Mini 857 Disney Movie Mafia 2 - The Classics (Roll Credits)

[curiouskarmadog]

sweet christ...40 pages....hmmmm, dont know when I can get to it...

this is what I would like from everyone...

if you are voting, a quick line or two why you are voting who you are voting...feel free to link me or repost your case.

if you are not voting, a quick line why you are not voting.

if you dont want to do this, explain why you dont and why you think that it is a protown move.

[curiouskarmadog]

going to try to get to this read tonight or tomorrow....40 pages are going to be skim-ish

semi, so obviously your pressure vote is void, because Yank had to be replaced...yet you will keep the "pressure" vote on? In a game with 40 pages in it, you dont find anything scummier, than someone who had to be replaced? Interesting.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok, keeping this running note as I read…
Not sure what “erased” means yet. Going into the read I know that Neopi is a GF. Well god damn, they are not in the players list…who did they replace in for? Fuzzy I think?
First couple of pages is RVS getting shit started..yawn.

Wow, this is so stupid. Monkey has to be scum. Not on the emotional appeals, but refusing to play the game means either scum or horrible town. And I think Monkey is too experienced of a player to do this as town.

this statement is silly? doesnt scum try to be as towny looking as possible? That being said, Monkey’s play is childish…(but it looks like he was indeed town)

chamber is attacking fuzzy, brandi is attacking chamber and defending fuzzy…(we know chamber is town, killed at night?)

Really like chamber’s 186 post.

203, jazz has not done anything in the game, opens with a case on chamber.

Page 13, MM claims….I assume the wagon shall pass.

327, SC votes chamber

331, Fuzzy votes chamber

333, Star votes chamber

353, mod’s vote count, just want the reference on top two wagons.
Starbuck (4) - MonkeyMan576, YankCane151, Crazy, Gorrad
chamber (4) - Jazzmyn, StrangerCoug, fuzzylightning, Starbuck

354, Star claims?

361, chamber votes Star

373, crazy comes of Star’s wagon, reasons based on flavor…blah

375, WTF?!?

Between Starbuck's fakeclaim and me recently seeing Toy Story & Toy Story 2 in 3D, I can't get this scene out of my head:

389, SC unvote chamber, votes Star

WHY IS THERE NO CRAZY WAGON AT THIS POINT?

410, star self votes, not a hammer though, interesting.
413, chamber unvotes star

418, jazz pushes stars wagon with a lynch…Jazz is all types of scummy

439, agree with semi’s scum list (fuzzy, SC, and Jazz). So why does he keep his vote on MM?

448, Neopi, enters game and vote Star…..(this puts Star in my town category)

---wagon develops on Neopi…Star, Semi, chamber

It appears that Neopi is super new…nice..

488,

Ugh, I'd swear SC and Starbuck were scum together if I didn't know better.

(And I never FoSed Gorrad, btw.)

you know better, how?

490, there is nothing I like about Jazz’s post

Wow Star and MM are back and forth for pages.

561, KMD killed? I don’t understand this kill from any perspective. Since the GF was erased Day 2…it has to be a vig or SK…more thoughts on this later.

Too much conversation about flavor and role names.

669, something about the timing of the this question to Neopi sounds town to me…I like his prodding in later posts

732, Jazz is still defending Neopi.

760, neopi claims watcher tracker

875,

Starbuck (3) - Jazzmyn, YankCane151, MonkeyMan576
Neopi (3) - chamber, Starbuck, Crazy
MonkeyMan576 (3) - semioldguy, Neopi, Gorrad

28 hours till deadline.

885, SC votes MM (surprised at the lack of Neopi vote…)

889, MM town lynched.

890, chamber town shot (during the night)

The next day (today) starts.
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Interesting, I know that Neopi is “erased” and flipped GF….so I have that in my favor going into this read.

That being said, here is my list before the start of today.

Scum:

Jazz, this guy has been super scummy all of Day one. His votes and post are pragmatic and his defense of the Mafia GF is horrid.

KK (brandi), lurker, what little she did do I think was scummy

Neutral:

Star, I think his back and forth MM, was two townie bumping heads…I would have put him in the town category, but his “hammer” looks bad. I have done the same maneuver as scum…”accidentally misreading the vote count”.

Gorrad, nothing from him really on Day 1….posting just enough to be overlooked as a lurker.

SC, would have put him in the town category, but his vote ended MM, and I am shocked that he didn’t vote neopi after neo antics….interested to see if anyone asks him about this Day 2.

Semi, going into this read I wanted to find that he was scum….(just from what I read on the current page)…not the case…he did things that were slightly scummish and townish.

Town:[/b]
Crazy, I was back and forth on Crazy during the Day 1 read, the fake claim post almost blew my fucking mind....if I felt that Star was scum, crazy would be there as well, if Star or crazy do flip scum at one point, I will be revisiting this....crazy's play at the end of Day 1 looks town to me.

These will be more finite once I finish the read…will hit tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

meh, trying to read 40 pages of a game...details like gender are lost...I assume you got something else out of my day 1 read through other than I fucked up genders.

[curiouskarmadog]

I counted 3 different posts that he was defending him (or condemning his wagon)...

[curiouskarmadog]

no time to finish reading tonight...will try to hit is monday

also noted in skimming that KK is asking questions of Yank...need to read a little better, bud.

[curiouskarmadog]

no worries...I am still not caught up myself.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey mod, can I request a 2-3 day extension on the deadline..

it falls on a holiday in the US and I know that the 24th and 25th I will be super busy with family up my ass.

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess I do have a question for you, curiouskarmadog..

On your catch-up post you said:

448, Neopi, enters game and vote Star…..(this puts Star in my town category)

How does a super newbscum voting someone make them town? Typically my experience has been that newbscum tend to vote their partner(s) as a sort of clumsy bussing attempt.

just a vibe, I dont think a newbie scum GF coming into a game would vote star like that, putting her at -1...maybe hammer, but not -1 like that, this isnt to say that it doesnt happen, but I doubt it...their interaction doesnt feel like a scum team to me....though it should be noted in my final thoughts for day 1..Star is in my neutral catagory.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok, getting back to this read…post 891, on page 36. As last time, typing as reading.

891, Gorrad steps up with a vote on Neo (scum), as does brandi in 893.

896, neopi erased, woah…that was fast. Vig or SK jumping right to it today.

897, understand Gorrad’s reasoning for voting Yank, but DON’T understand his reasoning for thinking Yank is scummier than Jazz. Later avoids questions, I think it is important and would like to know why.

900, crazy’s vote of SC makes sense…also crazy mimics my questions why yank is scummier than Jazz.

908,

If it's not important, I'm not going to answer. It's not set in stone, and I have one or two reasons I'd rather not spell out at the moment.

dance monkey dance....

Page 37-39

Blah blah blah, too much conversation about V/LA between (Star and brandi)

I disagree with SC, I believe that start does have a case against Star, not sure why you say she didn’t have one….(edit: ok you acknowledge a case in 970)

Also too much conversation about flavor related issues (between Jazz and Crazy, though I agree with Jazz, not sure why Crazy is basing anything from Star’s claim)

That being said, it does look like crazy is scum hunting and is asking good questions.

978, SC’s vote of gorrad looks strange…though I understand the lynching of lurkers…so meh.

Brandi, Yank, semi, and Gorrad are lurking…..that being said, later in game brandi and yank are replaced…

Game stalling.

998,

I see Jazzmyn as the most likely to be town.

bold statement, why?

1021,

Fair enough, I suppose. But I don't think that Gorrad is scum and, as I said previously, scum is just as often found among the most active players as among the least active players so I'm not convinced that this was a valid reason for you to sow suspicion

solely

upon the less active players while ignoring the more active players, who are just as likely to be scum.

not liking this post...not liking the Jazz/gorrad relationship...too much trust between the two of them when they both have been scummy (jazz more so)

1022,

I'm still waiting for a case from you, Jazz.

and there is this.

1038, KK replaces brandi….should be interesting..KK, is not a lurker…

--more game stalling, jesus Christ, this game must be cursed, death and sickness—

1051, I replace in, yay.

--not much happened before I posted my part one of the read…people explaining their votes. I replaced in after KK and have posted more content…boooooo, KK—

1065,

@Everyone else: I will be fully caught up tonight and will post my thoughts, comments, answers to questions, and suspicions then.

Star case?

1069,

Jazz, this guy has been super scummy all of Day one. His votes and post are pragmatic and his defense of the Mafia GF is horrid.

What's wrong with pragmatic posting? Are you sure "pragmatic" is the word you mean?

Looking through his posts, I never saw him defend Neopi. I noticed he was on the fence to the Neopi wagon, which is scummy, though.

always felt pragmatic met opportunistic in all personal motivations. perhaps I am wrong.

1071, Jazz’s case on star.

Jazz has some points (agree with self hammer point), going to have to reread (again) to see if Star actually is attacking those on the MM lynch.

1074, star retorts, going to have to read this exchange again..

--stopping with post numbers, caught up now that you shouldn’t need—

I'm pretty sure if Neopi had a safeclaim of some sort. He would have used it.

good point.

--ok, so here is where I think I stand on people, no this isn’t my pick for a scum team…but people I think are scummy—

Scum:

Jazz, keeping him here for reason I stated for Day 1 and I am also not liking his relationship with Gorrad, something about it is just rubs me odd. Why so much trust?..also interested in see a retorted to Star’s latest posts about you.

Gorrad, getting bumped to scum. No content..coasting the game. statements don’t make sense to me. Trust of jazz don’t make sense, looks more like buddying.

Neutral:

KK(brandi)….moved KK to the neutral category, but still leaning scummy from Brandi…that being said, I like KK read through post, watching him though, to see what he does next….sits and wait?...scum hunts??...lurks?

Star, back and forth where to put her. I almost put her in the town category, but that self votes really bothers me….going to review Jazz’s accusations of Star. Looks like she is scum hunting.

SC, would put him in the town category, if it wasn’t for that vote at the end of the game yesterday…

Semi, no new developments from him today….stays neutral.

Town:

Crazy’s stays town…not liking the conversation about flavor and roles…too much noise based on fluff. Other than that (and things I mentioned from yesterday)…I think he looks town and is actively trying to find scum.

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Would like to hear from gorrad.

Vote most likely will be on Jazz or Gorrad…need to (re)read Star at the beginning of the day.

[curiouskarmadog]

oh I plan on voting...need to reread Jazz's points about Star in the opening of today....if I had to vote right now, I would probably vote jazz....but need to reread it first.....I also dont like Gorrad.

[curiouskarmadog]

posting will be spotty the next couple of days (holiday)

[curiouskarmadog]

holiday is over on the most part should be getting to this today or tomorrow.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am fine with a massclaim,

I also think that our "eraser" is a SK, if I am erased (quickly) for saying that, you should know that due to my role, I am 99% sure I am correct.

Also, Jazz needs to find his way to a rope.

[curiouskarmadog]

I've already claimed and I will reiterate it once more.

Buzz Lightyear, Vanilla Townie.

do I sense hostility? How do we know your role hasnt changed?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think every one should claim, even those who have before.

that being said, I dont think we should claim unless everyone is for it....if they are not, I would like to know why.

[curiouskarmadog]

I've already claimed and I will reiterate it once more.

Buzz Lightyear, Vanilla Townie.

do I sense hostility? How do we know your role hasnt changed?

What hostility? You are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here.

I was reiterating it to bring it up to this page.

comments, like "Ive already claimed" and "once more" dont seem "put off" to you?...not saying it is scummy, but it is hostile, you still disagree?

and I will claim next.....

I am Simba, The Lion King.

I am also a progessive townie.

Day 1, I was a cub, vanilla.

N1 I was something called a compulsive commuter, any role that targetted me would fail.

D2, I became a Vig, that could target the following night.....

this is why I think that our eraser is a SK.

n2, I targetted SC, because his ass was on two townie lynches.

today, I am king of the land....thats right I am a double voter.

so to prove this..

vote Jazz

I will remove the vote after a vote count...I would like to hear all the claims first before sticking to a vote.


speaking of Jazz...claim next.

[curiouskarmadog]

@curiouskarmadog
If you are a double voter, please remove your vote for now. It'd be too easy for a scum quick lynch otherwise, especially if we do have three of them.

(double posting in part to allow for the next page so LlamaFluff can make the vote count and so you can then unvote)

I dont see any harm in this....you will see if I am or not by the end of the day....

unvote

in reference to the flavor...I have it everyday....you want me to paraphrase it all?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote.

[curiouskarmadog]

Yes, I'd be in support of hearing each separate flavor.

ok paraphrased..

D1, cub waiting to be king. Learning shit through song and friends. Have no worries. Though these invaders, need to be dealt with. vanilla, role may change.

N1, running from problems will help (sarcasm), should try anyway...if I run no one can reach me. Role may change.

D2, I am back. Lion style vengence. Role may change.

today, i am the king. comes with perks. everyone has more respect for me now. what I say carries more weight...twice as much. role may change.

[curiouskarmadog]

my vote is not reflected in the "not voting"

[curiouskarmadog]

hmmm, as, I think Jazz is scum, I dont want others to post before him, helping his claim.....I choice still stands....but we can talk about other things, no reason for the game to stall.

[curiouskarmadog]

"...my choice still..."

[curiouskarmadog]

comments, like "Ive already claimed" and "once more" dont seem "put off" to you?...not saying it is scummy, but it is hostile, you still disagree?

I do still disagree. I was one of 3 people who claimed Day 1. I reiterated because we have replacements (like yourself) who weren't around then, and I wanted it to be made known that I have claimed already. The people who have been here since the start of the game know that I have claimed. It was more as a reminder for you guys as replacements. I wasn't being hostile at all. You are the one who is trying to paint me as being hostile when I'm not trying to be so.

just so we have something to talk about, while waiting on jazz's claim and answers for to questions..

why would I want to paint you as hostile? What would be my devious motivation? I have already stated it wasnt particularly scummy....you are talking to a guy that has been lynched more times than not for being "over defensive", "overly aggressive" or being "too emotional" (thus the title).

I read your (re)claim as being hostile, I dont know if your role has changed or not. My changes regularly. All KK did was nominate you to go first for the popcorn....I think that statments like "once more" implies that you think people have not read the game....which is untrue, thus why I said something....rubbed me wrong. Now you say that it was for those replacements, that I guess you assumed didnt read the game...which I guess is a fair statement, but I listed an in depth review of the game, so you should know I read it and KK was the one who asked you beause you have "already claimed". What replacement in particular was it directed at?

[curiouskarmadog]

You had 40 something pages to read. You definitely could have missed where I claimed. This isn't as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.

FOS: curiouskarmadog

For making mountains out of mole hills and overreacting to things that shoudn't be overreacted to

first of all, I am not making anything out of anything...you are. I have said twice now that being hostile isnt scummy, but

you

apparently refuse to read that....now that

is

scummy.

so I ask you questions, and instead of answering them, you OMGUS FOS me? that too is scummy.

354, Star claims?

so i assume you read my post, and "again" your should know that I knew about you claim..so how about you answer my questions now and quit trying to side step them with a FOS..please.

please dont avoid my questions again.

How is me calling you hostile, but not scummy......scummy? I actually didnt think the post was that scummy....just merely said it rubbed me wrong....but

you

want to make something out of it.

what are my devious plans for calling you hostile?

also, who was the "hostile" post directed at? KK mentioned that you claimed and I mentioned that you claimed. You say you said it because of the replacements...who?

and a couple new questions.

why didnt you answer my questions the first time?

Why just an FOS, if you think I am scummy, why not a vote?...

lets review my "scummy" post again.

I've already claimed and I will reiterate it once more.

Buzz Lightyear, Vanilla Townie.

do I sense hostility? How do we know your role hasnt changed?

all you had to say was, "no, my role hasnt changed"...instead, you want to put my question in a bad light, but saying "I am making a mountian out of a mole hill"...which was bullshit...I wasnt...I just wanted to know where all the attitude was coming from.

[curiouskarmadog]

I never said that you did miss it. Also, you aren't the only replacement, so why are you trying to act like my reiteration was just for you personally when it wasn't? The others COULD have missed it or had forgotten by the time they got through 40 pages. I only was trying to help by reminding that I have already claimed, but you want to make this into a huge deal when it really is not.

I only commented on the attitude…I have even said that the act itself wasn’t scummy, BUT YOU, keep saying I am misrepresenting you….how exactly am I doing that?

1. You said you read me as being hostile and I told you that it wasn't my intention and I've repeated that multiple times and you still keep trying to paint me in that light. I never said that you calling me "hostile, but not scummy" was scummy. What I said that was scummy about you was that you were overreacting and misrepresenting me.

I don't know what your devious plans could be. I'm not inside your head nor do I know your alignment. Since I do not know your alignment and the fact that you are attacking me over something so small. You could be scum trying to coerce a quicklynch by doing just what you are doing.

How am I misrepresenting you? You were hostile or at the very least annoyed. I said the act itself wasn’t scummy, but you keep saying I am trying to paint you scummy (in regards to the comment)..and I am not. Again, what I find scummy, is the fact you have OMGUS Fos over it. And in regards to the quicklynch…..if anyone tried to quick lynch you over this alone, that would be suspect. So that is the best you could come up with? I might be trying to quick lynch you? If I was trying to speed through the day I would have chosen someone else to claim next…If I was trying to speed through the day, I would have left my double vote on…If I was trying to speed through the day, I would mention that you have been on one townie lynch and heavily pushed the other……HOWEVER, I don’t think you are mafia, because of your interaction with the Mafia GF…..if you are anything scum like, you are the SK…and I have my doubts. I am curious how far you really want to push this.

I merely only wanted to remind everyone that I had already claimed.

Now if you just had said this…we wouldn’t been going around in circles right now. Instead, you chose to attack me when all I was doing was asking a question.

@
So can we get back on track now? Jazz is V/LA. So in the mean time, I feel that you need to pick someone else who isn't V/LA to claim next to keep the game moving. I know what you said in 1186, but I really feel that is a cop out and that we need to keep things moving.

Lol, who is trying to speed along the day now?(joking). No….you chose me to claim next and this is popcorn. I think Jazz is probably scum and I don’t want him getting anymore information than needed for his claim.

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The claims isn’t the only thing we could be talking about. There is always the WIFOM conversation of why scum decided to off SC. I know why I did, but I don’t think I understand the motivation behind scum doing it…

[curiouskarmadog]

At least I made an attempt to not lynch a power role, you posted that you were fine with Gorrad's lynch.

for the record, I was fine with the Gorrad lynch too...I was about a page or so behind when he was lynched, but before that, I felt he was being scummy.

[curiouskarmadog]

reading SC in iso, he looks scummy...I dont understand why. the only other pressure he was throwing heat on was Jazz.....but there were others in the thread that were throwing more heat than SC at jazz.

maybe scum is looking for the Eraser (SK?).

[curiouskarmadog]

mass prod huh?...does look like star and I are the only ones chatting..

sorry to stall out the game I guess, but I really want Jazz to claim next.

that doesnt mean we have to stop talking.

[curiouskarmadog]

if star is anything I am betting the eraser (SK?)....a vanilla claim does not do anything for her either way.

[curiouskarmadog]

a full massclaim, is a full claim....what is your ability and who did you use it on? was it a one shot or permanant ability?

if jazz is telling the truth, gorrad should have targetted someone else...when claiming, if anyone else was targetted by gorrad please speak up....

I have some issue with this claim, but will explain why later (need to see other claims first).

[curiouskarmadog]

I have some issue with this claim, but will explain why later (need to see other claims first).

welllll....now that I am rereading, part of this may pan out....also, what night did Gorrad target you?

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, no more claiming UNTIL jazz finishes his full claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

well, i am thinking that she might be telling the truth about gorrad giving her an ability...but that doesnt have anything to do with her alignment...I have seen games where townies that give abilities, can give abilities to scum.

but, I need to post (and think)when I havent been drinking....

[curiouskarmadog]

anyway, KK you are up...full claim please.

[curiouskarmadog]

wow, so KK and I are the only claimed power roles (left)...interesting...have a feeling this doesnt bode well for me tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

in reference to KK's claim, Brandi does come out voting Neo, Day 2....anyway, i gots to sleep...I need to really go over this with a clear head.

[curiouskarmadog]

in reference to KK's claim, Brandi does come out voting Neo, Day 2....anyway, i gots to sleep...I need to really go over this with a clear head.

Why couldn't she have been bussing?

It's really easy for KK to say that even if that didn't happen.

i have wirtten you off as mafia, because of your interaction with Neo....should I take that back too? Of course, anything is possible...but I think it is doubtful.


also, KK, I am not a vig anymore...just the double voter.

[curiouskarmadog]

in reference to KK's claim, Brandi does come out voting Neo, Day 2....anyway, i gots to sleep...I need to really go over this with a clear head.

Why couldn't she have been bussing?

It's really easy for KK to say that even if that didn't happen.

i have wirtten you off as mafia, because of your interaction with Neo....should I take that back too? Of course, anything is possible...but I think it is doubtful.


also, KK, I am not a vig anymore...just the double voter.

So if you have written me off as scum, why are you not voting for me?

I have no clue what you are saying here...but this might help

1.) mafia can be scum, but not all the times scum is mafia...all I said is I have written you off as mafia, but you still can be the SK (in my mind).

2.) "written you off" means "taking off the list"...meaning, I dont think you are mafia.

that being said, the question still stands.

I have "taking you off the list" for being mafia, should I reconsider? Couldnt your interaction with Neo be a distancing manvuer?

[curiouskarmadog]

got to do some rereading.

[curiouskarmadog]

if jazz is telling the truth, gorrad should have targetted someone else...when claiming, if anyone else was targetted by gorrad please speak up....

Only if Gorrad had a Night 0 action, since he targeted me on Night 1 and was lynched on Day 2. This seems unlikely, unless game moderators give players secret Night 0 actions in games with a Day 1 start??

ahhh, you are right here...so gorrad only targetted you...or only had a chance to target you. The only thing your claim does is confirm gorrad's target. It says nothing about your alignment..Jazz your thoughts?

this being said, I need to reread how gorrad's lynch went down...I do remember Jazz trying to defend him, but rather late.

I also think that if I am not erased today, that I will be killed tonight. I am also concerned that the only provable claim in this game is my own. Kind of wishing we had not of mass claimed now...thought there would be more.

also, note to the SK, you better start worry about hitting mafia, because if you want a chance to win this game, you need to take them out. If there is a 3 man team, you are quickly going to get over whelmed.

[curiouskarmadog]

god dammit...I was right about Jazz....should have killed him instead of SC.

crazy killing me then claiming I dont understand AT ALL.

[curiouskarmadog]

so the mass claim killed us (town)..or at least didnt help

[curiouskarmadog]

dammit after my first read through the game...this was my scum list.

I NEED TO ALWAYS GO WITH MY GUT..ALWAYS.

Scum:

Jazz, this guy has been super scummy all of Day one. His votes and post are pragmatic and his defense of the Mafia GF is horrid.

KK (brandi), lurker, what little she did do I think was scummy

[curiouskarmadog]

wait, that being said, I also had crazy as the only one who was town...

screw my gut.