Mini 869 - Frat Party Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[BloodCovenent]

/confirmed.

DRK, haha, yea, that would be a surprise.

[BloodCovenent]

^ See, that was definitely a scum response.

Vote: CB

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@Town
Anyone who doesn't vote CB before the game starts is obviously his scumbuddy.

Vote: DRK

For pushing the lynch of someone who has shown nothing scummy.

[BloodCovenent]

We can lynch Biden after we lynch CB, which should be happening

before

the game starts.

Do you have some odd post restriction or win condition, where you have to lynch someone before the game actually starts?

[BloodCovenent]

I have a bad feeling about this.

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Vote: canadianbovine

Why not start with him!

[BloodCovenent]

If you're so suspicious of me, then why don't you vote me?

Unvote
Vote: DeathRowKitty

[BloodCovenent]

CB. Claim or die.

[BloodCovenent]

CB. Claim or die.

Why are you asking this? It's clear you already know he's scum. Nice attempt to try and look town though.

I hope your not serious with all of this.

[BloodCovenent]

There's no wagon on BloodCovenent yet?
But his name is spelled wrong, and he didn't get punished enough for it last game.

vote: BloodCovenent

you are the third vote on me, i believe. GG with the wagons! I'll get it moving then too!

unvote
Vote: BloodCovenent

[BloodCovenent]

A fascinating scum gambit indeed. Trying to distance from yourself?

you make me quiver

[BloodCovenent]

Finally, this is how I like to see scum play. Giving up as soon as they see me on the player list...

I don't even know you!

[BloodCovenent]

Unvote:
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

[BloodCovenent]

Are we really supposed to believe the mod sent you a message about someone else's alignment? I've never heard of that. This is weird.

Then you have obviously not played enough mafia.

I didn't think whoever said that was serious.

even if he is, not gonna quicklynch someone for such a reason.

Scum partner number 1.

Unvote:
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

Why should I follow the advice of a confirmed mafioso?

show me the confirmation. If you were a day cop, and truly investigated me, then you would not be calling me confirmed scum.

[BloodCovenent]

Unvote:
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

Why should I follow the advice of a confirmed mafioso?

Aside from it being my advice, it's common town practice. Welcome to mafiascum.net.

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lol we'll see BC

sounds like a threat.

Are you not willing to vote Nham?

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hmmm, drk, can you confirm that you are being legit and not fuckin around cuz of RVS

dude, quit role fishing.

This post should not be answered, and it is scummy as hell.

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How else is he going to confirm it? Aside from claiming, there is no other way.

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I didn't think whoever said that was serious.

even if he is, not gonna quicklynch someone for such a reason.

So your saying that you're not willing to lynch Nham at all? Gut activated.

I just want to make sure he isn't joking which was the first impression I got.

If he's joking and it's a scum gambit, then it will back fire and get him lynched tomorrow. If it's not, then sweet, we caught our first scum.

show me the confirmation. If you were a day cop, and truly investigated me, then you would not be calling me confirmed scum.

You can look in your own inbox for confirmation.

[BloodCovenent]

Unvote:
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

Wait, you are taking this seriously? So should everyone vote you because Seraphim says you are scum? I sense a contradiction here.

If he's joking and it's a scum gambit, then it will back fire and get him lynched tomorrow. If it's not, then sweet, we caught our first scum.

Two things. Why are you pushing this so hard? And why are you trying to set up a quicklynch for tomorrow?

Why wouldn't I take a guilty result seriously? I don't see how you can compare that situation with sereph's calling me scum.

FoS

for that. I see no contradiction.

Why wouldn't I push for a guilty result lynch? Can you tell me why I shouldn't push for it? As for "setting" up a quick lynch, that's common practice to lynch a fake claiming player. Have you not seen this before in other games?

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Notice I said quicklynch not lynch.

And joking in the sense that he's gonna come back tomorrow all "oh I was clearly just jerking your chain". But yea, if it's not a joke, than Nham is the obvious play.

Lyncher/Traitor are the only roles that where I could see scum pulling a maneuver like this.

Not sure if you guys' normal has roles like that though.

@ first bolded. what are you trying to say here?
@ second bold.

FoS

for suggesting these roles.

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Notice I said quicklynch not lynch.

And joking in the sense that he's gonna come back tomorrow all "oh I was clearly just jerking your chain". But yea, if it's not a joke, than Nham is the obvious play.

Lyncher/Traitor are the only roles that where I could see scum pulling a maneuver like this.

Not sure if you guys' normal has roles like that though.

@ first bolded. what are you trying to say here?
@ second bold.

FoS

for suggesting these roles.

Why are you FoSing him for suggesting those two roles? He's simply looking at a possibility, and double-checking that the town is doing the best possible thing in following that line of action. Do you find that anti-town?

I find that anti-town in the sense that it's

like

giving the implication of a jester. If DRK had truly had a guilty, then Taranski implies that DRK could be a lyncher, or something else, then that attracts the town from the original guilty result, and leads the town to possibly lynch DRK. And it is bad, and very anti-town.

Unvote:
Vote: Taranski

[BloodCovenent]

I see an certain amount of scumminess coming from a few people, but it's still too confusing so say so for sure. I am however, quite happy with my vote sticking on BloodCovenent - even ignoring pre gamestart strangeness: vote-hopping, self voting = not very pro-town.

(btw I love the fact that he got so annoyed that he had to post a picture saying so=)

You think that I am scum because I throw my vote around a lot? And I have ignored my "pre-game strangeness," and my self-voting is not very pro-town. Wow, I think you need to come up with a better case.

-Let me ask you, would you prefer if

I didn't vote anyone?

-The reason why I posted that picture, was because Nacho was on my balls for no reason other than, Sereph thinks i'm scum. And Nacho (i believe) compares it to Sereph having a guilty on me. Which is obviously not the same.
-Have you ever interrupted one of Zazie's rants? If not, then you find one. Her pictures are much worse than mine.

@ first bolded. what are you trying to say here?
@ second bold.

FoS

for suggesting these roles.

That I wouldn't be ok with a quick bandwagon on this guy. Essentially provides us with no discussion d1.
Don't really know what was wrong with the roles.

-even if it provided us with little discussion, it would give us plenty of information for day 2.
- Whats wrong with bringing those roles up? See my below quote.

I find that anti-town in the sense that it's

like

giving the implication of a jester. If DRK had truly had a guilty, then Taranski implies that DRK could be a lyncher,

1. else, then that attracts the town from the original guilty result, and leads the town to possibly lynch DRK.

And it is bad, and very anti-town.

Not sure why you think speculation like this is

very

anti-town.

1. If anything, presenting these ideas would give people more stuff to look at and respond to. Leading us to more reactions and more material we can look to for our lynch.

But all in all, I really don't think that you believed that I was going to lobby for DRK's lynch because I brought up those roles. I can kind of see what you are trying to get at, but it just seems like you are grasping for straws. Also, if we were to quicklynch before nham revealed it was just a ploy to fish reactions, that could have ended up being very bad for us.

-See both things that are bolded #1.
-I can see what your trying to say here.
-And it's not helping your case.
-When a player has a guilty result on anyone, we lynch that guilty, and if that guilty player flips town, then we lynch the person who had the
"claimed information role."
-When people try to stray off of that path, and put pressure on the PR, then it is extremely scummy. That is what you did.

Also, stuff to consider: The reaction to this lil play are clearly semi-dependent on what allignment Nham is. I'm pretty sure scum would respond to this even quite differently if nham was one of them and if he wasn't. I am current brainstorming actions scum would make in both situations.

-Why do you think I find your reaction so interesting?

I'm sure you don't think I would have tried to start lobbying for DRK's lynch if that's where you are going with all this. That would clearly not be the proper play, and is just illogical. I was just reacting to what was happening and brainstorming ways in which scum would possibly do fakeclaim a guilty result knowing the implications. And those are the only 2 I came up with. [Actually just came up with another one but I don't know if i'll get chewed out for presenting this idea too.{Not that this matter's anyways since DRK already confirmed he was just pulling a fast one to get responses. DRK, I think you should of waited longer, especially, if you weren't going to post your reaction findings in the post you revealed that you were doing this. It could have fished out more reactions. But I mean, maybe you thought there was a possibility in nham getting hammered that night iono.}]

-But that's what you were doing by not following him.

As I said before, taking pre-game voting as RVS, BC (not CB) starts by voting BC, then quickly switches to DRK as an OMGUS. Then we have what I can only assume is a joke post

CB. Claim or die.

I'm guessing it was made just to confuse things.

-whats wrong with joking around in the pre game?
-I was not the only one to do so, why are you only pressuring me?
- Please, show me where I OMGUS voted anyone in this game.
-Tell me what is wrong with self-voting at this stage?
-What's wrong with a joke post in the RVS?

We then have the truely weird self vote which is a 101 scumtell! Even if he is town, then by doing this means we have to lynch just b/c he's going to be deliberately confusing.

-How is self voting a scum tell? I would like to know?
-But wait... you just said it's a scum tell? why do you say that I could be town?

FoS

BC then takes a break for a day & comes back in swinging with yet another vote change; but with no reasoning behind it apart from some private form of analysis that he's invented.

-which vote are you talking about here? The Vote on Nham?
-Again, what's wrong with moving my vote?

The last thing that I'm having problems with isn't the challenge:

show me the confirmation. If you were a day cop, and truly investigated me, then you would not be calling me confirmed scum.

but the cat picture response of 'BACDAFUKUP' {lolz}.

What's wrong with that picture, if you're offended then I apologize. Other than that, no one has shown me to confirmation of how I am scum. Until then, Kaboom!

@ BC - can you tell me why have you flipped yr. vote around so much & why did you get so angry @ Nachomamma8??

p.s.

dude, quit role fishing.

you must've forgotten - you've already been doing that yr.self;)

-Again, what's wrong with moving my vote around?
-Not so much angry, just a little annoyed.
-Hmm... you don't see that as role fishing?
-where have i role fished? please point that out for the rest of the town.

Groin makes a really good point in that BloodC was chopping my head off when I asked CRK if he was serious. He immediately accused me of rolefishing even though that was nowhere near my intention. But then he does it even more blatantly to nacho.

vote: bloodcovenant

-Groin never mentioned me being angry at you, and truly I wasn't. I was just pointing out what anti-town behavior you had.
-And yes, you were role fishing, regardless of intention, it occured.
-so you're voting me based on that? Weak. Opportunistic. And scummy.

[BloodCovenent]

Modnote: I just lost The Game.

You're welcome.

what does this mean?

[BloodCovenent]

Not really, catching up now (which is relative). I had a really long, bad, awful weekend. I'm gonna shoot for a post tonight.

and i'm in the middle of a computer class, which ends shortly, but I also have another class right after this, then dinner. Hopefully today though.

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Do you think I was trying to/going to try to lobby for a lynch other than nham?

It wasn't rolefishing child, I was asking him if he was being serious or not. Some how you made that equate to rolefishing, in order to shed a bad light on me. AND at the same time, you asked Nacho to "show [you] the confirmation" of you being scum and then you even go and speculate whether or not he would call you "confirmed scum" if he was the day cop. If anything, this is more a case of role-fishing. And you're being hypocritical for calling me out on it, when you did something much worse. That's why my vote is on you.

Yes, you were voting me at the time. and if you're town, then voting is one of your tools. All votes added up can equal a lynch.

As for rolefishing, yes you were.
- you wanted him to "confirm," whether or not he actually had received a guilty result. If that were a true scenario, you would expect him to claim, or at least give something out that was about his role. And that information isn't necessarily needed to be discussed among the town. The only thing that should occur, is a bandwagon onto said guilty result, and a claim would follow. Maybe depending on the claim, we would lynch the player or not. If that guilty player flipped town, then we would have lynched DRK.
-By asking if he was serious, you would know that he was an information role. And as scum, you know that's bad.


I like to call This post, Baiting, by DRK.
-Before this post, I would have considered your actions as a pro-town gambit. No longer do I.
-You expected me to believe that you were faking?
-That's general town play DRK, you should know this. Lynching the claimed power role, after they put a 'guilty' on a town player. Don't call it scummy. because it's not.
- (2) As I read further down, it looked like you were looking for a quick lynch. If you don't want me to take you seriously, don't post stuff like that.
- So you think that i'm over eager scum now? To come up with an idea to out two scum players? The way that your wording it, would only make sense if the three of us were scum together. I know I'm not scum, but you sir, I believe could be.

Again, ignoring the possibility

I was faking and looking for a quicklynch.

Possible scum slip?

- (1) because he was role fishing, and if you were a power role, unless you wanted to get lynched tonight, you would not have answered.
- (2) you implied it when you said you received a "guilty" result on nham, if you were truly a day cop, i didn't want details divulged.

-Tar said he wasn't going to quick lynch him yes, that's why I asked if he was willing to lynch him at all. It really didn't look like he was going to at all.

-why was I voting Tar, because of the very scummy reactions he gave.

How do you know BC wasn't still joking from the RVS?

-Because I wasn't.
-How else should I have taken a claimed guilty?

Nham

-Show me where I stated that I wanted a quicklynch.
-you give false information saying that I was pushing for a quick lynch here, I never stated that I wanted a quick lynch. Just a lynch. you and Tar are both guilty of this.
-you missed it as a joke? Maybe that's just bad play on your part.

-When a player has a guilty result on anyone, we lynch that guilty, and if that guilty player flips town, then we lynch the person who had the
"claimed information role."
-When people try to stray off of that path, and put pressure on the PR, then it is extremely scummy. That is what you did.

I dislike this display of policy. From the language used here, it seems like BloodCovenent is pushing for a quicklynch of any individual on which there is a guilty investigation. Especially on D1, this robs us of the initial discussion that so often points to the relationships between different players. There is no reason why the town shouldn't at least consider and discuss the lynch before doing it. In my experience, quicklynches favor scum while longer days favor the town. More discussion means more evidence. In the second bullet point, BloodCovenent makes it seem like anyone who does not follow what he calls the "path" is extremely scummy. This type of statement implies to me that BloodCovenent doesn't want individual townies thinking for themselves. For this and other reasons laid out in DeathRowKitty's post 131,

FoS: BloodCovenent

-You dislike that policy? Maybe you should play a few more mafia games. Im just saying.
-I was pushing for a lynch, as was DRK, before he said that he was faking. I was never, once pushing for a quick lynch. you misinterpreted me.
- Please show me where I said we couldn't discuss the lynch candidate.
- Yea.... generally, not following a suggested information role is scummy.

Ok, a lot has happened since last I was here.

104: I don't really consider that rolefishing. Technically, you could argue that it is, but as far as I'm concerned, this post by DRK made me realize he wasn't joking. I don't see how another post by DRK would change that at that point, other than him posting that he was just lying.

-I take it you're not a fan of the lynch all liars policy?

I don't like how quick BC was to believe DRK's claimed guilty. DRK may have been serious, but there's always the possibility he was just trying to get nham lynched! To use DRK's claim as a basis for a lynch this early in the game, especially without waiting for further comment from DRK is beyond scummy.

-Really? I tend to believe most information claims, until lynch results prove that they fake claimed.
-If he was just trying to get Nham lynched, isn't that scummy? Why aren't you voting him?
-How is not waiting beyond scummy. If I hadn't said anything, everyone might have over looked it.

Also, why is it necessary to place an FoS on someone after you've already voted for that person?

I find it odd that DRK came back to shift suspicion from nham to CB simply because he was online and didn't post. It doesn't seem very productive and the FoS he gives in 131 just looks like OMGUS. The points he made on BC feel right, though.

-Because it's still suspicious, and should be noted by all. Why else would anyone put an FoS out?

-In this post DRK, why didn't you list the two theories if BC was town? I think that warrants an

FoS

I'm suspicious of BC because of how quickly he voted for nham. Just because someone's serious doesn't mean you should believe they're telling the truth. I found it hard to believe that DRK was telling the truth, especially because he said he got a PM from the mod, so it was odd to me that BC did.

So wait, because I voted for him Approx 20 minutes after his "claim," that was too quick, even when there are a few posts between my vote for Nham, and DRK's ""Gambit?""
-And you basically avoided most of CB's comments. GG.

Well it obviously seems like BC took what DRK said to be true. So with that in mind, he was right in the idea that we lynch the claimed-scum. But quick-lynching wouldn't have at all been necessary.

What's really scummy about what he did [atleast to me]. Is his case against me. It's like he was desperately just trying to paint me in a bad light. There was no way I was rolefishing, and his accusing me of that is pretty much just bullshit[It's even worse when you consider that he was doing something similar but much worse to Nacho when he tells him to "Show [him] the confirm" and speculates about him being a day cop].

I also don't see how suggesting 2 alternate possibilities as to why DRK may do something like this both anti-town and scummy. He is just grasping for straws and purposely taking every thing I do and twisting and making it seem scummy.

- Read above, I never stated that I wanted to quick lynch, anyone.
-I think you're just angry that I pointed you out.
-That's called confirmation bias, you weren't role fishing because you didn't want to think that you were role fishing.


Really? Really Fhq? I expected a lot more from you.

I think I said this to you before MFB, but maybe you should play some more mafia. Maybe some large games.

[BloodCovenent]

YAYAYAYAYA!!!


oh wait....

[BloodCovenent]

btw, responses coming later tonight (hopefully). I have a really busy day today.

[BloodCovenent]

Taranski looks scummier and scummier. If you were fishing for reactions by bringing up third-party that are unlikey to show up in a game, please analyze these reactions plz. Also, coaching Groiny? Also, following GROINY's lead on BC? Bah.

Woah i doubt I said that my intentions with suggesting those roles were to fish for reactions. My thought on the matter is that suggesting said roles just leads to more discussion and more places where other players have to chip in, which can be evaluated for information later and hence was a pro-town action.

I don't really like this. This type of argument can lead into the WIFOM of trying to look too townie.

Please show me where I said we couldn't discuss the lynch candidate.

I thought it was heavily implied when you said this:

Unvote
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

Your statement of policy here is so strong that I saw it as saying "this is what we need to do, and anyone who doesn't follow me is scum." When you said "very simple solution here", I took that to mean that the solution was so simple that we didn't need to bother discussing it. You didn't actually use the word "quicklynch", but that's what I saw this post as strongly supporting.

You could have voted him, and still discussed the lynch. Good job for looking at all of the possible out comes.

-Also, are you really using semantics?

Wait... Nham, you think that I was faking my reaction to DRK's claim? That's BS.

Again, ignoring the possibility

I was faking and looking for a quicklynch.

Possible scum slip?

Taking out of context?

Really? How so? And why are you defending him?


-Let me get the record straight. Sereph's "claim" or whatever, was not at all in the same league as DRK's.

I didn't think whoever said that was serious.

even if he is, not gonna quicklynch someone for such a reason.

So your saying that you're not willing to lynch Nham at all? Gut activated.

BC, was this a non-RVS post? I don't see nor get the impression that Taranski implies he'll never vote for nhammen.

Everything after DRK's claim of mine was serious. Can you find a post stating that Tar

is

willing to lynch Nham?

I like to call This post, Baiting, by DRK.
-Before this post, I would have considered your actions as a pro-town gambit. No longer do I.
-You expected me to believe that you were faking?


-In this post DRK, why didn't you list the two theories if BC was town? I think that warrants an

FoS

These still need looked at/answered.

-Tar said he wasn't going to quick lynch him yes, that's why I asked if he was willing to lynch him at all. It really didn't look like he was going to at all.

Can you explain what gave you that feeling? That's not the feeling I got at all.

Mostly because I felt that he was trying to derail the wagon that wasn't happening. It would have been one thing if the wagon had developed very fast, but I was the only one that jumped on. Isn't it suspicious that after one player gets on a wagon, Tar gets remotely defensive, and won't vote for suggested player? So, what do you think about the matter? Did you really think that Tar would have voted for Nham?

-I take it you're not a fan of the lynch all liars policy?

I'm not familiar with this policy. Care to enlighten me?

It's rather self explanatory. We Lynch All Liars.

-Really? I tend to believe most information claims, until lynch results prove that they fake claimed.
-If he was just trying to get Nham lynched, isn't that scummy? Why aren't you voting him?
-How is not waiting beyond scummy. If I hadn't said anything, everyone might have over looked it.

-It would be scummy if that was his intention. I'm not voting him because he came clean before anything drastic happened. Right now it looks like his intentions were to get some reactions.

Yea, so when is DRK going to analyze those reactions?

So wait, because I voted for him Approx 20 minutes after his "claim," that was too quick, even when there are a few posts between my vote for Nham, and DRK's ""Gambit?""
-And you basically avoided most of CB's comments. GG.

-It looks like you saw an opportunity and jumped on it.

This is a really bad argument, because i would have done the exact same thing if I had seen it 5 hours later.

The only thing I find scummy about BC is his readiness to believe DRK's claim.

Why do you think that's scummier than BC's rolefishing and his push for a quicklynch?

when did you determine that I was role fishing?

Saber:
-You've got your eye on me for pressuring some one. Wow.
-Last time I checked, moving your vote around a lot is not a scum tell.
-What do you have against Kise, he hasn't done hardly anything?
-So DRK and I are scum together?

Unvote:
Vote: Fhq

-You have severely disappointed me. The last game we played, I remember you more active, interested, and generally pro-town.
-This is mostly gut activated, but what ever.

[BloodCovenent]

Wait... Nham, you think that I was faking my reaction to DRK's claim? That's BS.

Every other player's first reaction so far was to think DRK's claim was a joke. You are the only player that assumed it was real from the start.

Again, ignoring the possibility

I was faking and looking for a quicklynch.

Possible scum slip?

Taking out of context?

Really? How so? And why are you defending him?

I'm not defending him. But you are obviously taking his statement out of context. In its original context, it read like this:
(ignoring the possibility I was faking) and (looking for a quicklynch)
You changed it to this:
ignoring the possibility (I was faking and looking for a quicklynch)

-Let me get the record straight. Sereph's "claim" or whatever, was not at all in the same league as DRK's.

Looked the same to me.

Maybe because I was the first scum thought it would be easy to just attack me then?

And you are defending him, by giving examples of what it truly could have meant. When if fact, it could also be a scum slip, you tend to over look that. Why? Either way, it says that he's looking for a quicklynch. And that's scummy IMO.

Sereph's claim was completely different. How many games have you been in where people say someone is Obvscum in the RVS, and it's taken as a joke, how many games have people claimed to have gotten guilty results on people, when they haven't?

I like to call This post, Baiting,

by DRK.
-Before this post, I would have considered your actions as a pro-town gambit. No longer do I.

That still needs commented on.

This is a really bad argument, because i would have done the exact same thing if I had seen it 5 hours later.

I'd have probably considered it a jump if you had done the exact same thing 5 hours later anyway. It just looks too convenient for you to believe DRK's claim. If DRK had claimed this on a day other than D1, your reaction wouldn't look so bad. I just find it hard to believe any "mod-given" information during D1, unless it comes directly from the mod.

It's interesting that you say that....CONSIDERING THAT HE CLAIMED HE GOT IT FROM THE MOD! jeez...

hmmm, drk, can you confirm that you are being legit and not fuckin around cuz of RVS

dude, quit role fishing.

This post should not be answered, and it is scummy as hell.

This post screams scum to me; it is as if he's trying to stop people from questioning it by making the act of questioning itself scummy; on top of that, it's hypocritical for him to accuse someone of rolefishing when he just got done doing so.

No, at the time I didn't want a cop to reveal too much about his role.

Unvote:
Vote: nhammen

Very simple solution here. We lynch Nham, and if he flips town, then DRK dies. If he flips scum, then DRK is either town, or scum that is willing to lose his partner in a gambit.

We need more votes on Nham. Anyone that does not vote him will be labeled his scumbuddy.

Looking back, I really don't like this post. Mainly for this reason...

Vote: canadianbovine

Obv scum. Seriously, if you're not voting him, you're probably his scumbuddy.

At this point, Seraphim was obviously joking. So, using the same wording as someone who was joking when you apparently weren't is extremely suspicious from where I'm sitting. In fact, it warrants an

Unvote, Vote:Blood Covenent

Nacho, do you see the difference between someone saying XXX is obvscum in the RVS, and someone claiming a guilty result.

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It's interesting that you say that....CONSIDERING THAT HE CLAIMED HE GOT IT FROM THE MOD! jeez...

Right, but he also "didn't know why" he received the information, and it wasn't posted by the mod (like a vote count), only claimed by DRK.

How many games have you seen where the mod says that he gave a result to a player in a mini normal?

what does plurality mean

It means that if we hit deadline, i am lynched.

[BloodCovenent]

I also think it was a nice attempt by seraphim to provide his insight, but overall I kinda think the whole post was scummy, due to textbook rule where I've always heard posting your thoughts for scum to use is anti-town at best.

Come to think about it, HE was the one who asked me for my top 3..

How is asking for a top 3 scummy list anti-town?

[BloodCovenent]

It's not scummy to post your suspicions, but giving your entire thoughts (including town reads) only helps mafia manipulate the game via NKs, etc. They can frame or try to clear a player if they know how everyone feels about each other.

But what I find interesting is that, along with my top 3, Seraphim is joining you all by voting for DRK. I may need to give and/or take a person on/off my list. In a nutshell, I don't think it's wrong to include Seraphim in my suspect list.

you're right that asking for an entire list is scummy. But asking for the top three suspects, is not scummy, imo, it's pro-town. It's getting players to be active, and players that may have been inactive...ah-hem.... to actually come up with a list of players who are scummy, and why.

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I'm not a town power role, but I thinking lynching me is dumb. Thinking that I am scummy because of how i reacted is dumb. Granted, lynching me will yield the most information, but I'd rather not die, since I think I can still help the town.

Plain and simple, I'm vanilla town. Unfortunately, my tools have been ineffective.

[BloodCovenent]

It's not scummy to post your suspicions, but giving your entire thoughts (including town reads) only helps mafia manipulate the game via NKs, etc. They can frame or try to clear a player if they know how everyone feels about each other.

But what I find interesting is that, along with my top 3, Seraphim is joining you all by voting for DRK. I may need to give and/or take a person on/off my list. In a nutshell, I don't think it's wrong to include Seraphim in my suspect list.

you're right that asking for an entire list is scummy. But asking for the top three suspects, is not scummy, imo, it's pro-town. It's getting players to be active, and players that may have been inactive...ah-hem.... to actually come up with a list of players who are scummy, and why.

So Kise, aside from me, who are your top three scummers?

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AtE is not a valid scum-tell. Get your head out of wiki.

My top suspects are.

DeathRowKitty
Taranski
Kise <- Jumping on my wagon at an opportunistic time.
Dragonfly13< - Gut reaction - don't really like
Nachomamma8 <- Iffy on him as well.
fhqwhgads <- Another gut.

Top 5, listed in order.

[BloodCovenent]

whats your case on me again?

our little pissing contest after DRK's fake guilty. I didn't, and still don't like how you responded to everything.

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@Seraph - Right now I don't like canada, BC and fhqwhgads in that order.

Hasn't changed. Everyone voting DRK is suspect.

What makes DRK so obv town to you?

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Kise
- I never said that. I asked why you think that he is so obv town. You obviously think he is town, and obviously don't like anyone on his wagon. I want to know why.

Dragonfly
-We both asked two different questions.
--Fhq asked if Kise knew something he didn't, in a somewhat fishing manor.
---I asked why he thinks DRK is so obv town.

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Fhq asked if Kise knew something he didn't, in a somewhat

fishing

accusing manor.

Fixed that for you.

Maybe... =/

However, i think if DRK flips town, i would lynch Kise, and vice versa.

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I don't like how you're trying to put words in my mouth BC. The only thing that could possibly make me even say DRK is obvtown is the fact I am holding suspicion on others.

If I include DRK into my suspect list, then I may as well find everyone suspicious..

And there is no reason to lynch DRK at the moment. As Nacho said, you blew DRK's cop thing out of proportion and inferred we lynch them all until we caught a liar.

I like it how you somewhat dodged the question. At the bold, it says if you include DRK to your suspect list, does that mean you find him scummy, but don't want to include him in your list? So the only reason why you say people on his wagon are scummy, is because you don't want to call DRK scummy. That's just what i'm getting at. So there really

isn't

a reason why DRK looks like a town player?

-Kise, do you consider DRK's "cop" investigation thing pro-town, or anti-town. Why or why not?

Prodded. Back tomorrow.

Unvote

if my predecessor had a vote down. Still need to finish read.

However, i think if DRK flips town, i would lynch Kise, and vice versa.

This comment is horrendously scummy in a vacuum. I need to see what the heck is going on when I get a chance to read, but lining up lynches based on a town flip is absolutely scummy.

your right, it is, i should have said
"I would vote for kise."

[BloodCovenent]

Kise, do you consider DRK's "cop" investigation thing pro-town, or anti-town. Why or why not?

You seem to have forgotten to include "it's a null tell" as an option...almost as if you're trying to get him to pick a "wrong" answer.

That's funny, because how you reacted to me, i don't find it as a null tell.

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My point isn't what you considered it to be. My point is that you gave him no middle ground (false dichotomy). Regardless of what he picks you can make it look bad (or at least try to). If he says it's anti-town, then you ask why he thinks my voters are suspicious. If he says it's pro-town, you bring up your arguments for why you say it's anti-town. Also, you didn't actually ask about my reaction to your reaction. You asked about my "investigation thing."

Why can't you let him answer, and stop defending him?

And yes I did, I called it baiting, which you have yet to comment on. I pointed out baiting, at least twice, if not three times.

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Plain and simple, I'm vanilla Town.

Just heed my words, DRK is not town.

I like to call This post, Baiting,

by DRK.
-Before this post, I would have considered your actions as a pro-town gambit. No longer do I.

That still needs commented on.

I still think you were baiting. It was extremely scummy for you to do a gambit, then jump on the first player to believe it.

[BloodCovenent]

Bah: Man I love the flavor

Too bad I died from a keg stand

[BloodCovenent]

God Damn Kise, you really are paranoid.

wish i could have stuck around longer.

and it didn't help that the people that reacted the WORST to DRK's retarded gambit, were town.

[BloodCovenent]

/in for next reck modded game.

[BloodCovenent]

i guess i would be willing to back up mod the newbie, if that's allowed.

I mean, for me to do it and all.

[BloodCovenent]

No, i only blindly followed the claim by DRK until he said that he lied. Lynching all liars would have been a great policy lynch then!