This should answer Herodotus too. In the information vacuum that we started the day in the best plan logically would be to go with a random choice. Semioldguy typed it in the thread before I could. Naturally I assumed like minds think alike and that Semioldguy is town. This plan got us out of the information vacuum and I placed my vote to give the gun to someone that I thought was a)logical and b)townish.Diamondilium wrote:A few questions:
a) Are you serious or joking around? It appears to me that you are serious but clarification is necessary.serious
b) If you are serious, do you feel like we should give semioldguy the gun now? If so why now?as opposed to when? I'm not following the question. I voted for to give it to him doesnt that speak for itself?
c)Do you agree that we shouldn't tell the vig to shoot or that we should stick with the mods random vote.I dont like the idea of controling the vigs actions. This also means I do not like Semioldguys new plan. more on this below
d)If you are saying that you agree to stick with the mods random vote, then why are you voting for semioldguy and not the mod's random selection?
Required lynch my ass. What if the vig doesnt stick to your plan and shoots scum by using his own reasoning? do you still lynch him?Gateway wrote:Here is the way I understand it. And the vig lynch day two with this plan is required EEM, I will explain.
Right now we want oldguy to have the guy, right before we do a lynch on day one, he will instead shoot the person at L-1. Basically doing the lynch we agreed upon as a majority anyways, and getting rid of a role that could be devastating in scum hands.
@ EEM: Insane, where is that logic coming from?
It was part of the plan, so let's see, we do the plan, person with the gun lies and shoots someone else... and we shouldn't lynch them? I think you are the one that is insane EEM.
That is not going to happen though and is a complete waste of an argument. Semi is clearly going to get the gun now, adding votes will speed it up so we can get to the lynching stage and start our scum hunting.
Kinda a null question as I dont have the power to give it to him alone so I wont bite. I placed my vote and I explained my reasons. That should be enough.Diamondilium wrote:As opposed to later (from when you posted it), when all of the players had weighed in or at least there was more to analyze.Diamond (Italics: EEM) wrote:b) If you are serious, do you feel like we should give semioldguy the gun now? If so why now?as opposed to when? I'm not following the question. I voted for to give it to him doesnt that speak for itself?
I disagree. We would have more pinpointed information to analyze if one person is responsible for a death rather then a whole bandwagonful that needs to be sorted thru.Diamondilium wrote: EEM, although there are disadvantages to the plan (namely scum influence on the gun-lynch), the benefits would outweigh the advantages. If the gun was just used as a one-shot vig, we won't have nearly as much information to analyze as we would if it is used as a lynch. Not only that, but if it is used as a lynch, there is less of a chance that the gun owner is killed or otherwise stopped by the mafia before he or she can fire.
I was thinking nightkills if the gun was not used on day 1. I assume there are normal nightkills in this game.Rishi wrote:Hmm. Do you know something? I don't see how anyone will die except through lynching.evilevilmatt wrote:@modwhat would happen to the gun if the gun holder were to be killed for any reason?
Do you really want me to answer for Lowell or do you want him to address it himself?Herodotus wrote: Why don't you agree with the case on Lowell? If you're town, you should be providing reasoning for most things you say. Please also respond to the list I made in post 147.
Finally, why aren't you voting?
Are you always this generous to lurkers or is this a special case?Amished wrote:Unfortunately it's the weekend, and even though he promised 3 days ago that he'd have content 2 days ago. Weekends I'm not always around (as evidenced by the start of this game) so I question how much pressure *now* will help. If I see him around, I do want to see more out of him and if it doesn't come I'll be suspicious.
His last post *on the site* was in this game, so we'll just have to see when he comes back.
Complete 180. Also feels like a challenge, question is do I want to accept or not.Amished wrote:You're welcome? No, his reasons for not being here seem legit, which is why I'm waiting. Go for it and lynch him if you really think that'll be the best course of action right now.
Was neutral until he chose to ignore your case and let other people answer for him. Now he's in the scumish category. Specifally after your post with the list 147, he posted twice post 149 and 162 without trying to refute the case. (Diamondilium's response to the case was 168)Herodotus wrote:What is your opinion of Lowell's alignment, and why?
I still think you guys are scum together.Herodotus wrote:People really are okay with what Lowell has been saying and doing?
Yes, as well as there is a OGB/Herodotus connection. With Musher his last post with the attack on DGB doesnt sit well with me.Amished wrote: @EEM: I kinda can see a connection between Lowell/Hero (soft, and I'd have to check for other things between each of them and the other players) but I don't see any connection between Oozing/Musher. With the latter, are you just picking out the two most lurker people?
I really wasn't trying to suggest either, but now that you mention it, the first group would be better suited for lynch as they already have wagons.Amished wrote: And then are you suggesting voting them for a lynch or trying to have Semi deal with them?
Yes, I feel there are connections that can be explored if the listed people were to be killed. As well as being my scum list.Herodotus wrote:Explain this. Does that mean one of the first pair, and one of the second? And why?evilevilmatt wrote:My top picks for death today.
LowellorHerodotus
as well as
OozingGolfBallorMusher333
Depends on the Person. If Lowell is killed and flips town my suspicions of Herodotus will be reduced as where I pointed out Hero's treating Lowell differently from Kebanon will not be trying to defend a scum buddy. On the flip side is Hero flips town I'll still suspect Lowell about the same.Amished wrote:Then what happens if your read is wrong on one of them? Say we mislynch a townie, does that then clear the other a little bit, or are they still scummy enough to lynch?
I guess I should ask a question back do you think there is a link between Herodotus and Lowell? Wouldn't a link between the 2 make chain linking them a good thing if one flips scum?Amished wrote:Or the case that I'm particularly worried about if one is scum and the other isn't: what happens if we do correctly lynch scum, isn't that more of a confirmation bias and you trying to set-up a chain lynch?
There probably 3 scum and I listed 4 people I wouldn't mind seeing killed. One of them is most likely town. Mafia is always a game of best guesses and acceptable loses (especially day 1).Herodotus wrote:If I believed about two players what you say you believe, then I would say that one of the suspects should be vigged, and then if they were scum, we should probably lynch the other. Your plans seem assume that the person vigged will turn out to be town. The only way you could know that is if you are scum.
Herodotus wrote:Notes on EEM's alignment: (I'm borrowing Lowell's + for town, - for scum, and adding = for null-tell.)
His starting posts are speculative and/or buddying. (-)Do you still disagree with semioldguy being protown? Why is it so hard to think a person would want to locate and empower someone who was being protown. That was the point of the gun voting in the first place.
He earned my vote by refusing to answer a direct question because it was about Lowell ("Do you really want me to answer for Lowell or do you want him to address it himself?" You're the one I asked.) In the meantime, two other players answered it. (-)I still wouldnt want to answer cases for other players just like I wouldnt expect someone else to answer for this case. I would have been willing to answer for Lowell if thats what you wanted and if others hadnt done so on their own.
Answers the replacement question. Considers Lowell's decision not to respond to a case a scumtell. While I disagree -- I think it's a null-tell, and the only thing that matters is the case and the validity of any defense offered -- I've seen Zazier use this reasoning as town in a marathon game, so this looks townie of him. (+)
Post 188: a peculiar thing to say about DGB, but I don't know what to conclude about it. May hint that DGB is not a scumbuddy of EEM? But then there's the WIFOM... (=)
Post 209: A bit silly. Aggressive, which I'd see as a town-tell, but reprimanding me for being aggressive. The part about Kebanon/Lowell doesn't tell me much about EEM's alignment either, but this post foreshadows a tell that will show up later. (=)
Posts 269-282: The diamond of scum-hunting: knowledge he shouldn't have. He accuses Lowell and me of being scumbuddies, but he calls for only one of us to be killed. If he's town and thinks we're scum together, he should want one of us vigged, and then if that person is scum, he should try to get the other lynched. After all, if he were right, then lynching someone else would be a likely mislynch, whereas the alternative is killing 2 scum. This to me suggests that EEM doesn't even consider it possible that Lowell or I would flip scum if vigged, which is knowledge he shouldn't have unless he's scum. (--)Vigging Lowell would have been a better plan...
Post 289: Then he names a specific number of scum. He says "probably," but it's still curiously specific. I had to reread the flavor text from page 1, but there's nothing to indicate 3. (-)1 to 4 ratio is pretty standard I thought. How many do you think there is?
Post 290: Everyone is supposed to be grilled by most other players. (-?)Indeed (?)
Bite me. Sinse he got the gun I know I'm not alone finding him protown. Sure, I did before anyone else did but wtf man let it go. Now answer the question. Do you think semioldguy is protown or not?Herodotus wrote:Notes on EEM's alignment: (I'm borrowing Lowell's + for town, - for scum, and adding = for null-tell.)
His starting posts are speculative and/or buddying. (-)Do you still disagree with semioldguy being protown? Why is it so hard to think a person would want to locate and empower someone who was being protown. That was the point of the gun voting in the first place.Straw-man.
Its a playstyle arguement. I called you on your case being crap before anyone else did. Once you confirmed you wanted me to instead of Lowell I would have except other people answered for Lowell point for point before I could.Herodotus wrote: He earned my vote by refusing to answer a direct question because it was about Lowell ("Do you really want me to answer for Lowell or do you want him to address it himself?" You're the one I asked.) In the meantime, two other players answered it. (-)I still wouldnt want to answer cases for other players just like I wouldnt expect someone else to answer for this case. I would have been willing to answer for Lowell if thats what you wanted and if others hadnt done so on their own.I asked you to, and you didn't; that was my point.
This.Amished wrote: Then after that (below EEM on the list) it seems to me like you're more neutral given that you've unvoted hero as well. After that, it's lurkers that you're neutral on. The lack of suspects is mighty concerning to me, as in my games as scum I've found it hard to pick out scummy actions for people you know to be town. I'm definitely keeping my eye on you.
If this isn't an attempt to avoid being lynched today, then you need to explain.Lowell wrote:Thanks for not lynching me. This will pay off.
