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^^ what he said.
vote: boxman
post 23 is a modified piggyback reason of of post 22. during rvs, players "randomly" vote other players, however, the "randomness" of many votes is extremely questionable thus prompting scum players to overcompensate in making absolutely sure that their vote is interpreted as in fact, "random". this is clearly what has happened here and boxman should be lynched forthwith. a similar argument could be brought against doombunny, but by being first, he scores points for originality and should thusly be lynched second, as opposed to first. hm.town 39-32
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excellent response.Boxman wrote:It was semi-random because it's not like a popped out a RNG and used it to get a number - I voted for a reason. A more-or-less random reason, but a reason nonetheless. Hence, semi-random - not completely random.unvote
here was the rest of my post(i withheld it to hear your answer):
mordys 62 is correct.
roleandgarros 58 is nice as well. my vote was meant to be humorous and to further the game. depending on reactions to the case i can now make better assessments of the parties involved.
mordys 56 is also correct.
rvs consists of random or joke votes. my vote was not random. therefore i offered my reasoning and tossed in some humor. my vote was not to "randomly" begin a bandwagon, but to start one in the best place possible. given the information available at the time, boxman seemed the best place to start and i offered my reasoning as to why.starbuck wrote:I really didn't see what don_johnson saw of Boxman. It's supposed to be RVS, so why give a reason at all? I definitely don't like that quick bandwagon.
tjoe 47- the "last" of a list part is what i found comparable. one picked the last on the list, another rewrote the list and chose the last one.
no. incorrect. try again.db wrote: you are saying you are voting him because his vote was random. Correct?
no. not like everyone elses. like each others. i didn't say you "appeared scummy", i simply pointed out that the same argument could be made against you that i pointed out against boxman, however, your vote scored points for originality.db wrote: You also say I appear scummy for voting Tjoe because he was last alphabetically. However, these are all random just like everyone elses.
a random vote, by definition, shouldn't really have a reason.db wrote: For example, Starbuck. She gave no reason for voting Mordy yet you don't find her as acummy as me or box right?
ross' vote seemed like a joke vote. perfectly acceptable in the rvs.db wrote:Also, the reason Ross voted Far_Cry was because Far_Cry and Faraday have similar names and this is not as scummy as me or box how?
odd statement. odd question. how on earth could i have "more reasons" why you and box are scum? this question was asked on page 2. not much to go on. i felt i laid out my reason for the vote rather succinctly. but whatever.db wrote:To me it seems as if your just voting box to be on a bandwagon and not for an actual reason. If you have more reasons why box and I are not scum please tell.town 39-32
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dj's not lurking. he's just been busy. haven't done a thorough read through here, but i agree with the suspicion on starbuck. top of my list is doombunny. they seem too polite, like they're trying real hard to please, but that could simply be overzealous town. i'll update when i can.town 39-32
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animorph: please expand on your FoS on me. as far as i can tell i haven't FoS'd anyone today, but you claim i did. also, please clarify what you disagree with in regards to my definition of "random". as far as i can tell i never posted a "definition", but i would like some clarification from you.
doombunny: i'll post when i get the chance. if anyone has questions for me or wants my opinion on something they can address me directly. references to particular posts help, as i rarely have time to reread large amounts of material.town 39-32
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mostly rl time constraints. also, i try to play differently in each game to a certain extent to avoid "meta" references. but no, no real particular reason. things seem to be humming along without me and the quote walls are a bit over the top.mordys wrote:DJ, you're definitely lurking a lot more this game than the last one we played together (where you were town and IIRC, I was scum). Any particular reason why?town 39-32
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sure. earlier i said this:Faraday wrote: DJ why are you voting Ani atm?
You seem to think Bunny is scum, if I can read correctly. I'm not really seeing much in post 250, either way, could you explain a little more.
250 backs that theory up imo. db seems to be trying to play both sides of the fence with everyone. trying not to step on anyones toes. i don't like it as it seems like an over the top effort to appear "townie".dj wrote:top of my list is doombunny. they seem too polite, like they're trying real hard to please, but that could simply be overzealous town. i'll update when i can.
ani vote is more or less because of his reaction to my "does someone want to garner my vote?" post. i don't think i've played scummy, but the fact that he didn't question me on my motives(as you just have) seemed like a scum reaction.
at this point i am seriously considering switching to doombunny as his play just seems consistently "soft". can't think of a better way to describe it, but he seems to be avoidinganysort of conflict.town 39-32
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an L-1 claim leaves the lynchee vulnerable to quick lynch. it doesn't bother you that a powerrole would be claiming at L-1?Doombunny9 wrote: TBH I don't really care if it's at L-2 or L-1 I would personally like a claim at L-1 though because if someone quickly decides to change their mind (like we had here) then the claim would be a waste.
i think i'd rather lynch db, but if not, do we want a claim?town 39-32
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so animorph may have been scum? that's a bit difficult to fathom here. anyways, i think a reread is in order.
i think starbuck is clear without a counterclaim. do neighbors always come in pairs? i am a bit unfamiliar with the role. i guess i'll wiki it, but i assume its like masons.
starbuck: you said this:
are you saying that he died because he didn't show up, or do you mean it was coincidence? i am lost a bit on the wording.starbuck wrote:We had to decide together who we wanted to track and he never showed up and consequently died, so I lost the ability and am now pretty much just a VT.town 39-32
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whose trying to lynch you? i saw a couple votes, but it doesn't look like anyones pushing...Starbuck wrote:I'm being completely honest because I'm pissed off and I want the town to win. I wanted to be open and honest about everything now so later down the line, it can't be held against me. You guys are going down the wrong track by wanting to lynch me. I'm not scum. If you want to continue pursuing the lynch, so be it, but the scum are just going to be sitting back laughing their asses off.town 39-32
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you mean, "what emotion other than every post i've posted on day 2 which has been packed with the emotion of being pissed off?" you have been nothing but emotion so far since the sunrise. do you really want to continue this argument, or are you willing to accept that don_johnson is the kind of person that just won't let it go when he's right?town 39-32
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flavor generally doesn't indicate anything in these games. that said, there is no reason to press starbuck on the issue. a counterclaim nabs us scum. without one the point is moot.
for shits and giggles, perhaps his phone was full of texts that starbuck sent him and he never returned.town 39-32
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please don't stop including flavor.
vote: Tjoe
obvscum. someone should investigate her. lynching at this point is stupid. her role is as confirmed as it can be, and her alignment can be discovered other ways. continuing to push this angle is distracting from actual scumhunting imo, and the behavior itself should be indicative of lazy scum latching onto the "easy" suspicion.town 39-32
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^^ this is terrible. the existence of one neighbor means the existence of another. a counterclaim debunks her story and we have none.MordyS wrote:I think it's a pretty huge coincidence that Starbuck's partner who stood her up last night (and is, therefore, the only person who could verify or debunk her story) also happened to be a night lynch.
FoS: Mordys
odd. you were doing so well.town 39-32
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unvote, vote SK
yeah, what spyrex said. he's really good at scumhunting. i will be enormously surprised if he survives too many more nights. i don't really get the starbuck/don pairing. she claimed neighbor. theres no reason to be suspicious of that at this point. there are others who are not suspicious of her as well. are they her scumpartners?town 39-32
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if the case spyre stated is bad then defend against it. if there is no case then you should be at least somewhat equally suspicious of him as you are of me.Shadow Knight wrote:at present, I'm liking the don/tjoe pairing. seriously don? you're voting me for no reason beyond "what spyre said". Nice that I have a case I can defend against and all.town 39-32
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i don't know. i haven't checked. it seems like a solid accusation that, if untrue, starbuck could simply explain away and debunk. the fact that she is choosing not to is kind of like what shadowknight seems to be doing with you. i.e. avoiding a pertinent issue. i mean, if somebody said, "hey spyrex, you haven't posted anywhere between x and y," and you had, then you'd just link us to the posts that were between x and y. right? the evidence presented is allegedly tangible.SpyreX wrote:I'm not worried about the outside influences - but IS there 36 posts on site between posts here in this game?
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vote: shadowknight
funny how you comment on the tjoe/starbuck case like you were involved. i think spyrex is voting you, so nice AtE. if you read, you'll see that starbuck was ready to roll over and take a lynch. a little sarcasm and pressure seemed to help get her a bit more involved in her own defense, thus exposing the issues with tjoe's case. you call tjoe's case "crap", but only after starbuck's explanation. if you thought it was crap before, why didn't you say anything?town 39-32
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do you honestly have trouble reading your computer screen? you seem to have a knack for not answering rather direct questions when you post. to reiterate:
dj, aka 'the frog' wrote:funny how you comment on the tjoe/starbuck case like you were involved. i think spyrex is voting you, so nice AtE. if you read, you'll see that starbuck was ready to roll over and take a lynch. a little sarcasm and pressure seemed to help get her a bit more involved in her own defense, thus exposing the issues with tjoe's case. you call tjoe's case "crap", but only after starbuck's explanation.if you thought it was crap before, why didn't you say anything?town 39-32
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try bringing your "big boy" pants, too. when did i say you should be "voting" anyone? all i said is that you were choosing not to respond to his case.Shadow Knight wrote:Are you *seriously* that thick? I wasn't logged on before that point. Tjoe made his full case which consisted entirely of NOTHING at 4:04AM on Friday. I logged in and posted my thoughts on it this morning at 7:51AM. Before he went to the trouble of spelling out how crappy his case was, I was still voting you for the "if you don't like my vote on you, you should defend yourself against the case made by the guy I'm barning, not point out how scummy my barning him is. and you should *definitely* be voting him, not me as I didn't even add anything to it." Anyone else planning to unload crap in here? Just let me know, I'll bring my hip waders and a clothespin for my nose next time I check back.
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maybe you should look. it has nothing to do with voting. its the fact that you are not addressing the point he brought up.Shadow Knight wrote:I'm pretty sure without looking that your comment was about the fact that I voted you, but not Spyre. That translates as you believe I should be voting him as opposed to you, does it not?
mmmm, no. again: maybe you should look.sk wrote:That would be because there is no case. His entire case was that I wasn't providing content and/or scumhunting.
why not post two walls of text? or better yet: why not try and build concise and readable cases against those you believe to be scum? whats going to sway your decision here? are you going to simply choose themore active player so you have more material to slice and dice, or are you going to investigate both players? if you investigate both players, why not post two "walls" on your findings? you seem to be implying that you are simply going to ignore one of us here, and i see no reason for that if you feel both of us are scum.sk wrote:
In the interest of not posting 2 walls of text, I'm trying to figure out which of you I want to put the time and effort into building a case on.town 39-32
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^^ no. you cannot lay out a "crap" case(which is what you are acknowledging it as if you are calling it 'gambit') and then attack your supporters. my vote was clearly to pressure starbuck into answering pertinent questions which you laid out. once answered i removed my vote while she was at L-1 and went back to my previous vote(which, in case you haven't noticed, is vote to pressure shadowknight into answering pertinent questions raised by spyrex.)
FoS Tjoefor the uber scummy backtrack here.
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so what is wrong with other players doing the exact same thing?Tjoe Min Ja wrote:
@Starbuck : What I mean is I won't talk about your "post record issue" again
I ask for your explanation and when you give it I consider it "done"
^^ somewhat of a false dilemma. can't speak for box, but my vote was due to the fact that you presented evidence which starbuck avoided dealing with. when she dealt with it, i removed my vote. if i were scum then why did i remove my vote so quickly? i.e. i could have easily lurked a page or so to see if somebody wanted to hammer, but as soon as i read starbuck's rebuttal i acquiesced.tjoe wrote:now you said that it was "crap"
how about DJ and boxman who seems "interested" and think that it deserve L-2 and L-1?
I'm seeing this in two way :
1. DJ and/or boxman really convinced with my story
2. DJ and/or boxman is scum who wanna get a lynch
unvote, vote: tjoe
how's that for a vote hop?
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faraday: so its scummy to pressure other players to respond to cases brought against them that contain tangible evidence?
you realize that you are now voting for someone who has backed off two wagons that were at L-1?
spyrex: lovin it. i am much surprised that oone is coming forward and acknowledging receipt of an item from our 'inventor". seems silly for him not to have used his ability last night, and if someone is witholding info then they are most likely scum so i see no reason for tjoe to be protecting his target here.town 39-32
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if people are going to hold my voting pattern against me, then it logically follows that my unvoting pattern also be taken into account. i haven't really camped my vote anywhere to threaten lynch until my recent revote of tjoe. i find jere's calling me out for "bandwagon" to be entirely one-sided analysis of my play. do i just come off as scum regardless of how hard i try to help? this is depressing.town 39-32
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this should be good.Shadow Knight wrote:The case on DJ is as follows:
lol. talk about "convoluted".shadowblaster wrote:1- his second post of the game is the 3rd vote on boxman. In that post, he basically barns Mordy whose only reason for voting boxman was "let's get things moving." He then tacks on a convoluted case as to why boxman is scummier than doombunny which reads like scum trying to justify a vote.
i happened to agree with box. this kind of doesn't support your number 1. if i was going to come up with a convoluted justification for a vote, why on earth would i unvote after one question of my own.pieman wrote:2- After letting boxman get interrogated by Faraday and others for a page and a half, Dj comes back and asks him to clarify what he means by semi-random. Boxman answers and DJ comes back to say he finds the answer satisfactory (bosman said it was semi random because he didn't actually use a random number generator).Post just feels weird.After dropping a 3rd vote on someone and actually posting reasons why (meaning it wasn't just a bandwagon-y vote), you unvoted after just one question of your own.
yes. i attend school. the first month was quite busy. any evidence in regards to "dirt"?shadowboxer wrote:3- Disappears for a while, cites school, but pops back in when someone mentions that he's lurking to agree with the case on starbuck and throw some dirt on doombunny.
again, you have this wrong. the case on you was because you avoided your interrogator and instead attacked the captain's parrot.shabaz wrote:4- Disappears again until Spyre shows up and votes me. Asks me who I think is scum. Disappears again until Faraday asks him to update his scum list. Says he will update soon. Disappears *again* until animorph Fos's him. Comes back and asks ani to expand on his FOS reasoning and tells doombunny "i'll post when i get the chance. if anyone has questions for me or wants my opinion on something they can address me directly." Which is now kinda funny as I'm pretty sure part of the case against me is that I didn't comment on some things and had to be asked direct questions.
you are forgetting this:shadowcollegiate wrote:5- Finally shows up again after my wall-o-text and votes.... animorph?dj wrote:ani vote is more or less because of his reaction to my "does someone want to garner my vote?" post. i don't think i've played scummy, but the fact that he didn't question me on my motives(as you just have) seemed like a scum reaction.
shazaam wrote:6- after Spyre says that he things either ani or doom is scum, he posts this: