Mini 790- Skywalker Mafia: Game Over

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/confirm

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Woo!

Vote: Santos

holding us up. >_>

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Wow Zaz. That's difficult. :O

If you break your restriction, is that a modkill? o_O

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Well, now we know that Zaz isn't lying with her post restriction!

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..er... I guess for anyone else that doesn't understand.

Zaz can only post the first syllable of every word. That's why she violated her post restriction here (post 35):

Which post? I am try to be like this guy, but so far I can not

over

my pro

Bolded word for emphasis.

Brilliant, Iago, brilliant!

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I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. o_o

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Rolefishing!

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Character fishing!

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FoS: Santos

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Yep, character fishing.

Now because I realized it after the back and forth. :S

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Yup, annoying.

Whatcha mean by this? Is this a reference to Zaz and Jar Jar again?

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I al sup this, if it would in Yu Kaj :

Go JPop!
But.. who's Yu Kaj?
Yuna...
Yusuke...
Kaj, hm.

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@Zwet - to lynch that person or to lynch in general?

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I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

or easy d1 lynches in any case.

No. They're good Day 1 lynches. You do not want millers getting to Lylo or anywhere close to it.

This reasoning would force us to lynch 2 millers - assuming ThAd isn't lying.

2 lynches = 2 nights for scum. ;/

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Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Ah!... Oh no... now you claimed miller too...

Does that mean you offer yourself up? lol.

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on a more serious note...

This is not en

tirely

true though. Will say more af

ter

I have post

ed

a list of nick

names

for each play

er

.

^ for Az and anyone else who didn't get the "en" part.

My fi will start to. As I am li in the Ne, these will be ta a to of three weeks. Some days will be off though. Just sa as my ac might be less.

Er... I don't get...
fi = ?
Ne = Netherlands?
ta = ?
to = total?
sa = saying?
ac = activity?

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On a more serious note than before...

MafiaSSK, were you also informed of another miller in your role PM?

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More Ad votes, please.

Er... sorry...

I don't understand the Ad part.

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More Ad votes, please.

Er... sorry...

I don't understand the Ad part.

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Duh. Thanks again.

I'll support a ThAd lynch purely for confirming MafiaSSK as town.


For now,

Vote: ThAdmiral

(L-5 I believe)

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Zaz, which post(s) are you directing me to for

Re

ad

please.

?


The ending part of 126 seems like a post in good humor.

Speaking of posts.... will numbers also break your post restriction?

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Aha! Repost or restate or reason!

If... we lynch ThAd and he's town, we confirm MafiaSSK as town - the whole chocolate townie role.

Henceforth - confirmed town (even though he's a miller) for us.

[see post 100 and then the top of 126]

126 seems like he's just poking fun.

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So...

@ort

they are all voting for the millers for cross-confirming each other, which means at best we will simply be wasting a day/night cycle and quite possibly being two townies down.

this was just to prevent miller WIFOM later... but...

Apparently I figure most (all) of you want to keep these millers in this game.

I suppose I can't disagree with that - MafiaSSK

knew

the miller role (chocolate townie), I suppose he

must

be a miller with ThAd.

The

only

problem we have now is if they're both scum. I don't see a way to prove that except if one of them die.

I shall

unvote

for now.

Other than that...

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Using ONLY win conditions would not be a good idea for the basis of a lynch. See Zwet's post 178.

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wait, what?

Maf, ThAd, and Azhrei?...

So.. 3 millers?

doubt it. o_O

let's see...
we know ThAd is chocolate...
we know MafiaSSK is chocolate...

er... Azhrei...

maybe chocolate?

I guess...

I have my eye on
ThAd
MafiaSSK
Azhrei

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From what I understand, ThAd's pm says that he knows there is

one

other miller out there.

Of course, Azhrei could just have a role pm worded just a little differently, and have a completely different role. *sigh*

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@Azh --- oh no no no. Don't claim.

Un-I got my eye on everyone

I listed.

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egack! no no no don't! Modkills are scary.

SILENCE FOOL

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MafiaSSK - so you had no indication of a miller in your pm?

Santos-

If a decision is made for this modkill, then I am inclined to venture elsewhere than hang around this 'miller' talk.

... what's wrong with the miller talk?

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@Sir, what's wrong with miller talk? I don't know. I don't think its worth our time unless we're seriously going to lynch millers who most likely will turn up town. I'm thankful they didn't claim death miller!

Well...
We don't know if we're going to lynch millers that turn up town... which was what the discussion was for... no?

Blah. :S I don't know if I said that right.

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@ZWET

....

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My role pm claims that there is, to paraphrase, another chocolate townsperson. It could just be the role name though so I may have gone a bit to far with saying that it stated that the other person was definitely town aligned.

To be honest I think chocolate townsperson is the same as town aligned...
Meh.

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Other than that, if one of these claimed millers

is definitely

going to be lynched, I'm going to say it should be ThAd - he actually has notification of another miller. If he's town, it confirms he's telling the truth - if anyone else counterclaims the other miller, I'd say lynch that person because..

a) he/she didn't come earlier when he/she had the chance like MafiaSSK did
b) he/she made us go through a whole D 1 of miller talk.

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Yeah seriously, our most active player is stuck with that nasty post restriction. Bahhhhh.


To be continued...

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On that matter, I'm back!

Gotta catch up with everything. :S

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Can we lynch one of the mil now? Rox has claimed af he has re his win con, that he had no in of a mil in his role Pri Mes (see this). Ac to Ad, the mil part was sta with his win con. Which to me means that he does not have the same win con as Rox.

Wasn't this the reason I wanted to lynch one of the millers and you sad it was a bad reason?

Are you in fa of lynch a mil, and why?
Al, why did you add that last bit now, and not if it hap af that?

I don't understand the first part.

I added it for planning, ha.

Furthermore on the "he's town", "he's probably town", "I think he's town", "I can't 100% confirm he's town" thing - it basically boils down to something similar to what mafiassk said: while my role tells me there is another chocolate town out there this person might only be "chocolate town" in name and not necessarily in alignment. Essentially a bit of bastard modding could be going on.

... ouch, I don't know how to take this.

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Other than that...

I wouldn't mind lynching Zaz at this point to be perfectly honest. I wouldn't put it past zwet to have made her scum (especially with an in-thread confirmed post restriction). I didn't like her calling up ThAd on a point of detail (him saying he changed flavour so that a mass-claim could break the game then her calling him out on this because zwet didn't explicitly say it was to avoid people breaking the game). I also don't like her insistence that we lynch one of the millers and if they flip town, lynch the next. That sounds like a horrid plan.

On the first point (flavors and claim), I don't find this much of a case against someone... thorough isn't bad...

On the second point about millers, TBH town seems like a split on that.

I think we should vote on whether or not we would should lynch the millers (before actually lynching them).

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'Do you pre to lynch a mil?'

On that thought, after the discussion, I'd say no - the millers do seem towny enough to me. I think they almost cross-confirmed each other with the chocolate role and such.

The only thing that would

really

be bad was if the mod put fake info in ThAd's PM about the other miller and mafia got inside information about that.
That'd just be really bad speculation.

What do you mean?

It's just WIFOM that hurts my head. lol.

I'm going with they're both millers.

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So...

Krer -

I would say you(Ortolan?), Sting, and Azhrai off the top of my head. There just is not enough to go on yet, however.

I think I understand the point against Sting and Azhrai, but why Ortolan?

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So...

On that note, Zaz and Sajin, do you have any views on Krer and Ort at the moment?

And

He's good at appearing relatively inoffensive and not doing too much and being generally friendly, not drawing attention to himself and largely commenting on irrelevancies.

This fits Ortolan himself very well.

Then proceeds to list all the many players I've attacked

Ha, a little contradictory.

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... Millar.

From 548 to 571 Ort and Krer are going back in forth.

574 (after 2 mod posts) millar comes in with something completely irrelevant to what they were saying.

strawman + distraction?

Vote: Millar

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So we now have...

Azhrei - ?
Starbuck - ?
Kreriov - Compulsive doctor immune - ?
Looker - ?
MafiaSSK - miller
ortolan - insane doctor
Sajin - ?
millar13 - ?
Sironigous - ?
Kise - ?
ThAdmiral - miller
ZazieR - insane doctor knowing and post restricted - ?

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heck, if there are millers, then there must be a cop somewhere.

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Honestly, Krer and Ort's cases seem to parallel each other.
I'll comment on Azh a little later too. : |
Gotta go for now!

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First I'd like to point out the strange coincidence how they discovered how their roles were related. Wow.

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TBH I don't really like the choice of a gambit at all, unless hinted at somewhere before or such. I don't know how to describe this - it could always be reversible or something.

Playing gambits which make you look like scum temporarily in order to catch the real scum when you can self-confirm due to role = uber, uber townie and uber good at catching scum.

They really really do.

Except we just have to find the self-confirming part.... bleh.

@Krer

You will also not protect me from a night kill, but whatever.

Wait, does this mean you CAN get night killed even with Ort protecting you?
Er... then what's the good of him targeting you?

Any counter-claims?

If someone is going to CC him PLEASE do it. Or else I'm going to regard him as a confirmed townie...

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Azhrei...

I'm completely confused about.

He pulls this amazing post showing how much Santos lurked.
Santos really didn't contribute anything at all I believe.

Then he brings up Millar, who hasn't done much at all still.

I'm happy with my vote on Millar ATM.



But Azhrei himself...
I have a very very null tell on him.

The posts against him seem to make some sense, yet the posts he posts make sense as well. /sigh

those voting him; are you familiar with his meta or not (please don't avoid this question)?

Nope, this is my first game with him!

Its not going to change anything, my wagon is already rolling. I have played too many games not to realize this. Not going to battle my wagon to hard, because my death will actually be beneificial to the town in the long run

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A page or two agho, you were saying we would achieve a perfect win by lynching millar. Now you think he's town.

Er... I think he said we would

ruin

a perfect win by lynching Millar.

Millar is not scummy. But I would like him to contribute more.

...

What HAS he contributed?

And on that view, therefore if I flip town you must be scum on that view point

Who is this directed too and why?

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I believe that is correct. Without trying to quote anything in my role PM I have been told that the doctor would have no affect on me. As to what's good about him targeting me, well, he is supposedly paranoid so has a 50/50 shot of either killing or saving his target, correct? As I stated before, if the doc is compulsive and does not want to risk the 50% chance of killing a townie, he can safely target me.

Ahh ok! Then this kinda makes the doc like a normal vanilla, makes sense.

Either way I'm not sure it's particularly true anyway, I've found the "starting with s" players scummy for quite a while now.

So... um..

S...S...

Sironigous?
Starbuck?
aaandd....
Sajin.

*Shrugs*

Ort, I'm confused at who you find scummy now. (lol)

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^

I think he's going to target Krer...

Er, that whole discussion, remember?

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^ Is that sarcasm?

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So...

I guess we're lynching without a whole roster.

Anyone have any other special ideas now? I'm still for the Millar lynch... hum.

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BTW Zwet - nice job on finding the other replacements.

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On Sir:

-Reasons for voting Ad. Very scummy.
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On that note, Zaz and Sajin, do you have any views on Krer and Ort at the moment?

Not liking this, as he did not state an opinion against either Krer or Bear.

ah, this is a reason to vote?

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From 548 to 571 Ort and Krer are going back in forth.

574 (after 2 mod posts) millar comes in with something completely irrelevant to what they were saying.

strawman + distraction?

Very scummy reason to vote.

It is? why?

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On the night action part...

Post 735 Zwet says that night would after a maximum period of a week.
(Beginning on Monday, June 22)

Well, we began in 5 days. - Post 742
(Saturday, June 27)

So like Zaz said, I do agree with her "B" point - there probably is another protective role.

or they targeted someone else and there is another protective role

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On Sir:

-Reasons for voting Ad. Very scummy.
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On that note, Zaz and Sajin, do you have any views on Krer and Ort at the moment?

Not liking this, as he did not state an opinion against either Krer or Bear.

ah, this is a reason to vote?

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From 548 to 571 Ort and Krer are going back in forth.

574 (after 2 mod posts) millar comes in with something completely irrelevant to what they were saying.

strawman + distraction?

Very scummy reason to vote.

It is? why?

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Ah, this is a reason to vote?

It''s a reason why I think you are scummy. You didn''t comment on it yourself before you asked me and Sajin.It gives me the impression that you are looking for opinions from other players so that you can join those aka you can go with the flow in order to stay in the shadows.

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It is? Why?

As just said, you also didn''t comment on it. The only thing you said about it, was that one comment was a little contradictory. All the other coments were about their claimed roles.
Millar then votes the player who he sees as suspicious, aka scumhunting, and you vote him for it as he didn''t comment on the Orto-Krer discussion, something which you also barely did.
That''s why it''s scummy.

Also, why that smiley?

1 + 2 = Ahhh gotcha gotcha. Both because I didn't say that much on them. TBH I found them both town through that crazy discussion that happened. Interesting.
3 - I usually have a spontaneous habit of using smilies. XD I usually have to edit my posts with smileys before posting them just to remove them. (>.>)... I blame RuneScape/PuzzlePirates

Zaz - So who were you talking about in D 1 for the U.S. debut?

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.. Sajin, that's mad mad speculation...

Are you confused AT ALL about KoC though?...

I am little. That's a really odd role, reminds me of the Garo true mask ability in Tarharlinder's Majora's Mask game.

Haha.

KoC, even though, you claim strawberry townie, the Garo mask true holder in Majora's Mask was mafia... Basically the same effect - tell the mod you're going to avoid a lynch.

I don't see how this would prove you're town though.

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linky to Mask - post 1471 is the mask description, look for Garo

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1450

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Hey guys! - I'm not replaced yet so I'll catch up some. Though I'm still mostly V/LA.

Could the admiral, KoC, MafiaSSK, Ortolan, Siro and kise weigh in on my post about kreriov? Thanks.

Well, I'd mostly say unplausible - as I said earlier it's a little too far reaching I suppose. About Krer well... not specifically him. But I do believe

someone

was recruited.

Other than that, usually I don't pay much attention to flavor...

Who is Johnathan Kemp if it is not you?

... Well, if this Johnathan Kemp figure is scum as you say, I doubt he or she would really come out with it...

..... who here was given a character name?

Not me!

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So Krer = semi-busdriver kinda thing. Neat.
Wait, so would Krer town confirm Kise is scum?... and vice versa? I doubt town would lose on D2, so it's worth trying, right? 50/50 chance for scum, hum hum hum.

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I believe I spoke on the major points that came while I was gone. Fill me in on anything I missed - thanks!

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If you think it''s worth trying, why no vote?
And who do you think is more likely the one who tried to kill me and why?

1) That'd put him on L-1...
2) Honestly, I have no idea. Coming into D1 all we knew was that Krer was a semi-random nexus. When he said that I thought he meant he could choose either doc protect or completely random redirection (real nexus).

I felt "semi" meant half there, so half doc negation and half complete nexus - choose one ability.

Kise on the otherhand, well, I have no idea. Whoever targeted you must be scum - honestly, you

were

one of (if not the) most townish player of D1.

The mod has confirmed that there has been no mod error, so the only way both can be town is if scum has some powerrole due to which they can''t be seen by a watcher. Which is something I doubt.

Agree. Kise DID get a result rather than action failed or such.

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Honestly though I think I'd vote for Krer only because he seemed to have completely given up hope on this game. ;/

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I'm back, that is if I can still play here.

My vote would most definitely be on Kise if he wasn't going to be at L-1.

@SSK - do you think Kise lied about his action?

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@ThAd - I'mma hold off on my vote until Kise responds, even though I really would like to see a Kise lynch before more time is wasted (blah I took so much of it during V/LA). Besides, even if I do vote, people not voting are...

Starbuck (waiting for response)
Kise (probably not going to self vote)
Sironigous (waiting for response)
MafiaSSK (against it/waiting for response)
Sajin (not here for now)

So Kise would just sit at L-1...

In other words, I'm against this

quick

lynch.

Hey Zwet! ~ If Sajin is eligible for a prod, could you prod him please too?

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Oh whoops, sorry about that!

I missed that post; I only saw the one that said "Hi Guys."

On that note, I'll vote anyway.

Vote: Kise

Updated.

Starbuck (waiting for response)
Kise (probably not going to self vote)
MafiaSSK (against it/waiting for response)
Sajin (waiting for response)

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Sajin I think we simulposted...

BTW, Kise is L-1...

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Well, I guess all we're waiting on now is for Kise or a replacement... dangit, stalled game until then?

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Kise, before night, any reason why you chose KoC to watch?

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Sironigous, why no response to this?

Ah, sorry!

I figured that no one

would

actually hammer until Kise came back.
So the extra vote was for added pressure.

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Heheh.

Sajin! Why didn't you use your execution at all? Haha.. Or wait for the lynch?
... backwards recruitable? You thought I would become town? Heh.


Also!

Mafia Quicktopic 1 (Saj and I)

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/C2n8bfYkqrVW

Mafia Quicktopic 2 (Saj, Zaz, and I)

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/eYfc6PDfG2A

... I love how Zaz was right about Saj and I being scum. heheh.
Luckily she switched to our side...

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Oh, on the town winning... Even if Starbuck hid behind a mafia, that mafia person wouldn't die... it would still be Starbuck, no?

1 Hider (can hide behind one player each night)

Welcome to Skywalker Mafia! You are the town’s least respected member, the cowardliest of the cowards, the Hider! You may hind behind one player every night. If the Mafia target you, the player you hid behind will die instead. But beware! If you hide behind mafia you might not be well received…

In summary, your abilities are:
Hide: You may hide behind a player every night, and redirect a night kill aimed at you towards your hide…ee?

If you hide behind mafia you will die.

Win Condition: All mafia-aligned players must die

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... great, my mafia buddy thought I would betraying him. -_-

Sajin, when didya figure out that the game was similar? Heh.

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... sigh, was betraying...

I'm still really surprised everything went that smoothly in the beginning with Zaz and Krer and all..