Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

[Starbuck]

I just see too many different random votes at the moment.

[Starbuck]

because someone being scum is usually a good indication that you should vote them?

Can you give us a reason for him being scum?

I also have this question.

[Starbuck]

Empking isn't a bad player and I can already vouch for his towniness 100%

Starbuck- no, there is no reason for him to be particularly likely to be scum, beyond my own whim.

Please, I think we've already gone through the silly discussion phase

I would hope so.

[Starbuck]

Are we sure we should be going for ort and not Emp?

[Starbuck]

Are we sure we should be going for ort and not Emp?

Why do you think we should be going for Emp?

It was just a question. I'm not sure which way we should be going as I have never played with any of you before. I don't know how you play when you are scum or when you are townie, and the same for everyone else.

[Starbuck]

Ok, but why specifically did you suggest Empking? Why didn't you instead say "shouldn't we be looking at Goat? or "shouldn't we be looking at KMD?" What made you pull Empking out of the pack?

Because Emp was the other person recently being discussed.

[Starbuck]

Recently as in when I posted.

[Starbuck]

Mod: could we have some prods for orangepenguin, xofelf and Shadow?

If you read the thread thus far, you would see that at least xofelf has posted, just a few posts up from yours.

[Starbuck]

All I have to say is that is the weirdest vote from someone who doesn't know me that I have ever seen.

[Starbuck]

OP, can you tell me why you just quoted Mean Girls?

I apologize for not knowing the quote. I've made it a point to

NEVER

watch that movie.

[Starbuck]

So why all the votes for me all of a sudden? I'm confused.

[Starbuck]

Emp, my avatar bet has expired. I'm gonna find out pretty soon about another though. If I lost, I'll have a new avatar. If I won, Ether has one waiting for me.

Andy is scummier.

Goat, fair enough I guess.

Star, you have

one

vote. Why are you freaking out over one vote?

When I posted I had orangepenguin and Mix, and it seemed like it was added up a lot of votes with just no reason at all behind them.

I don't care if I get votes. This is Mafia, you have to expect it. I just expect a reason or an explanation. Or is that wrong in this game?

[Starbuck]

It wasn't meant to be. I was just asking.



But take it as you will.

[Starbuck]

I guess no one read 143?

@Starbuck- What are your thoughts on to this point?

I did miss this question and I apologize.

I was trying to quickly catch up during my lunch break. Also, I do live in Italy right now (stationed here with the Navy) so my board times may be off from you guys quite a bit.


I saw OP's joke votes, but then saw yours with no reason or explanation behind it, which is why you should read 143.




Now, onto my thoughts so far:

I'm suspicious of Andy and KMD.




The only thing that's holding me back on KMD is his vote on Andy, but that still could be a cover. Maybe there's a way that the votes can be redirected and/or deflected, or maybe someone is immune lynch. My reasoning behind thinking this is because I'm currently playing a game on the View Askew forums which is an all power Avengers game and we just finished an all power DC Comics game. I don't know if any of that could come into play in this game, but this is a "Fantasy" mafia game, so anything is possible.


I am wondering what his thought process is with this statement:

Here's a question: Why have you kept your random vote on Andy this entire time, even though you have not bothered to question or pressure him a single time since early page 2 when you merely asked him the seriousness of his vote? I see you questioning Ortolan, myself, Starbuck, but not Andy, who your vote is conveniently on.

Because I think Andy is scum. And I think you and Starbuck are his buddies. I don't think Ort is scum.

He seems to just be taking shots at everyone and being quite insulting (cocky?). He seems to be riding Goat pretty hard, and hasn't backed off, and seems to be pretty defensive like he is hiding something.


But the same could be said about Andy.


I think Ortolan may be onto something with this:

Oh I see now. Here's what I meant: I didn't know whether your post was serious or not, but I assumed not, since we were already discussing meatier events. However, You were making a very weird statement (vouching for his towniness). Since we were already discussing non-jokes I read it as stalling other discussions. However, seems like my own vote originated much more discussion topics.

How come you didn't explain this at the time? You just said "please, we've already gone through the silly discussion phase" which implies scum feigning arrogance in order to mask not bothering to do their reading before laying a vote down.

Also, I don't like you claiming credit for starting discussion as a way of defending yourself rather than, for example, trying to better justify your vote on me or attack me further. It's like you attack me, then realise you're not going to get away with it that easily, then withdraw and start defending yourself and try to justify why your vote "prompted discussion" rather than say why you think you voted for scum (me).

[Starbuck]

I try to take all my mafia experience into consideration when I play any game.

The games that I spoke of were "all power" games. There weren't any "you are just town and all you can do is vote". Some people were immune to lynch, some immune to vig, others could block someone's actions. I wouldn't be surprised at all to run into these type of roles here on this site. It was just an idea of what MAY be, especially because this is a FANTASY themed mafia game.

It just may be worth the thought is all.

[Starbuck]

I think it's a perfect time to speculate of roles. What if we end up voting out someone who is a potential help for the village?

[Starbuck]

I never said anything about claiming and I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.

I just said we should take into consideration what could possibly be out there.

[Starbuck]

You have a point. All I was doing was discussing. But seeing how quickly you jumped, you just got a bit more of my suspicions.

[Starbuck]

When did I say I wanted to expose them? I just wanted to discuss the possibilities of what might be out there. You keep putting words in my mouth and I do not like your bullying towards myself or others as you have been doing.

[Starbuck]

So Town couldn't POSSIBLY want to know what we are up against because maybe in a game like this (being FANTASY and all), we couldn't orchestrate to prevent it and/or build up some kind of defense?

[Starbuck]

So you think I'm scum because I'm curious about what we could do to save the Town?

Wow, your logic rocks.

[Starbuck]

Alright, Zazier is making things interesting, no doubt.

I don't like the pile-on on Star. I think her "slip" was really quite innocent; I don't think she was advocating that we all claim, but rather that we should try and garner information. Given that the town starts in a massive information hole, I don't think that's a bad idea; it's just that the execution must be done carefully.

Sudo, thank you for being more eloquent than I am. That's exactly what I was trying to say but I just couldn't get it to come out right.

[Starbuck]

It was just an idea. I didn't say we HAD to do it.

[Starbuck]

I see you too!

*wave*

[Starbuck]

ZazieR, in response to

You've got nothing to say about the posts I made?
Not even some answers?"

You wrote quite a bit and I am still trying to catch up. Not condensing everything into one post is making it kind of hard to keep up. It's why I use Notepad to type up my posts before I post them.


KMD and Andy are still high on my suspicions.

Post 66 bothers me a lot. This is luckily questioned and Starbuck later gives some explanations:

Why do you think we should be going for Emp?

It was just a question. I'm not sure which way we should be going as I have never played with any of you before. I don't know how you play when you are scum or when you are townie, and the same for everyone else.

Ok, but why specifically did you suggest Empking? Why didn't you instead say "shouldn't we be looking at Goat? or "shouldn't we be looking at KMD?" What made you pull Empking out of the pack?

Because Emp was the other person recently being discussed.

The reason why this bothers me, is because she doesn't ask why. She saw two players being discussed, asked why not that one instead of him and that's it. Yet, for somebody who doesn't know how the players here play as scum or town (as she stated), I'd expect that she'd ask why Bear and Empking were being discussed. So Starbuck, why's that?

First off, even though you know Orto as Bear and others as their real names, can you please refer to them as whatever name they are posting as rather than a name that's not being used in this game? It makes things confusing.


That's all I had meant my question as there were reasons put out against Orto and I had saw a bit of discussion about Emp, but no reasons.

In post 148, Star finally states finally her suspicions.
-Why didn't you respond right after the posts where you got the quotes you put up in that post from, Star?

Because I live in Italy because I'm stationed here with the Navy, and a lot of the time all I get to do is read to catch up and not add any posts of substance.

Why no vote on your top suspicion?

Because I'm not really sure which one I want to vote for yet, because I have two.



I'll be back to add more but I have to go on watch.

[Starbuck]

EBWOP
Also, the quote in the above post from Star, was in response to this post:

Star, taking shots at "everyone" is me thinking I have the 3 scum found and going after those three players. How am I being insulting or defensive?

Goat, you (or anyone else here) probably won't face my real wrath. I've been warned by a List Mod recently, but the game is ongoing. XD

Star, I'd say we should probably stop discussing roles that could be in the game. There is no reason to speculate on anyone's roles just yet.

I see, I see what Goat didn't see and that's that Star missed a question.
So Star answer it, and Goat explain why you didn't comment on this.

Comment on what? That Star missed a question? Did Star respond to the rest of the post as well? Missing a question isn't scummy. Lying about it is.

I did miss this original question and for that I apologize. Zazier's 5 billion posts didn't really help with trying to catch up, next time please use notepad.

I think it's way too early to state that you already found 3 scum and we are on day 1. I have my suspicions, but it doesn't mean I am completely sure of all of them.


I'm definitely very suspicious of ZazieR as he is throwing around accusations all over the place.

I dislike that the most prominent posters are largely the ones giving me strong scummy reads.

At least I'm not the only one getting these reads.

[Starbuck]

Star, if I was "completely sure", wouldn't I still be pushing the same players as scum?

You wouldn't.

But that question was being pushed hard so I answered it.

[Starbuck]

I frequently make cases without including possible scum buddies. In fact, I attempt to determine who the scum buddies are based on reactions to my cases. I disagree that you should be looking for a team of mafia players on day 1. Catching the first scum gives you information to use in catching subsequent scum.

I agree with this. Lynch the scummiest players, keep an eye open for buddies, but don't worry too much about connections until after the first scum flips.

It's ok to look for connections. But the lynch needs to be the scummiest player, not a player who seems connected to someone.

This is the definite way to play this game.

[Starbuck]

more importantly, do you actually have a problem with the responses or

are you just grabbing anything you can now?

I bolded what I think.

[Starbuck]

more importantly, do you actually have a problem with the responses or

are you just grabbing anything you can now?

I bolded what I think.

*waiting for Star to address my posts*

I thought I already did?

If there's something else you need me to address, please point me in that direction.

[Starbuck]

more importantly, do you actually have a problem with the responses or

are you just grabbing anything you can now?

I bolded what I think.

*waiting for Star to address my posts*

I thought I already did?

If there's something else you need me to address, please point me in that direction.

Oh, you just haven't answered each question when I replaced into this game, and you're not responding when I explain something you accused me off.
That's all. No biggy

I did respond, if you go back and re-read.

[Starbuck]

more importantly, do you actually have a problem with the responses or

are you just grabbing anything you can now?

I bolded what I think.

*waiting for Star to address my posts*

I thought I already did?

If there's something else you need me to address, please point me in that direction.

Oh, you just haven't answered each question when I replaced into this game, and you're not responding when I explain something you accused me off.
That's all. No biggy

I did respond, if you go back and re-read.

Are you now talking about the questions or responding to my explanations of your accusations?

I am talking about the questions.

Again, if it's that important to you that I answer whatever you need me to answer, bring it back to the forefront. If not, quit harping on it. It's that easy.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Prods on Mixologist, Shadow Knight and TonyMontana please

[Starbuck]

Well I'm at least expecting a good explanation for why I needed to wait until Starbuck answered your questions. Otherwise I'm tempted to unvote the replacee in favour of you.

I really don't know what questions Zazier is talking about. I'm wondering if they were this big of a deal, why hasn't she reiterated them yet?

[Starbuck]

She is saying that she has thrown suspicion on you but it appears to be wrong? Have I misinterpreted something?

I don't think you have.

[Starbuck]

ZOMG, so much Carolla!

=P

[Starbuck]

Mod: Can we have a vote count please?

[Starbuck]

This game just seems to be dragging.

Or is it just me?

[Starbuck]

Well it took someone (you), two days to respond to that question.

I'd say that's dragging.

[Starbuck]

Well it took someone (you), two days to respond to that question.

I'd say that's dragging.

[Starbuck]

Vote: Starbuck

I am back.

Wow, no reason?

That's always good.

[Starbuck]

Apologies, playing catch up as I can. I had finals this week.

Off topic: I'm seriously playing too many games with the same people in them, lol.




It took Zazie forever to finally repost her questions for me. I didn't realize she had whole essays dedicated just to me. I'm rather flattered.

First of all, the questions Star hasn't answered yet during my first read:

Post 66 bothers me a lot. This is luckily questioned and Starbuck later gives some explanations:

Why do you think we should be going for Emp?

It was just a question. I'm not sure which way we should be going as I have never played with any of you before. I don't know how you play when you are scum or when you are townie, and the same for everyone else.

Ok, but why specifically did you suggest Empking? Why didn't you instead say "shouldn't we be looking at Goat? or "shouldn't we be looking at KMD?" What made you pull Empking out of the pack?

Because Emp was the other person recently being discussed.

The reason why this bothers me, is because she doesn't ask why. She saw two players being discussed, asked why not that one instead of him and that's it. Yet, for somebody who doesn't know how the players here play as scum or town (as she stated), I'd expect that she'd ask why Bear and Empking were being discussed. So Starbuck, why's that?

Yes, she responded to it, but she did not explain why she didn't ask for the reasons why Empking and Orto were being discussed.

Because I saw the reasons why they were being discussed, why did I need to ask a question that was already answered?

Emp, my avatar bet has expired. I'm gonna find out pretty soon about another though. If I lost, I'll have a new avatar. If I won, Ether has one waiting for me.

Andy is scummier.

Goat, fair enough I guess.

Star, you have

one

vote. Why are you freaking out over one vote?

When I posted I had orangepenguin and Mix, and it seemed like it was added up a lot of votes with just no reason at all behind them.

I don't care if I get votes. This is Mafia, you have to expect it. I just expect a reason or an explanation. Or is that wrong in this game?

The point is that you haven't really commented on any discussion. Yet, when you get voted, you step up. Why's that?

I really wasn't overreacting, just asking a question, but you can't convey emotion very well through text.

In post 148, Star finally states finally her suspicions.
-Why didn't you respond right after the posts where you got the quotes you put up in that post from, Star?
-Why no vote on your top suspicion?
-

I'm not sure which way we should be going as I have never played with any of you before. I don't know how you play when you are scum or when you are townie, and the same for everyone else.

Why doesn't this matter anymore?

She answered the first two, so I only want to hear the answer to the third question.

The third question is void because that quote from me still matters, so I'm confused as to why you asked it. As I said up top, I'm playing too many games with the same people currently and am starting to get a feel for metas.

You have a point. All I was doing was discussing. But seeing how quickly you jumped, you just got a bit more of my suspicions.

This to me doesn't make sense at all. Kevin disagreed, which is why he responded. She later admits that he has a point, yet it's scummy to her that he 'quickly' jumped on.
If you disagree, you try to stop it asap. So I want to hear why it's scummy according to her.

I'm not sure what you are asking about. Can you refer me back to the page this is on? I can't seem to find it.

Star, regarding the powerroles.
The scum know which powers they have. If our powerroles will claim, they will know what each player has as role and can take down the stronger ones.
We'll only know what our side has. So we'll be fighting an invisble enemy.

Is this good or bad according to you, and why?

This is bad, because you are right, we'd be fighting an invisible enemy. All I did was bring up an idea because I wanted the opinions of everyone. I never said we had to do it.

Second, questions that came later for Star:

Because I live in Italy because I'm stationed here with the Navy, and a lot of the time all I get to do is read to catch up and not add any posts of substance.

Is the Navy part the explanation, or the part that you live in Italy? Or both?

Because I'm not really sure which one I want to vote for yet, because I have two.

One has two votes, the other one. Which would be more likely to vote if you suspect both?

I'm definitely leaning more towards Andy than KMD.

Anyway, yes she did ignore the question, and also this time didn't answer it as she didn't say how Kevin has been insulting or defensive.
Also, do you think it's scummy when a player claims to have all three scum caught on day 1? And why?

This question was for me? You were talking to someone else.

I think its good to have suspicions. I think it's rather overzealous to claim you caught three scum on day 1. I've thought people have been scum because they were acting scummy and have been proved wrong, but have also been proved right.

Last sentence of this post indicates to me that you know you haven't answered them all.
But I'll happily point those questions out when I'm done responding to other posts.

And explain why you stated that you had answered them all, while the last sentence in the linked post shows something different.

Because I thought I did answer them all. If you could condense your posts into one and not post 5 billion things all over the place, it wouldn't be so hard to try and answer every single one of your questions.

[Starbuck]

Apologies, playing catch up as I can. I had finals this week.

Off topic: I'm seriously playing too many games with the same people in them, lol.




It took Zazie forever to finally repost her questions for me. I didn't realize she had whole essays dedicated just to me. I'm rather flattered.

First of all, the questions Star hasn't answered yet during my first read:

Post 66 bothers me a lot. This is luckily questioned and Starbuck later gives some explanations:

Why do you think we should be going for Emp?

It was just a question. I'm not sure which way we should be going as I have never played with any of you before. I don't know how you play when you are scum or when you are townie, and the same for everyone else.

Ok, but why specifically did you suggest Empking? Why didn't you instead say "shouldn't we be looking at Goat? or "shouldn't we be looking at KMD?" What made you pull Empking out of the pack?

Because Emp was the other person recently being discussed.

The reason why this bothers me, is because she doesn't ask why. She saw two players being discussed, asked why not that one instead of him and that's it. Yet, for somebody who doesn't know how the players here play as scum or town (as she stated), I'd expect that she'd ask why Bear and Empking were being discussed. So Starbuck, why's that?

Yes, she responded to it, but she did not explain why she didn't ask for the reasons why Empking and Orto were being discussed.

Because I saw the reasons why they were being discussed, why did I need to ask a question that was already answered?

Emp, my avatar bet has expired. I'm gonna find out pretty soon about another though. If I lost, I'll have a new avatar. If I won, Ether has one waiting for me.

Andy is scummier.

Goat, fair enough I guess.

Star, you have

one

vote. Why are you freaking out over one vote?

When I posted I had orangepenguin and Mix, and it seemed like it was added up a lot of votes with just no reason at all behind them.

I don't care if I get votes. This is Mafia, you have to expect it. I just expect a reason or an explanation. Or is that wrong in this game?

The point is that you haven't really commented on any discussion. Yet, when you get voted, you step up. Why's that?

I really wasn't overreacting, just asking a question, but you can't convey emotion very well through text.

In post 148, Star finally states finally her suspicions.
-Why didn't you respond right after the posts where you got the quotes you put up in that post from, Star?
-Why no vote on your top suspicion?
-

I'm not sure which way we should be going as I have never played with any of you before. I don't know how you play when you are scum or when you are townie, and the same for everyone else.

Why doesn't this matter anymore?

She answered the first two, so I only want to hear the answer to the third question.

The third question is void because that quote from me still matters, so I'm confused as to why you asked it. As I said up top, I'm playing too many games with the same people currently and am starting to get a feel for metas.

You have a point. All I was doing was discussing. But seeing how quickly you jumped, you just got a bit more of my suspicions.

This to me doesn't make sense at all. Kevin disagreed, which is why he responded. She later admits that he has a point, yet it's scummy to her that he 'quickly' jumped on.
If you disagree, you try to stop it asap. So I want to hear why it's scummy according to her.

I'm not sure what you are asking about. Can you refer me back to the page this is on? I can't seem to find it.

Star, regarding the powerroles.
The scum know which powers they have. If our powerroles will claim, they will know what each player has as role and can take down the stronger ones.
We'll only know what our side has. So we'll be fighting an invisble enemy.

Is this good or bad according to you, and why?

This is bad, because you are right, we'd be fighting an invisible enemy. All I did was bring up an idea because I wanted the opinions of everyone. I never said we had to do it.

Second, questions that came later for Star:

Because I live in Italy because I'm stationed here with the Navy, and a lot of the time all I get to do is read to catch up and not add any posts of substance.

Is the Navy part the explanation, or the part that you live in Italy? Or both?

Because I'm not really sure which one I want to vote for yet, because I have two.

One has two votes, the other one. Which would be more likely to vote if you suspect both?

I'm definitely leaning more towards Andy than KMD.

Anyway, yes she did ignore the question, and also this time didn't answer it as she didn't say how Kevin has been insulting or defensive.
Also, do you think it's scummy when a player claims to have all three scum caught on day 1? And why?

This question was for me? You were talking to someone else.

I think its good to have suspicions. I think it's rather overzealous to claim you caught three scum on day 1. I've thought people have been scum because they were acting scummy and have been proved wrong, but have also been proved right.

Last sentence of this post indicates to me that you know you haven't answered them all.
But I'll happily point those questions out when I'm done responding to other posts.

And explain why you stated that you had answered them all, while the last sentence in the linked post shows something different.

Because I thought I did answer them all. If you could condense your posts into one and not post 5 billion things all over the place, it wouldn't be so hard to try and answer every single one of your questions.

[Starbuck]

Sorry for the double post, my router reset.

[Starbuck]

I'm going to reveal something to you all. I am town and my vote doesn't count unless it is the hammer. And I am definitely not hammering myself.

[Starbuck]

Well then, good luck village!

I've tried to stay in it but you're hell bent on lynching one of your own.

Please take a look at Zazie, DizzyIzzy/Andy, and Mixologist when I flip town tomorrow.

[Starbuck]

??

[Starbuck]

I really don't understand. I thought I was dead.


I'm serious though I am town, but it's pretty unlikely any of you believe me.

[Starbuck]

Well, obv the count is incorrect as Goat unvoted Kevin >.<
Anyway, Star, why didn''t you claim you couldn''t vote before?
And I don''t want her to selfvote now. Only as last resort.

You guys already were screaming that I was scum, wouldn't that just set everything off more?

It's the reason I suggested revealing even a couple roles.

[Starbuck]

Well now, you guys will never know.

I think there's quite a number of scum on my bandwagon. I hope the village takes note of who is on my bandwagon and who's votes switch (if they do) and line them up next for lynching.

[Starbuck]

Well, obv the count is incorrect as Goat unvoted Kevin >.<
Anyway, Star, why didn''t you claim you couldn''t vote before?
And I don''t want her to selfvote now. Only as last resort.

You guys already were screaming that I was scum, wouldn't that just set everything off more?

It's the reason I suggested revealing even a couple roles.

Uhm, no. Because this claim could be tested.

And how so? When I tried to start bringing it up, by discussion of reveals/power roles, I immediately was scummy to mostly everyone, including yourself.

So explain to me how it would have helped if I had revealed it sooner?

[Starbuck]

Can I ask that no one switch anything until CDB gets caught up? Give him a fair chance to weigh in?

[Starbuck]

Well now, you guys will never know.

I think there's quite a number of scum on my bandwagon. I hope the village takes note of who is on my bandwagon and who's votes switch (if they do) and line them up next for lynching.

Then state who and why. You''re not lynched, so why don''t you voice your opinion?

I have given my opinions on who is scum.

[Starbuck]

An aside: the rest of the game is going to be much the poorer for the lack of Starbuck's avatar. <3 Katee Sackhoff

The picture which the avatar came from is on my fridge.

I <3 her too.

[Starbuck]

I agree with most of what Channel said. I think the SK lurkerscum point is a strong one. Since then, he seems to have followed up his lurking with more lurking.

So why don't we lynch the lurker? Rather than someone who is actively posting and adding content?

[Starbuck]

If we get enough on Shadow, I'll hammer.

[Starbuck]

Alright Village, lets get this show on the road.


The reason you couldn't lynch me is because it would take an extra vote to do so. I needed 8 instead of 7, but I wasn't going to reveal that because I didn't want the Mafia to know that.

This actually works out better because I can still help you guys (I already PM'd Sens to verify), because I'm not "technically dead" just injured.


I actually giggled when I saw that I was beaten up by Sudo, a fellow townie.

[Starbuck]

But you still called him scum.

[Starbuck]

The vote on Star could go either way. That was the direction we were heading anyway, so I have no problem with the vote itself. What I don't like is how you separate yourself from the lynch by saying she is "very" far from optimal.

Um, what???? I had repeatedly said I thought she was town (which is now vindicated). Of course her lynch was suboptimal. How can you possibly take issue with me saying that? I never wanted her lynched (well until she claimed one more vote to lynch and that she could only hammer; in my experience with completed games the latter feature was only present in a scum fake-claim in Sushi Mafia; which happened after this comment).

Before I was lynched I NEVER CLAIMED the second part of my role which was to need an extra vote for my lynch (8 rather than 7). I only claimed that my vote only counted when it was hammer.

I told you all that after I was lynched so you could understand what had happened. I acted like I didn't know what was going on with the voting in hopes that you guys would actually believe me (which obviously, didn't work).

And then asking her to self-hammer is just weird.. You say only scum wouldn't self hammer, but why? Town should VERY rarely self-hammer. This was not a time for that.

I was trying to get her to out herself as scum by refusing to self-hammer. My intentions were mistaken, as I later realised, because if she didn't one more person had to vote for her, which would necessarily give us more information. So, yes, I was mistaken. However you don't actually explain how these actions were scummy. What motivation would I have, as scum, for saying something which looks anti-town like that but doesn't actually accomplish anything beyond making people suspect me more?

Knowing what I claimed (that my vote only counted when it was the hammer), how is refusing to hammer myself = to being scum? I would think it to be null-tell because I really don't know anyone scum or town that would hammer themselves unless they were VI.

[Starbuck]

I'm willing to bet of Sudo didn't stump me. I wouldn't have been in the write up and would be "alive" right now.


But you still think that someone refusing to hammer themselves is obvscum. How so?

[Starbuck]

It would have taken 8 votes to kill me on 7.

I only had 7 votes, therefore had I survived the night, I wouldn't have died.

That stumping thing that I'm currently on right now, otherwise being injured, is from Sudo using his night powers.

[Starbuck]

Don't setup lynches. It makes you look horrid.

[Starbuck]

Voting yourself hrm?

I wonder if his win condition has anything to do with getting everyone to lynch him.

[Starbuck]

Let me clear this up for you guys, since I am allowed to talk.


I didn't need 7 votes to be lynched. I needed 8. It would take one extra vote to lynch me.


Also, my vote DID NOT count unless it was the hammer vote.

[Starbuck]

I have discussed my own role and did so multiple times.

You expect me to scum hunt when you all just lynched me. I'd definitely look at who was on my wagon. I'm following along but I am not required to give my opinions on every single person anymore.

[Starbuck]

You expect me to scum hunt when you all just lynched me. I'd definitely look at who was on my wagon. I'm following along but I am not required to give my opinions on every single person anymore.

You weren''t lynched. You got NK''ed.
And if you think that there was scum on your wagon, then make some cases against those players who you think are scum.
Also, thoughts about Empking''s claim?

I was both. If I didn't have my role saying that I need an extra vote, I would have been lynched.

Try again.

[Starbuck]

You really don't get it. In a normal game, I would have been dead at the end of Day 1.

I'm not refusing to help you guys.

I have said it quite a few times. You need to look at who was on my bandwagon.

[Starbuck]

I find it odd that you are focusing on me making cases and not anyone else. You normally aren't this way in games, so this is bothering me.

You were riding my ass pretty hard through Day 1, I wouldn't be surprised if you turned out scum. I'm at work currently and I do not have enough uninterrupted time to go through the encylcopedia's worth of posts you have made to make that case right now.

[Starbuck]

I also think it's suspicious that people are focusing on the dead, voteless, confirmed town player. That is, in fact, the opposite of hunting for scum.

Thank you for finding better words than I could find. This is exactly what I was trying to say.

[Starbuck]

I think you all need to do some scumhunting before I make it easy for you.

[Starbuck]

Zazie, read post 754 please, especially the last sentence.

[Starbuck]

It's only 5 people, 2 are dead.

[Starbuck]

Actually, I'm wrong it's 4 people, I forgot to include KMD.

[Starbuck]

I can't count worth shit today, lemme try that again.

Starbuck - 7 (

Mixologist

, Empking, ZazieR, orangepenguin,

KMD, orto

, Goat)


I don't count Mix/CDB because I don't hold the actions of the replacee on the replacer because I do replace into a lot of games and I hate when it happens to me.

KMD and Orto are dead.

Sudo didn't even vote for me, but stumped me? Weird.

I get a mostly pro-town read on Goat.


Which leaves Emp, ZazieR, and OP.





Cases soon, so ZazieR can have an easier time in the game rather than make her own.

[Starbuck]

Orcs are typical on the side of evil in any type of fantasy game (Warcraft) or movie (LOTR, Chronicles of Narnia, etc). I would definitely say that after Dizzy feeling like he's being misrepresented, along with the other reasons of suspicion that Emp would be the way to go today.

[Starbuck]

EDBWOP= *typically

[Starbuck]

I don't want Dizzy to claim, but I would wonder what race would be paired with Orcs and be able to nighttalk with them.

I know that's speculation, but it is something to ponder.

[Starbuck]

Ok, so Orcs weren't on the evil side of things. That really doesn't make sense.

[Starbuck]

I really don't like how ZazieR has been dependent on everyone else's cases on others.

[Starbuck]

I really don't like how ZazieR has been dependent on everyone else's cases on others.

Like my case against Ortolan?
(Will get to the read when I''m done updating two games of mine, which will very likely take some time)

From two days ago?

That's weak.

[Starbuck]

It shows that your argument isn''t valid.
Also, are you done with your cases?

You mean the cases that you want me to do so you don't have to do any work?

No.

[Starbuck]

No, the cases which were asked of you. Probably since day 1.

It's funny how you want to go back around with this same argument. You make me laugh.

[Starbuck]

My other two suspects turned up town, my last one is you. Since you are so vehement on me making cases rather than making your own, I'm pretty sure you are scum.

[Starbuck]

You aren't doing any scum-hunting on your own and are continuing this endless tirade of me making cases.

[Starbuck]

And you aren't either, you aren't helping the village at all by constantly hounding me for cases before making your own.

You said so yourself, your last case was on orto. He died Night 1. Coincidence? I think not.

[Starbuck]

My case was on Orto day 1, scum, who got lynched day 2. And you who got killed by a vig.
Secondly, my top suspect day 2 were shadowlurker and empking. You didn''t suspect either of them, and nobody else mentioned shadow. I also stated why I didn''t believe Empking and was involved within that discussion.
And now, you''re main suspect is me. So waiting on your case to use it as you claim I''m doing, has no use.

Will you now state your opinions?

First off, Orto was killed Night 1. Or do you not read the front page at all?


If you noticed, after the claim of Orcs, I was suspicious of Empking. My vote doesn't matter, and since the village swung the way I was suspecting, why did I need to add anything?


You might want to do some re-reading before you start throwing around half-truths.



You owe your fellow "villagers" your cases before I ever have to give mine. If you even are a villager.

[Starbuck]

Now you're blaming me because you fell behind in your games, so you can't possibly post your cases?

[Starbuck]

Also, this Starbuck-Zazie argument is silly.

I completely agree with both of you, but she's dead set on not giving you guys cases until I give mine. You don't find that the least bit scummy?

[Starbuck]

I see it as not scum-hunting especially because she still has the chance of being killed.

[Starbuck]

And I think Zazie is scum due to the fact that she has indeed been lurking and has admitted to not making a case since day one on Orto.

[Starbuck]

If anyone objects to this plan, I would definitely look at them first.

[Starbuck]

I think trampling might be Centaurs.

[Starbuck]

Well Zazie is voting for Zazie, so I would say we got one.

[Starbuck]

I love being right.

[Starbuck]

Ehh whatever. I started this game when I really didn't have much experience on the site yet. It's a learning experience, but way to be bitter.

[Starbuck]

I did catch scum. I helped catch you.

[Starbuck]

I did too. I've played games with Zazie before and she's been more involved and constantly making her own points and cases, not relying on others.

[Starbuck]

Are you seriously throwing this game?

This is not like you.

[Starbuck]

Wait, what if Zazie has something in her win condition to be lynched?

[Starbuck]

Then he wins.

Vote: Zazier

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