Mini Theme 2264: Fusion Upick | Post Game

[Flea The Magician]

RVS wagon ho!
VOTE: Nordom

Those familiar with me can expect less of my usual crap.

Nordom, standard practice is Miller claims in their opener. Why are you against it?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Enchant
I'm ascetic.

Or an arsonist - given that was my submission.

[Flea The Magician]

We should massclaim what we submitted.

Crack on then.

[Flea The Magician]

1. Take the playerlist and assign each member a number.
2 Randomize the order of the player list and fuse first the player assigned with the original number 1, the second with number 2, and so on.
3. If a player would have been assigned to fuse with themself, the second step would be repeated.
4. The order of the playerlist is randomized again and the first 3 players are the scumteam. The rest of the players are town.

Huh... cool

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Example Pms

Welcome, MegAzumarill, you are a

Town Silencer.

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will attempt to kill that player.
Your action will fail if your target is not in a private thread with another living player.
Your pick was "Traffic Analyst"

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Reply to this PM with your role name, alignment, and a short description of its abilities.
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Welcome, MafiAzumarill, you are a

Mafia Two Shot Trickster

Factional information: [REDACTED]
Each night, if no partner is performing this action, you may target another player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will kill that player.
Each night, you may also choose whether or not to "Trick" visitors. You may only use this ability twice.
Trick: Assuming no interference to your action, you will cause all players that target you with an action to instead target themself with that action, even if they cannot normally self target.
Your pick was "Bus Driver," as a non-town player, you know it was combined with "Paranoid Gun Owner."

You win when your faction has the same or greater number of living players as living town players, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Reply to this PM with your role name, alignment, and a short description of its abilities.

Please point to me in the spoiler where you believe the role states the role you have been fused with clearly.

[Flea The Magician]

I think A50 just outed himself tbh.

VOTE: Almost50

Outed himself how?

As scum. He's trying to push a fast mis-elim and is ignoring anything that goes against his case.

Spoiler: Example Pms

Welcome, MegAzumarill, you are a

Town Silencer.

Each night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will attempt to kill that player.
Your action will fail if your target is not in a private thread with another living player.
Your pick was "Traffic Analyst"

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Reply to this PM with your role name, alignment, and a short description of its abilities.
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Welcome, MafiAzumarill, you are a

Mafia Two Shot Trickster

Factional information: [REDACTED]
Each night, if no partner is performing this action, you may target another player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will kill that player.
Each night, you may also choose whether or not to "Trick" visitors. You may only use this ability twice.
Trick: Assuming no interference to your action, you will cause all players that target you with an action to instead target themself with that action, even if they cannot normally self target.
Your pick was "Bus Driver," as a non-town player, you know it was combined with "Paranoid Gun Owner."

You win when your faction has the same or greater number of living players as living town players, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Reply to this PM with your role name, alignment, and a short description of its abilities.

Please point to me in the spoiler where you believe the role states the role you have been fused with clearly.

What town role can directly kill people?

What role is naturally Reflexive?

PGO... ?

[Flea The Magician]

ok but there's 2 PMs there to show the link.

How would you know that in the first instance without the maf pm?

[Flea The Magician]

My first thought with the first one was Vig.

PGO fits, as does serial killer.

[Flea The Magician]

Catching up, lets see what we got other than 3ish pages at least...

[Flea The Magician]

A50 you play good then you drop a fishing line... Never know what you make of you like this.

I'm not overly happy with the claim forced with over a week to go.

A gunsmith returns positive on town as well as mafia, any sort of cop fusion will also flag.

[Flea The Magician]

A50 you play good then you drop a fishing line... Never know what you make of you like this.

What fishing? I only said to state whether your role follows Roden's or mine/Galron's/RR's name rule. Could you tell what your ability did by just reading the NAME of your role without the description? I didn't ask anyone to actually say what the role did nor even what it's called. Now how is that fishing?

we passed out shortly after posting >.<

My name isnt fused.

[Flea The Magician]

I was trying to live because my Venge ability still activates if I get NK'd. The fact nobody tried to read me and just sheeped "sCuM sLiP" is so fucking frustrating.

TIL we're nobody, was about to ISO you when we caught up cause LOTS happened.

-F+N

[Flea The Magician]

Also was I the only one unaware that our pick would be redacted on flip?

It's probably breaking in some way, I'm not surprised.

Enchant was that just you lolhammering or did you actually believe that was red?

[Flea The Magician]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

[Flea The Magician]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

If you're recovering, then I apologise. Can you re-read the game and give us some spicy thoughts now that you're healthy?

Sorry didn't realise my health was on your command. My bad oh mighty master.

And no, I can't, because I don't reread games. I barely the the attention span for catch-ups.

Demand shit from me, talk down to me, and you will get fucking rekt. Am I clear?

[Flea The Magician]

Galron

I know

Galron

's scum game from Open 838. In that game he went for pocketing me and Scorpious, while refusing to commit to a serious vote for a long time, instead sticking to his RVS vote. His reads were rather waffly on purpose, he attempted to present a gamesolving attitude, but his actions were not aimed at making an impact on the game in any way.

I feel like his tone in this game is different. His gamesolving attitude can be seen by inquiring into the fusions, which are confusing to all, but thing is - scums have no reason to do that, especially in Day 1. Like, 136 would have to be manufactured if

Galron

were scum and I don't think it was. Town has more reasons to understand the game setup well and to use the game thread for it than scum, I feel.

The rest is pretty much null. The

Ircher

push is null, because I think he's like that in every game and gets scumread for it. But that doesn't mean it cannot be a valid reason for

Ircher

to be scumread. This can come from both a town or scum point of view.

Or

Galron

really upped his scumgame and I'm not seeing it.

Flea the Magician

This... is null.

I've looked through Days 1 of

Flea the Magician

's latest scumgame which was Mini Theme 2259 and one of fae's latest town games I found was Mini Theme 2263. She seems to be more waffly in MT 2259, posting a lot of meaningless posts, and same, but including some game moving content in MT 2263.

While looking at her ISO I found this in her very first post:

Those familiar with me can expect less of my usual crap.

Indeed, fae seems less vibrant and lively, but both from fae's town and scum games. I don't see that much a game solving attitude as I do with

Galron

though. It's more of dropping questions and answers to make it seem like fae is doing something without really committing to anything.

Let's do some pressing.

VOTE: Flea the Magician, what's good?

Almost like I'm on a manic downer after recent bullshit in life and on site...

[Flea The Magician]

Now I'm in a shit mood because I don't appreciate being talked down so i will be back later. Nordom remains a person of interest of mine from D1, Enchants response is more than I expected.

Ircher I'm being pulled both ways on so will review at some point.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea the Magician

This... is null.

I've looked through Days 1 of

Flea the Magician

's latest scumgame which was Mini Theme 2259 and one of fae's latest town games I found was Mini Theme 2263.

Faer

seems to be more waffly in MT 2259, posting a lot of meaningless posts, and same, but including some game moving content in MT 2263.

While looking at

faer

ISO I found this in

faer

very first post:

Those familiar with me can expect less of my usual crap.

Indeed, fae seems less vibrant and lively, but both from fae's town and scum games. I don't see that much a game solving attitude as I do with

Galron

though. It's more of dropping questions and answers to make it seem like fae is doing something without really committing to anything.

Let's do some pressing.

VOTE: Flea the Magician, what's good?

Responding to this a little more...
MT 2259 - Superfight Mafia - A game I was outed as scum in D1 from an awful chainsaw and a game I declared in signups I wasn't going to take seriously as it was a meme game.
A game I absolutely had to fight to win.
A game that drastically reinforces my "high effort is likely scum" meta.

MT 2263 - Web of Lies - A game I caught slipped scum by 6th post due to a PT slip and then I try and mechsolve almost exclusively as that becomes viable due to the slip.


Your case is bad and you should feel bad.

Looking at my wiki page and recent bans will give you an indicator of whats happening that cause me to be lower effort than usual.
VOTE: Greeting
Going over Nordom later, I'm sure one of my posts went unanswered and wilfully. I need food, drink and my meds.

[Flea The Magician]

Anyway, back to more relevant stuff:

As for the

Ircher

wagon, tbh his ISO doesn't look too great. I didn't like and totally don't agree with his game solve from 171. I took it with a pinch of salt at the time and kinda ignored it. I have an issue with that though, namely I'm unsure if that isn't simply how he normally plays mafia. I'll need to check his game history before considering jumping on this wagon.

I am sorry for your bad mood,

Flea

, and sorry for the abuse that was aimed at you. I try to respect your pronouns too, sometimes unfortunately I forget. That doesn't, however, mean that you can't have gotten a red PM in this game.

I'm sorry to hear that. Who do you think should be the major suspect right now?

I'm assuming that's me given your vote. What makes me your prime suspect now?

All of the above have already been answered.
Do not belittle me.

I am well aware that bullshit around me currently does not prevent a red pm, nor does you mishandling of my pronouns which I was more subtle about.

The attempt to use the last two games as solid definitions of meets ignoring that both had extenuating circumstances is misrepresentation and creating a false narrative, the post weird above is continuing this attempt to misrepresent with the implication my dismissal of your crap case is little more than correction of my pronouns.

You and Nordom currently. I'm mobile so unable to takes as much of an in depth look at Nordom.

[Flea The Magician]

S/meets/meta

[Flea The Magician]

All of the above have already been answered.
Do not belittle me.

I am well aware that bullshit around me currently does not prevent a red pm, nor does you mishandling of my pronouns which I was more subtle about.

The attempt to use the last two games as solid definitions of meets ignoring that both had extenuating circumstances is misrepresentation and creating a false narrative, the post weird above is continuing this attempt to misrepresent with the implication my dismissal of your crap case is little more than correction of my pronouns.

You and Nordom currently. I'm mobile so unable to takes as much of an in depth look at Nordom.

Okay, so it's an OMGUS vote. Thought as much.

I don't feel like pushing the issue of your pronouns further actually. I apologised and said that I'll do better. If you continue to take my vote and my post personally because of that then I can't really help it. My vote stays, hopefully you'll soon actually prove to everyone, including myself that I was belittling you (as in, underestimating your contributions to the game and not of you as a player or person), because I don't feel that I am.

S/meets/meta

If this post was for me then I have no idea what you mean by it.

You are wilfully misinterpreting my posts. I'm done with you.
I corrected pronouns, I didn't push it you started pulling on that string, that's on you. I've explained my vote, if anyone else wants to ask about my position they're welcome to.

If you want to push that my vote is personal that's on you, good luck, have fun with that.

The second post is a spelling correction.

[Flea The Magician]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

If you're recovering, then I apologise.

When you're able, can

you re-read the game and give us some spicy thoughts

?

now that you're healthy?

Sorry didn't realise my health was on your command. My bad oh mighty master.

And no, I can't, because I don't reread games. I barely the the attention span for catch-ups.

Demand shit from me, talk down to me, and you will get fucking rekt. Am I clear?

Is this kind of "everything is a personal attack to me" a tell that your town or maf?

Sorry, I didn't mean to infer your health was as simple as that. What I meant was <insert here>

Quote hacked to make you less condescending and more talking to someone who is an equal.
English is difficult, there is a lot of tonal words and structure that can be used to make a point - and we have formatting to help emphasis parts we need for emphasis.


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Love ya Toogs.

[Flea The Magician]

Quote hacked to make you less condescending and more talking to someone who is an equal.
English is difficult, there is a lot of tonal words and structure that can be used to make a point - and we have formatting to help emphasis parts we need for emphasis.

>Calls someone out for being condescending
>Proceeds to condescend.

You love to see it.

Given the lack of apology and continued rudeness I figured I'd try your way, see if it helped.

[Flea The Magician]

Given the lack of apology and continued rudeness I figured I'd try your way, see if it helped.

Blood from a stone, my friend. Now vote Radical.

Convince me thats a better vote than Greeting currently, then I'll consider it.

[Flea The Magician]

I will reveal the info day 4.

Ircher you rarely live that long when you're town....

[Flea The Magician]

First of all, I haven't claimed anything. Second, why is that useless?

You've all but claimed tracker or watcher at this point and then gone on to attempt to fish what sort of PR.

If investigative, you risk painting a target on that person and denying town their information.
If Mafia, vote them if you believe you know who it is.

If you're town you're spitting free information for scum.
If you're scum then you're fishing.

I'm strongly considering the second here.

[Flea The Magician]

While I have my mind and my computer...

Greeting -
Your initial slam on me was using meta from my recent games as examples of my behaviour.

What you failed to consider in both of those games is that in my scumgame I was chainsawed D1 to a point I could not win that as last one standing. In my towngame I caught a scumslip claimed in my SIXTH post and started going into mechsolve as that was viable.

Both games have elements that make them non-standard games.
Both games have elements that make them anomalous in their respective groupings.
Which means neither game can be used for a comparison for my behaviour and not only that you should not use one game as established meta.

Take into that as toogs said my play often centres around my mental state which given recent events around transphobia and recent medication changes is going to be unstable. Honestly - that I haven't gone at you for using incorrect pronouns but instead opted instead to correct a post I was responding to was me acknowledging I'm likely to fly off the rails about it due to my own stressors currently. Yes I took a passive aggressive route, I did not call you directly on that but you seem to think I have been and that is forming the basis of my vote. It is not.

The one other consistent pattern in my play is I let other players come to me. I read their intentions better when they come to me. I then either dismantle their case then counter-case them or just cut to the counter case.

Your suspicions, opinions and/or case has been dismantled, thoroughly.

You dismissed that as OMGUS based on personal and emotional reasoning - not only dismissing my efforts as "hah you're just voting me because I'm voting you" which is frankly low, but then you're attempting to impose both an emotional and mental state upon my vote to further discredit and invalidate it.

Not only that, you somehow have strong associatives with Nordom currently.

Speaking of, Nordom

My first post in this game addressed you with a RVS vote which became solid and asked you a question you promptly ignored.

Nordom, standard practice is Miller claims in their opener. Why are you against it?

I still want you to answer this. You ask a lot of questions but seem hesitant to actually answer any. You also seem to move your vote around a lot and never seem to engage with Greeting, there's a throwaway town lean in 188 which is dismissed by yourself in 202 by your "ping pong thoughts of a brain whirl-pooled in alcohol".

Oh and fwiw, thanks for being one of the people that make it harder for people like me broken and fragmented brains to get the help we need.

More reading has you asking questions, follow ups are at least somewhat present if lacking in conviction.

261 feels like TMI and wanting credit for not doing the thing to me.

377 is your next mention of Greeting, the booze fuelled townread is now replaced with what "unimpressed" and "trying to get in a venge towns good graces" <CSF>

You are skirting around forming a solid Greeting read instead opting to take the flavour of the day around them and you're currently trying to generate a wagon that isn't Greeting here.

You've also taken the discredit with emotion/pronouns/HAH SNOWFLAKE route against me.

I get it, I'm LHF and an easy target.

Sadly neither of you know me enough to be able to make that route work.

One more left to find. Flea out.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry, guys. I'm leaving the site because of nonsense matters. I'll shortly be replaced. I enjoyed playing with you guys and the "fusion u-pick" setup was a great idea. gg and godspeed.

I hardly call what you've pulled nonsense, basic respect is something you need to survive in a modern world.

Fortunately the trash takes itself out. Good riddance.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry you repped into a scumslot Dwlee, I assume you stand by your predacessors claim of a maf visit on toog then?

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry you repped into a scumslot Dwlee, I assume you stand by your predacessors claim of a maf visit on toog then?

1.) Why aren't you voting me if you think I'm scum
2.) Yea that was a thing

1 )Taking out your partner.
2) Good to know.

[Flea The Magician]

Also not to trivialize anything but if you're town I'd like you to separate nordom being <bad> from my slot being <bad> if you get what I mean

You know I'll always reassess a replaced slot.

[Flea The Magician]

We have someone whos claimed to show as both alignments, jsyk Dwlee.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm annoyed at that to say th least.

going to revist this later when my brain is more in gear

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Enchant
I'm ascetic.

Or an arsonist - given that was my submission.

Amazing.

OK so given the asetic claim, what have you learned?

[Flea The Magician]

I think it means Ircher has primed 2 players and will ignite tonight but their death is delayed to the next night. (But don't quote me on anything cuz it seems like my mind is always going places that I misinterpreted my own role, and as a result I can now say I have no guilty on Ircher regardless of whether he was Ascetic or not)

OK, so I was a "Host" which I took to be a Reflexive Neighborizer. The description of my role can be interpreted both ways and I was under the impression a hood would be created

because

someone (or more) targeted me. The hood lasts for a day (the day next to that night I was targeted). On D2 I was in a hood all by myself which can be explained by Andante's flip (at least in my mind it did).

In D3 (today) I also found myself all alone in a new hood, and the only 2 explanations I had were that Dwlee somehow decided to target me of all people or -much more likely- I was targeted by the ASCETIC so my ability didn't affect them.

When Ircher withdrew the Ascetic claim I still couldn't imagine Dwlee targeted me, so I asked the mod and... *Sigh* .. my ability actually creates a hood regardless and then if I am targeted the player(s) are added to it. So I could very well have not been visited by anyone and I still got the hoods (the D2 one was already locked by the end of yesterday)

So, when I thought Ircher visited me I was like "If he was an Investigative he knows I'm town so why would he still include me in his solve? If he was an informative he knows I didn't go anywhere. If he is a protective it doesn't make sense that he protects me and call me scum at the same time", so the only option left is he was a Scum PR himself, and that's the "guilty" I was talking about

Now regardless of that, I still do not feel like Ircher's reaction was one of disbelief or even skepticism, but rather one of scum resigned to the fact they have been caught, but -much to my dismay- I can't say I have anything solid on him anymore.

How serious is this post A50?

[Flea The Magician]

Words hard, mostly prdge.

If scum had control of a vig shot, I can't see why they wouldn't have used it already, especially with two confirmed townies last night.

It's theoretically plausible that if scum were given a gun but didn't use it, and took no other action, they were forced to target Andante on Night 1, right? It's also theoretically plausible that Roden, not having enough information to work with, decided not to give a gun to anyone, right?

I might go and check and see who Roden was town reading Day 1, but I'm not sure it's really important.

Anyone who's been paying more attention than me have a list of known possible fusions and submissions at this point?

Will compile later.

If everyone in the game SRs ircher, ircher is probably town. if not, depends i guess. lean scum though for sure.

Ircher townlean.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm still not entirely with it, pain is bad.

Someone asked about my fusion, I don't want to reveal what I'm fused with. Flavour seems counter to arsonist and my first 2 targets have been targetted as "yeah we don't want these igniting."

I can stop ignition... but not tonight. I would need to target Ircher tonight and activate tomorrow.
My understanding of Irchers role basically is a mass neighbouriser which means there's a good chance I've misread my role.

VOTE: A50 - I may not be in the same solar system currently but your logic seems to be in another galaxy.

[Flea The Magician]

That I can see, nobody has claimed any of the potentials that is my other half.

Still out of it, getting more with it. D4 brings my full force, promise. <3

(myalgia pain flare and fog, for those wondering)

[Flea The Magician]

Why Flea over Ircher? Because I believe the Neighbor thing, and that's harmless enough.

Flea on the other hand, appears to have claimed an Arsonist/Roleblocker of sorts, which doesn't match up with any other known picks, but could potentially interfere with what Town power we have left if it is true.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

Have been prodded, still not at my best.

I am definitely fused with a RB or vanilliser or something.
I initially thought it was some form of mass JK which ya know, awesome. I can mass jailkeep and buy more time. Turns out it's a mass roleblock. Which means in theory I can get a set of clears at once if we aim well.

[Flea The Magician]

Also why in the heck is it when we get ill people just decide "GET FLEA DANGIT!"

Like it's actually consistent now we fall ill and people jump on.
It's disgusting.

[Flea The Magician]

If people want me on Enchant I will happily end the day there, but it won't prevent my firing or it just gets Enchant blocked. Which honestly I'm liking that idea currently.

[Flea The Magician]

Why Flea over Ircher? Because I believe the Neighbor thing, and that's harmless enough.

Flea on the other hand, appears to have claimed an Arsonist/Roleblocker of sorts, which doesn't match up with any other known picks, but could potentially interfere with what Town power we have left if it is true.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

This is out of nowhere and reads like someone scared that I can get clears.
you also have no stated read on me at any time and have kept me strictly in mechpoe.

AoE powers are amazing - especially in the combination I have. I need to read you later.

[Flea The Magician]

I've been ill for this week.

there's a whole 2/3rds of the game to read me on as well.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh.

Toog was Godfather+VIP/Whatever i quess?

Funny.

Either way, i want everyone to:

1. Enlist your claim and suggested role. Yes, again if you did it, makes easier to look.
2. Say all your actions performed, from day 1 to last night.
3. Who the fuck you suspect
4. Who the fuck you doesh't suspect.
5. Idk what to instert, i just consider 4-lists are lazy, so it be 5-list.


I start.
1. Town Siren, Lighting Rod.
2. Singed N1, redirected Galron on me. Nothing N2. Singed N3, redirected Cat on me.
3. FLEA
4. Galron
5. loflofloflfolseoflesfefregre

Arsonist and ??? (

jailkeeper

/Roleblocker/rolestopper/vanilliser?)

Prime Toogaloo, Galron, A50 on respective nights. My ignition WILL DISABLE ALL ACTIVES AND PASSIVES OF PRIMED TARGETS except for PT access. THIS CAN BE REMOVED BY ANOTHER ROLE.

Galron.

Nobody at this stage.

I currently share 2 PTs and confirm I was targetted by Ircher N1.

[Flea The Magician]

If I fired, yes. I didn't. My list who is I've "primed" or chilled as per my flavour. Nobody has been frozen yet.

[Flea The Magician]

I can confirm the PT with A50