<[M191]> GM1: Gaian Alliance <[Game Over]>
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Well, so far nobody has really said much of anything. It's just been votes. Some people must know some things, as we've already had a night. (Thinking out loud, which I have a tendency to do). Right now my vote will have to be on this here smiley: ^4
We only had one night kill, so I think that there's either just one mafia group, or a mafia group and an SKer-
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Lubabah, are you having trouble with posting as well? I think I've got your name down now (=B
I am going to keep my vote on you for now. Based on what comes up I may change this vote.
This is the first game that I've played here, however, I find it to be rude and unsporting to day one lynch (or night kill) the same person in multiple games.-
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Lubabah, are you having trouble with posting as well? I think I've got your name down now (=B
I am going to keep my vote on you for now. Based on what comes up I may change this vote.
This is the first game that I've played here, however, I find it to be rude and unsporting to day one lynch (or night kill) the same person in multiple games.-
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To be perfectly honest, I read "names that clear them" as "names that would logically make one seem innocent or guilty".Yosarian2 wrote:
In context, it is quite evident that I meant "names that clear them".
It is not "quite evident" that that's what you meant; the first time I saw your post, I was under the impression as well that you were saying you don't have a name
For instance, if somebody role-claims as Hades, I will automatically be prejudiced against them simply based on negative connotations with the name.
I agree with most of your points in Post 44. I do find the nit-picking over that one quote to be excessive.
Right now I am tempted to change my vote to Fuldu.-
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To be perfectly honest, I read "names that clear them" as "names that would logically make one seem innocent or guilty".Yosarian2 wrote:
In context, it is quite evident that I meant "names that clear them".
It is not "quite evident" that that's what you meant; the first time I saw your post, I was under the impression as well that you were saying you don't have a name
For instance, if somebody role-claims as Hades, I will automatically be prejudiced against them simply based on negative connotations with the name.
I agree with most of your points in Post 44. I do find the nit-picking over that one quote to be excessive.
Right now I am tempted to change my vote to Fuldu.-
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Hades was on the side of Zues. I was just trying to give a name with negative connotations, which is what I believe puzzle was talking about.BabyJesus wrote:
I have a hunch that is a mistake...wasn't Hades traditionally on the side of Zeus, not the Titans in greek mythology? If there is a Hades, I's be inclined to think he is good...Lauritz Melchior wrote:Lauritz Melchior wrote:
For instance, if somebody role-claims as Hades, I will automatically be prejudiced against them simply based on negative connotations with the name.
Maybe a better example: let's say we weren't doing the Gaian Alliance. If somebody role-claimed as Vito Corleone, then that name would have a scummy connotation.
Hades was a poor example on my part.-
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This is only my first game here, so I can't speak about the traditions on this board. However, it seems to me that twisting words would be something that someone with an agenda in this game would do. While everybody has an agenda (town wants to win, mafia want to win, etc.), mafia, lynchers, and SKers seem like the only ones who would want to twist words around. Townies wouldn't want to cloud the truth, but rather to discover the truth.Yosarian2 wrote:Still, it seems to me that twisting words or taking quotes out of context is in general a respected tradition around here : have a look at the games I'm currently playing in if you want an idea...
Then again, as I previously stated, I don't know your playing style.-
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Hehe, that's pretty amusing (=B
It was an honest mistake.
So, this is how I should have quoted it:
Puzzle and not Yosarian wrote:Still, it seems to me that twisting words or taking quotes out of context is in general a respected tradition around here : have a look at the games I'm currently playing in if you want an idea...-
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I am personally opposed to mass-role-claiming early on in themed games just to root out who is scum and who isn't. I feel that this takes away some of the fun of the game. I have no problem with role-claiming when you're about to be lynched, but a pre-meditated, day-one, mass-role-claim isn't to my liking.
I may be the only one here who feels that way, and if that's the case then I'll just go along with a role-claim.
My thoughts on this game: Kronos and Atlas are scum in this game. They are members of "The Gaian Alliance".
PBuG wrote:
Many of her children, including Kronos, Atlas, and others, known as the Gaian Alliance, massacred the planet Earth
From this, I think that it's fair to assume that some of the scum are in fact children of Gaia (Kronos). We already have Uranus dead, Gaia's husband (innocent). PBuG also mentions Atlas as a member of the Gaian Allaince, but he was a Titan. This confuses me a bit, because PBuG says, "Many of her children, including Kronos, Atlas, and others". This seems to put Atlas as one of her children. He probably just meant that Atlas was also a member of the Gaian alliance, along with some of her children.
A thought: Atlas holds the world (Gaia) on his shoulders.
Nothing is spared the ravages of time (Kronos).
Perhaps there is some logic behind who is scum and who is not. However, I mention this just as a suggestion. I think that I'm stretching a bit when I mention the above relation between Kronos and Gaia.-
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But what if you're scum? Then you role-claim and pick a fellow scum to claim next until townies are the last to role-claim.Puzzle wrote:In order to foil scums' attempts to claim among the last, I'd suggest the following :
- I name-claim first (and even full-claim if necessary but remain the only one)
- then, I choose who name-claims next
- this person name-claims
- then, this person chooses who name-claims next
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Wouldn't the fairest method be to go in alphabetical order?
However, I am still opposed to role-claiming this early. Even to name-claiming.-
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Okay, I see your point. That makes sense.
Fuldu: I cannot find anything amiss in my post, and I certainly don't hold anything against you. If I had mod powers then I'd be screwing up left and right
Anyhow, I ended up getting all of my information off of the net. You seem to know a lot about mythology, so I'll take back my comment about Atlas not being a Gaian. However, I do think that it's fair to assume that Atlas and Kronos are in the game. Both were mentioned in the first post, as well as Ouranos who we know was playing. At that, Gaia might be playing as well.-
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Regarding Puzzle's claim, I still don't know what to believe. I remember some mention of "a child of Nyx" much earlier on in the thread, however, I was negligent and did not look for it. I've been reading and making my own observations, but I don't want to mention them today.
As far as my vote on Lubabah, I will say that I am usually very hesitant about voting. I'm often the last, or one of the last, to cast my vote. My early vote on Lubabah was not random. I had a reason for voting for him. No suspicions, but I had a reason. I am not allowed to tell you more, though.-
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Why are people suddenly going after Lubabah?
I have a feeling that he is innocent, or at least not mafia. He could be an SKer, but I don't think that he's mafia, based on my reason for voting for him (which I explained through circumlocution in post 185).
I could be wrong about this, but I don't think that he's mafia.-
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I'd assume that Ares is bad as he's the god of war.
Lubabah, if you didn't understand, I did not vote for you a the beginning to start a bandwagon on you. I cannot explain myself very clearly regarding this situation, however, please note post 218.
Lubabah, I have nothing against you. In fact, I assume that you are a townie, or at least not a mafia member, because of myreasonfor voting for you. I tried to stop a bandwagon that was starting against you, explicitly saying that I thought that you were a townie. Your hunch is ill-placed. Then again, I have my hunches as well and who knows how right they are.-
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I'm a bit confused as well, but I think that Ares used an ability on Lubabah to make him vote for somebody, but it didn't work.Puzzle wrote:I understand that Lauritz was targetted by an effect forcing him to vote Lubabah. I understand that Lubabah received a PM from PBuG (officially confirmed by PBuG) saying that Ares's power made Lauritz vote for him.
I'm confused as to why it didn't work. Maybe Lubabah has some sort of protection or something. PBuG confirmed that he was targetted by Ares.Lubabah wrote:Alright, during the night i recieved kind of like a vote-change ability (im kind of confused) but it didnt work because i'm a townie. It said that either it was from ares, or it was his "powers". Because of this, I believe Ares is good, but i may be wrong.
PBuG wrote:Lubabah... You aren't supposed to say you had to vote for that person because of someone else. I won't kill you because I forgot to say so, but for future reference, DON'T.
I'm guessing that there are two people with vote changing powers and that one is pro-town, and the other is scum.
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I'm a little bit suspicious of d_rouge.
At the beginning of the game he random voted for Lubabah.
I then voted Lubabah because of myreason.
Throughout this entire game, d_rouge has not removed his vote from Lubabah.
I've been suspicious of him this entire day because of his vote and his very few posts.
Something about this quote is scummy to me. He posts to say that he is keeping his vote on Lubabah, and that neither Lubabah nor myself are cleared by our claims (and technically we aren't). However, because of myd_rouge wrote:As for Lubalah, I'm not that sure that he's clear just because someone was forced to vote for him (if we believe what Lauritz Melchior said): there's just too many possibilities out there; as it is, I'm fine with my vote.reason, Lubabah is cleared in my mind. Also because of myreason, I find d_rouge suspicious.
If there are two people with powers that force people to vote a certain way during the day, and if one you is pro-town, be very careful about using your ability.
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Based on PBuG's third post, I believe that Gaia is in this game, as well as Kronus and Atlas (as scum). Ouranos (who we know was in this game) helped Gaia to project her image. I'm also guessing that Hades is in this game, and is maybe scum. Why? The Gaian Alliance "made a blood pact involving something with the River Styx". Of course, this doesn't necessarily make Hades scum. Anyhow, to summarize, these are people who I think are in this game.
Gaia - town
Kronus - scum
Atlas - scum
Ouranos - town (dead)
Hades - scum?
Oceanus - scum? (because Ouranos was drowned)
Poseidon - scum? (because Ouranos was drowned)
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The second post of this game was by d_rouge who voted for Lubabah. He is yet to change that vote.
I later voted for Lubabah.
Puzzle has role-claimed as Mnemosyne. I think that he found Zeus during night one.
Having already role-claimed, this early post of his backs up his claim.Puzzle wrote:I don't have much to interpret but I think that some names are pretty clear by definition (Zeus, Gaia,...). I'm sure Zeus is in there, but I'm less about Gaia. I also don't think that we will have that many players with clear names though.
The crap-logic arguments were based on different interpretations of Puzzle's post. I don't think that either Baby Jesus or Fuldu are scum. BJ used crap-logic to vote for Puzzle. Fuldu argued against it. Puzzle then voted BJ for "putting words in his mouth".
I think that all three of them are innocent, and were arguing among themselves while scum sat back and watched. I think that StD was saying the same thing in post 27.
Back to the summary. Yosarian then FoSd Lubabah, Fuldu, and Puzzle because they voted for BJ "like they were looking for an easy lynch target". Yosarian votes for Fuldu. BJ then role-claims as "Hypnos - the god of sleep", a role-blocker of sorts. d_rouge calls BJs claim premature. Puzzle soon unvotes BJ because he always be confirmed as a role-blocker. Puzzle votes Yosarian for stopping a bandwagon too early. Yosarian comments on Puzzle's "why stop a starting bandwagon" comment, asking "why are you disagreeing with the Fuldu bandwagon when there are only 3 votes on him". Yosarian says that Puzzle is contradicting himself.
That's only page two and I'm tired of doing this summary already. I'll probably finish it up later, but have it be much less detailed and more easy to read.-
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I personally think that Yosarian and d_rouge are acting pretty scummy. d_rouge has been on Lubabah since the beginning, always saying that he's "happy with his vote", even when there was nothing against Lubabah. Why would it matter if the attempted vote manipulation failed or not?
Something doesn't sound right about him admitting to something that the mod later confirmed?d_rouge wrote:There's something about the way Lubalah admitted he was targeted by a vote changing ability that doesn't sound right to me. I also don't get why such an ability wouldn't work on a townie.
And regarding why it wouldn't work on him, I have no idea, but that certainly doesn't make him a townie as Yosarian seems to think.
This, combined with the fact that Yosarian thinks that Ares is pro-town, and his "generally scummy behaviour" are enough to make Yosarian vote for Lubabah.Yosarian wrote:That's a good point...why would a townie be immune to a vote-manipulation ability?
We've had two people so far claim to having been targetted by vote manipulation. Let's assume that one of these "vote manipulators" is pro-town, and that the other is scum. One manipulator targets Lubabah, and one forces another player to vote for Lubabah. Perhaps the one who targetted Lubabah is pro-town and foolishly used his/her ability. Then the other manipulator is scum, and forced a vote on Lubabah. Therefore, Lubabah would be pro-town. In the other situation, Ares is scum and targetted Lubabah (but failed). Because Ares targetted Lubabah, Lubabah is therefore not scum.
Lubabah is one away from a lynch, and I think that we have much better candidates for today's lynch.
Big FoS on d_rouge and Yosarianfor using crap logic to try to get Lubabah lynched.-
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In reading your post I realize that I made a mistake in my post.
I meant to say that it doesn't make him a bad guy.me wrote: And regarding why it wouldn't work on him, I have no idea, but that certainly doesn't make him a townie as Yosarian seems to think.
I originally thought that he was innocent because of myYosarian wrote:It sounds like you've been defending him and assuming he's a good guy ever since he claimed his vote was manipulated because your vote was manipulated as wellreasonfor voting for him (which is the same reason that I consider d_rouge to be scummy I have nothing incriminating against him other than the fact that he's posted very few times in this game and that he was the first to vote for Lubabah and has stuck with that vote. It's a hunch). Now that he's claimed to have been targetted by a Vote Manipulator, his being targettedcombinedwith my reason make him seem innocent to me.
I don't think that he is innocent because he claims that his vote was manipulated, but rather because of myreasonfor voting for him. That reason is the same reason that I consider d_rouge to be scummy (I have nothing incriminating against him other than the fact that he's posted very few times in this game and that he was the first to vote for Lubabah and has stuck with that vote. It's a hunch).
Yosarian, in reading your post I'm thinking that it's less and less likely that you are scum. I still think that d_rouge is our best choice for a lynch.
I also agree that Lubabah's posts make him look suspcious. I guess I'm still just stuck on the fact that I'm voting for him, and therefore think that he's innocent (out of context that sounds pretty funny).
Let me try to explain my logic as to why I think that Lubabah is innocent (ignoring his scummy sounding posts). I'm assuming that there are two Vote Manipulators out there. One is a good guy, and the other is a bad guy. One targets Lubabah and one targets Mr. X forcing Mr. X to vote for Lubabah. Regardless of which is the good guy and which is the bad guy, the fact that Mr. X was forced to target Lubabah (by good or bad Manipulator), and that Lubabah was targetted by another Vote Manipulator leaves Lubabah innocent in my eyes. If he were simply targetted, that would not make him appear innocent to me. Because he was targetted and another player was forced to vote for him, however, I think that he's innocent.
No.BabyJesus wrote:Is it possible BOTH were targetted by the same player - Ares? Ares/god of war - may have the power to make two people vote in a certain way (for each other?) to stir up trouble....-
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As random as it sounds, it does matter. Unfortunately, it won't give me as much info as I'd like, but his response will help me decide on my night choice (yes, I do have a night choice). Now that I think of it, however, it won't make too much of a difference, because I'd look pretty scummy in his eyes because of my defence of Lubabah.
I think that I can explain myself pretty well tomorrow, regardless of the hole that I've dug.
Bah. I'm a bit confused now.-
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I'm surprised at there being three kills. One SKer, one mafia, one trigger happy vig. And I'm apparently not suspicious anymore? I'm thankful for that, but a little surprised. Regarding Ares scummitude, I kind of think that he is scum. Also, I think that d_rouge makes a good point when he says that
. I assume that Fuldu was a traitor, and the fact that he voted for Lubabah (scum) is significant. So maybe BJ and Puzzle are the two remaining scum.d_rouge wrote:it's important to remark that the three people Fuldu voted for are BJ, Puzzle and Lubalah.
I assume that BJ is the one who put SapphireVerde to sleep. However, that could easily be a scum role. Putting someone to sleep would certainly be helpful for scum. Also, I don't find it too suspicious that we have Thanatos and Hades. I have a role similar to one already claimed/known.
I think that the best clue that we have so far is Fuldu's votes on Lubabah, Puzzle, and BJ. This doesn't account for the SKer, unfortunately.
FoS BJ and Puzzle
If both are scum, and BJ is Hypnos, then he could use his ability to give mafia the advantage. However, if he is not scum, then he could use his ability to the town's advantage. I'll assume that he's scum, though, andvote: BJ-
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I am Poseidon, vigilante. I can only kill on even numbered nights. I killed Fuldu last night, thinking that he was scum. You'll notice that in one of my earlier posts, I mentioned Oceanus and Poseidon as possible scum, when nobody else had even thought about Poseidon. I did not kill on the first night, and I cannot kill tonight. Fuldu was stabbed three times because I stabbed him with my Trident.-
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I was originally thinking that there was an ability-stealer (user, rather. i.e. targets me, uses my ability on somebody else) because Ouranos was drowned. I mentioned Poseidon as a possible scum so as to appear to be impartial.Yosarian wrote:I'm not sure I understand...if you are Poseidon, then why did you say that Poseidon might be scum?
Also, why did you suddenly claim to have a night action in twilight yesterday? I understand that you would want to gain information before you used your ability, but I don't see how revealing your role would gain you information; if you are a good guy, weren't you worried that revealing that you had a night action would get you killed by the scum?
I foolishly claimed to have a night-action last night. I figured that I was already suspicious enough to avoid being night killed. However, revealing that I had a night action was stupid. I originally thought that d_rouge's response could potentially make me change my night choice. However, I later realized that I was suspicious looking, regardless.
I did that to appear impartial. To not imply that I was the vig, because it had been suggested that I should not claim. However, I claimed once I was asked to. Me talking about the vig as though I were not him was an attempt at distancing my posts from being the vig. Regardless, I later role-claimed. I am not the SKer. I am the vig.Phoebus wrote:'m ready to vote lauritz now.
Especially for this comment:
Wtf?I'm surprised at there being three kills. One SKer, one mafia, one trigger happy vig. And I'm apparently not suspicious anymore? I'm thankful for that, but a little surprised.
Don't play with fire. You'll get burned. Actually, given your role, you'll go up in smoke.
He talks about a trigger happy vig and goes on to claim to be that vig?
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Before making my night choice, I looked over Fuldu's earlier posts. I saw a connection between him and Lubabah. I was looking over yesterday's posts to see who looked the most suspicious in light of Lubabah's guilt. That person was Fuldu (though I certainly looked pretty suspicious).
Do you think that Poseidon and Oceanus would both be scum? If that were the case, then you might as well make it Water vs. town. We have the Thanatos + Hades duo where Hades is innocent and Thanatos is presumably scum. Why not Oceanus + Poseidon?.
I have not lied at all in this thread. In some posts I tried to disassociate myself with the vig, but I later claimed vig.-
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Lauritz Melchior Goon
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Lauritz Melchior Goon
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- Posts: 133
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- Location: Georgia
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Lauritz Melchior Goon
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- Posts: 133
- Joined: May 7, 2005
- Location: Georgia
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Lauritz Melchior Goon
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- Posts: 133
- Joined: May 7, 2005
- Location: Georgia
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