Mini 174- Townie Mafia- Game Over!

[SpeedyKQ]

I came really, really close to posting in Mini 175, "No townie" mafia, thinking it was this game. Only when I looked at the list of players to find a random-vote victim, and saw I wasn't on the list, did I come to my senses.

Anywho, random

vote brushhopper.

[SpeedyKQ]

Seol, you don't like lurking, or you don't like being the only one with two votes?

[SpeedyKQ]

What is this obsession with the second vote? I've never understood why it gets so much attention, but whatever - check out my newbie games, they all contain my usual rant on second vote syndrome. At the moment I'm more concerned about getting some sort of discussion going, because this game is just totally stagnant.

Day one usually starts with a bunch of random singleton votes and ends with a randomish bandwagon lynch. I think second votes get so much attention because they are the transition between these two states.

But I'm all for a bit of discussion before the lynching commences.

My vote on brushhopper is hereby un-randomed, because of lurking.

[SpeedyKQ]

I'm frustrated with the lack of participation too. I'd be happy to start putting more pressure on lurkers. A game this quiet is certainly advantageous to the mafia. I'll keep my vote on brushhopper, but

FOS Assasin, kwyjibo, and Mr. Stoofer.

[SpeedyKQ]

kwyjibo, are you acting strangely because your role requires, or are you just generally frustrated with how this game is going? I have seen people lose their patience in the way that you seem to be doing, but generally it takes more provocation.

[SpeedyKQ]

I expect there may be some information floating around but revealing everything day one isn't usually wise.

I think Kwyjibo's posts are so ridiculously unhelpful as to not reveal anything about his alignment. Townies and scum are equally capable of terrible play, I think. Anyways, I'd like to hear more from him before I think about adding my vote.

[SpeedyKQ]

So when people get on Sunday we're going to have all kinds of stuff to talk about, right?

Please?

[SpeedyKQ]

At this point, I'm willing to bandwagon to a claim any of brushhopper, SquareKnight, or kwyjibo.

[SpeedyKQ]

Unvote brushhopper

for now. But I'd like to see that third post soon. I think Squarekight's questions above are good. I'll

vote Omniplex.

Only two posts, one with a random vote and one with a bandwagon vote. I also find this:

deadline
:gulp:

a little put-on.

[SpeedyKQ]

I also noticed this:

At this point, I'm willing to bandwagon to a claim any of brushhopper, SquareKnight, or kwyjibo.

Odd that he didn't mention Assassin.

At that point, Assasin had posted just a bit more than brushhopper or SquareKnight. I was also willing to go after kwyjibo because of his suicidal paranoid oddness.

But I agree, by now Assasin is just as bad as the others. I'm willing to put my vote on whichever of Assasin, Omniplex, or brushhopper already has the most votes. To that end,

mod

, could we get a vote count?

[SpeedyKQ]

Oh, and DarkLight, what are your rules for lynches at deadline?

[SpeedyKQ]

I'm inclined to believe Assasin. The tone and power level of the role seem close enough to my own to make me think he isn't making it up. Not only that, but his ability is confirmable. Maybe offer to be friends with Mr. Stoofer, since he seems especially skeptical?

Omniplex has been replaced, so I will

unvote Thesp, vote brushhopper.

[SpeedyKQ]

I'm inclined to believe Assasin. The tone and power level of the role seem close enough to my own to make me think he isn't making it up. Not only that, but his ability is confirmable. Maybe offer to be friends with Mr. Stoofer, since he seems especially skeptical?

Omniplex has been replaced, so I will

unvote Thesp, vote brushhopper.

[SpeedyKQ]

OK, I'm frustrated. I think brushhopper's claim has the ring of truth too, and I'm not sure if we have time for another bandwagon before deadline. Anyway's I'll

unvote brushhopper, vote Thesp.

I'm not crazy about lynching a new replacement, but at least Omniplex seemed scummy, even if I have no opinion of Thesp.

[SpeedyKQ]

OK, I'm frustrated. I think brushhopper's claim has the ring of truth too, and I'm not sure if we have time for another bandwagon before deadline. Anyway's I'll

unvote brushhopper, vote Thesp.

I'm not crazy about lynching a new replacement, but at least Omniplex seemed scummy, even if I have no opinion of Thesp.

[SpeedyKQ]

Sorry I've been away for awhile. I'll

unvote Thesp

and

vote Mr. Stoofer.

When Assasin roleclaimed, Stoofer was more eager for a lynch, which makes me think he may not have a "___-Townie" kind of role.

The biggest question in my mind right now is whether scum have special abilities. If they don't, those of us with verifiable abilities can clear ourselves. Like Assasin, my ability is weak, provable, but the use of it would not prove my innocense.

[SpeedyKQ]

Sorry I've been away for awhile. I'll

unvote Thesp

and

vote Mr. Stoofer.

When Assasin roleclaimed, Stoofer was more eager for a lynch, which makes me think he may not have a "___-Townie" kind of role.

The biggest question in my mind right now is whether scum have special abilities. If they don't, those of us with verifiable abilities can clear ourselves. Like Assasin, my ability is weak, provable, but the use of it would not prove my innocense.

[SpeedyKQ]

I agree with others' points about giving too much away about our roles. I probably shouldn't have said as much as I did about mine, but I was thinking about ways we could figure out this particular game setup and use it to our advantage. There may yet be a time to do that kind of figuring, but it should probably come closer to the endgame.

I'm getting really tired of the self-voting too and I'm considering a metagame policy of lynch all self-voters. As we've discussed, whether self-voting is a scum tell or not, it does indicate a player who is not taking the game seriously and is not going to be helpful to the town. Or perhaps Bluesin is scum and thought that kwyjibo took pressure off himself by self-voting, so figured he'd try it too. In any case, enough already.

Unvote Mr. Soofer, Vote Bluesin.

[SpeedyKQ]

I don't know if we have a vig or an SK to thank for the second killing, but a knife is the traditional weapon of choice for serial killers on this site.

I still think from yesterday's conversation that Mr. Stoofer is the most likely scum.

Vote Mr. Stoofer

[SpeedyKQ]

He said that he has an ability that he may choose to use. If he uses it, he has the posting restriction and if he doesn't use it, he doesn't.

[SpeedyKQ]

Geez, I thought

I

could be long-winded.

My main reason for thinking Stoofer is suspicious is his quick refusal to believe Assasin's claim. My initial reaction to the claim was the opposite.

I also agree with at least some of the points Thesp made above.

I would very much like to hear what kwyjibo and brushhopper think of current events.

[SpeedyKQ]

Yup, me three. I'll

unvote Mr. Stoofer

pending confirmation from kwyjibo.

[SpeedyKQ]

If kwyjibo remains AWOL I'll want a deadline extension.

[SpeedyKQ]

Seol, he was who I had in mind so thats good. Another person I had in mind was Thesp. Tell me who to ask, I don't trust myself so I will choose who you think is right. I trust you.

Some friendly advice: If you know you're pro-town, and you don't know whether Seol is pro-town, by all means, trust yourself first.

So we need to lynch someone, and fast. I don't especially prefer kwyjibo, but with the deadline tomorrow, I'll bandwagon.

Vote kwyjibo.

I'd like a roleclaim from kwyj, and I will formally

beg for a deadline exension.

::grovels::

[SpeedyKQ]

Let me go through player claims and figure out what we know:

Assasin - Leader of happy friends club. Can invite people to talk with him at night. The ability is confirmed by Seol. Claimed ___-townie role before anybody else. Mostly but not completely cleared, IMO.

brushhopper - Claims to have an ability that he can optionally use - if he uses it he has a posting restriction "from being tired." Not cleared, but this would be a pretty sophisticated claim for a newbie, and I think it is more likely true than not. I'd rather look elsewhere at least for today.

dybeck - No claim yet

kwyjibo - Roleblocker. Confirmed by Mr. Stoofer.

Mr Stoofer - Protecting doctor-like role. Confirmed by kwyjibo. Stoofer and kwyjibo only confirming each other is a little troubling, but they should each be able to demonstrate their abilities to others tonight, so we should leave them alone for today.

Thesp (replacing Omniplex) - No claim yet

Seol - No claim yet

SpeedyKQ - I know I'm innocent, but for the rest of you, I've claimed my role ability is verifiable and nothing else.

So by process of elimination, we have dybeck, Thesp, and Seol (and me?) left. I'll be voting for one of you today.

With our doctor exposed and our cop dead, I think we should mass claim. Especially if the only people who don't have demonstrable roles are the mafia, and so far that pattern has held. Plus I'm sure all you mafia types have been thinking forever what you would claim, and you're probably DYING to share your creativity with us.

I am the Kung Fu Townie. Once a day, during the day, I can knock out a player who has voted for me. When they are knocked out their vote doesn't count and they can't talk for the rest of the day.

[SpeedyKQ]

Well, kwyjibo, Seol, Mr. Stoofer, and dybeck all seem willing to go along with the claim idea since I proposed it. With the deadline approaching, I think that ought to be enough consensus to move forward.

Unvote kwyjibo.

I just noticed that my vote was still on him.

[SpeedyKQ]

No way, Seol. Sounds like you want to scare the bejeezus out of anyone who might want to vote for you. If we do the math I expect we'll find that if your claim is true and we lynch you, we'll immediately lose. How convenient. I'm not falling for it.

Vote Seol

I'm willing to unvote and be the one to put the last vote on later if anybody is too afraid (or thinks their role is too valuable) to do it.

[SpeedyKQ]

Well, the night's events pretty much showed Thesp's claim to be BS, too.

He admitted he stabbed MoS night two, claiming he is a vigilante who must kill, and only kills on even-numbered nights. But looky, we just had another stabbing, on an odd numbered night. Either we have two different stabbers who have only killed one night each (I don't think so), or Thesp is our friendly neighborhood serial killer. I think that we can't kill Thesp, though, because if the game started with a 3-member mafia, it would leave us in a losing situation with 3 townies and 2 mafia going into night.

So, we need to kill one of the mafia, and I'm pretty dang sure this will do the trick:

Vote Seol.

[SpeedyKQ]

No. If we go into night with 1 SK, 1 Mafia, and 3 townies, we still have a chance.

[SpeedyKQ]

It would make less sense for him to claim to be the stabber if he were vanilla mafia.

Think about it, a serial killer who needs a plausible claim, and was lucky/smart enough to nail a mafia with his first kill. I'd be very tempted to claim vig in that situation.

Anyway, I shall grant Seol's request for a beating. I'm sending the message to the mod requesting the knockout.

[SpeedyKQ]

I'm finding it really hard to envision a situation where Thesp is pro-town. If he is pro-town, somebody else did last night's stabbing, but for some reason that other stabber didn't kill at all on night 1 or 2. Possible, but really unlikely, in my opinion.

In the very outside chance that he is telling the truth, I'd say his best kill choice is dybeck, whose role has not been confirmed at all. Assuming we lynch Seol now, that is.

[SpeedyKQ]

Ah, good point, dybeck. Assasin should invite somebody before the day ends.

I still tend to trust Assasin, though. If the HFC was a big lie, it was extremely well choreographed.

[SpeedyKQ]

Sit on our thumbs until Assasin or kwyjibo upgrades their FOS into a full-fledged vote, or at least tells us why they are hesitant to do so.

Ideally, I'd like Assasin to invite somebody to the HFC first, but I'm not too worried about that part of it.

[SpeedyKQ]

Excellent game all. I think it was a well balanced setup, maybe even with a pro-town slant, no doubt in my mind the better team won this time. Well done, baddies, congrats.

Thanks for running it, DarkLight.