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I don't think we should color claim. It tells scum whom they can't kill when we lock a floor.
I think that if we conclude that player X is probably town, we should ask that player which color he is and lock that floor (and town bellhops could then attempt to move people into that floor).
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Felt more important to speak out against the colour claim than comment on what looks like a normal D1 wagon. Not sure what the "other scumhunting attempts" you refer to are supposed to be.LlamaFluff wrote:unvote
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You are commenting on the setup, but you are ignoring the early wagon or for that matter, any other scumhunting attempts.
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Okay, so you want to bellhop-claim and then lock a floor with a claimed bellhop on it. Will think about that.Lord Gurgi wrote:Okay, so the scum take the chance that there's no town bellhop, or we get a confirmed bellhop, or there are two. Only SpyreX is that ballsy. Long term, man, long term.
But why do you wanteveryoneto color claim?
This is the exact same question I ask myself before posting, so it's not going to work wonders. If you have anything specific in mind, just ask about that.LlamaFluff wrote:So any thought on anything apart from breaking the game yet?-
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Okay, so, assuming we go through with the bellhop-claim-and-lock plan, then it will be predictable which floor will be locked each day. The scum could then
1) move themselves around in order to be able to submit kills or prevent them getting vigged/investigated/whatever
2) move pro-town players out of the safe floor to kill them
both without anyone noticing.
Is that, in a nutshell, what you think is the risk of not colour-claiming?
If we did colour claim, 2 would of course still be possible and 1 would provide some information (and wifom).
I don't really get this passage, how would they know how many people are in which floor? They'd only know about themselves and the people they moved. So if there's only one bellhop they'd need some nights to be any close to knowing who's where,Lord Gurgi wrote:As we plan to lock out a floor, they cackle because they know there's only one guy on that floor. As we plan to lock out a floor we think are filled with scummy people, they cackle because they know it's got our cop in it.
even more so if there's also a town bellhop who isn't on the safe floor..
I'm under the impression that the Bellhop can't do his business if he's on the safe floor. Is that wrong?Lord Gurgi wrote:On the upside, if the scum are preoccupied with moving the Bellhop, everyone else will be movable according to our intentions
Because if that's the case and we safe floor the only town bellhop, we sure can't move people like we want..-
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Okay.
The plan is to have a claimed bellhop, lock his floor, and have him shuffle pro-town players into his floor.
I see two problems:
1. A scum bellhop could move said bellhop out of the floor, thus making all the work void.
Solution: We only let one bellhop claim and agree that any other town bellhop targets the claimed one and moves him into the floor he already is on, thus making it impossible to move him way.
2. The claimed bellhop might be scum.
Solution: We agree that once the game is reduced to all people being on the safe floor, but not over, to lynch the claimed bellhop.
Of course, if we only have one town bellhop, all this is going to fail anyway.
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Lord Gurgi:
Still interested what exactly I supposedly changed my mind about.TDC wrote:I changed my mind about the bellhop claim before fl actually claimed, so not sure what you mean, can you specify?
I'm still not really in favour of a colour claim.
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In fact, my plan, which she explicitly mentioned when claiming, includes lynching her.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:With the proposed plans a believed claim seems like it's almost a free pass to LYLO so I'm naturally dubious.
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I understand that and it would be decent argument if they were dead scum.
Where I can't follow is how you're so sure about them both being scum that you base your read on another player on it and want to stop the wagon on him.
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How is this related to what colour I have?Lord Gurgi wrote:TDC: It seemed like you were pushing against it for the sake of doing so should it fail, then when it went too far to stop, you were rushing to get on. It's opportunistic.
What you were saying is that you want to colour claim, because it would shed light on my motives for doing what you describe.
But what you just said is entirely unrelated to whether I'm green or not and it happened BEFORE fl claimed.-
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Seriously, you made at it look as if whether I was suspicious or not depended on my colour, while what you're now saying with the opportunistic-crap (if you look back you will see quite easily that I had initially thought the bellhop would not be able to do his stuff on the locked floor) is actually independent of my colour.
Yet you never brought it up before and don't seem particularly interested in inquiring either. You never asked my WHY I changed my mind.
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Meh, I still don't dig Gurgi's plan, but it all fits together. Don't really have anything better. Interested in what Zazie will have in the promised post, though.Patrick wrote:TDC: Who are your suspects at the moment?
Who are your suspects?
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The point was not that the impression that I don't really have suspects was wrong, the point is that you seem to be sitting in the same boat, but pretend you aren't by voting the guy that sits across the bench.LlamaFluff wrote:
So who is scummy? I dont think you have addressed that in this game yet.TDC wrote:LlamaFluff: Okay, let me get this straight. You think other thanme not finding anything particularly scummy, nothing particularly scummy happened. Brilliant. I wish I could pull that kind of stuff, too.-
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LlamaFluff wrote: TDC also still has a random vote out.unvoteThank you so much for reminding me. Not having a vote out at all (Hi, Patrick), is so much more helpful than sitting on the random vote.
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No, I'm just annoyed by Fluff, who, after me basically saying I don't know where to put my vote, points out twice that I still have my random vote going.Patrick wrote:
I'm curious as to why you said this. On the surface it seems like a cheap shot because I don't think my play is comparable to yours even though I'm currently not voting.TDC wrote:unvote Thank you so much for reminding me. Not having a vote out at all (Hi, Patrick), is so much more helpful than sitting on the random vote.
As if random voting SpyreX and not voting at all made any difference.
Your name entered the frame because he doesn't seem concerned by your lack of vote at all, and while I wouldn't say you're as clueless as I am, you've only really voiced minor suspicion of Elmo, as far as I can remember.-
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Why so sure that one of Gurgi and me must be scum? Seems to be more than just thinking we're scummy individually, but rather something that stems from the discussion we had?
I was not suggesting that you post more speculation, I was suggesting that you would be less suspicious of me if I didn't post at all (see the lurkers that don't phase you one bit).
That said, if you hate this so much, you probably should've included pj and all other mods who announced games you were not going to like on the "not-want" list.-
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So basically both of us are sooo scummy that itLlamaFluff wrote:I can cite reasons that I think that each of you are scummy individually, so its not based off the conversation that I think one of you has to be scum. Its more off the conversation that I think that you cant be scum together. In absence of the conversation I would have each of you down as scum.painsyou that one of must be town (and still playsthisbadly) and that's why the other is still scum if one turns up town?
Yes, that's my point. In terms of your suspicion, it would be better for me to post very sporadically. I disagree that that'd be the better course of action, though. Arguably, if a suboptimal course of action lessens your suspicion, something's off.Its part of that you were active and actually keeping up with the game, but still never commented on anything past speculation that was really bothering me.
ZazieR wrote:Meh, will post the complete version tomorrow.
Did your dog eat your "complete version" and so you have to do it all over again?ZazieR wrote:Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
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Not that I remember, barring setup constraints.LlamaFluff wrote:
So you are saying that you have never had a game where player A and B are both scummy, but you dont think they work together?TDC wrote:
So basically both of us are sooo scummy that itLlamaFluff wrote:I can cite reasons that I think that each of you are scummy individually, so its not based off the conversation that I think one of you has to be scum. Its more off the conversation that I think that you cant be scum together. In absence of the conversation I would have each of you down as scum.painsyou that one of must be town (and still playsthisbadly) and that's why the other is still scum if one turns up town?
I remember once claiming that of two townies, exactly one had to be scum. But I was scum myself in that game. It might be that this makes more sceptic of your opinion than I should be.
Point is, I understand why you think we are not scum together. I don't understand how you could be sure enough of either of our scumminess to set up chain lynches on us, while still thinking one of us is town, though.
Elmo hasn't commented on the DDD wagon at all.
Kind of yeah. If you are going to bring up the other lurker arguement thing though, Zazie (although very recently) and Elmo both have done something along the lines of commenting on the DDD, or at least expressing some opinions on alignments at this point.
Yes, that's my point. In terms of your suspicion, it would be better for me to post very sporadically. I disagree that that'd be the better course of action, though. Arguably, if a suboptimal course of action lessens your suspicion, something's off.Its part of that you were active and actually keeping up with the game, but still never commented on anything past speculation that was really bothering me.
Zazie has "explained" her random vote on DDD, which is hardly a comment either.
I'm not even sure what you mean with DDD wagon, seeing how he has just one vote, the aforementioned RVS vote by Zazie.[/quote]
How about from now on, I just assume you end each post with that question, and I'll answer it when I have an answer? Would save precious keystrokes for both of us.page 16, so who is scummy?-
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I got this impression that you want to chain lynch us, by how you explicitly mentioned I would be scum if Gurgi came up town.LlamaFluff wrote:I get the feeling that im failing to explain this right, but if I have a 1, 2 that dont work together and I find one to be town, im going to persue my other pick.
Surely if I'd be just your next person to look at, there's no reason why you'd put me into the list of people incriminated by Gurgi flipping town.
You mean the wagon that rolled because he had no spaces in his name? I really don't see how anything about that wagon was worth mentioning. And I think I even said something similar back then.The DDD wagon was the early random wagon we had, it no longer is really existant at this point in the game, although I thought he still had two votes-
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You scum, spy is slight scum, DDD is slight scum, Fl gets more town points. LG town is harder to make connections on though as compared to...TDC wrote:What would Gurgi coming up town tell you?
Meh, doesn't really look that way.LlamaFluff wrote:That was there as a "The flip would not change my inital read on you" statement.
I guess we find different kind of things interesting.The reaction of Batt to it was something that came from it that I thought was kind of interesting.
In retrospect, the post in question is absurdly verbose (especially compared to his other posts), considering it only says the DDD wagon has no substance (duh).
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Frustration seems genuine. Tunnelling on me - only Patrick has voiced slight support of my wagon, nobody else seems interested, yet he's sitting on me since my second post in the game.Goatrevolt wrote:I'm basically just glazing over the walls on this page. The one thing I really want to know is how TDC feels about Llama.
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How so?SpyreX wrote:Also, to add spice to the pot - if Zaz IS scum I'd put Batt on higher than baseline to be a partner.
I'd prefer if Zazie was replaced, but that's kind of not going to happen if he keeps leaving a "hai. will post more tomorrow. promise"-postjustoften enough..
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I'm back.
Will hammer if necessary, don't think it is, though.
If more-or-less-policy-lynching is so bad, where are you trying to get a Gurgi lynch (I'm assuming he is your top suspect, though I don't remember why you voted him and when you last talked about him)?Nuwen wrote:I'm not outright defending Elmo right now so much as making sure every single person on the lynch wagon has crystal clear motivations and isn't able to pawn off a possible town lynch as "well, he was acting to anti-town and unhelpful and useless."
I don't think so. I don't remember saying anything about Zazie's alignment.TDC on everyone except Zazie
I remember commenting on fl, Gurgi and Fluff, though.
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Sure, I don't think it's going to be particular helpful, though.Goatrevolt wrote:
So can you comment on everyone else then?TDC wrote:
I don't think so. I don't remember saying anything about Zazie's alignment.TDC on everyone except Zazie
I remember commenting on fl, Gurgi and Fluff, though.
Have a gut thing against you, but I figure this is mostly from seeing you as scum in Advertising Mafia and not really seeing anything different here.
Patrick is not as obv-town as his site-wide reputation would suggest, but it seems that's down to disinterest.
Leaning town on SpyreX, not even sure why.
Nuwen, DDD and Bat are meh.
I said I'd hammer Zazie if necessary. Wouldn't know whom else to vote. (If I did, I wouldn't condone a lurker lynch.)SpyreX wrote:TDC and LLama have no votes up.-
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I don't recall anyone ever arguing that you should keep yourself on the safefloor. (There's no use at all if that's the only thing that happens).forbiddanlight wrote:
Ok then. If others confirm this I understand. Regardless of what I did N1, which will not be revealed, I shall do this in the future.I assumed you were moving people to your floor?
I recalled arguments for either being made is all.
An argument was made for unclaimed town bellhops to make sure you stay on the floor while you move other people into it...
I don't think Nuwen would fit as your buddy. That would be far too obvious an attempt to save your life (and it wasn't even all that necessary in the first place).Elmo wrote:TDC, if I'd died and flipped scum, what would you think about Gurgi? Nuwen?
I would need to reread Gurgi in light of you being scum, but I don't think his reason for preferring a Zazie-lynch over a you-lynch were all that different to, say, GR's. That said, I would probably take a look at anyone who claimed Zazie was "more scummy" than you D1.-
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I really don't see how if you did what you were supposed to do, bringing this up would've been a good idea in the first place..forbiddanlight wrote:It's possibly implied, but I respectfully ask that that layer of WIFOM be maintained for the time being.
Anyway,Lock: Green.
No issue with Batt's speculation, though I too think Patrick being killed for repuatation is most likely.
Are you the new Fluff, or is there anything behind this?Elmo wrote:vote tdc-
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I don't know WHY you think everyone else is more townish, so I can't judge. How about you tell me?Elmo wrote:Restated: Do you think my opinion that everyone else is more townish is undeserved?
I have a bit of a bias when I look at my own play. I don't think I'm doing particularly good, but the good-bad axis is not equivalent to the town-scum axis. I would hope that my towniness shines through anyway, so to speak.Elmo wrote: Do you think I'm incorrect that everyone else is more townish?
No. That said with 10 alive that's a rather weak line of scumhunting. This is where I'm a hypocrite, because I'm not doing better either.Do you think my reasoning that if everyone else is more townish than you then I should be voting for you is incorrect?-
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...Elmo wrote:TDC, I think you can comment on whether you agree with my conclusions without knowing the reasoning behind them. Not undeserving would simply mean that you thought it wasn't unreasonable for me to conclude what I did. Incorrect would mean, I suppose, that if you were in my place, you'd come to a different conclusion. I don't think you really answered either.
Again, how would I EVER come to the conclusion that everyone but me is town? How could I possibly agree? That just makes no sense whatsoever.
I don't know what the point of this is either. It might be the case that even scum is doing a better job than me, but you're apparently not willing to tell me how so.
Uh, the bias that it's.. me?What bias do you have looking at your own play?
Believe it or not, but I can't actually step out of my shoes and go "Oh, let's look how this TDC dude is doing".
I mean let's say I, all on my own, mislynched someone. Would I be aware that that could make me suspicious? Sure.
Would I be able to read what I wrote leading to the lynch without thinking "This lynch is justified"? Would I suddenly think "Man, this TDC dude is so scum!" Hell, no.
In the same vein, I can realize I wasn't the most productive player D1 (D2 arguable, has seen the whole town drop near my level..). But I will never come to the conclusion that I'm less town than anyone else.
As in, when reading my posts, people might notice I'm town. I would hope that this happens. I'm not saying that I'm obv-town or anything like that.Why exactly would your "towniness shine through"?
It is the weakest possible attack (well, arguably, it isn't even an attack) you could possible raise. Perhaps you're trying to do something although you don't have anything, perhaps you're just tryting to look like you do something. I don't know.What do you mean by "a weak line of scumhunting", and why's that bad?-
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That's not at all what he's saying. I asked whether he shared Fluff's thought that I'm scummy for not having suspicions and he declined.Lord Gurgi wrote:Incidentally, I think that's what Elmo meant. If you disagree with him, who do you think is the most scummy?
He is specifically voting me because he perceives everyone else as town.
I'm not saying that he should vote someone else because that someone else is scummier. I'm saying that voting me on the basis that everyone else looks town is ridiculous.
I don't think everyone else is town and you're refusing to tell me why I should.Elmo wrote:
I dunno, that's got nothing in common with what I asked you - why the strawman? I asked you if you thought my conclusion was unreasonable, and I asked if you'd come to a different conclusion in my place. My stated conclusion was "everyone else seems at least slightly townish". I really don't think I'm being preposterous here.TDC wrote:Again, how would I EVER come to the conclusion that everyone but me is town? How could I possibly agree? That just makes no sense whatsoever.
Why is Nuwen slightly townish?
Why is GR slightly townish?
Why is SpyreX slightly townish?
Why is Batt slightly townish?
Why is DDD slightly townish?
No matter what you think about me, but if you think 8 people are slightly townish, scum are playing pretty good no matter what, or you suck as badly as I do.Why would scum they be doing a better job than you?
I know I'm playing to the best of my ability. Every single post of me screams town, if I read it.Are you more prone to think a behaviour is more townish if you know it comes from town-you, or what effect does the bias actually have?But I knew that already..
I'm really lost as to what you're trying to get at here.
I sometimes notice people are town. Should work the other way around, too.Why would would people randomly "notice you're town"? I mean, how does that work - why would they reasonably draw that conclusion?
If you're asking whether I can point to a specific thing I've done that shows I'm town, then I obviously can't. (And if I could, it would be all WIFOM..)
It is weak because it relies on your read on eight other players. I thought that much was obvious.Why is my attack weak? What is bad about it being a weak attack?
I'm not suggesting it is bad as such. Just annoying and makes me wonder why, if you can't find something at least remotely plausible, you bother at all.
Curiously, Fluff doesn't seem to be bothered by your lack of suspicion as much as he was by mine.-
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I'm getting tired of this.
In other words, your reads are all very vague.Elmo wrote: Nuwen is slightly townish for defending me, I think she's at least slightly less likely to do that as scum. Batt is slightly town for gut plus his vote near the end of day 1 plus his recent comments about you. SpyreX is very slightly townish on pure gut... I go back and forth on that. Danny is slightly townish for the frustration. Goat isn't slightly townish, but I don't want to lynch him because he came up with that plan and how it pans out probably reflects on his alignment.
As you would always be if you said everyone was "slightly townish". But clearly if the scum are in your slightly townish category while I'm not, they're doing something right.
I'm missing something. That doesn't answer the question, and I don't take your point about my play. At maximum I'm slightly right about five people and slightly wrong about three.TDC wrote:No matter what you think about me, but if you think 8 people are slightly townish, scum are playing pretty good no matter what, or you suck as badly as I do.
Yes. Are you trying to tell me that you can look at your own play without any kind of bias? What's your read on yourself?
So you'd guess there's generally a disjoint between your perception of your posts and other people's perception?TDC wrote:I know I'm playing to the best of my ability. Every single post of me screams town, if I read it.
If I knew what I had to say to look like town, I'd also do exactly that as scum, duh. You have no idea why you think SpyreX is town, and just like that you could have no idea why you would think I'm town.
But you notice based on specific things, not posts like "hi im here" or so. It follows you should have some idea what kind of thing is likely to result in people noticing, and then have some idea of whether you've posted it or not.TDC wrote:I sometimes notice people are town. Should work the other way around, too.
You don't see how more premises with less certainty make a conclusion less valid? (Compare your stance to endgame, where someone says "I'm pretty sure X is town, vote: Y", which is a perfectly reasonable argument.)
Why does that make it weaker, though?TDC wrote:It is weak because it relies on your read on eight other players. I thought that much was obvious.
What, why annoying. It just is. I read your vote and it annoys me. It's not a "TDC has done this and that" which I can reply to. Which I can try to argue against. I can't possibly argue against it (the pointless discussion we're having proves that), because you're resting everything on your vague town reads.
Why annoying, though?TDC wrote:I'm not suggesting it is bad as such. Just annoying and makes me wonder why, if you can't find something at least remotely plausible, you bother at all.
I've already said this. It could be that your hand is empty and you're just trying to keep the game going or whatever.And I don't follow the latter; why is it implausible, and would you seriously prefer I didn't bother at all?
Could also be that your hand is empty and you're just pretending it isn't.
I can't tell which is the case. I don't really see my wagon overtaking Nuwen's wagon because of your brilliant case, so I doubt you're trying to save her.
If you don't want me lynched, voting me and not voting me are just as useless courses of action, only that the latter looks as if it wasn't.
If you do want me lynched, we're back to your case being the weakest and least-likely-to-fall-back-on-you case I could possibly imagine.-
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Welcome back, Fluff.LlamaFluff wrote:Vote TDC
For that matter, who is town? I really have no good idea about where you stand at all. Two days untill deadline of D2 is way to far into the game to have that big of a question mark by anyone.
You will notice that I have said some people look town (you, curiously enough, for example) and that I have no read at all on others (DDD, for example).
I will be delighted to read your answer to what Elmo repeated.
Elmo: I'm fine with us dropping what we were arguing about, but I'm interested in your read on yourself.
Add Nuwen not getting replaced to the list of things annoying me in this game.-
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Yeah. PJ is widely known for his love of cults.Lord Gurgi wrote:Don't like some TDC stuff, can't make sense of what I think he is. Sort of like 3rd party, cult, maybe?
Why is claiming this a good idea? At all?SpyreX wrote:And, I just himmed and hawwed about this some but I want to bring it out to see whats up overall: I was moved to Green last night.
Do you read the game? If you want to vote me for not getting a grip, go ahead.SpyreX wrote:@TDC: No vote at the end of either day? Why.
You're going to have to accept that, while in the absence of anyone I really want dead I can live with lurkers getting lynched, I'm not enthusiastic enough about it that I would tack on my vote when it isn't needed to get a lynch.-
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Which he noticed was flawed.SpyreX wrote:See what Goat said as part of it.
I don't see how, if you are town, telling us that you can't be nightkilled is worth it, if all it does is "confirm" fl, who wasn't going to be lynched anyway.The other half would have been we would have known there were hijinks afoot if FL hadn't said she moved me.
Further, as if there was any REAL doubt, this pretty much cements FL being town - there'd be no reason for a scum-hop to move me to the lock floor soo.-
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That's an argument that you could also use for mass claim Day 1.SpyreX wrote:And the fact that if FL hadn't moved me we'd know more about the setup?
What would we know and why would knowing it outweigh the obvious drawbacks?
Why do you think that fl chose to move you, but scum would not consider killing you?Its not like I was a high-profile NK target that now, alas, is going to change the game mechanics - I'd put dollars to donuts the NK attempt was Goat last night by that's just my theory based on Goat / FL being town.-
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I distinctly remember us saying that any other town bellhops should just protect her by moving her to the floor she already is on.SpyreX wrote:
Yes, because my confirming what FL did = massclaim day 1. Touche'.That's an argument that you could also use for mass claim Day 1.
What would we know and why would knowing it outweigh the obvious drawbacks?
Well, we know that:
a.) FL is a bellhop (or ballsy as all getout).
b.) It wasn't done by ANOTHER town party who would have jumped all over said claim by FL it it wasn't true.
That goes for everyone on green. Especially whomever she moved N1 (if anyone). Where's you advocating for that claim?but we do know that d.) If I was scum I would not be performing the kill tonight - which means if we have investigative roles other than cop in this voodoo setup then watching / tracking me is a waste of time.
Why do you think that fl chose to move you, but scum would not consider killing you?
I'm asking because her objective is moving pro-town people into her floor to protect them from being night-killed.FL has been fairly clear about thinking Goat and I were town. So, moving said town roles (esp Goat) to green helps protect them - especially after not getting moved AWAY herself.
However, what does that have to do with the other?
If you're not going to be night-killed moving you to the safe floor is suboptimal. Yet you take that as confirmation of her being town. (What do you expect her to do as scum? Move her buddies into her floor so they can't kill anymore?)
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So you can't point to anything specific.SpyreX wrote:
All of our interactions? The fact I got moved?TDC wrote:btw, SpyreX, where did you get the idea that fl thinks you're town (other than her moving you, duh)? I can't find anything.
Raw, sweet delicious gut. FL can come in and say one way or another but.
I'm trying to understand why you are not questioning a move that you yourself must think is less than optimal, considering you have concluded you are far more likely to be lynched than nightkilled.
Mind replying?I wrote:
That goes for everyone on green. Especially whomever she moved N1 (if anyone). Where's you advocating for that claim?but we do know that d.) If I was scum I would not be performing the kill tonight - which means if we have investigative roles other than cop in this voodoo setup then watching / tracking me is a waste of time.-
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Uh, what? You just moved him to the fucking safe floor. If the reason is NOT that you think he's town and want him to be safe from being night killing, then please, please tell me what is going on in your mind.forbiddanlight wrote:I will not state what I think of Spy's alignment.
I don't really know where I'm going with this and I don't really see a scum motive for your behaviour.SpyreX wrote:My question is at this point: what are you aiming for with this?
Am I scum? Is this a scum move? Why?
I'd like to think you did it to avoid fl being lynched (that would at least somewhat associate you with her), but clearly she wasn't going to get lynched anyway. I agree with your assessment that you were not the most likely night kill on the planet, so pushing this as an excuse for not dying later on, isn't all that plausible either.
What is bugging me is that you agree that it wasn't all that helpful to move you, because you think you're more likely to get lynched thatn nightkilled and that the only evidence that she actually thought you were town is your gut (and she isn't even willing to back you up on that) - yet you never even asked her why she moved you and instead took it as confirmation of her being town.
I can't get my head around that.
I've asked that before, but how is her moving a townie (from your perspective) a confirmation of her being town? Moving scum makes no sense. Moving nobody makes her suspicious. Moving nobody but claiming to have moved scum ties her to her buddies.
Moving townies that are not widely seen as town and hence unlikely to get nightkilled, and can be lynched later on, would seem to be the optimal scum move to me.
Now what would your motivation be to confirm town-fl if you are scum? None.
But if you're both scum, why do this whole claim-thing at all?
On the other hand, if I was in your shoes, I'd (if I did claim at that point, which I wouldn't), sure ask her why, of all people, she moved me?
In fact, if I did claim, then probably only to ask her that question..
It just makes no sense either way and you don't really seem interested in explaining it.
I assume LG-me is still because we're both soooo scummy but can't be scum together?LlamaFluff wrote:A partial reread really didnt help too much. GR moved up my scum list for reasons I need to go look at closer over the next few days, and I am still thinking LG-TDC is a town-scum but am not sure which all that much. Im almost to the point where I think its one of GR-spy, one of TCD-LG, and one that im missing.
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