Mini 843- The Fast and the Furious Mafia! (Over-Mod Error)

[Tjoe Min Ja]

/confirm

[Tjoe Min Ja]

^^ what he said.

vote: boxman

post 23 is a modified piggyback reason of of post 22. during rvs, players "randomly" vote other players, however, the "randomness" of many votes is extremely questionable thus prompting scum players to overcompensate in making absolutely sure that their vote is interpreted as in fact, "random". this is clearly what has happened here and boxman should be lynched forthwith. a similar argument could be brought against doombunny, but by being first, he scores points for originality and should thusly be lynched second, as opposed to first. hm.

which part of post 23?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

22-

Vote Tjoe Min Ja

Because his name falls last alphabetically so he must be scum

23-

Vote: Kodamma

for being last on the list of players.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

FOS : DJ and kodamma

MordyS's action is less compared to those two

especially because both jumped for "weird" reason

vote kodamma

because you jump fo no reason

[Tjoe Min Ja]

From what I've gathered Faraday seems pro-town to me so far. He has done nothing particuarly scummy in my eyes and is contributing a lot to the discussion. I would like to hear more from Kodamma before I do much more first. Kodamma-Can you please tell us everything you were thinking as you voted boxman and quickly jumped off?

I'll wait for kodamma too

There is no real one place scum want to be. Trying to read his mind will get us no-where, I think he just simply jumped on the bandwagon. There's nothing particularly suspicious about that in and of itself.

NOWHERE?...not entirely true.some scum may use MordyS' lead as momentum to bring more vote

A vote is our means of pressure, thus more votes = moar pressure. The bandwagon on Boxman not only let us guage his reaction, but like we saw who he was suspicious of and so on. Basically it's a good way to kick the game off, and end the 'random voting stage' (hate that term).

quick bandwagon isn't good for town and can considerable anti-town.

ross-70&78, doom-71&80 : lol...I'll try to come up with more thoughtful contemplation

I'm still waiting to hear any response from Kodamma, who appears temporarily MIA?

Far_Cry

UNVOTE

I'm not pointing vote for now till there are more post to see

[Tjoe Min Ja]

the key is in kodamma and I really hope he can come up and start explain something

[Tjoe Min Ja]

quite a post....what make you think that box is truly town?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

What about his reaction made him seem town? You think b/c he felt under threat he's more likely to be town? If that's the case then I flat out disagree, as it's a null tell. I actually thought he

over-reacted a bit

to a random bandwagon.

which part of his post u said overreacted?

After his response, I'm willing to back off a bit for now, but I'll still be watching him.

His response seems to come from a townie mindset,

which is really all I've got to go one at this point in the game. He's gotten himself back to even footing, but I'm not prepared to label him a townie yet. He's correct about his vote sparking discussion (and about it putting him in the spotlight).

He gets bonus points for ending the RVS

(which I've never been a fan of, but that just means I like him as a player). I like that we now have interactions to analyze for later in the game as well. Overall, I'd say I'm neutral on kodamma for now. Further posts from him will hopefull change that.

who else you think is "scum" or "town"?
bonus? is this mean town read or scum read?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

I agree with most things being said right now about Kodamma

, I can't formulate a concisive post right now so

I'll just nod my head at things Faraday said

, especially about Kodamma trying to please everyone. Town isn't afraid to piss people off, because a town player doesn't care if people are getting along or not, they only want to lynch scum. Town doesn't have to be friends with eachother, just work together. Amateur scum somehow gets this idea in its head that if they buddy up with everybody and work the charm, nobody is going to lynch them

Heads up scum. Being buddy-buddy with the town doesn't mean a thing. We'll lynch you anyway. So Kodamma and anybody else, you might as well stop playing the social game now because there is no social game to be played.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Kodamma...The straw thats breaking my camel's back right now is his overly flowery typing. I feel like he's trying to look like he's saying alot without really saying anything at all...it might be nothing, but it's making me uncomfortable enough to go ahead and vote. I feel like he's hiding something.

Vote: Kodamma

FOS : Ross

1. which part you disagree?
2. trying to please everyone isn't that scummy. especially when he is being voted. town and scum may act the same.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

you still haven't answer my first question....look's like you are just following people and trying to build bandwagon

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@faraday....I'll take boxman as neutral for now

@Spyrex....what is your opinion so far?

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@Tjoe

There is no real one place scum want to be. Trying to read his mind will get us no-where, I think he just simply jumped on the bandwagon. There's nothing particularly suspicious about that in and of itself.

NOWHERE?...not entirely true.some scum may use MordyS' lead as momentum to bring more vote

While what you say is true, you left off one part. What if Mordy is scum trying to lead us onto a bandwagon?

And I do agree with you that a quicklynch in no way benefits the town.

Ok, let's get things moving.

Unvote
Vote: Boxman

that's true but MordyS statement isn't strong enough to build a bandwagon

@RossWilliam

In post 105, it seems as though you are piggybacking off of a few others cases and not making your own. There's something about your post that I really don't like. It almost seems like an overreaction without anyone actually attacking you.

Then once you are called out on it, you reply with post 114. I really don't feel that it is genuine.

You seem to just be skirting along on the backs of everyone else's cases and I do not like it.

Vote: RossWilliam

I've been asking about Ross statement there...

you still haven't answer my first question....look's like you are just following people and trying to build bandwagon

I didn't answer your first question Tjoe because it makes no sense.

I may know whatTjoe was trying to say so I'll try to explain.

I agree with most things being said right now about Kodamma

Now I think Tjoe was wondering what you disagree about what people are saying against kodamma. Meaning a lot of people are talking about kodamma. You agree with most. What are the things you don't agree with. I hope I've explained it well and you can answer it soon.

so I'll wait till he came with some answer.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@anim: between don, me, and shadowknight.....which one is scummiest?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@mod : I'm going to have vacation from tomorrow till 24 Sept

[Tjoe Min Ja]

Do I really need to point my opiinons into posts?

great one you have there....anim

Additionally: one of Anim / Doom is scum. This just in. I may be switching my vote once I figure out which one.

I'll say that this is prob. true.

how come you be so sure?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@mod : btw...I'm back earlier:)

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@mod : I think rosswilliam and starbuck hasn't post for days

[Tjoe Min Ja]

He died due to either mafia or an SK. I don't know if real life came up or not but he never showed up to the QT to talk to me about who we should track. The only way we could use it was if we both decided on the same person. I can't use it now because I had a person who didn't even care enough to come to the QT so we could use it.

vote : starbuck

please explain why you lurking when last time I post that you and ross hadn't post for days

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It bothers me that he's jumping on me for lurking but I've barely seen him in the thread.

let's just say that I find that you active in other thread and decide to have "vacation extension" here

not saying that you are scum (yet) but wanna know the reason why you lurk...

[Tjoe Min Ja]

whatever, Starbuck...

[Tjoe Min Ja]

Vote: Tjoe

For his lack of scumhunting and distractions.

you are lurking... this is the truth

you post V/LA
-Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:41 pm (V/LA thread) and
-Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:54 am (the "game's thread")

Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:16 pm - was your last post and "puff" you are gone

you make 36 post somewhere else before you finally show up in
Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:53 pm (ONLY 1 post)

DISAPPEAR till night 1

night 1 :
Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:54 pm - Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:36 pm

SURPRISINGLY you ONLINE EVERYDAY

what make me disturbed is your first post ...."Well those are some great results. 3 down. /sigh"
also you DECIDE to make 36 post in that timeframe (5 days) somewhere else while you only make 1 post here

to me it look like a scum way to post V/LA so that they can remain low profile
this is the one that attract me. if you willing to explain more I'll withdraw my vote


nb:btw...all time is GMT+7

[Tjoe Min Ja]

At this point, he's using outside the game influences and not anything that's happened in the game.

okay...I think this may go too far so I won't discuss this again....
but I'll watch you closely

[Tjoe Min Ja]

like I said before I won't discuss it anymore.

if you don't want to play with me...I can understand that and I apologize for ruining the game.

unvote

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@SK :I'm not "lurker conscious" as you think. I did check a little bit all of you but it took many time if I wanna check it throughly

I'm sorry but I didn't live in front of computer. I get online 1-2 times per day, may be 1-2 hours

@starbuck :I live in different timezone. if there aren't people who happen to be online when I login....should I split my post into several post so that I can boost my post count?

in general...this case was made to test everyone's reaction. I wait for a day before I wanna start talking. and I believe some of you already start analizing

DJ and Boxman jump after me and suddenly they pull back after hearing starbuck's explanation.

for now I'm leaning starbuck as town and that would make DJ and boxman scummy for keep hopping on bandwagoning

boxman get extra credit for putting starbuck on L-1 and of course trying to reverse the tide

[Tjoe Min Ja]

^^ interesting.

^^ no. you cannot lay out a "crap" case

you are just following the tide...

vote : DJ

[Tjoe Min Ja]

when did I said that I wanna lynch Starbuck?

you better read it again...

@Starbuck : What I mean is I won't talk about your "post record issue" again
I ask for your explanation and when you give it I consider it "done"
@Spyrex : I'm not manufacturing anything...

now you said that it was "crap"
how about DJ and boxman who seems "interested" and think that it deserve L-2 and L-1?
I'm seeing this in two way :
1. DJ and/or boxman really convinced with my story
2. DJ and/or boxman is scum who wanna get a lynch

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@Jereic : both case are legit and I use them in the same time

[Tjoe Min Ja]

the closest to my role would be "enabler"

[Tjoe Min Ja]

or "inventor"

[Tjoe Min Ja]

inventor suit it better

[Tjoe Min Ja]

8)Quoting the Mod:

DO NOT post anything inside the thread that I tell you through PM or you will be mod-killed.

This means do not quote your role PM, do not comment about your role PM flavor, and do not quote any night action results. A general rule to go by: if I said something you feel should be posted in thread, ask me first!


wanna get me killed, DJ?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

ninja'd.

go ahead and pm the mod. i don't think talking about

whether or not you know what you are handing out

is going to get you modkilled. if you can give things to people then you should be semi-confirmable, no?

unvote

discuss.

it is IN my PM. so the result is pretty clear if I reveal it

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@starbuck : I read mafia wiki trying to figure it out which one suit me better

at first I thought it was enabler but after I read inventor...it is better

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@DJ: I'll have mod answer that...

[Tjoe Min Ja]

^ that's me

let me give you a hint...

ASSUME that there are NO KILLING happen, I'll become VANILLA in 11 days.

I think that should answer the question whether I know or not the item that I give

[Tjoe Min Ja]

there are 1 person (given at night 1) who can confirm that I'm an "inventor"

I know that he/she won't know that I give him/her that item but at least he/she can confirm the existence of an inventor.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

You have *eleven* items to give out? Is that normal? I've never seen an inventor role in a mini with more than 4 items to give away. I'll make answering the question easier though.

@Tjoe- Are you given a description of each item you can give away including what benefit the recipient gets? Or is it just a list of items that you have to guess what it does?

I think he's saying he had 12 items, and gave one out last night. Is that right, Tjoe?

in 11 days mean 11 item. (there are no night 0)

and I'm not stalling....I'm giving the "receiver" some time to think

[Tjoe Min Ja]

EBWOP: Tjoe, if you did hand out something last night, is the person you gave it to still alive?

read ^

a) if you have that many items then you sure as hell should be able to hand out items in the day time. doing this may confirm your role.
it's night role

[Tjoe Min Ja]

Considering the 12-item inventor in a mini opted NOT to even pretend to say who he gave something to (hint: this is stalling) I'm far more baffled by people looking AT this being credible versus those that are calling it what it is.

Further, and I can't even believe I need to explain this, we're looking at a no vanilla setup. Why, in the name of pete, would you need an inventor with 12 items when we already have powers?

Hmmmmm?

Its a mystery.

what power do you have that make you "think" that you don't need my existence?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

I make a mistake in post 468...

"it's night role" is my answer

[Tjoe Min Ja]

considering that I have 11 item (both town and scum will receive)...I think you know the answer

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@Spyrex-478 : I think most people here got a town read on Faraday... who think that Faraday is a scum?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

btw....where is JereiC?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

I have to admit, just by looking at Mordy's posts, I don't have much of a case on him aside from his vote early on and a few things here and there. Other than that, I see him as neutral-town.

SK is a whole other story. Aside from his monster post on faraday, which no one is going to read ever, especially since it is a town read, most of SK's posts are short with some content. Honestly, given the choice between Mordy and SK, I think SK looks scummier.

Vote: Shadow Knight

you don't think DJ scummy?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@SpyerX : what do you think about JereiC?

@JereiC : who is the top 3 suspect scum IYO?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

start talking JereiC....I need more reading from you

[Tjoe Min Ja]

... I'm saying I think you're TOWN starbuck.

RG didn't say a lot. Neither has Jere. I dont like it, but I like other things less.

what do you think about JereiC? TOWN or SCUM?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@SpyreX : lol.....what do you think about JereiC?

can you sort SK, DJ, boxman, Mordys, and JereiC based on their scummy behaviour?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

what's the meaning of that space?

perhaps I'm wrong but did you put DJ in the bottom list?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

I understand, SpyerX

but what make Mordys scummier than DJ?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

I already told afatchic few days ago that I'm going V/LA for almost 2 week but I'm going to catch up in the weekend.

for now...

unvote

vote boxman

I can understand DJ but don't quite sure with boxman's action by placing Starbuck in L-1.

@DJ : doesn't mean dj wagon isn't happening....but I can tell that you are less scummy compared to boxman.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

it's till 23 oct

[Tjoe Min Ja]

lol...SK

as ^ said

what did you do last night?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

lol, Cydonia:P
you give package to JereiC:P
SpyerX, it was supposed to be you:)