Mini 148: Christmas Mafia! Game Over!

[Dragon Phoenix]

Merry Christmas everybody.

I'll read the thread later this weekend.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, 15 pages is a lot to go through, and Bambi and I are going out in a moment.

It looks like MeMe and Doomcow are the favourites.

Can I ask both of you to point out (or recap) in a post of max 10 lines:
[1] why you are not scum?
[2] why the other is scum?
Others are welcome to chip in.

That will give you something to do while I find the time to read the thread.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Thanks for that advice Meme, I just did.

* head explodes *

Things simply do not add up, no matter what assumptions I put in.

One question to MeMe: can you find a reason why a mafia group with mason Doomcow in it would eliminated rival mason Stewie, thus confirming the existence of a second mason group (up to Stewies claim, the assumption candles=townie seemed reasonable). It simply does not make sense to me.

Gut feeling tells me that Doomcow and HM are scum, but MeMe cannot be the second killer, so who amongst the dead (or living...) is the serial killer then??

[Dragon Phoenix]

DoomCow, you have 24 h to show up.....

OK, more thoughts.

MeMe is not a lone killer (given the role blocking action of Coron night 1 with two deaths), and I have difficulty piecing a mafia group together with her in it that makes sense in the game set-up. Also the claim of Santa, after people had already speclated that Santa might be mad would be an incredibly gutsy play.

On the other hand, I could see a game where the town seems overpoweringly strong but has no mafia but just two lone killers, hidden in the two mason groups. Which would make Stewie one of the killers, and either Doomcow or HM the other.

[Dragon Phoenix]

dmi has a proven role which does not make sense at all to be mafia, certainly not in collaboration with Santa Claus. The same for my role.

That Stewie was not revealed as a killer does not mean a thing - I've seen plenty of games where alliances are kept secret until the end.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Not convincing. for better or for worse:

Vote Doomcow

[Dragon Phoenix]

I delivered a card from HM to MeMe. No particular reason to choose these two names. I have been so absorbed in getting on speed with the thread and the MeMe/Doomcow situation that I did not find out whether there is any significance to my choices.

[Dragon Phoenix]

OK, here's my take on the situation.

There are still no announced dead scum, so I think we can safely conclude that some of the dead are scum, and that alignment is indeed not revealed.

The most likely candidates for the scumbags is for me still the mason family pop, mom and kid. In which case we are now left with a lone killer, who indeed would have every reason to eliminate the last mafia member. If that scenario is true, MeMe is in the clear (role blocked night 1).

Which leads me to deduce that Dmi is scum.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Ah, so you think I'm an SK, which means MeMe would've found me guilty.

Um, no. Unless I'm missing something, but a cop normally gets an INNOCENT on checking a serial killer.

[Dragon Phoenix]

And DP - really? I've always assumed a regular SK shows up guilty unless given a specific perk to prevent it.

Not in my games, and in many other games I played in. Then again, things are not quite normal in this game.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, I cannot vouch for every other mod. I just told you what happens in my games and the games I have been in, the latter as far as I remember. See also

http://www.geocities.com/gldragonphoeni ... ators.html

[Dragon Phoenix]

Nope. Did not happen.

[Dragon Phoenix]

If Dmi is indeed responsible for the choice of songs (which seems more than likely), then a card sent from song-chooser Dmi to Doomcow (as chosen by Xanthe) could very well appear as a commercial for a radio station, right?

I also could imagine that whomever receives a letter dies (anthrax anyone?), but a sender?

[Dragon Phoenix]

And I'm feeling extremely uneasy about the fact that you claim to have deduced that Dmi is scum...and he's said the same just about the same of you...but neither one of you has voted. It makes me feel as though you're both sitting there waiting to add a second vote -- even if it's against

me

.

I don't like rush votes in the endgame. I want to explore all possibilities. Like you brought up the whole card sending thing. More later.

Is there any scenario in which this game could feasibly go into another day? I'm wondering if there's anything to be deduced from the fact that mole has titled the thread "last day." Does that mean for sure that there's only one bad guy left? Or is it impossible for us to go into a second day regardless of the number of the alignments left?

I read this indeed as one scum or SK left. Which means a result after today. Even in the case of a no-lynch.

Another thing, though -- my vote did sit on Dmi for 40 minutes or so without you jumping on it. I wish I knew whether or not you were online during that period...

I could easily say yes and clear myself. Honestly, I was not at the computer during that time.


OK, now the more.

Which one of us is the most likely scum based on the role.

Santa Claus? I could see Santa in some perverted way as a serial killer, but that option is still out given the first night role block. I can't see Santa in any more or less logical combination with revealed roles as mafia.

The mailman? Where's the logic - as stated if the recipients die, you could make a case, but that's not what happened.

The songselector? Unlikely, but.... of course we always hear the songs while we discover the bodies. Is that a subtle clue from the mod??

[Dragon Phoenix]

It's fun doming the simulpost thing, right?

[Dragon Phoenix]

Thank God for that.....

And dmi, you did not address at all the issue I raised - whether this was a hint by the mod.

Voting is simple now.

Vote Dmi

Over to you MeMe.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, if you really are town MeMe...



And thanks for giving me a final chance to convince you after this sudden switch.

[Dragon Phoenix]

No.

Well, if you really are town we can always jointly blame FD for the set-up....

[Dragon Phoenix]

But really, I think DP/Xanthe's it.

Nope, innocent. And dead.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Can I be the first to day that this set-up, including the execution with the no alignment revealed, sucks? No offense to mole obviously.

Still, congrats to MeMe.