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This anit what I was typing. I ment mega. Not t3 . T3 is just my rvs.In post 66, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.-
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He's a Pokemon I don't trust Pokemon they have magic. All jokes aside with only 3 pages it's going take longer . But the way he states t3 always lock towns people feels he's just looking to discredit t3s reads alreadyIn post 70, Shrek wrote:ok explain your read on mega then-
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Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious-
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Yes the auto correct on my phone has removed my words such as doesn't mean I don't dislike them.In post 76, Shrek wrote:
didnt you just say you disliked the reads so early though???In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious-
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you wanted a flash elemation on not_mafia hoping they would self hammer and I am stating why I won't vote there. Also starting a convo with you. Would you rather I push you?In post 86, Enchant wrote:
... Okay.In post 81, cyrus62 wrote:@encant I kinda like not_mafia the way they quick hammer it's like a anti version of me I'm always to scared to hammer I'm like what if scum got them to e1 and I hammer and they end up being town. But it also makes it harder for scum to wiggle out.
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In post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
ScumI said I would quick hammer yes I would I hate wall post. And that's how I feel I dislike the way she gave reads on page 1.
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I said I would quick hammer and I would I dislike how she uses wall post and how she gives reads on page 1. FixdIn post 94, cyrus62 wrote:In post 90, Guillotina wrote:In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.
If you are town you should be policy yote
If you are scum then you should be yeeted.
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I feel like you are setting up miselmation early.In post 93, Guillotina wrote:In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:And Cyrus?...and the null scums??
This is definitely scumstina.
VOTE: mastinaIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.In post 33, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dammit I want to vote mastina again _-_ lol
CheekyTeeky is the last scum. She spent the day so far shading Mastina but townreads me, me, who is catching wolves based on Mastina's RT. Fake.In post 83, CheekyTeeky wrote:...why am I awake reading this.
I'm feeling the Guillo town read, Shrek. I still can't decipher anything Cyrus says. NM locktown, Mastina can be town until I get paranoid around D3 and T3 idk.
You're welcome, sleep time hopefully for real ^.^
We got them! Bag them and ship them to the funerary, i expect to be no inated for best town performance in a game this year.
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It's how I read when I read I end up reading everything twice in order to find hidden agendas and wall post makes it easier to sneak these in with out catching it . Plus when on a phone it feels like they are twice as long . Plus it makes me read more and if we end up 150 pages with nothing but wall post there isn't a way to catch up in time before day's end.In post 96, Shrek wrote:why do you dislike wall posts?????-
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lol that's rich i will have to remember that for when I'm scum.In post 99, Guillotina wrote:
I would day vig you right now if had such an ability. Im not setting up, I believe that you scumslipped.In post 97, cyrus62 wrote:
I feel like you are setting up miselmation early.In post 93, Guillotina wrote:In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:And Cyrus?...and the null scums??
This is definitely scumstina.
VOTE: mastinaIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.In post 33, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dammit I want to vote mastina again _-_ lol
CheekyTeeky is the last scum. She spent the day so far shading Mastina but townreads me, me, who is catching wolves based on Mastina's RT. Fake.In post 83, CheekyTeeky wrote:...why am I awake reading this.
I'm feeling the Guillo town read, Shrek. I still can't decipher anything Cyrus says. NM locktown, Mastina can be town until I get paranoid around D3 and T3 idk.
You're welcome, sleep time hopefully for real ^.^
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So what's this slip me saying I would quick hammer? I stated why I would .In post 102, Guillotina wrote:In post 101, cyrus62 wrote:
lol that's rich i will have to remember that for when I'm scum.In post 99, Guillotina wrote:
I would day vig you right now if had such an ability. Im not setting up, I believe that you scumslipped.In post 97, cyrus62 wrote:
I feel like you are setting up miselmation early.In post 93, Guillotina wrote:In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:And Cyrus?...and the null scums??
This is definitely scumstina.
VOTE: mastinaIn post 23, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just vote her outta here, buddies likely above null.In post 33, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dammit I want to vote mastina again _-_ lol
CheekyTeeky is the last scum. She spent the day so far shading Mastina but townreads me, me, who is catching wolves based on Mastina's RT. Fake.In post 83, CheekyTeeky wrote:...why am I awake reading this.
I'm feeling the Guillo town read, Shrek. I still can't decipher anything Cyrus says. NM locktown, Mastina can be town until I get paranoid around D3 and T3 idk.
You're welcome, sleep time hopefully for real ^.^
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CheekyTeekyTranslation:lol you got me Master Guillo, i will remember not to make the same mistake again as scum.-
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Does that mean you won't hammer them if they reach e1?In post 98, Not_Mafia wrote:Cheekyteeky is town-
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that was becuse I didn't have a strong standing point I was trying to duplicate my town game note duplicate town game meaning that's just how I act.In post 110, Guillotina wrote:In post 72, cyrus62 wrote:Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.
So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.
This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.
That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.
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he was using meta on a game he had already tanked to read me as scum here I am giving reasons why the meta is bad.In post 113, Shrek wrote:
is this a scumslip??In post 112, cyrus62 wrote:
that was becuse I didn't have a strong standing point I was trying to duplicate my town game note duplicate town game meaning that's just how I act.In post 110, Guillotina wrote:In post 72, cyrus62 wrote:Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.
So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.
This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.
That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.
I would Yeet Roden then Cheeky then you, in that specific order.-
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this topic Carrys no wight here. This was all about a diffent game yes in that game I was trying to duplicate my town game . I feel Zyla is scum looking for stupid reasons to vote me to appear town like.In post 121, Zyla wrote:In post 60, Galron wrote:
Good one, Sparky.In post 54, Not_Mafia wrote:
That's because town are the majorityIn post 52, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record he's right more often than not.
VOTE: Cyrus "I was trying to duplicate my town game" seems like the kind of slip scum!cyrus might make tbhIn post 63, Shrek wrote:
who is sparkyIn post 60, Galron wrote:
Good one, Sparky.In post 54, Not_Mafia wrote:
That's because town are the majorityIn post 52, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record he's right more often than not.
Mastina on the other hand, I was leaning scum for a bit, but then I paid more attention her crumbs, and now I'm mostly thinking town aligned, since I've got two characters in mind that make sense, but I'm not sure because I... don't really know what *counts* as town as far as characters go-
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It's like walking in not knowing the full topic if they had read and followed they would have seen I was diproveing by meta. In the game of queston I had replaced in to a tanked slot and was trying to draw attention to duplicate my town game at the time . Then she jumped in thinking I was talking about this game which I wasn't so it's a stupid reason to vote me.In post 124, Galron wrote:
Kinda depends. Zyla appears to know you a bit.In post 122, cyrus62 wrote:this topic Carrys no wight here. This was all about a diffent game yes in that game I was trying to duplicate my town game . I feel Zyla is scum looking for stupid reasons to vote me to appear town like.-
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Should have been bad meta not by.In post 132, cyrus62 wrote:
It's like walking in not knowing the full topic if they had read and followed they would have seen I was diproveing by meta. In the game of queston I had replaced in to a tanked slot and was trying to draw attention to duplicate my town game at the time . Then she jumped in thinking I was talking about this game which I wasn't so it's a stupid reason to vote me.In post 124, Galron wrote:
Kinda depends. Zyla appears to know you a bit.In post 122, cyrus62 wrote:this topic Carrys no wight here. This was all about a diffent game yes in that game I was trying to duplicate my town game . I feel Zyla is scum looking for stupid reasons to vote me to appear town like.-
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My phone put t3 it should have been mega.In post 134, T3 wrote:
what the fuck tbhIn post 66, cyrus62 wrote:VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.-
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This was a diffent game meta. Altogether .In post 108, Guillotina wrote:
You did in that scum game you replaced me.In post 105, cyrus62 wrote:Do you honestly think I draw this much attention to my self as scum?-
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then this post came in to playIn post 112, cyrus62 wrote:
that was becuse I didn't have a strong standing point I was trying to duplicate my town game note duplicate town game meaning that's just how I act.In post 110, Guillotina wrote:In post 72, cyrus62 wrote:Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.
So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.In post 74, cyrus62 wrote:
Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.In post 73, Shrek wrote:i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.
This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.
That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.
I would Yeet Roden then Cheeky then you, in that specific order.-
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Is thire a reason you don't defend your self?In post 153, MegAzumarill wrote:Is there a reason you like to repeat yourself so much Cyrus?-
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Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.In post 167, Roden wrote:
You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:
VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.-
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careful he used my meta one time to say I was scum when I was town.In post 172, Roden wrote:
Nah, I do it all the time as town because my town meta is obvious. T3 also likes to meta dive so that's why I'm offering that to him.In post 169, cyrus62 wrote:
Some one told me scum use self meta. Town use others meta. So you using self meta makes you look bad.In post 167, Roden wrote:
You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.In post 131, T3 wrote:
VOTE: RodenIn post 58, Roden wrote:That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.-
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I haven't been able to use my joke in a long time. I like to scum claim as town to see who is optonisic enough to go for it .In post 173, Roden wrote:
LHF = low hanging fruitIn post 171, cyrus62 wrote:What does lfh mean?
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Wouldn't that help scum more then town?In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.-
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How do you know it's scum on your wagon and not town?In post 179, Roden wrote:
Only if scum doesn't actually intend to get me to E-1. Otherwise my wagon is pretty pointless.In post 178, cyrus62 wrote:
Wouldn't that help scum more then town?In post 175, Roden wrote:I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.-
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Well that's why I asked how he knew it was scum pushing him and not town since I strong scum read you.In post 184, MegAzumarill wrote:For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
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I agree with this.In post 191, Galron wrote:
FLESHWAGONIn post 185, T3 wrote:
Enchant has 5 posts and 4 are RVS. What did you find scummy?In post 160, Hiraki wrote:
old man thinks it's just reaching rather than scum reaching. could be wrong later tho. i see worse people here for nowIn post 145, T3 wrote:The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.-
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In post 196, cyrus62 wrote:Heck I change how I act everyday in life . Manic depression is a bad sickness.-
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cuse town want town to shoot town sure i think this is a bad post.In post 298, Hiraki wrote:i am telling them to shoot you-
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To be fair I was hoping for a lot more post from t3 by now and basically everyone else. But Cyrus you said it was wild and hard to keep up. Well I should have been more clear its wild and hard to keep up becuse every one seems to be scum reading each other rather then one individual or just a few at least and I'm wondering if I missed something . Plus I'm haveing a hard time reading in to mistina.-
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Wrong I always say get rid of lurkers early . Makes it harder to hide.In post 426, T3 wrote:He has less posts = less chances to be scummy.-
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you know you kinda said the same thing in corno trigger about somebody who was town when you were scum well trying to aim at one of the other people just like your doing now . At t3 do a meta dive of mistina . Check the game corno trigger.In post 458, mastina wrote:
Realtalk; are you reading what I am saying???In post 411, Guillotina wrote:
That is even worse, I think both of them could be scum, associating me with them implies that I'm bussing my partners for no reason whatsoever. I've scum read them based on interactions with you and now YOU think I'm scum with them.In post 403, mastina wrote:
I don't? You're mutually exclusive with both Roden and T3.In post 390, Guillotina wrote:Wtf? HEY! In what world do you believe that im scum with Roden?
The Audacity!
I said that you cannot be scum with T3.
I said that you cannot be scum with Roden.
You cannot be scum with either.
One of them being scum means that you cannot be on their scumteam.
One of them being scum means that you cannot be their partner.
However, this is multiball. Just because you're not scum with T3, and just because you're not scum with Roden, doesn't mean that you can't be scum.
You can be town!
If T3 and Roden both flipped scum, in fact, you'd be the hardest of hard clears.
But until such a time, you can still be scum. Just not WITH T3 or Roden.
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ok ok maybe you didn't say hardest of hard claims but you said auto a lot.In post 2375, mastina wrote:
Well I more meant plenty of time left in the day phase to establish myself as nightkill-worthy. But while we're on the subject of that, I guess it does apply to the number of night phases I can have to get nightkilled.In post 2344, House wrote:Strange statement if that's supposed to be coming from a town perspective, considering there's only 1 scum left.
Obviously, if the last scum gets eliminated, then the game ends, but if we don't end the game today: I can die tonight.
If I live to see tomorrow, that's 5 alive; if the game doesn't end then, I can die then.
So less than I thought (for some reason I thought we had 9 alive so that there'd be 3 nights before lylo rather than 2), but still a long amount of time. I obviously prefer to be a bit more of a shortsighted battering ram of sorts, where I don't need to plan to the lategame since I intend to die or end the game with scum all dead before then, but that doesn't mean I can't. Whenever I am in a game where I've got decent reason to believe that I won't die like my preferred battering ram approach, I always plan ahead, I always think ahead, I always try to balance for the planning, long-term town strategy involved, thinking ahead, setting up for the long 'con' (in spite of being town). And I'm more or less saying that there's plenty of time for my planning and strategy to lead to my death pre-lylo.
I mean.In post 2346, House wrote:Pretty sure it was probably mentioned in the PT.In post 2336, mastina wrote:Granted, I imagine that doesn't hardclear me. I could still have the knowledge from scumbuddies, I guess. But I wasn't aware T3 was Crono until he flipped as such.
While I'm not convinced Lukewarm's town, he does give off town vibes. He's definitely "town enough", as it were. We're not talking, "in final 4 autocleared town", if Lukewarm reached final 4 that would trigger alarms and a need to reevaluate if he's really town, but town enough means, basically, "cleared until final 4" to me.In post 2338, Angel Warriors wrote:I believe all of us agree lukewarm is town so it should be good to do that?
For the record, you're the other slot I have in that category. Higher up mind you, borderline autocleared-even-in-final-4, but I've not done the needed isowork there to be sure. (You are a slot whose both heads I feel like I can read pretty well and you look town but I've not looked at your iso to make sure.)
In post 2339, Roden wrote:Mastina please just pick somebody to claim next. That choice matters in regards to trying to read you.
If you want better than that, what you need to do is to give me time to actually develop tangible reads. I'm mostly improvising, flying by the seat of my pants right now, in trying to find a direction, trying to get a lockdown, trying to get a grasp, a hold, on the game, where to look, what to focus on, what to dig into, where to search, etc.In post 2334, mastina wrote:Not-Angel Warriors and not-you(Lukewarm) would be the best I've got.
On its own, that's a process which takes time. It can be sped up by people interacting with me, giving me better ideas on things to focus on, giving me information, perspectives, etc., but nobody has given me much in that way yet, soooooo.
I repeat:
You have only yourselves to blame.In post 2334, mastina wrote:you want someone whohasn't read the gameand, explicitly,has no reads, to be the first person to choose someone next to claim? Very poor decision.
I've got fuckall of any idea who to select next, it'd literally be selecting a name out of a hat.
Iamtrying tho. I'm working on it.
For the record I've had my thoughts on the setup from the moment I got my role PM but I would like to stress that I feel like any speculation about the nature of the setup is anti-town and only serves to benefit the scum. If the scum don't know what to think about the setup, what to expect, etc., then why the fuck should we give them that insight? So I would strongly encourage you not talk about this chain of thought. Massclaiming is fine, setup spec is not.In post 2341, Lukewarm wrote:I disagree on frog claiming vt. That seems pointless, and just sets us up to all claim VT, and get no where :/
I have a philosophy for precisely this situation!In post 2343, Roden wrote:We're in a really tough spot and I don't think it's wise to trust anyone unless we figure out a hard clear.
It's a philosophy that causes a great deal of grief to town players who're, rightly, miffed that they are suddenly being scumread out of what amounts to paranoia, but in spite of that inherent flaw to the philosophy, I consider it a necessary evil to invoke it when we get to the situation where the last scum can't be found easily:
"When everyone has a reason to be town, it means at least one person who has reason to be town, isn't."
Or some variation on that to give the same basic meaning.
Which is that you have to delve into the reasons for every player being town and delve into the reasons for every player being scum. If a player has absolutely no reason to be scum, then you aren't being critical enough in your evaluation/thinking. Even a player who you can soulread, have strong meta on, have very very strong reasons to be town, isn't immune to this--if you can't see the reasons for that player possibly being scum, you've made a grave mistake, even if the read you have is 200% correct.
The point of this isn't so much to have zero townreads and to scumread everyone, but to engage in more thorough critical thinking, that both gets rid of your biases, gets rid of your preconceived notions, and forces you to analyze more deeply and thoroughly every slot in the game and then weigh them on a scale. So that player who you can soulread and have strong meta on and has strong reasons to be town? After you can see the reasons for that player to possibly be scum, you then dismantle the reasons for why they could possibly be scum by recognizing how weak those reasons are, how unlikely those reasons are, and reestablish how strong the reasons for them to be town are, to solidify them as a slot you should never ever eliminate, at the top of your tierlist from towniest to scumiest.
And then you keep on doing that for every slot in the game, repeating the analysis. Weighing the merits of the reasons for them to be scum (are they valid or are they surface) vs. weighing the merits of the reasons for them to be town (are they valid or are they surface) to evaluate towniest to least-townie overall, instead of trying to necessarily locate the final scum.-
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I think mega and mistina could be partners here.In post 480, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Roden
Baaa
But seriously I am watching mastina do her work and you are giving off really weird reads and vibes this game.
The role claim is kinda strange too.-
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