Mini 914 ~ Mafia Reverberation (Game Over!)
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Yea Porkens is WAYYYY offbase in his vote.
From the fires of heaven, I claim with the majesty of a thousand suns:
Incantum Zombie Murderer: VP Baltar
My dark red majesty will not be caught in your web of delicious SK lies this time.
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That said, I think with a little bit of coordination this voting mechanic definitely can allow for some beautiful shenanigans. Theoretically, with a little bit of effort, we can lynch multiple people each day - AND, if someone screws it up they're dead to rights the next day.
Of course, this can't be used later barring madness. Only early and/or after series of events come that cause a confirmed town block of even a marginal size to win.
However, the more important thing is that we can lynch scummy players all willy nilly. No picking and choosing.
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Jah's got it.
I'm TOTALLY gonna be that guy too: There's no fighting between "ohh snap X is lurking" and "ohh double snap Y is scummy" - they both dangle.
Although, it doesn't have to be L-1. Theoretically we could lynch 12 people if we wanted day 1.-
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If its done early enough (and definitely not in that quantity) and people are paying attention near deadline any movement towards a swap can be dealt with.
Even without confirmed town utilizing this for 2-4 lynches instead of one has some advantages (even with, of course, the fact that if we frak up then game-set-match for scum MUCH quicker)-
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Well maybe if someone hadn't opted to davinci code his results from touching the zombie murderer we wouldn't have BEEN in that situation now would we.
Course a massclaim right now could solve that...right?-
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Assume the worst, plan for the best.
At minimum the ability to pressure lurkers and/or situations where we would want multiple people lynched and not having to him and haw about order is very nice.-
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Yes, this kind of setup really makes wagon analysis...different. It's still there and there are patterns but normal analysis gets chunked a little bit.
Realistically this puts the weight of the win in towns hands.-
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Under the assumptions of: only 12 votes in play and the other theoretical alignments not being there (lyncher, etc) if there was someone who was SUPER TOWN (TM) and the votes spread on the other 11 it would require:
1.) someone putting a second vote on lynching someone and sparing everyone else.
2.) two scum voting the super town TM sparing everyone else.
I can't think of a scenario offhand where if it was that spread out where the scum could swap it for a win though.
Of course, that whole idea is boiling down to "pick a dude, hope their town, win" which is kinda scary.
I'm 100% behind multiple lynches though.-
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Well this game is sure off to a slow start.
While I don't mind preaching caution, to a degree, overall 51 gets me a little - probably because of its focus on the megapurge (which I highly doubt would happen regardless).
I'm firmly of the opinion that utilizing at least 2 lynches is going to be far more beneficial in most situations than a single and am expecting that to be the course.
What?Porkens wrote: I thought that SpyreX's response to 46 had a tone of "I know what your suggesting won't work, but go ahead and run around in circles 'till you figure it out on your own...meantime I'll be over here doing my own thing."
I'm saying in theory with just A confirmed town a megapurge could work but, due to factors such as the above and the simple fact that scum would weasel somehow at least one member alive, it gets a little tricky.
However, if later we see a block of "more than lylo" "confirmed" (I'd say 4, just to account for an NK) then hells yes I could see doing a purge of the leftovers.-
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Color me confused - why would you worry about attacks versus, ya know, finding scum?Orbots wrote: A consequence of that is that we're more open to attacks (i.e. attacks on either of our reasoning at any time) but that's a tradeoff we're willing to make.
Sure there is a bit of a issue with handling differentiating opinions when running a hydra but the idea of that being a high concern is just flabbergasting.
Unvote, Vote: Mighty Orbots
Ohh snap I'm doin stuff-
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Its the fact that is the area of consequence you are focusing on that rubs me the wrong way. Maybe,@SpyreX, the advantages to the hydra with regards to finding scum are that we've got two different lines of reasoning that we know that we can rely on. The disadvantage that comes into play from having that going on publicly is that we will be more open to attacks. I think that's what I said in my previous post. It's curious that you're focusing on the acknowledged consequence rather than the benefits that were mentioned and that you're interpreting what I said with my last sentence to be an indication that I find it to be a topic of high concern.maybe, its a simple difference in approach but running a hydra as town I wouldn't ever worry about opening up for attacks.
As scum? Hell yea.
Of course, I wouldn't say that as scum so... ?
I'm making a note of it for now.
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But, because its time to shake the dew off this lilly:
Incantum Cowardice: Sotty
And, for a little more of that black magic:
Incantum Nocturne Deus: Sotty
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I've just always wanted an excuse to use that line and it worked so perfectly here that I just haadddd to do it.
Even if its not the "right" move at this point.
However, perhaps the rats will a scurry forth and speak. Or be smote.-
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I thought about that VP annnd well:
See, helping the reporter if one exists doesn't hurt me. Its dealing with those light side namby pambies that is the big one.(W) Win Condition. You win when all other factions have left the game and one person who shares this Win Condition is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Basically, helping them EARLY works out a-ok because they win, tighten the scum pool, etc. Its gonna be if we wait until late when helping them with no scum left means a loss.
So, yea. Not too worried about it.
Of course, powerful wizards aren't worried about much.-
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I'm reading that as if the only two factions remaining are Town / Reporter well, yea, the Reporter is boned.However, if your removal from the game would cause the Dark Win Condition to be fulfilled, you will exit the game and lose.
However, if the Reporter completes their wincon while the town wincon still isn't completed, free game.-
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Not to dance on the upcoming wall of fighting but....
what attention on me?
If anything this game has been fairly blaze. Thats why I had to pull out the necronomicon, afterall.-
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To be fair, I -did- think about doing it to Rhinox or (as the great comedy option) Porkens as well.
Sotty was just a bit off - I don't mind questions, but those early posts weren't giving me those sweet home vibes. And, really, this Porkens-gate is a hoot and a half and I still can't figure out what Sotty is goin on about.
So, its not quitteeee "lol, reactions" but I've opted to chill a bit more this game than the last few where I've played like los garbageos.
So, a pinch of reactions, a dash of giggles and a spoonful of gut is all a POWERFUL WIZARD needs.-
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Less of a "Lets help the hypothetical reporter win!" and more of a "If they exist and we CAN help them win while doing the important stuff, no sweat off my back".Well, we win without them winning and if you're going down the road of "reveal roles to get the reporter out of the game" then you're going to end up forcing many more claims to acheive that because we don't even know what a hypothetical reporter would need to exit the game.
In general when there are third parties I can work WITH versus worrying about working against I prefer the former. (Although, realistically, with the number of players and the number of factions I wouldn't lose sleep over the possibility of a reporter - in fact, I think I'd prefer a reporter / town / scum setup over the others by a decent margin).
Beautiful, captivating zombies created from the loving hands of DGB that make one lose sight of everything else.... mmm....zombies.'cept zombies.
More lynchable by one. I mean, my other vote can move around AND as we sit the Purge threshold is so high that, honestly, if that vote becomes a rationale for a wagon that means either a.) Sotty continues down the madness hole and needs to be lynched anyways or b.) we lollygagged SO MUCH that the threshold got that low which would make a POWERFUL WIZARD cry tears of blood.Spy, don't you think it would have been better to place your double vote after you had a more solid read that just gut? I mean, for all intents and purposes that single vote makes Sotty much more lynchable than anyone else for the rest of this phase.-
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You better not be scammin' me AGAIN this game I swear to god. Bein' all reasonable and stuff.
It was impetuous - like I said, gut, giggles and reactions.
Although, maybe this will help me be a helper with getting more people lynched.
See, thats what POWERFUL WIZARDS do. They are helpers.-
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To be fair I totally would pull A stunt as scum or third party.
However, a couple questions for one Juls:
1.) If my nefarious scheme was to setup for a "hey lets pick a small group and kill the rest day 1":
--- Why would I blow my cover this early?
--- How would using a doublevote to push it up help? I'd have to get myself in a position where I was one of the cool kids, time it close enough to lynch that I didn't get busted AND blow enough smoke that leaving 3 people left would be A-Ok.
2.) If you are certain Rhinox is scum via :vomit: meta... why in the name of pete are you voting for me?-
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Except for I am encouraging multiple lynches - not a mass lynch at this point. IF we end up with a "confirmed" block that's a different story.Juls wrote:Spy, I am not voting Rhinox on meta because I will try to get more evidence of the same before doing so. The reason I voted for you (and to answer your question) is that you were encouraging the plan to mass lynch. If I were a doublevoter and town were considering this. I wouldn't "out" myself and say "wait wait...double voter" but I also wouldn't encourage it. I would probably skirt the issue and give it little to no credence.
And, in the scenario layed out if thats before lylo all I'm doing is guaranteeing my lynch the next day. POWERFUL WIZARDS know better than that.
Its on the front page, sheeeeshhhh. But, just to be clear that secret vote stays there this incantation. My other vote is free to move.Rhinox wrote:Spy, is your double vote passive or active? I.E. do you always double vote, or can you control both votes independantly, change them whenever you like, and apply them to different players?-
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To be quasi-fair it WAS in response to a prod as per the mod.
That doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't cry if we double string them up.
All in all I'd like to see some more chatter before the purge number starts driving US versus the other way around.
While I am pro-Jah's lurker callout in general I get that itchy feeling since it was laid out as more than a simple callout but didn't have its buddy a vote attached. Which, unless I'm missing something, is still sitting on a random.-
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POWERFUL WIZARDS are above things like choice or apathy.
We just have blood lust.
Its a little from column a, little from b. I'm not sold on the whole SC / Porkens are scummm business.
However, this zoraster wagon while starting on the right feet seems to be pushing under its own weight and that bothers me.-
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I don't know why this is driving me nuts but it sure as hell is at this point:
The idea of a mass-purge (more than 2-4 lynches) is, was, and will be theory talk. I don't expect it to happen. I dontwantit to happen.
Unless we run into, like I said:
My heckles are arisen. POWERFUL WIZARDS aren't ones to have heckles raised without dire consequences.A POWERFUL WIZARD wrote: However, if later we see a block of "more than lylo" "confirmed" (I'd say 4, just to account for an NK) then hells yes I could see doing a purge of the leftovers.
No, BC and Zor. As in the "haha, look we voted a lurker and they showed up muahahaha" vibe I was expecting. I was just clarifying as a wink and a nudge that there was a prod that may have influenced it.Hero wrote: Did you mean VP and Zoraster? This seems like an out-of-nowhere comment.
However, even with the above watchin them dangle wouldn't bother me.
I may be misreading the Porkens part, but she's been pretty clear on SpyreX = town, SC = scum.Hero wrote:I think it was SC / Spy scummm.
But, so it goes.
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Ready for an interesting revelation?
If we see a scum doublevoter I'd put hard money on one of, if not both, Sotty and Zoraster are scum.
Why that is I'll leave up to the mysteries of space and time.
But, lets play lynchin' time!
I would lynch the following as of this point
Zoraster
Jazzmyn
Sotty
Rhinox
I absolutely would not lynch today:
Mighty Orbots
Porkens
SC
Maybe later I'll clear up the series of questions that should spawn.-
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I like this.Jah wrote:So by that logic, Sotty's above reaction was fishy, and you wouldn't argue against a Sotty wagon. Except you did when it happened.
Sotty looks hypocritical and scummy here.
Well, yea. Of course that indecision is on the townside but.Hero wrote: That's not how I understand what she's been saying. At the beginning, she thought Serial was trying to deflect attention away from you, his buddy. Since then she's "not sold on Spy being scum", which I interpret as indecision.
Ready for this?Badspellerbots wrote:OH GRATE POWRFUL WIZERD SPRYEX
What happened between these posts?
Nothing. :O
The wagon bothers me. However, the play also bothers me.
When in doubt, let God (OR POWERFUL WIZARDS) sort it out.
Yes and no.Hero wrote: Rhinox may have a decent point about purging multiple people simultaneously. But I don't think that the advantages of single-purging outweigh allowing the scum one kill per purged person, assuming the scum can kill.
And as far as town PR's go, keep in mind that Vi is the mod. If there's a cop, the entire scumteam could be investigation-immune.
Multiple lynches, again, put the weight in the town hands. Not the PR's, not the scum, just flat out good ol fashioned scumhunting.
As long as there are multiple people that need a ropin', I am totally for multiple people getting a ropin'. Day 1 or Day 10000.-
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It's not really a "make up mind" kind of thing.So what happens when POWERFUL WIZARDS can't seem to make up their minds?
I don't like the shape of the wagon.
I don't like the play of the player.
The first could be a million things that don't make the player not scum for it.-
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I guess I'm retarded. I blame the lack of sleep. Some work days I swear.
I thought that it was lynch all THREE of them, which makes sense to me.
The vote and wanting them cross-voting? No that doesn't make as much sense.-
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Yes I am fully aware of the difference.
However, when you've approached this from an informational aspect as part of the argument that has to be addressed. Especially the "helpful to the town" business.
As for the vigil is 100% aspect - this falls apart on both sides:
1.) You're claiming a vigilante kill is not influenced by the game as a whole via the whole "little chance of being driven by scum".
2.) You're claiming that a vote, somehow, is inherently more manipulated. The same argument that applies to the vigilante being 100% town to themselves applies to my vote(s) being 100% town.
However, my biggest issue with this condemnation (aside from the whole self-serving side) is the fact that I can't wrap my head around what new mysterious powers to manipulate a lynch scum possess with multiple lynches versus a single one.
If anything, the fact that multiple lynches CAN occur is a town gain - competing wagons can be analyzed simultaneously versus allowing for two night kills to garner the same amount of data.
Then there is the added variables of "what do I do when my scum-bro is up for lynch" aspect. With the knowledge that, like I said early, being on a scum-lynching wagon isn't going to be as many near town points the bussing is less useful... but consistently pushing other canidates STILL will make you look bad overall. So, there is more indecision and room for error when the simple fact is the majority can eat the manipulations versus allowing another day to pass is A++ awesome.
And, if the final piece is that multiple lynches increases the overall value of a single vote well... good. Simple statistics again says that favors the town.-
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And, again, a lynch based on more than "me too" has about as little chance of being driven by scum.zor wrote:If you quote me, please quote me correctly. I said, "little chance of ultimately being driven by scum."
The ultimate decision to lynch is not necessarily in a townies hands. The ultimate decision to shoot someone as a vigil is. Yes, a vigil might be influenced by scum to shoot incorrectly. But that ultimate decision is not made by the scum.
As for the ultimate decision to lynch not being in a townies hands? What?
The majority of any lynch is townies. The collective ability to move their votes IS just as much of a decision as would be me pulling my proverbial trigger.
Yea I'd pick the dayvig.zor wrote:I think the point above addresses this pretty well, but suffice it to say there is a definite difference between being the sole arbiter of who gets shot and being one of 3 or 4 people who are deciding to lynch someone.
Put yourself in a hypothetical: it's lylo and you could either have the normal lynch situation OR you could have a dayvig as one of the townies. Which do you pick? If you decide anything other than dayvig, you're out of your mind.
No, that doesn't really alter anything we're talking about. Be it a dayvig shot or a lynch in that scenario the game ends on a miss.
Oddly enough :gasp: the multiple lynches could be used to really push that forward much like now.
More lynches and more room for manipulating this mechanic creates more variables scum have to worry about. Its not a bus/distance mechanic.zor wrote: I'm afraid I didn't understand this point. Can you clarify?
Things like "Ohh, hey, if we all crosslynch each other except for X and if X is town then we win" don't happen in a normal day-night progression. Things like that, while being the real outlier case, are scary as hell for scum.
The fact that lurking becomes a much less viable tactic because at any point its easy enough to go "hell, lets take em all out" is scary for scum.
These are good things.
Well, yea? Everything about this does that. Every day we don't get a lynch and the threshold lowers that happens. I'm pretty sure I said that the wagon analysis this game was bonked due to this.zor wrote:It increases the power of a single vote, but it decreases the interpretive power of each lynch.
I'm really not sure what you're aiming at here but if the goal is to lynch scum multiple lynches (raw statistics aside) have a better chance to lynch scum. (again, to that penultimate "lynch everyone but X, if someone votes for X, lynch the person that voted him, repeat ad infinum" setup). Also note, if at any point this game somehow we end up with some confirmeds yes I'll damn well push for a purge of everyone else including myself.zor wrote:Let me ask you this hypothetical (I know I'm going hypo heavy today, but whatever): Let's say we were playing a nightless game. Which would be more likely to lynch scum: each lynch sequentially or combining lynches? What are all of the reasons this is true?
I know that hypothetical is not analogous (a scum kill coming in between each is of utmost importance), but it does serve to examine some of the hidden principles underlying this idea of combined lynches.
What is this hidden principle? I'm absolutely missing what you're aiming for. Give a tired, tired brother some bullet points on what the secret POWERFUL WIZARD conspiracy is.
on the flip side:
I'd push for three, I'm fine with two. The argument of the night-variable does a lot more for me than the information/?? is.VP wrote:I am of the pretty strong opinion that we should not purge more than two players, at least for the first phase. Not knowing what will happen in the night phase is a big variable that I would like to see before we push more purges than that at a time.
That being said, zor's argument against it is silly. Zor, what do you think the probability is that scum could influence multiple purges effectively this early in the game when they are so strongly out numbered? My guess is that if the town gets at least on a somewhat correct path for day 1 (ie purging at least one scum), the other scums would have a hard time dealing with the situation in a way that did not make them stand out.
My dealio is the reactions to what happened. The reflective SC is scum and was doing that to push a wagon off me (but I'm townish?) still makes my teeth itch.VP wrote:Going to start looking at the sotty case now, but I'd still like someone on the wagon who is around to help me understand the arguments better.
HOWEVER, shocking revelation, if it looks like we're only getting two (wussies) I could see shifting for a day...maybe.-
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Now, THIS stunt I have pulled before as scum. (zor, not Jah)Jah wrote:I think the part of the zoraster case I originally liked is too dependent on intangibles, like his internet access and time spent on modding. His offer to be lynched, instead of lynching him and another person, also gives me pause. It sounds pro-town.
Even so, it does give me some pause, but not enough to really worry TOO much about it.-
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While I dig the dance, the tune is out of sorts. Allow me to play a hipper melody.VP wrote:I still do not understand this. At the time of your double vote she had said almost nothing other than questioning Serial about "why porkens". Had it been after her whole theory about you two being scumbuddies (but not really!) I could see your reasoning. As it is though, this seems like a bit of revisionism, which I hate.
*end momentary side track*
Before my votes, there was that little itch like thus:
Enough for a POWERFUL WIZARD to unleash the darkest magics and see where it went via my giggles, guts, reactions vibe.Basically there is no excuse for lurking in this game. Not that there should be lurking in any game, but there you go.With a game this complex it is good to get some level of understanding at the start. But still I think we should be careful about letting this become all about the set up and not about the actual game itself.
With that said, Juls, why did you incant Rhinox when we know he is V/LA?Serial, why Porkens out of everyone?
As far as multiple purges go I think we have to be careful but I wouldn't be against purging two people at first and see where that gets us.
What happened after the fact was a wall of "well, that was a good idea SpyreX high fives all around"
That said, I'm gonna just go ahead a post some things. Guess who they're about and what we should do about it. Bonus points if you can guess what is missing.
Time keeps on slippin....I also like - very much - that the Game Mod frowns upon lurking and that the game has a relatively short activity requirement, as I really dislike lurkers and would change the site-wide mindset about not lynching lurkers if it was up to me. I am of the view that lurkers suck the life out of games and that the mindset against lynching lurkers gives far too much opportunity to scum to fly under the radar. So, I am hoping that this game, with its short activity requirements and its being non-friendly to replacements, will encourage everyone to participate actively and regularly.Also, I can't make much sense out of the Sotty7 wagon being as large as it is. She seems to be one of the more active players so far, and I don't see anything with her posts/scumhunting. There isn't much to go on yet, but at least she's actively hunting, which is something I personally find difficult in the early stages of a game, so I'm not going to criticize her for it.I do not yet have any really solid bases for great suspicion so far, but I also don't expect to get any really solid bases for great suspicion on Day 1. That said, I'm getting bad vibes from zoraster, BloodCovenent, and Mighty Orbots, but it's nearly all based on "gut" rather than on substantive evidence. I'm also suspicious of those on the Sotty wagon because I just don't see any legitimate cause for it. Her posts have not been scummy and her wagon looks contrived to me.Again, my apologies, but I will get back into it in full swing this weekend.
However, I will give that the *mysterious stranger* is mos def not scum with Sotty. That, if scum machinated, is a hand-wringing ohh snap I didn't lynch that townie dance versus anything fancy.-
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I bolded the important.Hero wrote:@Spyrex:
For the beginning of 231, I see what you quoted from Sotty as including two good questions thatcouldopen lines of scumhunting. If there's something suspicious in there, I don't see it.
For the stuff toward the end of 231, I was going to wait and see what happened "this weekend." The mysterious stranger has escaped most of my commenting, but not my attention.
There is a fine line between "useful scumhunting" and "saying non-offensive platitudes to appear to be scumhunting".
That was the initial itch. The after-vote stuff is very much more clean cut.
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Wow, that there done be some words.Jazz wrote:I don't understand why he would absolutely not lynch MO, Porkens or SC today.
This part I'll address specifically though.
MO isn't amount the M (Zor) but the O that I like. Something about the style seems mellow versus faked mellow at this point and the ability to jump right into the fire goes far for me with a day 1.
SC, realistically, pushing a decent push as a slam dunk that early with the high probability of backfiring doesn't strike me as a scum machination. Additionally, pushing the game forward when with a decreasing purge number being a nice bottle for the proverbial scum teat is a OK.
Porkens is the easiest. A POWERFUL WIZARD knows that unless he's playin' me like a pro that whole "Prove to me that you might not be town, sucker!" discussion makes about no sense unless one was going to think that both Porkens AND I were scum together. Which, as I am made from the purest black magics and awesome, we know isn't true thusly..
Jazz's wall o' texts needs some parsing but that's something. We'll see if it stays that way.
Yours were all I were really interested in at that point? The others are moot until there's a flip.Sotty wrote:Spy this is the third time I am going to have to ask you, but what reactions out side of my own did you get from your double vote on me? You said that you did it partly for reactions, so what happened? Please stop ignoring me Sad
I really didn't think / meant to ignore that question though, ma bad.
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Woosh.So, when I logged on, I was thinking about incanting Serial, since he's inactive and unhelpful. And VP's incantation made me like the idea even better, since two incantations is more pressure than one. But I feel like Porkens is at least as deserving of a vote from me here as Serial.-
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Kinda, I'm talking about this interplay:Hero wrote:Um, what? Are you taking the line "fess up" in Porken's early vote seriously? Or the part where he asked you for an example of you "pulling a stunt" as scum? I think you're using wishful thinking if you see that as a town tell.
Porkens: SpyreX is town, he wouldn't pull a stunt like that as scum.
SpyreX: Nah, I totally would do that either way.
Porkens: Do it. Prove to me you aren't town because of that.
Now, why in pete would scum want me to prove that I was scum?
I'd have to vehemently disagree right thar'. I missed this before, but yea. Intentional lurking is bad news bears.SC wrote:I'm not sure why I should move my vote off Sotty, to be honest. I haven't commented on zoraster because I think it's a wagon based on very little (intentional lurkingis barely a scumtell). Sotty didn't answer the strong point about her conflicting views at all well.
The scum teat is the fact that an apathetic town leads to a lower number necessary for a lynch - which lets wackier hijinks happen. Anything that is actively trying to push things forward in a direction versus stagnation in the early phase is a slight town tell. Of course, if Sotty flips scum its a bit more. If Sotty flips a scum PR its pretty much slam dunk.Jah wrote: Wait, what is the scum teat in this analogy? Late incantations? Is this a town tell on SC, or a byproduct?
I did forget about the lyncher but would you show your whole hand for half the cards necessary for the win?Jah wrote: I've actually been looking at SC as a possible lyncher.
Hmm, perhaps with the vehement desire to get you lynched?Sotty wrote: Please explain with examples, how has Serial been pushing the game forward.-
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This post really, really gives me that itch.Hero wrote:I (still) think the wagon on Sotty is weak, but I'm confounded by the players voting her. SC and Spy seem to be tunneling hard on the basis of things I don't think suggest a scum alignment. If either SC or Spyrex is town, and Sotty is too, I demand at least the right to say "I told you so" in the postgame.
I'm tempted to analyze her wagon (and those not on it) in more depth, but if she ends up purged, it might be better to wait until we've seen her flip.
Maybe its the suggestion of me tunnelling.
Maybe its the I told you so.
Maybe, maybe, its the statement that he's going to analyze the wagon when...he just did since SC and I are the only ones on it.
Maybe its all three.
Maybe I can't decide who to lynch.
Maybe you have a point.Sotty wrote:Which was followed by a complete fall of the face of the earth until he started getting votes.
Maybe you're exaggerating "falling off the face of the earth" to the point where your point bothers me.
Maybe the amount of time he was gone at maximum (3 days) was one whole day more than yours around the same time.
Maybe I like saying maybe.
Maybe we should be lynching some suckers instead of apathy wagons becoming the lynches.
Maybe if that happens I'll do everything in my power to power-lynch the people not on these wagons or taking concrete stances.
Maybe I still would like to see Sotty, Zor and Rhinox lynched.-
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I don't think there is a difference in power; check the OP after modifications to some roles.
That said I still don't like the dance, but it makes senseish.
I'm still not down with SC though. And still not Porkens.
Zor the magnificent and probably a Rhino would be where I'd go.
Since I can't vote for Zor right now,
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I am a POWERFUL WIZARD, not some namby pamby DARE Officer.
If "legit" reasons are more than just a gut feel, no. However, meta is delicious and all but I'm pretty sure its got too many carcinogens in it for me.
I'm willing to take the tsk,tsk if he gets lynched as scum but, no, not buying it. Especially if we're looking at only two today.-
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From my inklin' I doubt that is the case.MO wrote:So we have a doublevoter and a one-shot doublevoter?
I'm not voting for Zor because I'm not pushing a wagon ahead when its team apathy hooo.-
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Overall?
It meshes. It explains some of that weirdness with the "if more doublevoters come out, then SpyreX isn't clearrred" business.
And some other things that POWERFUL WIZARDS know make me think that its a-ok.
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Meta?
I'm sorry, I can't do that Dave.
However, dancing aside I do agree with what Nik says. Jazz exploded with posts and then vanished again. Rhinox, well.
And I'm not vinegary, sheesh. POWERFUL WIZARDS exist outside the realm of normal taste-descriptors.-
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I'm still not down with the SC a danglin'.
Zor, V/LA or no, has done little.
Jazz, much like I expected, went back to nothingland after the wallposts.
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The details fit in such a way that if you think I'm town (AND A POWERFUL WIZARD) Sotty deserves some lee-way.
That said, maybe I've had a bit too much to drink and its got my cackles a risen' and its time to lay down THE LAW.
We need to get on the ball. We're already down to less than it would take for a normal wagon and as things sit we're not going to get moving in the right way.
I'd bet CASH MONEY that within the subset of (Zor, Rhinox, Jazz) there is at least a scum. Maybe more.
Ideally, even though you all pish posh, all three of these would happen. Two damn well should.
Make it so. I'm tired of the apathy and the lurking in this game.
Spice it up with a rope or three.-
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This. Really read this. Then, lynch Rhinox.Rhinox wrote:My vote is on porkens, so that is your answer. Overall, I don't like porkens' apathy and willingness to lynch anybody without really giving reasons. nikanor is an improvement over nacho in terms of activity, and at least seems to be scum hunting. What I don't like is his appeal to his scum hunting history in order to support his cases, i.e. "I've only ever called people scum like this 4 other times and they were scum then so they're scum now". If his cases were strong, he wouldn't need his scum hunting history to support them. Its not enough for me to want to see him purged though - I'd rather let nacho return so I can actually get some answers to the questions I asked.
I could see mayyybe a SC-Reporter (thats way better than the lyncher line ps) but if that's the case who cares?
I'm gettin all itchy at any "ohh it might be this third party that isn't the scum that you REALLY need to be caring about but lets vote for him anyways even though we REFUSE TO LISTEN TO POWERFUL WIZARDS AND PURGE MAYBE THE GIANT BALL OF PEOPLE THAT SHOULD IN FACT BE PURGED"-
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@Mod: Is the current VC right? I haven't voted for Jazz...ever?
With so many tags in these vote counts, I was bound to mess up somewhere... Fixed with apologies. ~Vi
Incantum Shenanigans: MO
"But SpyreX you said he was town waaa"
Yea, but I do agree with VP after a reread about the lack of committal. Further, IF MO is scum then I'd be reallly surprised if zor was scum.-
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l-1?
Damnation. I need to go back to POWERFUL WIZARD COUNTING SCHOOL.
So, rhinox is at P-2
SC is at P-3
Zor is at P-4
Incantum Placeholder: SpyreX
Notice that I could have put 3 in the running and chose not to. Despite how much I want to eat the brains of 3 lynches.-
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