Mod, you might want to change the count to 8 alive, 5 to lynch. Not trying to tell you how to do your job, but.....Aelyn wrote:It isDay 1. 11 people live; 6 to lynch.
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Well, in this theme the oneEmpTyger wrote:Is there any reason not to have a cop come forwards if they think they’ve found someone who is mafia? Conversely, is there any reason to have a cop come forwards if they haven’t?
Let me remind you that I was responding toEmpTyger wrote:Eh, perhaps I am metagaming too much, although I guess I see it like your speculating on the translation between character and role in the case of Javert. Part of the game.
I don't mind waiting -- but for someone doing a lot of heavy questioning, it's a bit odd that you seem to be avoiding answering one.EmpTyger wrote:I’d rather wait until hearing everyone’s answer before answering your "why would this matter" question, if that’s alright?
Well your explanation here is exactly what I thought it was...nitpicking at my words. There's no way you can honestly say that I'm "hedging," I went out of my way to be perfectly clear about what my meaning was. Or are you still confused? Be specific about your allegation of "hedging" -- if you can't, I'll have to wonder why you're trying so hard to make me look less than forthcoming.EmpTyger wrote:In [10] you said you weren’t sure whether a non-Javert cop should come forward, but would reconsider if someone was a non-Javert cop. I was pointing out if someone came forward then there is no longer anything to consider- the non-Javert cop has already come forward! So it seemed you left it ambiguous whether a non-Javert cop should come forward, so I asked for clarification. Which you kind of did in [20], although you still are hedging.
I'll pardon your inexperience, but your tone is beginning to feel less innocently inquisitive and more accusatory. Sanity is always in question unless the role specifically states sanity. The only specificity I've ever seen in a cop role is "you are guaranteed sane" or the like. Did you really think I was suggesting that a role might say "you are paranoid" or "you are reverse"? And why didn't you consider it from the "you are sane" angle rather than the ridiculous "you are insane" one? Again, it feels as though you're working hard to make me look bad, but you're having to bend over backward to do so.EmpTyger wrote:Pardon my inexperience, because I feel silly for bringing up something that seems very obvious. But, I mean, wouldn’t it defeat the purpose of insanity for the role to specifically say so?MeMe [cont] wrote:1) sanity is always in question (unless the role specifically states sanity)<snip>
What's the purpose of asking "was it"? You can see perfectly well that it wasn't.EmpTyger wrote:This wasn’t explicitly labeled as random. Was it?MeMe [8] wrote:vote: gootentag<snip>
My goodness -- I haven't even gotten heated up in this game. I'm pretty surprised my posts are being characterized in such a way.Mr Stoofer wrote:Perhaps MeMe and LML could put their claws away and concentrate on finding scum instead of scratching each other's eyes out.
This raised my eyebrows...it's feels like a reassurance -- like "well, the situation you describe isn'tgootentag wrote:This is mistaken. Half is not a majority, and I've seen it work out before in a situation with a mafia of 2, a Serial Killer, and a townie of some sort being left. If a Day two mafia lynch occurs (which is unlikely but possible,) the remaining mafia and the SK could kill each other and the town would win. Like I said, unlikely, but possible.
Here you say the Javert talk should be put aside because, hey, it's just speculation. Then you go on, in almost the same breath, to come up with a speculation of your own about Jean Valjean.gootentag wrote:As for the Javert implications, I guess we can put them aside for now. Without either him or another cop showing up dead or alive, it's all speculation anyway. And assumptions can lead to bad things - like in Harry Potter Mafia where it was later discovered that Harry, Hermione, and Ron were the mafia. (NOTE: I haven't read the game, just heard it referenced several times before as a classic case of "Don't outguess the Mod.") I mean, it'spossiblethat Jean Valjean - prisoner 24601 - is scum, right? I mean, he is a convicted theif and robber, amirite?
I made a search...though not "exhaustive" onLordKrishna wrote:I mentioned this earlier, in my posted reply to MeMe:EmpTyger [75] wrote: vikingfan:
4 posts, all short. To summarize:<snip>
I’m not as anti-speculation as others in this game, but speculation by itself does not count as contributing. Honestly, my biggest surprise is that MeMe missed you in [62] when she noted Krishna and gootentag had been keeping low profiles.but it didn't seem to raise an eyebrow from her. This looks rather odd to me, that she'd miss out on that, after having made such an exhaustive search on the rest of us.LordKrishna [63] wrote: I put it to you that in addition to me and gootentag, Mr Stoofer and vikingfan are also less 'post-happy'
Where is this suspicion that you say bob has voiced? My interpretation of bob's comments is that he seems to have gone quite far out of his way toEmpTyger wrote:MeMe and bob voiced suspicions
Well, exactly. And, if viking's telling the truth, the only possibility for the Enjolras role is Changling bob, in my opinion -- something I wasn't eager to point out so blatantly. But as you, through this rather large hint, have kind of ruined any possibility of keeping his identity under wraps for those whoEmpTyger wrote:If vikingfan is telling the complete truth, Enjolras might be revealed already...MeMe [109] wrote:I prefer that Enjolras not be revealed. There are other suspects to pursue without pushing more information out of viking.
...there's no way that he can justify not coming forward if he's a mason with viking. If he can't/won't, viking should swing.Changling bob wrote:According to my admittedly limited experience of mafia, there are few times when withholding information is good for the town, with the exception of doc.
[logic]LML is withholding information.
Withholding information (usually) means scum or doc.
Hence, LML is (probably) either scum or doc.
If LML is not scum, he is probably doc, and hence will have a huge target on his back tonight.[/logic]
Interesting that you pick me out of those voting for you for retaliation...but I'll step up to your challenge:LoudmouthLee wrote:Here's what I don't like... Meme's first and only unvote is a vote to me, even after I claimed.
If you can come up with ANY idea, MeMe, about how Cosette is Mafia, please let me know.
And I think this is interesting. Again a threat and a refusal to provide details about your role. If you've got a power role (as you claim) then withholding it until death is simply childish.LmL wrote:If you feel it necessary to get the entirity of my role, lynch me. If you're pro-town, you're making a huge mistake.
And though I'm pretty sure this was an attempt at humor...I'll just point out that in no way could Cosette be characterized as either witty or likely to go to bed with anyone other than Marius.LoudmouthLee wrote:and, PS: I'm *not* a mason with Viking. He needs to find me.
Maybe he needs to find a different witty girl to go to his bed.
Ridiculous. When conversation is "hogwash" pro-town players should say so and try to figure out why and who is perpetuating said hogwash. That you're dismissing the contributions with a wave of your hand to excuse your lurking is not only insulting but, from what I've seen, also out of character for you. I'd have a easier time believing "I forgot about the game" than for you to assert that you deliberately ignored the game as a whole for more than five days and specific accusations against you for more than two because you didn't deem them worthy of response.LoudmouthLee wrote:Triple post- Posting elsewhere and not here? Mainly because I feel the conversations here have been relatively hogwash and running me around in circles. I'm not going to post for the sake of posting. I'll post when I have something to say.
I still don't see this as plausible. One wrong lynch today (the day most likely for a wrong lynch to occur) and a successful mafia kill tonight would make the numbers 3 scum to 3 town -- game over.LordKrishna wrote:Perhaps there are also 3 Mafia? (!)
Interesting that you and I have voiced opposite reactions on this.EmpTyger wrote:Basically, I didn’t feel his actions pre-claim made sense for the role he’s claiming, nor do I understand why he is so shocked that people are disbelieving him. In retrospect, maybe I should have simply said that.
andMr Stoofer wrote:* I am against any sort of role/character claim at this stage for many reasons including the fact that trying to outguess the mod's allocation of characters to roles is pointless.
...?Mr Stoofer wrote:Vote: the next person to speculate as to the role which the mod has assigned to any character from the book.
My interpretation of this...gootentag wrote:But if Stoofer is telling the truth, than it is no longer a workable scenario, because the scum would know to avoid claiming names Stoofer knows are scummy (their own.)
...was that Stoofer's plan was for him to give a detailed claim of his role -- without exposing the names of the roles he believes to be scum -- and then, if majority wanted to proceed (i.e. agreed that his role seemed pro-town/sane/whatever), we'd all claim OUR names...and then he'd tell us which were scum according to his role. That was just my logical assumption based on the "duh" factor that Stoofer saying the namesMr Stoofer wrote:1. My role PM makes it pretty obvious who the scum are. Everyone could claim their names and then we would either have our scum or 1 or more liars. Of course, this option requires some trust to be placed in me. [I would have to make a detailed claim first.]
Please read the post in which EmpTyger claims to be Thenardier: he claims. Then he fills out the rest of the post with questions and suspicions.Changling bob wrote:MeMe: Here, have an April's fool block of cheese. It might make you feel better for being made a fool. And while your at it, will you kick yourself in the teeth so I don't have to?
No - your "joke" was taken as aEmpTyger wrote:somehow an obvious joke I’ve made is being taken as the ultimate sign of evil
I must have missed the part where we all decided that bob and vikingfan would "have to be mafia together." Mind pointing me to it?EmpTyger wrote:So in any case,this clears bob and vikingfan. Since both bob and vikingfan would have to be mafia together,
Well, yeah it did. Ep delivered a message to Cosette from Marius and then went on to die. I did not say that Eponine died as a result of finding Cosette. But she does dieEmpTyger wrote:This is *not* what happened in the book.MeMe [140] wrote:Perhaps if Eponine finds Cosette, Ep dies (as she did in book).
Yes - they die after that event as well. But as it was claimed that Marius sends Eponine to find Cosette, I thought the most likely scenario of danger would be to one of those three -- and since Eponine is the only one of the three who winds up dead, it seems plausible (much more so than Javert or Gavroche dying, anyway).EmpTyger wrote:The only connection is temporal, and as to that, you might as well say that if Eponine finds Cosette, Javert or Gavroche or Valjean dies.
Yep - I was pretty clear about that. If the town has as much power as their claimed abilities imply, using them is dangerous. However, I still think it's possible that one or the other could be scum. Again, please remind me if this possibility has somewhere been disproven.EmpTyger wrote: So the only conclusion I can draw is that she was trying to discourage the masons from using their abilities.
Please, after his death, pause to admire the beauty of his attempts to stay alive.EmpTyger wrote:Please, after my death, reread the thread and reevaluate immediately- don’t wait until tomorrow; do it before your night choices.
Nope. As I'm on record as saying, I think you're a good player. Since I know you're scum, I want there to be absolutely no chance of you talking yourself out of being lynched. As a player with a pretty good record of talking herself out of "certain" death, I know just how dangerous allowing scum to flap their gums can be.EmpTyger wrote:Finally, for what it’s worth, let me again point out how anxious MeMe has been to rush my lynch. If she were town, wouldn’t she want to have these voting patterns to analyze?MeMe [249] wrote:No reason for delay.
You have more faith than I, Loudmouth.LoudmouthLee wrote:I think the others would have ultimately seen the errors in their logic.
No one can confirm their mason partner as "pro-town" -- I've speculated (as have others, I believe) that the masons may be split in alignment to balance the game. I'm open-minded today.Mr Stoofer wrote:Surely Changling Bob and I are confirmed innocent? Bob is confirmed innocent by vikingfan being confirmed as a pro-town mason.
Attempts that didn't equal a lynch. As I said, some are more suspicious to me than others -- but no one is absolutely cleared in my mind.Mr Stoofer wrote:I am surely innocent based on my repeated attempts to get EmpTyger lynched (which, before you ask, was based entirely on what he was posting).
Um...well...you're leavingMr Stoofer wrote:That means it must be gootentag or LordKrishna.
The most innocent-looking person in the game often gets doc protection and, correct me if I'm wrong, I think I might have been tagged as such after yesterday.Mr Stoofer wrote:I think that this would be a good idea and obviously I'd like nominate LordKrishna to go first. Before we do this, though, why do you think you were not targetted last night - since you were pretty much cleared as a result of your duel with EmpTyger?
It does not. And if you thought it did, I assume you'd have me on your short list of where the mafia "must be." It would have been pretty easy for me to back off of ET yesterday when almostMr Stoofer wrote: The only logic in EmpTyger claiming to be Valjean was because he wanted the real Valjean dead. The fact that you are still alive casts a shadow over you, does it not?
I didn't have this in my notes -- and I'm having trouble finding it now. Can you point me toward the claim?gootentag wrote:Lord Krishna claimed Eponine, didn't he?
If you read my comment in context, you'll see that I wasn't saying I thought I was targeted, but was simply answering Stoofer's question to me about my thoughts on why ILordKrishna wrote:How many scum do you think are left? If one person got shot by scum, then there wasn't another scum to try to kill you. I think that it's more likely that there is no doctor (also: Town over-powered issue), and that the scum tried to kill someone else to throw suspicion on you.MeMe wrote:The most innocent-looking person in the game often gets doc protection and, correct me if I'm wrong, I think I might have been tagged as such after yesterday.
Let me answer your questionChangling bob wrote:@MeMe: Why should gootentag's ability have changed overnight? If he couldn't vote yesterday, why shuold he be able to today?
I don't agree with it being obvious that he's not used his power to recruit. If he was successful last night, how would those who hadn't been recruited know it unless we were told? I admit that ILordKrishna, to Cb, wrote:You haven't obviously haven't used your power to incite revolution or recruit, but how do we know that you didn't, say, try to recruit LML last night?