Mini 731 Speed Dating Smalltown: Over!

[MafiaSSK]

I'm here. I read up until about Page 5. Will continue read from there.

[MafiaSSK]

Still reading. Sorry I've had limited access today and yesterday. Thought Emp is looking sorta scummy

Fos:Emp

[MafiaSSK]

'Kay. Done with read.

The first part of day 1 it did seem like Empking was being his typical scummy meta and decided to attack Farside for craplogic. Farside had defended herself and this could have just been an argument between the tow of them. But, Korts defended farside as well and as thus attacked Empking. I think this could be a sgin of bussing but I'm not sure.

Fos:Korts/Farside

Empking does seem his typical scummy self. I would supporthim as a lynch on Day 1.
Oman, I have never played with before and really don't have a meta on him. From his posts though I would say he's town.
Tanarin, I only know from IRC, and on IRC it seems like he plays more aggressively as scum. I'm not sure.
Shanba, seems town. I can't point out any specific posts but Shanba seems to be fitting his(?) town meta.
Neko seems like noob town IMO.
OP could possibly be scum. He doesn't post as much as the rest of the town does so I'm not sure.
BSG, seems to lurk so I'm even less sure about his.
RS, is the same case as BSG.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm actually getting quite close to helping lynching Emp for a few reasons:

1. This isn't getting us anywhere, no-one by Tanarin is looking elsewhere

2. The game is stalled around this

3. Today will likely end in a deadline Empking lynch anyway.

Why aren't you reading the game? Also, why didn't you or anyone else read possibly the biggest post I've ever post and as a replacement as well?

[MafiaSSK]

But, Korts defended farside as well and as thus attacked Empking

Mmm, so you think I should've let that piece of craplogic fly?

I believe you should have let Farside alone take care of the craplogic.

[MafiaSSK]

But, Korts defended farside as well and as thus attacked Empking

Mmm, so you think I should've let that piece of craplogic fly?

I believe you should have let Farside alone take care of the craplogic.

Korts wasn't the only one calling it crap logic. I don't recall if he was the only one defending me. If no one said anything about Emp's comments all you would have is Emp and I saying. No you, no you, no you and that gets boring you know.

Yet, Korts was the one defending you the most. True there were other people but he was defending the hardest. And IIRC he actually defended you against a scumtell.

[MafiaSSK]

But, Korts defended farside as well and as thus attacked Empking

Mmm, so you think I should've let that piece of craplogic fly?

I believe you should have let Farside alone take care of the craplogic.

Korts wasn't the only one calling it crap logic. I don't recall if he was the only one defending me. If no one said anything about Emp's comments all you would have is Emp and I saying. No you, no you, no you and that gets boring you know.

Yet, Korts was the one defending you the most. True there were other people but he was defending the hardest. And IIRC he actually defended you against a scumtell.

Et tu Bruto?
Don't tell me you really think not looking at a time difference is a scum tell?

I call it a very very very very minor scumtell.

[MafiaSSK]

Yet, Korts was the one defending you the most. True there were other people but he was defending the hardest. And IIRC he actually defended you against a scumtell.

Well, if you call farside not getting modkilled a scumtell, yes. Go back and read that argument. What I did was point out that that isn't a scumtell; when Empking replied, I answered his points, which he answered, which I replied to usw.

Indeed you did. Whoops. I just misread.

[MafiaSSK]

Unvote

FS is scum, though. I'll pretenfd that FS doesn't exist from now on.

Did nobody notice this?

I'm fine with alternative bandwagons for pressure and a well-rounded D1 discussion, but to what extent are we willing to let empking get away with things like this?

I have to admit, though, that I'm having a difficult time finding a good answer to the question of why scum would push such a poor and unpopular case for so long. Is he just trying to appear to be scumhunting? Surely he could do so in a different manner. Is Farside scum and they are just trying to do some uber-distancing? I think farside is better than that, but it's possible.

Considering that there is plenty of time left for D1, I have no problem moving my vote, but I'll be watching Emp.

unvote; vote: RS

Post something useful.

Why are you ignoring the case on you?

[MafiaSSK]

And then jumping on the nearest bandwagon?

From what I can tell, I've already addressed the points brought up about me. Oman and Shanba can't decide whether or not they think I'm scum.

If there is a specific question or concern that somebody would like me to address, I gladly will.

[MafiaSSK]

EBWOP

And then jumping on the nearest bandwagon?

From what I can tell, I've already addressed the points brought up about me. Oman and Shanba can't decide whether or not they think I'm scum.

If there is a specific question or concern that somebody would like me to address, I gladly will.

[MafiaSSK]

Shanba, I'd just like to know if you think that tunneling in on one player with really shitty reasons is excusable. I think we may just be at a point of disagreement.


Korts, my reason for picking the PGO will obviously have no meaning for the town as I'm unconfirmed, but from my perspective, I'd rather not let scum have the chance to take the role and thus be subject to investigations. You don't have to like it, and I in no way expect you to, but that's my reason.

Neko has this been the only defense on your case?

[MafiaSSK]

As far as my interactions and vote on emp, clearly not. Is there any reason you need me to tell you this rather than you use the "Display posts by" function? You asked me why I'm ignoring the case on me, yet you haven't explained what it is exactly I'm supposed to have been ignoring.

I used it but I still had to make sure seeing as your posts show no real huge posts of defendingnesss. And I thought there have been multiple cases on you that haven't been answered by the people asking them but apparently not...

[MafiaSSK]

Any reason?

[MafiaSSK]

BSG: I'm getting a town vibe from Tan in our private convos.

[MafiaSSK]

Doing PBPA of neko will be done end of Sunday latest.

[MafiaSSK]

Kay so far from my PBPA I'm getting a gradually growing Town read of Neko...

[MafiaSSK]

So..Hi guys. I'm new to smalltowns...So anything important, fill me in.

Anyway...

Vote SSK

policy.

Hi Xtoxm and why the midgame policy vote?

[MafiaSSK]

Because you always lurk and kill games. I saw..Open 93, I think it was.

I was in about 7 games at that point in time I believe. And I couldn't really get into that game so I decided to lurk and do a little bit of killing of that game. Yet, I hated doing it and so I joined Kursi Club.

Now in this game, I am more active than usual(especially 539). I am also actually scumhunting in this game.

Anyways, you should check your games before you actually do a policy vote midgame.

[MafiaSSK]

Now in this game, I am more active than usual(especially 539). I am also actually scumhunting in this game.

Scumhunting? You haven't even put out a single vote out yet, not even a random vote. You have only gave a finger of suspicion towards korts and empking and Tan and Neko has given you town vibes. I would hardly call it scum hunting.

unvote, vote: Mafia SSK

I thought I had voted neko a bit earlier on,apparently not.

[MafiaSSK]

Interesting that you immediately post after Xtoxm voted for you. Maybe a little pressure is all you need?

Pressure does seem to work on me usually.

[MafiaSSK]

It actually works on me too, to be honest. I usually post more, when addressed specifically and pressed. Otherwise, I tend to take a back seat, I guess.

It works on nearly everyone. Hence why there is such a thing known as a "pressure vote".

[MafiaSSK]

Note how OP makes a fairly good point and then concedes how he does such things too. If the latter is true, why did you think it was a scumtell in the first place?

I was basically thinking aloud. I don't have anything to hide, so I might as well type out my thought process behind everything. I think it'd be scummy for me to hide that I do stuff like that too, somethings, so I just put it out there. It didn't occur to me in the first place. My vote stands though, since I still think MafiaSSK is scummy.

How come?

[MafiaSSK]

You sir, are an ass.

Anyway, just looking at the roles, I think the only ones we should consider for today's lynch are:

Mason
Role Switcher
Switch Blocker

All the others are some kind of useful, for their power, or producing results and stuff.

I think a chronic lurker lynch on a useless mason is great for D1.

How have I lurked this game?

[MafiaSSK]

Emp, may I ask you something. Why do you feel the need to post with an alt in this game? Especially after the mod has asked that people don't do that? If there is a legit reason I would understand, but is it that difficult to log in with your regular nick and post?

I'm really bad at posting with the right account. Its not something I do on purpose.

Would either of you call this an actual scumtactic?

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK: No, I highly doubt it would be any sort of scumtactic. I'm just asking why. Though if you were to use his logic from earlier, the act that he wasn't modkilled means he must be scum.

WORST LOGIC EVAR!!!

There is absolutely no way this makes any sense in any good mod's mind.

Agreed.

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK: So when will we see a neko PBPA? Or do I need to go and get it all set up?

Nearly done. This game has not been at my top priority as thus I have focused less on the Neko PBPA because I have limited access.

[MafiaSSK]

I can go with a me-lynch, I don't see any point in keeping my role.

Unvote Vote Xtoxm

Don't blame me if SSK kills the game again, though.

So you either want town to waste a lynch or your so actively fed up with this game that you hate your role and yet again want to waste a lynch.

Also has it looked like I've been killing the game, Xtoxm? Have you seen a major lack of activitiy recently?

[MafiaSSK]

No lynch > Killing a useless role

[MafiaSSK]

only if the person selected is arbitrary, I don't believe Xtoxm to be scum./

Why only if arbirtary?

[MafiaSSK]

For those people who have played with Xtoxm before, can you please describe his playstyle for me. And to SSK, is this how he gets when he is town who hates his role or scum who hates his role, since you seem to have played with him before when he has done this.

I've forgotten his real playstyle and it probably has changed since mini 539. But in 539 he did not treat himself like this when he had a townie role.

[MafiaSSK]

Shanba: He self hammered in this game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9690

I have to look up something. I think I remember another time, but I think every time I've seen Xtoxm do it, it was a hammer vote.

He also did it here as scum:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 95#1386795

[MafiaSSK]

I'm curious about Empking's results.

[MafiaSSK]

Maybe we should Massclaim our actions from last night?

[MafiaSSK]

I didn't call Xtoxm

town

ever. I said that the case on him was weak, and it was weak because the basis of it is his lurking, something which I've seen him do as town multiple times.

Isn't that the same as calling him town?

[MafiaSSK]

you're right

How were you able to forget something on the front page?

[MafiaSSK]

No.

How so?

[MafiaSSK]

I guess I can have one vote go to Korts.

Vote Korts

[MafiaSSK]

I guess I can have one vote go to Korts.

Vote Korts

I know I'm going to not get an answer but I have to try right?
Why are you voting for Korts?

For not doing what the town wanted him to do. I don't count it as super suspicous so I only single voted him.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK... You don't get a choice in the matter, it's automatically a double vote.

Priscilla the Princess

Double Voter

: Priscilla has always been privelaged and popular. She has gotten used to having her voice heard above everyone else's and has gained this power amongst her speed dating cohort. Each day whoever is with Priscilla will have their vote counted as double. However, since Priscilla is always right she will not separate her double vote between two players, that would demonstrate a lack of self-confidence.

Now may be a good time for everyone to not only read what their current role does, it seems everyone has forgotten already.

Oh.

Unvote

Fos:Korts

[MafiaSSK]

Only scum lies.

Bullshit, straight out.

I am insinuate stuff as town but I do my best not to lie. I don't recall lying as town ever.
(pause)
Oh well Oman you lie no matter what. It's your nature not mine. I think lying is stupid as town. It hurts the town.

I believe I can quote you saying the oppisite it a MD thread.

[MafiaSSK]

Me or Farside?

I really approve of lying if it favours the town, yeah its a hard choice to make, but we have to give people some reign.

Farside.

[MafiaSSK]

I really think Emp is town and Farside is scum pushing for an easy wagon right now.

[MafiaSSK]

Vote farside

[MafiaSSK]

Right. I've counted op off as such obvious scum that I've forgotten about him. And I guess Farside desrves a fos not two votes.

unvote, vote op

[MafiaSSK]

Vote farside

Reason?

I would still like an answer, SSK.

Also, your jump onto one of the leading wagons with little reasoning and the power of two votes (putting him at L-1 btw) is noted.

My reason was that FL seemed scummy with the argument. No real tell standing out here.

I have reasoning. I have posted it before.

[MafiaSSK]

My reason was that FL seemed scummy with the argument. No real tell standing out here.

With what argument?

Most recent one with Emp.

[MafiaSSK]

I do find it entertaining when I see MafiaSSK saying I'm looking for an easy wagon in empking but after that he votes OP on little to nothing

Tan and I did some talking Day 1 about OP. Sorry I forgot I hadn't posted anything in-thread about it

[MafiaSSK]

On another note completely I really get scum vibes from Korts that just aren't going away. His reasons for hohum and case is really lacking.

I've been skimming Korts ever since day 1, where I became all but convinced he was town. I read the argument at the beginning of the day and, frankly, it looks like a storm in a teacup to me. I don't like his liaison with empking, earlier, it looked very much like he was trying to link himself to emp, but that's all I got on him.

Wait, isn't that what rereading is for? Isn't it to make sure you don't have biased opinions of people?

We really need a dead scum. I just feel that if we get one scum, this whole game will break open, but it's not quite there yet.

Indeed. I do agree with this.

[MafiaSSK]

On another note completely I really get scum vibes from Korts that just aren't going away. His reasons for hohum and case is really lacking.

I've been skimming Korts ever since day 1, where I became all but convinced he was town. I read the argument at the beginning of the day and, frankly, it looks like a storm in a teacup to me. I don't like his liaison with empking, earlier, it looked very much like he was trying to link himself to emp, but that's all I got on him.

We really need a dead scum. I just feel that if we get one scum, this whole game will break open, but it's not quite there yet.

Oman's being quiet is that normal for him? Last game I was in he was pretty talkative and turned out to be scum. Now I get the complete opposite. He seems like a player who is quick to turn around 180 as town or scum. However more games I've played and he was quiet he was town.

I believe I have only ever played one game with Oman and he was town and posted a mediocre amount and was town.

[MafiaSSK]

Yah I'm torn with OP. It fustrating when you feel like no one is really posting anything and you just want to lynch Empking to make yourself feel better.

Wait I said that out loud didn't I

Wait Emp's going to vote me know because he doesnt' approve of jokes.

What is your actual general vibe from Empking?

Also, might as well do
-SSK

[MafiaSSK]

farside, what's your opinion on mafiassk?

Few points: He's a slacker. His vote on me for going for an easy wagon is laughable. His quick vote to OP for no reason is highly questionable.
He says he talked to Tan about his thoughts on OP. Tan should confirm if this is true or false.
Funny thing is I got all warm and fuzzy with MafiaSSK's day 1 proformance. He wasn't kidding when he said he doesn't post like that typically. Usually he waits for the biggest BW then types an analysis on the person who has the highest vote count. This by far game wise is not a normal MafiaSSK.
Overall I don't have a read on him as scum or town.

Good, then I'm not alone in thinking that his posting has deteriorated massively from day 1, where I was thinking he was town. Very frustrating. I still have no clear idea with where I'm going with my vote as, tbh, I think that op's latest posts, the ones where she gets worked up, look somewhat townie.

Yeah, it has. Life's taken me by the hand and thrown me around.

[MafiaSSK]

I do find it entertaining when I see MafiaSSK saying I'm looking for an easy wagon in empking but after that he votes OP on little to nothing

Tan and I did some talking Day 1 about OP. Sorry I forgot I hadn't posted anything in-thread about it

I don't understand what you're saying here. You were daytalking with someone about an ongoing game, outside of the game thread?

Do you pay any attention to this game's mechanics?

Anytime mason. Got it.

So you just read the game mechanics a week or so after you replaced in?

[MafiaSSK]

Unvote Vote Neko

I want to revisit this.

Does this count as you doing a PBPA of Neko?

-SSK

[MafiaSSK]

*sigh* Pretty much everyone, with the exception of Oman, who seems to be the only smart person this game, seem to think I am scum. I am good as dead.

Nice job insulting what at the time was a small bandwagon.

Right now, I think the scum team are neko/Emkping/MafiaSSK. I would be fine with lynching any of the three. Korts has been dropped, I am afraid.

Wait where's your case for the three of us especially being together? Also why has Korts been droppeD?

@Empking: No new information? Uh, yes there was. How about the fast wagon on me that MafiaSSK quickly sprung upon, which was the basis for my vote?

Not if you skim through the pages.

It's not the fact that MafiaSSK is voting ME, but it is the way he quickly joined a wagon (which just happened to be my own) with very poor reasoning, putting the person at L-2 and everything, mixed in with his entire performance this game. If you just look at his posts in isolation, you'll see how little he has contributed to this game. He's active lurking. Those are scumtells.

Do you not know my meta? I do NOT come up with the best reasoning especially when I am skimming pages(you can tell that when I write very short sticatto one post and one-liners). How have I contributed little to the game? I have attacked about 5 people I think.

@farside: I HAVE been playing the game. I was just playing it poorly day 1. I would like to think that I have improved day 2, personally, but there seems to be a wagon randomly on myself. I have gave my reasons.

You have improved some but not much. Hence the wagon still on you.

@Shanba: You would think that, considering you're voting me too. I don't really see the point of a one liner - I wasn't being omgusy towards neko, but whatever I say won't convince you anyways, so it's just a wifom mess.

Which is a scumtell.

I would REALLY be interested in why I am scummy and a case on myself. I think I have addressed almost everything against me, and most of the "case" against me is just mere speculation.

Your welcome.

[MafiaSSK]

farside, I would say no to that thought. Here's why: if scum can choose roles for others instead of themselves, they have a far better way to mess with the town. Choosing for ourselves is the better way to go.

Don't you think if scum did this it would out them if they couldn't explain why they pick a role for a person.

That leads to WIFOM.

The four hour timespan between your posts 25 and 27 was not nearly enough to give Emp the chance to ask questions;

Korts started the misrepresentation of the time difference by asking about 2 post. However he neglects to mention that one post was asking. The second post in question was giving a time limit to Emp:

Could or could not be a scumtell. Korts could have had a moment of forgetfullness.

if they use Wendy's ability without the town's permission (this will be noticed by everyone I presume) they will be subject to a lynch unless they can adequately explain their reasons.

I have yet to find the reason adequate. I would like someone beside Korts explain why his reason for using the ability was an adequate reason.

It is definitely not an adequate reason.

When the discussion on wendy is brought up early he states:

Also, I myself think that this will need to be decided later, when we will have a proper read on those holding powerful roles and those holding useless ones.

He does state the following after:

As a further thought: we'll (or rather, you will) probably need to decide whether I can be trusted with this role, and whether the player above me on the list (Seraphim) can be trusted with this role if it's decided that I shouldn't use Wendy's ability. Again, though, this will probably need to be decided prior to a lynch instead of here and now.

I still don't know why this matters because we go back to lynching the person if they don't do as the town ask.

So he basically did offer himself to town if he used his ability. Hmmm.

Fos:Korts

Why is Emp comment about me being scum based on a non modkill worth voting on?

IIRC we had little information still and that was some information.

I do note that the time the Emp was trying to push his BS about the modkill Korts was on his butt like fire on a tree.

He pushed what he believed was right.




I really don't like this post:

I agree with Shanba on the Empking wagon when it comes to Empking's role, and I agree that his craplogic and tunnelvision isn't scummy, only anti-town. If the majority wants him for a lynch, he'll still be around tomorrow, but tracker is possibly the most useful role in the setup for town, and the least useful for scum.

Could this be Korts breadcrumbing that he might use his ability just to keep Empking with a role that could be better for town either way?

Most of the time I see a few good points about Korts but after he gets the role of Wendy he then brings up the idea of the person who would have the role next. Seriously I want someone to explain why this is bad. If the town says hey don't use they ability and they do they should be lynched. So why is this such an issue.

Because people forget to bring stuff up. Especially a month or so after the post.

[MafiaSSK]

By the way after quickly skimming Farside's posts I am leaning towards more her being town.

[MafiaSSK]

I really think Emp is town and Farside is scum pushing for an easy wagon right now.

No an easy wagon is voting for you as most feel you are not playing and typically should be voted out day 1 for being that type of player.

He's not the only person in this game that should have been voted out D1. I'm still surprised Empking is being allowed to get away with coasting for this long as well.

People can improve very easily.

-SSK

[MafiaSSK]

The case on MafiaSSK is not just the vote to L-1 on OP--that is a big point, but there is also the talk about a non-existent case when he had barely accused OP ever.

So please get a lynch together people.

How is this a strong case?

[MafiaSSK]

SSK, mind sharing your D1 thoughts on OP?

Lurky and just overall scummy.

[MafiaSSK]

I do find it entertaining when I see MafiaSSK saying I'm looking for an easy wagon in empking but after that he votes OP on little to nothing

Tan and I did some talking Day 1 about OP. Sorry I forgot I hadn't posted anything in-thread about it

Why didn't you? If you guys thought I was soooooooo scummy Day 1, you could've brought it up then. I don't get why neither of you mentioned it till now.

We were focusing on neko at the moment then. You were a close second though.

The only reason I am probably a major target is because I am just a mason today. Which I get, the mason is not really important, especially when neither of the masons are using it (!!!!) making it useless. There are definitely more important roles. That's for sure.

No, not really. Did you see either Tanarin or I get attacked by anyone Day 1? No you didn't. So stop appealing to emotion.

Is me being mason a major factor for anybody?

Not really.

[MafiaSSK]

Since your talking so much MafiaSSK can you expand more on your reasons for OP as scum?

Overreacts when voted on, appeals to emotion, attacks people with little information, occasionally hops on to Bandwagons.

[MafiaSSK]

EBWOP:

I know that isn't expanding much but that's as expanded as I can get it to right now.

[MafiaSSK]

@Korts: Was this

I agree with Shanba on the Empking wagon when it comes to Empking's role, and I agree that his craplogic and tunnelvision isn't scummy, only anti-town. If the majority wants him for a lynch, he'll still be around tomorrow, but tracker is possibly the most useful role in the setup for town, and the least useful for scum.

a breadcrumb?

[MafiaSSK]

@Korts: Was this

I agree with Shanba on the Empking wagon when it comes to Empking's role, and I agree that his craplogic and tunnelvision isn't scummy, only anti-town. If the majority wants him for a lynch, he'll still be around tomorrow, but tracker is possibly the most useful role in the setup for town, and the least useful for scum.

a breadcrumb?

No. What would I be breadcrumbing here?

That you would use your ability as it would help town either way.

[MafiaSSK]

@Korts: Was this

I agree with Shanba on the Empking wagon when it comes to Empking's role, and I agree that his craplogic and tunnelvision isn't scummy, only anti-town. If the majority wants him for a lynch, he'll still be around tomorrow,

but tracker is possibly the most useful role in the setup for town, and the least useful for scum.

a breadcrumb?

No. What would I be breadcrumbing here?

That you would use your ability as it would help town either way.

How do you get that? I'm curious.

Bolded for you.

[MafiaSSK]

Thank you, Tan.

This got me thinking, what did you think of SSK while/after talking to him in private?


SSK, same question about Tan.

I thought Tan was town.

[MafiaSSK]

I looked at who is where and I don't think hohum should use the ablity. I'm good with the roles being changed for next day.

I agree with this and am obviously for an Emp lynch over a me lynch.

Unvote,vote Emp

[MafiaSSK]

So... ineffectual mafia are harder to find? Come on, there's 40 pages of material here. Surely there's something besides gut you can find.


I see I'm no longer in OP's list of people he'd like to lynch. I seem to drift in and out of there with no warning.

Yes they are, because they're not pushing lynches, they're not dodging bullets, they just sit by and watch. Yes, they really really are harder to find.

Hence why lurking is an anti-town tell.

[MafiaSSK]

Yes...I agree to a point. I've seen a lot of lurkers turn up town though. I just need to man up.


You know what, bugger it

Vote Empking

Lynching scum is better than none right?

The meta was getting too open someone had to break it.

[MafiaSSK]

How the heck did that happen?

[MafiaSSK]

OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP

[MafiaSSK]

farside, you can now see that my apprehension concerning hohum was justified--I think my case on him presented yesterday was enough to keep him from a powerful role.

OP, Shanba, and Korts are scum. Shanba most likely from vibes. Korts because of reasons mentions previously. Same with OP

Heh.

vote: MafiaSSK

If this vote needs to be explained at all, you need to view MafiaSSK in isolation up to this post. You haven't once mentioned reasons for voting me.

Oh really? Look at post 951 and various other posts along side it.

Add to this yesterday's referencing a non-existent OP case, and I see a pattern of lazy opportunism.

Tan and I both explained it.

Note how SSK's most recent scumlist strangely coincides with farside's suspicions on two out of three points (and the third probably differs only because farside's third one was SSK himself).

Or maybe its because they're the most scummy overall.

Unvote(if I've voted),vote:Korts