Mini 790- Skywalker Mafia: Game Over

[ThAdmiral]

/confirm'd

[ThAdmiral]

Hi.

I'm a Miller



(and like that the random phase ends...)

[ThAdmiral]

Hai guyz

ThAdmiral- I intend to treat you the way I've seen suggested for millers and which I like- lynch if you act scummy

Have you ever claimed miller as scum previously?

No.

Why the claim?
Do you claim mil or death mil?

regular miller

@TheAdmiral Do you have something against the RVS? What is with that claim on page 1?

Yes as a matter of fact I do.
I have always thought it was good practice to get a miller claim out in the open before a cop investigation. No one believes a miller claim after a cop investigation.

Oh also I am aware of the existence of another miller.

[ThAdmiral]

Oh also I am aware of the existence of another miller.

Is this said in your role?

Yes, explicitly.

also can you elaborate on Yu Kaj?

@ sting: in what other games have you seen scum claim miller on day one to explain your suspicions?

[ThAdmiral]

I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

or easy d1 lynches in any case.

[ThAdmiral]

Wait, are you chocolate?

I am indeed! Hello my chocolate brother.
Where you also told of another of your ilk in existence?

Also i find it odd that your role pm had no win con, as mine certainly did.

anyway if one of us dies now the other will most likely be confirmed as town, so that is not too bad.

[ThAdmiral]

in any case, having read my role pm again, it does state that the other chocolate person will be town aligned.

I think the whole zazier thing will provide a rather annoying distraction for the entirety of the game. Could the scum please choose her for the nightkill?
(no offense, but at least you'll be free of it too)

[ThAdmiral]

this game is funny

there seems to be almost a complete lack of logic on display, and the most talkative person is unintelligible.

[ThAdmiral]

Al, two cho town of which one did not have a win con at the start. Why would one have a win con, while the o does not? The mod could have co and pas.
I am not buy their claims.

So the other theory is that we, as scum partners, decided to try a gambit that would out both of us but we forgot to make sure we had the same win condition etc. sorted out beforehand.
So basically you are accusing me/ssk of being idiots.

Eh? I am pret sure I am Za, not Za.

Lol. Rereading this game is going to be a blast.

MafiaSSK and ThAdmiral, given that you have claimed Millers (aka Chocolate Townies), can you also reveal your character roles?

I don't have a character role. My pm says I am just a basic vanilla town that knows nothing etc.
then it goes - hold on no you're not, you're chocolate! and then tells me that i am a miller and there is one other chocolate townie out there.

[ThAdmiral]

Al, two cho town of which one did not have a win con at the start. Why would one have a win con, while the o does not? The mod could have co and pas.
I am not buy their claims.

So the other theory is that we, as scum partners, decided to try a gambit that would out both of us but we forgot to make sure we had the same win condition etc. sorted out beforehand.
So basically you are accusing me/ssk of being idiots.

Nope.
But I am hav pro buy that the same role is pre twice, and can con the o.

But I am having problems buying that the same role is present twice, and can con? the o?

can you elaborate on the last bit + make corrections if I am wrong

[ThAdmiral]

@ThAdmiral - I think 'con the o' means 'confirm the other'

Got it.

@ zaz:
Firstly I can't 100% confirm ssk, but I don't see why there would be a miller scum; that just doesn't make sense.
So in a sense, yes I do confirm him.

However if some of us had information about the presence of other roles, such as you, why do you think it is unlikely that we would also know about the presence of other roles? If we were scum we would have had to have guessed that this was the setup before attempting our gambit.
Furthermore you still haven't addressed the fact that it is highly unlikely for two scum members to put themselves in the spotlight like we have.

I have a question for you. If you are suspicious of us do you think we are both scum, or do you believe it is possible that only one of us is scum?

[ThAdmiral]

It is very difficult to have a discussion with you zaz.

@ zaz:
Firstly I can't 100% confirm ssk, but I don't see why there would be a miller scum; that just doesn't make sense.
So in a sense, yes I do confirm him.

It is called a ma god You al have an in con (See Mi six nine nine) which is the re death mil.
And due to this pa, I doubt your claims e more. It first was that you can con him, Rox 'sup' he could con you. La, Rox says he can con you, and now you state that you can't con him hun%. What is it?

A mafia godfather? A miller mafia godfather? I still don't think that makes sense, although it would be a funny role.
I don't think he is a death miller. I don't know what you mean with "you al have an in con"
As I said I can't confirm him 100%. I say this in the same sense that a cop can't 100% confirm a person who came up townie.
They can be pretty damn sure though (as I am).

However if some of us had information about the presence of other roles, such as you, why do you think it is unlikely that we would also know about the presence of other roles? If we were scum we would have had to have guessed that this was the setup before attempting our gambit.
Furthermore you still haven't addressed the fact that it is highly unlikely for two scum members to put themselves in the spotlight like we have.

You two know a each o is not why I find it sus. You two stat (to state) that you can con the o is what makes me sus. Al, in my role the doc is men, how on the doc knows if I am men in his role. And I al on know that there is one, not his al

Let me put it this way. My role said that I was a miller. It said that there was exactly one other miller.
I then put 2 and 2 together and thought "there would be no point in a mafia miller" and therefore came to the conclusion that the other miller would be town aligned, as I am.
Mafiassk claimed to be the other miller, therefore I believe he is town.

I have a question for you. If you are suspicious of us do you think we are both scum, or do you believe it is possible that only one of us is scum?

I think on one due to your and Rox role Pri Mes be dif at the start of this game (mis win con). It makes no sense to have the same role, and then have an er for on one of the two.

to translate:
I think only one due to you and mafiassk role Private Messages being different at the start of the game (missing win condition). It makes no sense to have the same role, and then have an error for only one of the two.

This is a good point and it doesn't make much sense, however the other information he has revealed about his role correlates to my own role.

@ santos: replacement doesn't give any indication to scum or town in my opinion.
By the way i don't think, feel or know much at all, so to speak.

MafiaSSK - so you had no indication of a miller in your pm?

Except for that cops would have fun with me.

interesting, another discrepancy.
Mine clearly states that i am a miller.

btw what did zwet do re: thread title?

[ThAdmiral]

Al, I found this lit gem in one of your posts:

in any case, having read my role pm again, it does state that the other chocolate person will be town aligned.

So is it or is it not men in your role that the o is town al?

My role pm claims that there is, to paraphrase, another chocolate townsperson. It could just be the role name though so I may have gone a bit to far with saying that it stated that the other person was definitely town aligned.

interesting, another discrepancy.
Mine clearly states that i am a miller.

Ap, not e Rox has re cor with your role.

The bit that states I am a miller is the same bit that has my win condition so I imagine he doesn't have that line in his pm for whatever reason.

Its almost like you are trying to set up a scenario in which you establish that one must be lying so if we lynch one and he flips towns, we then should lynch the other.

This is a good point. I would like you, zaz, to clearly state your position on the miller situation and the outcomes of what would happen if one of us was lynched.

[ThAdmiral]

That didn't exactly answer the questions, ZazieR.

I guess since I find MafiaSSK more suspect, I find you wanting to lynch ThAdmiral first a bit suspicious. Its almost like you are trying to set up a scenario in which you establish that one must be lying so if we lynch one and he flips towns, we then should lynch the other.

How can I an those ques, when I can on know what an I would give if it hap in con? There are many fac in. So I can not ans these ques.

I have gi rea why I think on one is scum. And I will ex why I think it is more like to be Ad than Rox af a re from a spe play.
How, what is your o of the mil? And do you think both are town, both are scum or one of them is scum, while the o is town?

Sigh... Post Violation 4

Where?
Can you bold in future regardless.

[ThAdmiral]

Sajin has requested replacement. Mykonian replaces Sajin. Three more please! Tell your friends.

Got enough problems finding replacement in my own games.

[ThAdmiral]

what was your question zaz?

[ThAdmiral]

@ zaz: I think you have misunderstood the discrepancy between our two roles, especially regarding the win condition.

Our win conditions are not different, he just doesn't seem to have one. The whole explanation of the miller thing was also included in the win condition in my role pm so it makes sense that he doesn't have that either. This makes sense given that zwet said there might be a few minor changes between peoples role pm's to prevent a mass claim breaking the game.

Furthermore on the "he's town", "he's probably town", "I think he's town", "I can't 100% confirm he's town" thing - it basically boils down to something similar to what mafiassk said: while my role tells me there is another chocolate town out there this person might only be "chocolate town" in name and not necessarily in alignment. Essentially a bit of bastard modding could be going on.
However apart from this I still believe he is town even if the name doesn't prove anything, as I don't think a mafia miller makes any sense.

Anyway I think I have explained this as best I can. If you have any further questions ask away.

[ThAdmiral]

Furthermore on the "he's town", "he's probably town", "I think he's town", "I can't 100% confirm he's town" thing - it basically boils down to something similar to what mafiassk said: while my role tells me there is another chocolate town out there this person might only be "chocolate town" in name and not necessarily in alignment.

Stu Post Re...
May I as that you switched your stance, be you saw your role Pri Mes?
Af I have an ans of this, I will con.

Translation:
May I assume that you switched you stance, before you saw your role pm?
After I have an answer of this I will continue.

No, I switched my stance after I saw my role pm.

by the way does your role mentioning anything about thinking and feeling?

[ThAdmiral]

by the way does your role mentioning anything about thinking and feeling?

Your rea for ask and fish, please.

You are obviously not a vanilla role and are also most likely town. I thought I would check to see if you had the knowing, feeling nothing stuff as if even you had it it would be a very good indication of alignment.
Seems like you don't though.

[ThAdmiral]

posting restrictions generally mean town but you are right if you are implying zaz is not confirmed. Obviously she is not.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm going to go find all the people who were like "hey lets lynch the millers" earlier and then vote one of them.

Not zaz - she actually had fairly good reasoning behind her suspicions.

[ThAdmiral]

Yeah I'm going to

vote: sting

as well. He was the one I was thinking of with his annoying "miller claims = scum" nonsense. That is only true after a cop investigation.

[ThAdmiral]

Yeah I'm going to

vote: sting

as well. He was the one I was thinking of with his annoying "miller claims = scum" nonsense.

That is only true after a cop investigation.

Eh? Can you ex the bold?

When a cop says "I've caught scum", and then the guy goes "oh no, wait - I'm a miller"...then it is bs.

I happen to think early miller claims are ok. In fact I can't remember the last time a scum did one in a game I was in.

[ThAdmiral]

can we just lynch someone to get this game moving?

[ThAdmiral]

@ Azhrei - Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
I especially like the strawmanning bit.

unvote, vote: ortolan

[ThAdmiral]

Ortolan, avoiding a case doesn't make it go away. Being a shithead doesn't make it any better for the town.

Lol, and seconded.

[ThAdmiral]

wtf happened to the ort wagon?

[ThAdmiral]

I have to catch up a bit but one thing is for sure I am not going to be voting millar. His wagon came out of nowhere, and I still think the ort wagon is better.

[ThAdmiral]

All of them being inactive at once is fairly unlikely.

[ThAdmiral]

O snap, that is a good catch.

[ThAdmiral]

Well the role itself doesn't necessarily confirm itself as town. I could see how scum would have a 1 shot lynch protect.

But the strawberry town stuff, and how that corresponds to my role, seems to make sense.

vote: knight of cydonia

[ThAdmiral]

*waits for the koc situation to resolve itself*

[ThAdmiral]

@Zazie - Sajin & ThAD

Well the role itself doesn't necessarily confirm itself as town. I could see how scum would have a 1 shot lynch protect.

But the strawberry town stuff, and how that corresponds to my role, seems to make sense.

vote: knight of cydonia

Did you ever answer my question about what you are talking about with strawberries corresponding to your role?

Mayhap I didn't, although I thought I had...

Anyway I'm chocolate, he's strawberry. I'm assuming there are some "vanilla" townies running about. Neapolitan anyone?

[ThAdmiral]

@ sajin: I think someone else might be jack kemp.

[ThAdmiral]

@ ortolan: I seriously didn't see your doctor claim. Shows how much attention I've been paying to this game...

[ThAdmiral]

When the scum kill me, I'd like everyone to remember that it was Kise who randomly brought Jester and Judas speculation into this.

Yeah that is pretty random.

Jester is easy anyway and a stupid role and I'd think less of zwet if there was one in this game. I don't think I've ever seen someone lose as jester as it is so easy to get lynched. If koc really was a jester I'm sure he could have thought of a much easier and less suspicious way than what he is currently doing.

[ThAdmiral]

So you still think we should lynch KoC?

No.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm actually happy for the downtime. If you hadn't noticed I haven't been paying all that much attention to this game as I have been in far more precarious situations in other games.

I'm back now though, and should be able to get back in to the swing of things.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't think role-pm's being exactly the same is something that could break the game. In fact I think its not such a bad idea as it discourages a mass claim.

[ThAdmiral]

I suppose one has to go with the watcher claim.

vote: krer

[ThAdmiral]

That's a bad way to go. I hope he was dead before the genital dissecting.

[ThAdmiral]

sounds good enough to me

vote: kise

[ThAdmiral]

kise is caught scum.

save the need for a replacement and just lynch him already.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm back, that is if I can still play here.

My vote would most definitely be on Kise if he wasn't going to be at L-1.

@SSK - do you think Kise lied about his action?

Quite possibly but he may not be scum because of it.

Can you explain what you mean here?

How do you feel about lynch all liars?

That LAL is stupid. Town needs to lie too sometimes

This is true, but normally the town would come out 'round about now and say "hey, I lied as part of a gambit, and this is why...".

But kise hasn't, because kise is scum.

Are you at least not even going to entertain the possibilty that kise

might

be scum? In a sort of "occams razor" type way?

[ThAdmiral]

Sigh.... I had hoped for better

Vote: Kise

I think he did an ok job tbh. In any case I probably would have just stayed absent if I was in his situation so he should get some props for that.

in any case, having read my role pm again, it does state that the other chocolate person will be town aligned.

And you're not?

What's the point of mods creating a mafia-aligned miller?

I know! I totally said this earlier in the game as well.

[ThAdmiral]

Unfortunately this game never really took off. Not for me anyway. After being semi-confirmed at the start I didn't feel compelled to contribute all that much.