Mini 817: Chosen (Game Over!)

[don_johnson]

hello, reading up. just so you know, don't expect a giant post when i'm done. its not how i roll.

[don_johnson]

up to page 5. zorblag diverting his vote from nuwen is noted.

[don_johnson]

if nothing i can say is going to change your mind and you are confident you have scum then by all means hammer away. i am on page 5 and hoping to read for about a half hour or so but whatever. i don't read during night phase so if you hammer i'll be in the same spot tomorrow if i'm not nk'd.

[don_johnson]

who said i wasn't going to bother catching up on? i am reading right now. herod wants to hammer and seems to be implying that nothing i say is going to make a difference as to his decision.

That's extremely unhelpful. Anti-town, even.

yes. pleased to meet you. i'm don_johnson.

[don_johnson]

Also, your endgame scenario there isn't quite right. If we've still got the chosen in the last four players then the mafia have to lynch them and cannot lynch the other townie or we lose.

reads as a scumslip, no?

So, are you the chosen?

not sure yet if i should answer that.

[don_johnson]

okay then, i'm the chosen one.

[don_johnson]

why are you voting dry-fit?

[don_johnson]

Your role PM indicates that?

of course not.

unvote, vote Herod

[don_johnson]

12. The mafia will be allowed to choose 4 people to be excluded from being the Chosen One; out of the remainder, one will assume the role at random (without being notified).

[don_johnson]

He wants to lynch the chosen.

and how do you know whose the chosen?

[don_johnson]

baiting, not lieing. its page 19. rules are on page 1. chosen one doesn't know who they are. mafia only knows the chosen is one of four they didn't exclude. why would you ask such an unanswerable question?

[don_johnson]

I'm not as confident of that, but I'm definitely town, and it is possible I'm the chosen, so yeah, I think I'd only consider self-voting if we were at 3-player.

how is it possible that you are the chosen and not know it? you have asked two other players if they are the chosen, yet seem to understand the game mechanic perfectly in reference to yourself.

dry-fit: please explain yourself.

[don_johnson]

baiting as in: seeing what would happen if i claimed to be the chosen. dry-fits vote is certainly suspect(especially void of reasoning), but you then voted him as if you believed me. you will need to further explain 2 and 3. other players have been calling you the chosen and you really haven't stepped in too much to dispel the reason. raivann could easily have camped their vote on you to distance and you are certainly a smart enough player to bus your scumbuddy for credibility. archon certainly never voted nuwen, but did interact somewhat suspiciously.

end of day 1 i read ed as townie. his responses to zorblag could be a clever ruse, but i doubt it.

[don_johnson]

you have asked two other players if they are the chosen

I recall one of those... could you link to the posts you're referring to?

me. the other is post 27 in iso. you ask ed.

Dry-fit, if I had to guess, voted you because you made a claim which could only be a fake-claim. I voted dry-fit to give you a false sense of security so that you would confirm your fake-claim.

so you think i'm stupid? what benefit would djscum have from claiming the chosen one?

Are you saying in your third sentence that I should be trying to argue that I'm a VT? I don't know that I necessarily am.

no, just wanted some explanation from you as to why you chose the line of questioning you did. by accepting the fact that everyone seems to agree you are the chosen it serves to prevent us from looking at other possibilities. the chosen was selected at random from four players, so to just agree that archon is the chosen for the reasons stated seems a bit oppurtunistic.

[don_johnson]

^^ not a very good stand to take.

[don_johnson]

just got home. wanted to leave my vote on herod for a bit to see if anyone jumped on.

unvote, vote special ed

his recent posts have a more ad hom approach(i.e. complaining about how we play on this site) and appeal to emotion. his lackidaisical response to my posting just seemed like scum waiting to see what happened before committing to either side. did anyone figure the odds of afatchic being the chosen? i don't think i am, but i think the actual clues point towards an ed/raivann pairing. if its not ed, i would certainly become more suspicious of those leading the town right now.

PZ: read all you want. i'm an idiot and people generally don't welcome me into their games.

[don_johnson]

now you are just being fatalistic.

you are not scumhunting. porque?

[don_johnson]

you and herod are more suspicious now, similar to how you are stating you would feel about pz if he was still here. fortunately, perhaps, miteymouse should most certainly be scrutinized at this point. explain why scumdj would hold back from the miteymouse lynch yesterday? i was obviously willing to make some waves and by doing so incurred suspicion upon myself. if scumdj knew miteymouse was the chosen, what benefit would i have had to do what i did instead of steering the lynch to someone, who by all accounts, could easily have been lynched in ed's place. the selling point to me for ed's lynch was his somewhat monotone reaction to the "gambits" run at day's end. i would have thought a townie would have fought harder considering anyone of us could be the chosen.

also, dry-fit's vote on me was a bit suspicious as well, only because it was a super easily explained vote. good cover for scum.

[don_johnson]

do you think mitey is likely to be the chosen? i.e. your theory only applies if i am scum and mitey is the chosen.

why would the answers be different? you both seem to be pretty popular here in this thread. i.e. people are in general agreement that you are both town. players who are not nightkilled are either scum, lucky, or the chosen. i am surprised that neither of you is dead which bolsters the idea that one of you may be the chosen, but also that one of you may be scum. there is most likely only one mafia left. losing the chosen doesn't end the game. chosen was much more valuable with the scumteam intact. at this point we should have two mislynches before town loss, no?

speaking of: should we consider the idea of a 3 person scumteam? not sure how that would counterbalance the chosen mechanic, but common sense tells me 2 scum, 1 left.

[don_johnson]

^^ what? sounds more like scum reasoning than town.

[don_johnson]

sorry mitey, yes. i had to read your post a couple times to get it, so i retract my statement.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote dry-fit

i am basing this vote entirely off an iso read of blood covenant. replacements often find a way to squirm out of suspicion, but i played BC town in a newbie game and he was much more aggressive. i will note his early mitey mouse vote came after he made a case on nuwen. he also buddied to PZ after the early bandwagon.

bloodcovenant: remaining scum

mitey mouse: possible chosen.

anyone with experience playing against afatchic would most likely not make them the chosen, so i doubt its me. i don't know mitey mouse, but both raivann and blood seemd to lead me to this conclusion at the present time. more later.

i think i may have been wrong about the chosen being more valuable early on. i see now that if we keep the chosen alive then we win, right? still, chosen mechanic aside, we should be looking for the final scum and not worrying so much about the chosen. we can win with the chosen lynched, no? we shouldn't be too scared to move the game forward as who the chosen is is an extremely wifomic problem. we should simply lynch the scummiest players.

[don_johnson]

zorblag: i doubt i am the chosen, though i would rather we lynch scum.

dry-fit: these questions?

don-johnson, you're voting for Herodotus. Do you think that he probably isn't the chosen at this point? If so, why not? If not, why are you voting him?

i had no idea then and have no idea now. it wouldn't surprise me at all if archon was town that he was the chosen. i have lynched archon in every game i have played with him, twice on the first day. the vote was mainly to see if i could draw out the remaining scum if herod was actually the chosen.

Has your read of the rest of the game given you any new thoughts on me other than what you said earlier about noting my failure to vote for Nuwen by the end of page five?

not really. you are level headed, but that doesn't clear you as town. i would be comfortable lynching you.

Why would you think that we wouldn't want to get your opinions on everyone on record before the lynch even if it was a given that Special Ed was the lynch for today?

not sure what this is in reference to.

funny thing:

I don't think that MiteyMouse is likely to be the chosen at all unless don_johnson is scum.

If he turns out to be a townie and I die tonight then I'd have MiteyMouse self hammer

so we are the only two you think may be scum?

[don_johnson]

reasonable. i will respond a bit more when i get the chance.

unfortunately

mod: v/la through august 19th due to family illness.

i should be able to post once or twice and i would like to respond to zorb.

[don_johnson]

i am fine with being lynched as i don't think i am trhe chosen, but i stick by my original read. so i'm not self voting or anything like that. ill family has passed away so my response won't be until tuesday at the earliest. things are okay, it was not an unexpected tragedy or anything like that. more later.

[don_johnson]

dry-fit is still scum in my book. he wasn't on the raivann wagon either. i don't see a case for miteymouse scum at this point and am wondering why dry is "tunneled".

[don_johnson]

can you expand on this "partnership"?

[don_johnson]

not bad. i really can't speak for afat's play. in my experience afat doesn't always pay a whole lot of attention to his games. i would have had town afat lynched in lylo in a recent completed game if it weren't for a late game levelheaded replacement. but whatever. if i flip chosen that places suspicion squarely on you, so... i would rather lynch dry-fit at the present time.

[don_johnson]

well then. seems i am to be lynched. good luck.

[don_johnson]

don_johnson, if you do get lynched, Dry-fit was night killed and you both flipped townie, given what you know right now who would you suspect as scum and chosen?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

unvote, vote zorblag

you are getting more and more manipulative.

[don_johnson]

yes. and i am giving you my thoughts. i will lynch you or dry-fit. if i am to be lynched then you can reread my play and how those around me played and figure this out.

[don_johnson]

no. not really. i think if you or herod is scum then town is going to lose as noone seems to want to stand up to you.

[don_johnson]

anything's possible. its hard to say because i have been looking at it from my pov. if i were scum with raivann i would have made archon the chosen because in every game i have played with him he has been an extremely easy lynch. hands down. afatchic, on the other hand, i have never lynched. zorblag, are you a replacement? i would not have made zorb the chosen. so unless he is a replacement...

i think if i were the chosen i would most likely have been lynched by now. afat is not so easy, but dj isn't hard to lynch. my deal is that i always convince people not to lynch me. but if you want to, its not difficult.

so no. i don't think i'm the chosen.

[don_johnson]

unvote

vote: dry-fit

that changes things. i have read nadroj.

i think i'm right with my initial analysis.

[don_johnson]

pre replacement: mitey mouse and blood would have been excluded because i don't know mitey and blood is a bitch of a lynch.

post: herodotus and zorblag because i know they wouldn't be easy lynches.

[don_johnson]

i don't see the relevance here. with so many replacements, its really up for grabs at this point. if i had my way i'd lynch dry-fit.

[don_johnson]

that's not enough time for me to produce anything else substantial. i don't think i'm the chosen, so you guys will have to make the call. i'm not moving my vote and i am not self hammering.

[don_johnson]

are we mod abandoned?

wait. dry fit nor mitey hammered me?

herod: do you have any suspicions of zorblag?

[don_johnson]

hm. if i flip chosen i would think that scum is already on my wagon. just be aware of whose setting up who for tomorrow. zorb: suck an egg, buddy. i don't have time for a giant reread and post before deadline. there's nothing "scummy" about that. if i flip chosen i pick you for scum. you really haven't budged from me all day.

[don_johnson]

no. not mafia. good luck.

[don_johnson]

i can't believe i had o good read in this one. well played all. dry-fit, your lack of posting on the final day seemed to implicate you a bit more. it was hard to see mitey as scum with all of his contributions, but alas, had you gone hard for the lynch it would have been obvious as well.

i definitely think a third goon would help, or perhaps a mafia traitor role?