Mini 789 - 9p SODSMN Over

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Hai Guys

Word.

Call me Liam? How about I call you scum.

Vote CallmeLiam

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Yep. I'm scum trying out this new tactic called random voting. Unfortunately I got caught red-handed post 3. Woe is me.

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vote: crywolf20084

Numbers are scummy

crywolf

20084

killa

seven

Scum tells applied inconsistently. Scum found. Proceed to lynch.

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You seem pretty over eager to vote me there. You wouldn't happen to be scum, would you?

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maybe i was being sarcastic? maybe i was playing a jedi mind trick on you...

I'm too strong for your mind tricks. I could see myself easily falling prey to online sarcasm, on the other hand.

@IH: What's up with the "cool story bro" shtick?

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Yah i do find it scummy.
Idk if I like it either.

If it's scummy, why no vote? If it's scummy, why would you have to debate whether or not you like it?

I'd omgus but cay already has two votes. Damn.

Why is that an issue?

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The game already began. Korts started when the majority of players had confirmed.

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I feel deceived by your confirmation.

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I'd omgus but cay already has two votes. Damn.

Why is that an issue?

It isn't. I like voting for people with no votes more.

Looks like some fuzzy logic to me.

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Def don't think so. I think fuzzy logic=obscure logic.

I demand answers for post 30.

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ok...lets

unvote

Why?

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K7 and Goat: Why is the unvote so suspicious to you?

He makes a random vote and then unvotes it with pretty much no content in between. I don't know if it's all that suspicious, but it does draw a "why" reaction out of me.

Well I try not to post much in the random dicking around phase of the game unless people address me directly.

I've played a game with you before. I'll have to dredge it up and see if this is consistent at all. I don't recall you saying anything of the sort.

Because I didn't see the worth of a random vote, I mean, it seems like it's something used to start suspicious from nothing real. At this point I prefer that my vote go for a better reason

So why random vote in the first place if you consider it to be useless?

As town, anything I contribute is white noise and unhelpful, as scum anything I contribute is potentially gonna give me away so the less the merrier.

Purely false. Maybe you are the worst scum hunter in the history of mafia and any contribution you make as town isn't going to help others find scum. However, it still helps others get a read on you. There is no downside to you contributing as town.

As mafia, though, sure, lurking is good for avoiding tripping up.

I don't play into people's game when they openly admit to playing anti-Town to help their Scumgame.

Did I miss something? I don't recall him admitting or even insinuating that he is playing this way to boost his scum game.

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falko, can you answer my question in 62?

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Unvote, Vote SensFan

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I haven't liked either of your votes thus far.

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Fair enough. I await the more detailed explanation.

I consider OMGUS to be a null tell. SKs vote with the newbscum explanation didn't really strike me as all that scummy. I was already somewhat suspicious of you, so your vote stood out more.

Crywolf: You call out SK's vote as scummy but then also want to hear more from Falko. Do you agree with the wagon on him or no? Also, you never answered my earlier question or my post telling you to answer my earlier question? Are you avoiding it?

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Unvote

I'm satisfied with that response for now.

Ok. I'm at L-2. I hope that IH and scum maybe are happy now.

With 2 most votes, you can lynch me. so, assuming that there is two scum out there, if that happend you people just look who are the Bandwagon vote, and who would produce a townie lynch

Why do you feel the need to distinguish between IH and scum. I thought you were voting him under the impression that he is scum?

Your second paragraph is basically saying that you are two votes from a lynch and with two scum they could place those two votes and get you lynched. At least that is how I'm interpreting it. That kind of assumes that scum aren't already on your wagon. Yet you are voting IH, who is on your wagon. Explanation?

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Oh, and Deep South means we can lynch as often as we want. The idea is usually to get at least 2 lynches per scumkill.

I think you are wrong about that.

(23b) Day is defined as the interval starting when the mod declares the start of Day, and ending either when the lynching vote is placed or when deadline hits.

Mod: Day will end as soon as a lynch is declared, correct?

I'm leaning newb town on Falko right now. I'm not fond of Sens idea that either he's scum or a good policy lynch and thus we should kill him either way. It's a nice way to justify being on the wagon even if the "he's scum" angle were to fall through.

Sens: Can you link me to games where you support policy lynches as town?

I hate walls of text.

...

Now i'm gonna attempt to read them.

Def didn't get around to that

Tell you the truth, I have no clue why I didn’t vote. I prob should've, but now I'm glad I haven't. I'm not sure about Falko, but

IH's questioning is through, imo.

So you mention that you didn't read through the walls of text. Then you go on to say that you're happy you didn't vote IH because his questioning is thorough? Really? I was under the impression you didn't get around to reading that. Sounds like BS to me.

Vote Crywolf

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still here. waiting for falko to swing.

What do you think about my current vote? Nothing to comment on the huge walls of text from IH/sens/falko?

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I feel Goatrevolt and Killa Seven both look scummy so far. Goatrevolt because that sarcastic remark about being scum -- always a warning signal, and because of the way he tried to nitpick Liam's vote in post 10. He seems focussed on Liam for no apparent reason until that post.

Sarcastic remark about being scum = null tell. I responded with sarcasm to an absurd accusation that clearly wasn't serious itself.

The way I handled Liam is something that I will occasionally do in the random phase. I'll make a "case" for why someone is obviously scum using spurious logic. I picked Liam specifically because I had played with him before and he struck me as the kind of player who might actually respond to it in a meaningful way.

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I'm sure that a mislynch is clearly anti-town, and doesn't good to the town in general. Why you would porpose to lynch quickly, no matter if is town, instead go deeper in analisys and try to cast as accurate vote as possible? Mafioso 100%

But I would like to other people to tell me what do you think about it, before I cast my vote for sens.

Some people do advocate policy lynches.

Speaking of which, Sens, I asked for links to any games you have proposed policy lynching as town. Do you have any games where you've done that?

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Posting because I was prodded.

Waiting for Cay to answer my vote.
Waiting for SensFan to give me his meta on policy lynching.
I would love others to comment on my vote on Cay.

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Sorry, but policy lynching isn't pro-town, nor is it anti-town; it's by definition a

policy

.

It can certainly be anti-town depending on who proposes it.

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Considering vig isn't on the list of roles, waiting for him to get vigged would be a bad idea. I also disagree that we need to automatically just lynch him now. Cop/tracker/watcher are possible roles in this setup capable of clearing people or finding scum that make these kind of policy lynches not a necessity. I think this mentality is either dumb or scum driven (and maybe a combination of both).

Unvoting a random isn't bad. It's the timing that drew my attention. He random votes, and then a couple posts later just unvotes it for no real reason, and as the sole purpose of that post.

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I had a busy weekend where I fell behind in my mafia games, and now I have a busy week where I can do more falling behind in mafia games. I will only be posting sporadically at least until the end of the week.

I'm still waiting for Cayke to address my vote. I will vote to lynch Falko to avoid a deadline no lynch. I would prefer a SensFan or Crywolf lynch, though.

Sir Tornado: We still need to lynch Falko? Is that why your vote is on Killa 7?

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I had a busy weekend where I fell behind in my mafia games, and now I have a busy week where I can do more falling behind in mafia games. I will only be posting sporadically at least until the end of the week.

I'm still waiting for Cayke to address my vote. I will vote to lynch Falko to avoid a deadline no lynch.

I would prefer a SensFan

or Crywolf

lynch, though.

Sir Tornado: We still need to lynch Falko? Is that why your vote is on Killa 7?

Out of the blue much?

Not really. I've expressed various amounts of suspicion of you this game. I don't think Falko is scum, and I think you've been trying to hammer home an easy lynch.

I'd much prefer a Cay lynch though. I really think her "I'm glad I didn't vote IH because his questioning was thorough" in combination with her also saying

she didn't read the posts where IH questions Falko

is a pretty strong scum tell. Can you say scum just skimming and writing off IH as town?

Currently, Shadow Knight is the only player to have commented on my vote or reasons for thinking Crywolf is scum. If you think I'm pushing a weak case, please, elaborate. I certainly think it's far better than the falko case.

In addition, I don't like her recent vote on SK, in which the only reason provided is...a prod? At deadline?

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Meh. If I get killed tonight, keep an eye on Sens and Crywolf.

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Vote Crywolf

FoS: SensFan

I'm not sure which of those two is more likely to be scum, and actually, both could certainly be scum together. I'm going to go with Crywolf thinking IH was town based on posts she didn't read as slightly scummier than SensFan's bad push on falko for now.

I want to reread both Sir Tornado and Shadow Knight. I don't have much of a read on those either way.

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Un-Baaaaaaaaaah-lievable.

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This game was really painful to watch.

With that being said, I am happy and relieved that we won. I thought it was game over when I saw SK being run up day 2 (my pick for the 2nd scum was Sir T at that point), but the quicklynch swung it completely back into the town's favor. I again, wanted to pull my hair out the final day when people weren't immediately jumping on Oman (since the other 3 contributed to a scum quicklynch), but good job in finally hammering that home.

I really had hoped people would go after Cayke after I got like instantly killed as soon as day 2 began, after spending all day 1 pushing her and jumping back on again day 2.

Also, she called someone town without reading their posts. That's an obvious scum tell. Grrrr!!! Partially my fault definitely, as I didn't put enough time into the game to hammer home her lynch, but still, *shakes fist*. At least Oman was scum. I was really annoyed he kept saying how Cayke was town, and I'm happy to see it's because he had ulterior motives. For what it's worth, I thought you played a good game Oman. I didn't pick you as the other scum until after the quicklynch.

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T_T My first scum loss.
Ah well, least the game was fun, and i kinda got cocky and feeling like everyone was super scummy and felt like it could be an easy win.

Yeah, I thought it was going to be an easy win for you as well.

I'm still mad that nobody payed any attention to my suspicions when I died. What other reason would I have been killed for?

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T_T My first scum loss.
Ah well, least the game was fun, and i kinda got cocky and feeling like everyone was super scummy and felt like it could be an easy win.

I'm still mad that nobody payed any attention to my suspicions when I died. What other reason would I have been killed for?

WIFOM.

I used to think that, until recently where I've started being killed off and each time it corresponded to someone I was going after being scum.

Scum kill people for a reason, folks. It's not WIFOM.

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T_T My first scum loss.
Ah well, least the game was fun, and i kinda got cocky and feeling like everyone was super scummy and felt like it could be an easy win.

I'm still mad that nobody payed any attention to my suspicions when I died. What other reason would I have been killed for?

WIFOM.

I used to think that, until recently where I've started being killed off and each time it corresponded to someone I was going after being scum.

Scum kill people for a reason, folks. It's not WIFOM.

But as soon as people start looking at scumkills, then they'll kill to frame people.

Hence WIFOM.

So you're going to ignore relevant evidence because a meta change might happen if you do pay attention to it? Doesn't make sense.

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That's exactly the point though. Why ignore something the mafia have complete control over? Do the mafia kill randomly? Obviously not. It's not a waste of time to attempt to figure out why they kill. And for the record, I have never once seen a mafia commit a kill for the purpose of "framing" someone. That's like ignoring scum pushing a wagon on a townie because that wagon was something scum had complete control over.

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But sometimes I kill because of powerrole breadcrumbs, other times I kill because of suspicions, I doubt you could tell which is which.

Not necessarily. But is it not worth it to even go back and look at the killed player's suspicions? I mean, /sour grapes over a win here, but it really bothered me that I was killed after repeatedly asserting Cayke was scum, and nobody really cared to look into it.

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I think the falko lynch would have been acceptable day 1 if Cay wasn't caught in a direct lie...

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What lie O_o:

You saying IH's questioning was "thorough" and you thought he was town despite also claiming to not have read any of those posts.