for you to help solidify that.
And that last post is a pretty backhanded way of calling me scum. Lmao
You don’t think anyone but me thought Vig existed.
You think my belief scum killed for vig existing is accurate
Ergo me scum? Like unless I read that wrong.
It’s hard to synergize with you when I don’t know where you are and we have to agree if you’re town because eloScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay how can I get you beyond the check work point? I am like not seeing the hints at all. I apologize if it is just my dense ness here or maybe I didn’t sleep enough?
I am struggling with what you’re putting down ATM and don’t want to clutter the thread because if you’re town that makes things hard on whoever the last Townie is.
Pedit: I think it does but that was also before I was in the game. Maybe I just play scum so radically differently than whoever scum is I can’t understand?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am not finding your premises though. If I could find those I can piece it together
You’ve done NKA but I don’t see what the premises are from it.
And I mean fair.
If I had to decide right now I would be an obstinate person and wouldn’t and see who voted me for not voting. This is elo. I don’t just “decide” things. I generally use votes and who reads who where to contribute to that because scum usually don’t (lalalalala redacted or scum might do lalalala to throw it off)
Again I don’t have a team. I am just confused.
I have theories but each one of them has a gaping flaw.
So I am going to use DGB + Wheme posting to solidify if you’re scum or not first.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why was nom so hard to elim?In post 1584, Titus wrote:I'm curious. What's your gaping flaw in DGB + Galron?
DGB posted nothing but spam Nom scum.
Galron post wise was influential.
It doesn’t seem to match D2 play.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Uninfluential* autocorrect you suckScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I guess it’s possible but I am trying to figure out what’s more probable.In post 1587, Titus wrote:
Town resisted the nom elimination. Town can just be dumb.In post 1585, MathBlade wrote:
Why was nom so hard to elim?In post 1584, Titus wrote:I'm curious. What's your gaping flaw in DGB + Galron?
DGB posted nothing but spam Nom scum.
Galron post wise was uninfluential.
It doesn’t seem to match D2 play.
Xlos A50 and myself all resisted the nom elimination to some extent. In a DGB plus Galron scenario, all Galron has to do is stay off and nom is hard to lim because of the pride of everyone involved.
By play ignoring kills that’s you.
But with kills and ignoring play that’s not you.
So hence my clusterfuck of confusion.
Usually at least one of those lines up in both categories I can look at (lalalalala) and find the other scum.
Pedit: Yes Toog and A50 fought the elim but I find it hard to believe that all of the resisters were town. I mean if I was scum sheeping a resister would make that elim not happen.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think I would only half claim. I want to see if I am functionally a VT or not.
I will go back and look at Galron votes.
Off the top of my head I don’t think Galron has claimed. I don’t have my notes in front of me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I plan on it but if pressed now before everyone else has it gives scum an out.In post 1593, Titus wrote:
No it's elo. Everyone fullclaims. There's situations where town can lie about a claim, but everyone should fullclaim.In post 1592, MathBlade wrote:I think I would only half claim. I want to see if I am functionally a VT or not.
I will go back and look at Galron votes.
Off the top of my head I don’t think Galron has claimed. I don’t have my notes in front of me.
So if I am made first I only go half.
Then after everyone else I do the remainder.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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K I popcorn Galron.
I have hinted PR since post one but I think I might be functionally VT.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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How so? Talk me through that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If you’re right and it is a scumslip, it would have been a scumslip that could have easily been pushed on D4. The fact no one did means it’s likely not a scum slip and is a saved argument.
I can’t say more without ruining what you’re going for but I don’t think that is possible to be a scumslip.
It may be possible that Galron is scum (that is one of my less flawed teams) but I don’t think that’s a scumslip if this makes sense?
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No influencer.
Galron and Wheme has a distinct lack of influencer. To be fair this is one of my less flawed teams but it’s unlikely Wheme if scum makes it this far without a defender due to the sheer amount of FoS’s he’s had. Galron just admittedly is null due to the absence of anything memorable.
Pedit: Wrong game? I am just going to pretend that doesn’t exist?
Pedit: Titus check your threadScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What do you make of the lack of influencer problem?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Oh no! I am in jail! I guess I can go with that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This.In post 1617, Titus wrote:
Honestly, not well. I think Math is tonally town but I am waivering based on me being alive.In post 1615, WhemeStar wrote:I really haven’t been giving this game any attention and I apologize it has been a confusing game.
Math/Titus how well can you two read eachother
What if scum kept us both alive because we tend to bicker?
Pretty much Titus is always in my sus pool unless I have a mod clear but by treating her as a townread in elo if she is town win win and if not she’s way more likely to fuck up and slip her buddy.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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For example on this page alone Titus+Wheme becomes very probable.
Titus has a theory of Wheme + Galron she is pursuing and says everyone should mass claim yet doesn’t push Wheme for a PR/VT claim.
So this tells me that she’s not hunting Wheme to see if informed neighbor is the only thing he has which is sus
And if Titus+Wheme then Titus has been doing all the killsScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Still same problem why aren’t you asking Wheme about his role.In post 1621, Titus wrote:
Wheme+Galron is a theory but it's not my favorite based on T3 dying.In post 1620, MathBlade wrote:For example on this page alone Titus+Wheme becomes very probable.
Titus has a theory of Wheme + Galron she is pursuing and says everyone should mass claim yet doesn’t push Wheme for a PR/VT claim.
So this tells me that she’s not hunting Wheme to see if informed neighbor is the only thing he has which is sus
And if Titus+Wheme then Titus has been doing all the kills
Even if a theory isn’t a “favorite” that doesn’t mean you don’t investigate it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You did A claim. That’s all it is.In post 1624, WhemeStar wrote:
Because I already full claimed?In post 1620, MathBlade wrote:For example on this page alone Titus+Wheme becomes very probable.
Titus has a theory of Wheme + Galron she is pursuing and says everyone should mass claim yet doesn’t push Wheme for a PR/VT claim.
So this tells me that she’s not hunting Wheme to see if informed neighbor is the only thing he has which is sus
And if Titus+Wheme then Titus has been doing all the kills
In a Titus town world I don’t expect her to take anything claimed for granted.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s pretty obvious that you were neighbors with A50 yes.
Informed? Maybe?
Other things? No fuckin clue.
A50 scumread you pretty hard.
Why did you not use the hood if you’re town?
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Like my entire point of that is I don’t get why scum were killing who they did and Titus’s argument didn’t make sense.
So I started with her premise that players were killed for reads reasons and reached a logical contradiction?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So what exactly is DGB saying here Titus?
I don’t get it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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DGBIn post 1627, DrippingGoofball wrote:
FINALLYIn post 1567, MathBlade wrote:
If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.In post 1402, Jake The Wolfie wrote:VOTE: DrippingGoofball
No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron
Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.
So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons
I was waiting for the scum to out themselves as to why Jake was killed.
I didn't say a thing the morning of, because I felt I was being FRAMED, and that the NK was the sign of asocialgamestate manipulative scum team more than amechmanipulative scum team.
Over and over MathBlade has been throwing little hints what we should look at why Jake was NK'd, but no one took the bait - especially not me.
At last someone (MathBlade) blurted out that Jake was killed for his "reads" - which was no read at all, it was just Jake being angry with me for calling out his trollish ways. He was vig bait, not scum NK bait. That's why the NK always felt soooooo manipulative to me.
How did you go from I can’t be scum to
I have to be scum for doing NKA on Jake’s death?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So you’re arguing that I as scum,In post 1634, DrippingGoofball wrote:
It could be a reason, but it's more of a sideways hit than a direct hit.In post 1631, Titus wrote:Didn't I say Jake was killed for opposing A50? Let me check.
MathBlade, who replaced in a scummy, replacement-rich slot, has been making cases that I'm scum every day. One day, in anger, Jake votes me, and finds himself dead'ed in the morning.
It just fits into MathBlade's day time agenda so tightly.
Do not kill the player who is extremely paranoid of me and who could guilty me,
And instead kill Jake?
When scum!me (not true but hypothetically) knows that elimming a claimed cop (assuming you’re town) is an uphill battle so hard as to be nigh on impossible
When in that world if you check me then even if I elim you I would be outed scum the next day.
Like what?
This does not make sense
And even if I was scum again I never kill you after you claim an inno.
Like what?
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You can argue that I am scum all you want.
I get I replaced into a scummy slot.
I do that all the time. Sometimes the slot is scum sometimes it’s town sometimes it’s 3P.
At least make an argument that makes sense.
Otherwise if you’re town you’re going to lead it astray.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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On the contrary.In post 1643, DrippingGoofball wrote:
This is a lot of saying nothing.In post 682, MathBlade wrote:Galron+
I see where Galron started with T3 but I don’t think T3 is scum because it’s kinda dumb to claim informed early if scum. Yes usually informed is scum only but I think there’s some weird shit going on here. I like most of their progression and while I disagree with their logic on Nom I can see how someone would get there.
For Wheme I was saying his lack of content is unacceptable and still is.
This is me saying I think T3 is the rolecop. It doesn’t say anything about Galron except that I see his logic.
The fact you see it as nothing is irrelevant.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yes yes I tried to suggest other players were rolecop in the wall to give T3 a chance. Yes yes that’s scummy
So yeah considering claims forcing scum to kill a VT is a good thingScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Titus before you vote Galron do look at the read wall DGB mentioned again
And this comment has nothing to do with Galron but I think it explains some of my responses.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If you’re town you also wanted mass claim.
Bad form to vote before that happensScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What is tempting you to vote before that happens?
Why are you speeding through this?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay then let’s work off that assumption. Two types of conversation:In post 1654, Titus wrote:Because I see all roads leading to scum Galron.
Why do you think all roads lead to scum Galron?
Assume Galron is scum and the why above is accurate:
Who is scum with Galron?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In other words if you’re pigeonholed into thinking Galron is scum (not using that to knock your opinion but if you’re debating voting him before the standard elo rules then it’s a tunnel right or wrong)
Then this logic should stand up whatever outstanding claims are leftScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And that’s what scares me.In post 1657, Titus wrote:
I'm not answering 1 until Galron shows and claims.In post 1655, MathBlade wrote:
Okay then let’s work off that assumption. Two types of conversation:In post 1654, Titus wrote:Because I see all roads leading to scum Galron.
Why do you think all roads lead to scum Galron?
Assume Galron is scum and the why above is accurate:
Who is scum with Galron?
I don't know who is scum with Galron but if kills are social kills then I know who isn't scum with Galron.
Assume Galron claims VT. You can frame an argument based on that.
Assume Galron claims PR. You can frame an argument based on that.
If you’re scum then Galron would be where you planned to end up.
If you’re town and you think Galron is scum independent of the claim then you should be able to explain why Galron is scum without it.
If you’re unsure then not all roads lead to Galron being scum and somehow you’re being tunnelled.
Does this make sense?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Pretty sure Galron said it’s me and Wheme. He said he’s never voting you and Titus.In post 1540, Galron wrote:A50 getting turbo launched was p dumb. Whenever I've run into a pissed off A50 it's because he's been right. Or at least he's ended up being right. That means dgb and Titus are town. Math and wheme are the team. Which makes sense
No way that hood was full town. Unless Ircher is just messing with us there's no way that 2 p hood both had the same role and alignment.
I'm never voting Titus or dgb.
Now i understand why wheme wasn't resolved first. Math was too busy running interference.
A50 told us wheme was scum.
I want to hear from Titus before I vote though.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think my response ruins what you’re going for if you’re town but let me just say I don’t think anything would change here.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think it does or at least what I want to see out of Galron. I am going to cook lunch now. Be back later.
Pedit: I decide by who is scum with them or just don’t decide at all and it’s you and Titus.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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No offense Titus but when you’re scum your kills make as much sense as a 100 page proof.In post 1667, Titus wrote:
NKA. What you should have used to catch me in Deco.In post 1665, DrippingGoofball wrote:How does anyone decide who is scummier between WhemeStar and Galron?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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To borrow your (and apparently DGB’s phrase) what’s the difference between bad player jail and scum here?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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What do you mean by that?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I agree it doesn’t make sense.In post 1677, Titus wrote:Galron's trajectory, which I quoted makes no sense. He jumps from why are we not eliminating Toog to Toog makes no sense.
However Toog seemed to be a topic of conversation throughout the prior posts.
I think it’s scummy but I don’t think it’s a smoking gun.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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See the most likely teams to me are DGB Galron
You and Wheme
And Wheme and Galron
Slight rim shot of DGB Wheme but I don’t see that as likely
So the more you push Galron with scummy things but not a smoking gun the more nervous I becomeScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Fair enough. Well deserved. I just finished poppyseed chicken yay!ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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See that’s the thing. I am not “defending you” in the traditional sense.In post 1685, Galron wrote:Math, why are you trusting so hard to defend me? Why are you so invested in getting Titus to strengthen her scum read on me? That's exactly what you're doing and it's scummy af. Set me up as scum in her eyes, strengthen that read for her, then the vote, gg. Same technique I saw you use at least twice since you've been back. Can't remember the game but one you were working on Drew or mena I think and ended up pulling a scum save that never should have happened. Here it's like deja Vu. You have no business trying to defend me. Let Titus come to her own conclusions. You planting your little seeds can stop.
Titus and you both said I have. I said it’s not the smoking gun.
Making her elaborate helps me to read her to see if she actually believes what she is saying.
I use lots of techniques as scum and me being scum in the past is not an argument as to why I am scum now.
I think if you’re scum then it’s likely you think Wheme and I are the most likely elims.
You say you won’t vote DGB or Titus for two reasons (assuming you’re scum)
1) They are both town and if you can get them to do what you want.
2) One of them is your buddy.
I don’t see a town reason for deciding “I am going to sheep A50” today.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I get Galron scum or Wheme scum or maybe both but I think your case is fundamentally flawed.In post 1690, Titus wrote:My theory:
Galron is lockscum because of the kills. While T3 never mentions Galron, both Murdercat and Jake's last mention of Galron is suspicion.
N1:
Murdercat was not likely shot for his townreads because he doesn't go into detail about his townreads.
This means he was killed for his role or his scumreads or unlimmable.
At no point did Murdercat slip he was a PR, so that's out.<< Note my disagreeement here.
Unlimmable is a thing, but there were other townies who were unlimmable. Murdercat would (in theory) be limmable if the right townies died. So I doubt for this reason.
This leaves Murdercat being killed for his scumreads.
Murdercat scumread A50, Galron, and Mathblade's slot (although Math wasn't in it yet).
This gives major scumpoints to Galron and Math.
This is nothing new. I acknowledge I look bad if Murdercat was killed for reads. I just don’t think that was the case. I do not like how I have refuted this multiple times and people who you townread get this argument and you just ignore it
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Why was T3 killed?
Two schools of thought here.
1) T3 was real claiming. This instantly clears DGB in my mind if this approach is adopted. I don't think scum!DGB kills town!T3 based on a roleclaim ever in that scenario. That leaves Galron, Wheme, and Math. Math would buy any claim in the thread and not consider it a joke. I don't know Galron well enough to think if he buys a claim but I think most players do. Wheme's the same. If this is the theory, then two of Wheme/Math/Galon are scum. Math and Galron appear again.
You really really should see my role before making blanket statements like this
2) T3 was killed based on his reads. This narrows down the pool less, but is more consistent with the scumteam's play. Shooting T3 because he's the only slot that would townclear Wheme gives scum dramatically more control over the day play. That also means Wheme is town. That leaves Math/Galron/DGB as scum. There's the rub, Math/Galron again.
Why are you ignoring the fact T3’s flavor is similar to Nom’s? Why does this instantly clear DGB to you? This gives more questions than answers?
Night 3:
All our PRs had outed at this point, so Jake was not outed for his role.
All PRs had crumbed. I still am not outed but am functionally VT
Jake still had some miselimination potential. This is why his kill was much more shocking.
Thus, Jake was likely killed for the gamestate.
He's the only slot that objected to an A50 elimination. Securing that elimination fast means that scum essentially get three nightkills for the price of one.
That makes a Jake kill worth it.
Plus, it keeps a mostly wrong towncore (using town in the generic sense not saying the core is locktown) intact.
Again I disagree with this on why Jake was killed as discussed earlier
Night 4
Xlos was killed because unlimmable in lylo. This isn't rocketscience and eliminates no one.Yay something I agree with!
So based on nightkills the favored team is Galron and Mathblade (T3 was killed based on role here), or DGB and Galron (T3 was killed for gamestate instead) or Math plus Galron (T3 was killed based on his Wheme townread).
Then we look at the gamestate.
Wheme's largely been silenced.
No he hasn’t? He’s been inactive.
Toog roleblocked Galron who immediately voted him. It suggests Galron knew he was blocked, but obviously wasn't the scumkiller outright. If this is correct, scum!Galron is claiming a vig of somesort. 1 shot vig most likely. This would pocket Mathblade if he is town, but I don't think scum is mechanically smart enough to do that. It could be a coincidence, but I'm suspecting it isn't. Town had multiple investigatives, it would make sense that scum would too. Putting only one rolecop in the game to find a town rolecop, doctor, and cop makes no sense.
Especially with my role Titus. This is why I think DGB+Wheme has to contain a scum
If Galron is another investigative, he's shared no results and this much investigative power is a scumclaim between him and DGB if not both.
DGB's odd night doctor claim. It could be scum, but it effectively crumbed in its first post. This suggests it was an actual claim and not a fake. There's a possibility it could be a fake claim, but I doubt it.
DGB's claim was oddly resisted. This suggests one scum on and one scum off. Given almost all the off spaces are flipped town. This suggest Galron or Wheme scum. Again, Galron is back. The scum on the wagon would likely be Mathblade but it is possible we had both scum off given the massive town resistance. So the Math read is considerably weaker.
Overall, this leaves us with Galron as obvscum. Math as a likier partner and DGB and Wheme being outside shots (particularly if T3 was killed based on my theory).
Then we look at the early Toog vote. DGB was primed to vote Toog. I'd be voting there. Two votes. Galron may or may not be aware he was voted. He votes the Toog wagon as soon as possible for these reasons. When it's not the default elimination, he looks for a way off.
I rest my case.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Me the math loving person who apparently has all the value to the yard and makes all the theorems say what variables are enabled?
I am a vig enabler Titus. This is my confusion.
I have been trying to die for a few days now so people see why the fuck I am so confused as to what the fuck you’re doing.
I practically have screamed my role for multiple game days nowScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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