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Dropping the threshold seems to bypass a typical rule involving ties at a deadline (that the first player to X votes is lynched rather than both players). We can put multiple people to L-1 and wait a few days.If the threshold drops to the number of Incants a player currently has, they are immediately purged. This can be used to Purge multiple people at once.-
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So do you agree with Mighty Orbots stance on multiple purges per day? What about it is agreeable where Spyrex's stance is scummy?Porkens wrote:Agreeing with the hydratic post in 51 almost in it's entirety. Most of all with the simple reminder about godfathers and reflectors. We should keep the idea of self-vote block in mind but not really consider it a viable option.-
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@Rhinox, do you think Juls used appeal to emotion on her random vote?
@Mighty Orbots: How are you handling the hydra in this game? Are you using it to split up time? Are you running by ideas or suspicions before you post? Like is there a way to tell if something one half says speaks for the other half?
It looks like the Moychandiser role is a cult recruiter, who probably would also have the Marketing ability which looks like a random powerrole enabler. They both have that Spaceballs theme, which is a Mel Brooks spoof of Star Wars.Jazzmyn wrote:Also, I'm not familiar with some of the terms used in the GM's opening posts or some of the abilities described, or Spaceballs™ which is referenced a few times, so I'm going to go and do some investi-Googling to see if I can make some sense out of the parts that I don't understand.-
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Doublevote? I like the timing actually, letting us know he has the power to quicklynch before he gets the opportunity to do it. Seems protown.
Serial is catching my eye with his fluff:scumhunting ratio already, but then I remember its only page 4 and we've got several people who haven't done anything yet. So that might be more townish since it keeps the thread active.
He has done it more than once but I read it when the same joking tone that I've seen him use in a previous game or two.Rhinox wrote:Anyone find it odd porkens is playing the newbcard when he's not a newb?
VP, are you going somewhere with this? I see a few possibilities and want to see one of them is it.VP Baltar wrote:Well see, that was actually pretty stupid to do Spy given that if the Reporter role is in this game, you may have just given him or her a first check on the list of roles.-
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My gut says Porkens is town despite playing "newbcards" and being confident early on with Spyrex. I just think that's normal for him. He doesn't force either of those two things to work into his favor though, so that's why I say town right now.
I think Sotty was ok for asking what Serial was doing with his vote on Porkens, but he's using alot of speculation in his case that I have trouble seeing the same way. Neither one looks scummy ATM.
It looked to me like his reason was to pressure Porkens and see how he would react. That seems like a normal play to me.Sotty wrote:You said lets wagon Porkens for no reason
He might have had an additional reason but just kept it to himself, which also happens and doesn't raise red flags with me initially.SerialClergyman wrote:lets purge Porkens and not tell him why.
@Serial: When did Sotty ask the question "again after twice being told the answer"? I only see him ask once, not "again".SerialClergyman wrote:Go along with it or don't, but asking the question again after twice being told the answer reeks of cautiousness to me.
I don't agree with the theory about Serial and Spy being buddies. 1/2 of the town hadn't, and hasn't commented on the Spyrex pressure or done much, if any, scumhunting. I'm looking at you, zoraster, rhinio, orbots, juls, jazz, and blood. Pretend I voted and unvoted each of you in succession and then went back to VP, who is worthy of a wagon. (for focusing on strategy talk and fluff posts instead of scumhunting)-
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Seconded. Serial, do you still find porkens scummy? Is it on something that would be good to share now?Sotty7 wrote:Serial, why do you still refuse to address the why Porkens stuff? Your vote is on me now, you can explain that now surely.
That was quick. Did you pick it up by his first post or his second?Juls wrote:Oh...and Rhinox is scum...just gut at this point but I feel I have played with him enough, as both town and scum, that I get a vibe from him.
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Jazzmyn, I believe you when you say it's sometimes hard to get started, but so far you've mostly just wondered about the setup and roles. What are your thoughts about people and cases right now? Do you agree or disagree anywhere? Anything noone else has considered yet?
His lack of scumhunting intent? Did that come across in the post where he voted Spyrex, or somewhere else? How did the intent not look real?SerialClergyman wrote:firstly he was scummy due to his lack of scumhunting intent
I think our VI (village intellectual) mod made a few roles that could help scumbuddies in that scenario. Condemn could take a player and his vote off scum; Luxomancy stops the purge entirely. I could see these roles as town or scum.Juls wrote:the reason I believe double-vote would be more likely to be scum is that it could be used to save a buddy from getting lynched.
Both zoraster and BloodCovenent have been disingenuous so far:
That was four days ago. Dinner doesn't last four days. Where are you?BloodCovenent wrote:I've gotta go to dinner, but i should be back up reading more later.
This was over a week ago. Unless he was excited about playing the lurker, he needs to come in and explain himself.zoraster wrote:I'm excited to play in this game.
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Yes it was more than a callout, Spyrex. I wanted to ask them why they weren't posting, since it would affect how I treated their inactivity and if I would vote. Since there was 2 of them and I have only 1 vote, I couldn't pressure them equally through voting.
Blood's excuse sounds legit. Welcome aboard Nachomamma.
zoraster the otter's excuse sounds less legit. He could have left it at "I've been busy", but that comment about the site being slow seems excessive. That means he's on the site a little, and it wouldn't be hard to post here and say he's V/LA like Juls keeps doing.
@VP: Where's the evidence that zoraster is posting elsewhere? Besides modding, since that would take priority. I can't find it in Google search.
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Sotty, what's the difference between these two quotes?Sotty wrote:Serial, why Porkens out of everyone?
From where I'm looking, there is no difference (except tone). Now let's go back to what you said earlier today:Mighty Orbots wrote:Happy birthday SpyreX. WTF did you just do? And why did you do it to Sotty7?
So by that logic, Sotty's above reaction was fishy, and you wouldn't argue against a Sotty wagon. Except you did when it happened.Sotty wrote:I wouldn't argue against a MO wagon at this point. I think the reaction to Spy's double vote on me was fishy. He just asked why me and yet didn't give any opinions of the action itself. Felt like he was waiting to see how others reacted.
Sotty looks hypocritical and scummy here.
Hello father of history. I don't understand this.Herodotus wrote:2.The scum win scorched earth.This is important to remember.-
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Sotty, I think you had asked an innocent question to SC about his Porkens vote. And maybe you would have given an opinion on it before pressed to.
But two people asked similar innocent questions to Spyrex about his doublevote before giving any opinions on the subject. I think it's scummy that you aren't holding yourself, and others, to the same tell you put on Orbots.
VP Baltar wrote:wtf is that about?
VP Baltar could also have been waiting for others to chime in before he gave opinions on the matter, but Sotty only makes it a tell on Orbots.Mighty Orbots wrote:Happy birthday SpyreX. WTF did you just do? And why did you do it to Sotty7?
Why didn't you talk about VP's post being fishy?
The fact remains that you did not give your opinion on SC's vote until he switched his vote to you, and put the pressure on you to defend by talking about your innocent question.Sotty wrote:If MO had explained his thoughts on me or Spy's double vote that wouldn't have been fine. It wasn't until he was point blank asked did he regurgitate what others had already said well after the time.
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ALL ABOUT ZORASTER:
It looks like a policy lurker lynch to me. That was kinda the reason I was on board for a while. Maybe some of these posts can have some elaboration.SerialClergyman wrote:Anyone voting zoraster can now mention why aside from vagueries posted earlier, please.
Nachomamma wrote:I wasn't happy with the good stuff, sorry. That was so lazy you might've just kept the stuff on the hydra and got rid of everything else.
@Nacho: Is "not being active enough" a good scumtell right now? How is this scummy and not misguided town play from zoraster?Nachomamma wrote:Zoraster needs to post with more content before I feel better about him, honestly. His major case on MO is that he really isn't taking stances on anything, but back when he and Zorblag were around, it was pretty early in the game and they didn't have that much of a chance to do a whole lot, so I don't see them being all that scummy.
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Is this scummy and not misguided town focusing on you?Mighty Orbots wrote:1. I guess it's also a coincidence that you're attacking the one who started your wagon.
2. I also guess we were supposed to ignore the questions people were asking us about how the hydra was going to work.
3. I also also guess I'm not taking a stand on anyone by advocating for your wagon.
@MO: This is straight-forward, but do you think he's the biggest offender as of right now?Mighty Orbots wrote:My stand is that I've lynched too many scum lurkers to stop now, and your contributions thus far haven't done anything to sway me.
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VP Baltar wrote:I know for a fact that he was posting elsewhere on site.
These don't look vague. They support the theory that zor was trying to lurk though.VP Baltar wrote:I agree with Jahudo about zor making excessive excuses. I don't even think the site has been that annoying as of late (at least not as much as it was before mith made his corrections).
@VP: Since you said this, do you think zoraster is being active and scumhunting? Do you agree with Nacho's reasons for being on the wagon?VP Baltar wrote:Actually, I think zoraster's point about you being in the background was one of his better because I feel the same way. No doubt that CTIII is coloring my perception, but I'm certainly wary of your hydra.
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She still has her random vote on zoraster, and hasn't given a reason why she's keeping it on him over the other two. This is really vague.Jazzmyn wrote:I'm getting bad vibes from zoraster, BloodCovenent, and Mighty Orbots, but it's nearly all based on "gut" rather than on substantive evidence.
@Jazzmyn: Do you agree with the reasons other people are on zoraster's wagon?
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I think the part of the zoraster case I originally liked is too dependent on intangibles, like his internet access and time spent on modding. His offer to be lynched, instead of lynching him and another person, also gives me pause. It sounds pro-town.-
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I think they are both asking about the reasons behind votes that aren't obviously stated in the thread. And neither question has a comment attached to it in the initial question post.VP Baltar wrote:Jahudo's Post 189 stinks if you ask me. First, I don't think the quotes between Sotty and MO are comparable at all as one is asking about a wagon switch and the other is asking about the reasons for double voting.
There wasn't anything substantial for me there. I read it as pressure votes for them to get reactions. I was hoping for the same with my vote kept on you for an extended period.VP Baltar wrote:Jahudo had not too much earlier seemed disinterested in the Sotty wagon. + scum points here
You didn't say anything in your initial post: Post 80. I think your referring to post 87? Spyrex had posted in between those two. But if we're going by real time, you gave your opinion way before MO. It took VP about 20 minutes, and I'm not sure MO has given an opinion on Spy's double vote yet.VP Baltar wrote:This again does not sit well with me. The questions were not similar. Also, she attacked MO for fencesitting on the double voting issue, which isn't relatable to my "wtf" comment because I very clearly said I disagreed with it.
So I'm trying to argue that your initial post 80, Mighty Orbots's post 93, and Sotty's post 67 all have a question over an unexplained vote switch. But none of those posts give an opinion straight away. It wasn't a big deal for me until Sotty used that tell to presume scum could be holding out on opinions until the town weighed in.
I'll admit it's imperative to believe that there was intent to continue holding out past that initial reaction of "wtf, unexplained vote? why?". VP didn't have the intent but it looks like MO did. Sotty may have, but she had to go into defense after being voted. So actually, if this tell is a good one it should be used against MO first and foremost.
Wait, what? I think I just argued for the MO wagon!
hmmm... let me rethink this. (and maybe look closer at the Rhinox wagon, because I <3 Rhinox wagons)
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I like Jazzy's surge of activity but I'm cautious because some, if not alot, of the opinions can be seen as established, popular views. But that's hard to avoid when you're basically doing a catchup post after 10 pages of talk. Nothing jumps out at me yet as scummy, but I'm still piecing through it. I do like that she's not just going after the popular wagons and the popular reasons.
@Porkens: Do you find Rhinox scummy, or did you just want Sotty and zor to have the same number of votes?
I don't want to fully excuse Porkens' behavior on the grounds of meta. But some things like the "newbcard" still don't bother me. Though I am starting to wonder why he is advocating a zoraster purge without saying much about him.
Me miss Zorblag but no think absence reflect troll alignment. Also I can't find anything on MO as a scum tell besides the time he asked Spy about his 2x vote. I don't think one instance of holding out a read is solid enough evidence. If I'm not mistaken he still hasn't given an opinion about Spy's vote?
And I guess zoraster's not too concerned with looking like a lurker. Did he disappear again?
He just places his vote on MO and stops scumhunting. Not too townish there.
Wait, what is the scum teat in this analogy? Late incantations? Is this a town tell on SC, or a byproduct?SpyreX wrote:SC, realistically, pushing a decent push as a slam dunk that early with the high probability of backfiring doesn't strike me as a scum machination. Additionally, pushing the game forward when with a decreasing purge number being a nice bottle for the proverbial scum teat is a OK.
I've actually been looking at SC as a possible lyncher. His play makes more sense as that than scum, because he wouldn't have to survive that long. This is just a gut feeling I have, but it's what I think of when I see his involvement with Sotty.
His initial vote on Sotty was innocent at the time and had good but weak reasoning. Definitely not enough to be comfortable purging. More for pressure and reactions.
The way I'm reading the next exchange is that Sotty was ok to ask the question, but started thinking connections too early and that's where the valid suspicion on her continued.
The Spy/SC connection is not grounded with good evidence, but she did back away from that point so I can possibly think that she did not feel as strongly about that opinion, like most early day 1 opinions about scum/not scum are not that strong.
But SC has held onto one point longer than I think town ever would:
SC's latest post and I think he's still twisting the case around. Sotty clearly did not ask the reasons for the wagon (the part that SC answered twice previously).SerialClergyman wrote:she asked a question that had been answered twice previously.
There are other posts where SC is trying to direct the conversation of others' onto Sotty. He didn't say what he liked about my case on Sotty. All he wanted was my vote.
In a hilarious twist, I have a sneaking suspicion that Spyrex is his other target. (The SC/Spy connection!!) He's been calling Spy obvtown too hard, which must look like a billboard for scum.
I'm saying this all now because it's a strong enough gut feeling that I don't want SC on Sotty's wagon if he's going to be purged. That's all. We don't need to purge SC, because I'd rather find the mafia-types. We don't have to keep Sotty alive if we think he's in the mafia.
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I keep thinking Sotty = Scotty. I should just look at avatars.
You could have answered her question without explaining the reasons for the wagon. For example,SerialClergyman wrote:Answer the question 'Why Porkens' without giving reasons for the wagon.
Your reason for voting Porkens was "he was easiest to test with pressure".
Sotty says "why porkens out of everybody?"
You say "best target for thing I'll explain later" or "for something I find scummy" or "something and this is not a random vote."
You left yourself open to those questions by people, not just porkens, because its not clear if porkens could be substituted with somebody else or not. Or if porkens did anything at all. Judging by your second explanation, it can look like you were campaigning for more votes on porkens, for the purpose of seeing if eager scum jumped on the porkens wagon.-
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Not since Friday when he had 4 posts. But I find it more telling that in those 4 posts, he only talked strategy.Mighty Orbots wrote:Let me ask you something. Now that Zoraster's wagon has (unfortunately) died down, have you seen any posts from that direction?
He's also become a reason he's voting MO.
Reason in bold.zoraster wrote:The Hydra (Mighty Orbots) is scummy.A few long posts, but little in the way of content.Yes, he's tried to get some lurkers active, but other than that the content of his posts is almost all "I'm a hydra" related and some generic questions that don't take a stand on anyone. Active enough to escape notice for lurking, inactive enough to escape notice for anything else. Mighty Orbots is the scum.
@zoraster: why have you not questioned MO, or commented on his latest posts, since voting him?
what do you think about some of the other wagons? anyone you'd pick as a second best option right now?
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SerialClergyman, you have an interesting sounding meta but I won't hold it for or against you. I've played and won two games as a lyncher and love the role (hahaha kmd), so I've been looking for possibilities in this game from the start.
I'm not convinced you're a lyncher, and could see you as town before mafia at this point, but if you were a lyncher then sotty looks most like your target. It would be enough for me to see you vote someone other than Sotty at deadline. Maybe we can arrange something, as long as we purge zor too.
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RE: Good posting:Spyrex wrote:The scum teat is the fact that an apathetic town leads to a lower number necessary for a lynch - which lets wackier hijinks happen. Anything that is actively trying to push things forward in a direction versus stagnation in the early phase is a slight town tell. Of course, if Sotty flips scum its a bit more. If Sotty flips a scum PR its pretty much slam dunk.
She makes a good point here. It's okay if people don't explain who is most townie for why (which helps scum direct nk), but Rhinox left himself open to picking sotty as a 3rd choice overall and a 1st viable choice for no reason:Sotty7 wrote:Scum want to commit to as little as possible so that they can dictate an opinion as needed. If my wagon really took off you could suddenly want to hammer for example.
Also I find Rhinox's obliviousness to Nacho's V/LA status kind of suspect. Your focusing on him and don't even know he's been on mod-acknowledge V/LA?Rhinox wrote:I'm still thinking a porkens or nacho lynch are better than sotty as well.
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Where's our mystery guest, Nikanor?
This sounds like you'd already be willing to purge SC/Spy if Sotty flipped town, but that you also wouldn't terribly mind seeing Sotty purge if it helps you decide on SC/Spy. Is that accurate?Herodotus wrote:I (still) think the wagon on Sotty is weak, but I'm confounded by the players voting her. SC and Spy seem to be tunneling hard on the basis of things I don't think suggest a scum alignment. If either SC or Spyrex is town, and Sotty is too, I demand at least the right to say "I told you so" in the postgame.
I'm tempted to analyze her wagon (and those not on it) in more depth, but if she ends up purged, it might be better to wait until we've seen her flip.
Porkens wrote:I don't think there's any possibility that they are all scum, and it's probably unlikely that 2 of them are anti-town. But 1 of 3? Sure.
Maybe they aren't great lynches, but they aren't BAD lynches by any stretch.
Okay, you've made it clear you're pushing the wagons from the outside. But do you have any substantial reason for liking the wagons besides Sotty's flailing? Or are you guessing at probabilities with the other two? Because I see no reason not to purge you next if we lose 3-4 townies today and you were pushing for them without pushing them.Porkens wrote:I'd like to see the day end with 3-4 lynches, some popular, some not. I really don't care who those lynches are. There, I said it.-
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I don't think Sotty's claim changes anything. Both Sotty and Spy could still be town because we don't know how many factions / anti-town players are in the game. The difference in power could be mod trickyness.
And Sotty doublevoting to prevent her purge would have looked scummy, so the timing of this claim doesn't affect me.
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I don't want to purge zoraster for lurking/being inactive. But I do want to purge zoraster.
I've got bad vibes on SC, but not for his take on me. He's now made tells that make sense as 2 different third-party factions. I'm waiting to see if the second one develops.
I think Sotty is playing townish lately. And I have a gut feeling I should be paying more attention to both Nacho/Nikanor and Rhinox. And that they should post more.-
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@Mod: Did you know zoraster went on V/LA?
This has me losing interest in a day 1 zoraster purge.
Jazz has played differently from the posts you mentioned. Her reasons seem to be partially real life issues and partially meta, which is something you could comment on and say is valid or not.Nikanor wrote:Should I?
Do you think SC is scum? Your Rhinox case is ok.Nikanor wrote:Okay, Rhinox and SC then. ^5 compromise!
Are you still pondering this? Do you think it's a good idea? When?SerialClergyman wrote:I don't know what to do about Sotty's claim. It has me pondering a massclaim.
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He never showed up to try and defend the reason I found him scummy. I asked questions in post 275 that would help me affirm my incantation.Herodotus wrote:Jahudo wrote:I don't want to purge zoraster for lurking/being inactive. But I do want to purge zoraster.
Explain. If your reasons for wanting to purge him were not based on his inactivity, then why does his having an excuse for his inactivity make you lose interest in purging him?Jahudo wrote:@Mod: Did you know zoraster went on V/LA?
This has me losing interest in a day 1 zoraster purge.
Also, is VP scum?
And there's better cases from people who've said more things. Making a one-dimentional purge on day 1 doesn't help vote analysis as much as someone who's posted more, like SC or Rhinox.
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@Serial Clergyman:
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Are you still pondering this? Do you think it's a good idea? When?SerialClergyman wrote:I don't know what to do about Sotty's claim. It has me pondering a massclaim.
(I 100% disagree with this idea unless we feel we're in lylo/mylo)
Also, this meta does not fit with this game:
He seemed to really trust a single scum read by page 4 of this game.SC wrote:I'm very vocal about town reads and trust them more strongly than my scum reads. I even spent a period of games where all I did on D1 was look for townies and was prepared to lynch anyone who I couldn't directly state was town.
And he hasn't acted like he's prepared to purge anyone he hasn't directed stated was town.SC wrote:Honestly guys, this case is making itself. The only reason I'm still typing is because I'm trying to break this keyboard before the warranty is due. There should be no need for any further action except incanting Sotty.
Hasn't said zoraster is town, just that he doesn't like the lurker case on him. Seems like he's neutral on Nikanor. Hasn't commented anything about Hero, MO or Rhinox.SC wrote:If I had to guess right now, I'd say Jahudo was scum due to dodgy votes, Jazzmyn was scum due to suspicious posting patterns and fluff and I'm not sure about the third. Could be you or porkens.
So what are you hiding, SC? Your reasons for thinking some people are town, or your meta?
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How important is finding scum pairings in your reads today? Isn't it possible for two people to be scummy and in different factions?Rhinox wrote:@porkens: why so apathetic? do you really think all 3 of sotty, SC, and zor are scum together? because I just can't see sotty and SC being scum together.
And what is your actually take on zoraster?Rhinox wrote:As if on cue. Now it really does look like you're intentionally lurking. You don't post for a week, but miraculously show up as soon as you're suspected for lurking? suspicious...
How can you find him suspicious but seem he's town? Do you think he's went back to intentionally lurking? What do you think of his posts 177, 217, 218, 220, and 223? Do those seem townish?Rhinox wrote:I don't support any plan that includes lynching Zor today. He's seeming town.
How can this displease you if you think it's important to withhold your town reads? It took you 5 posts to suspect someone other than porkens.Rhinox wrote:@Nacho: I'm displeased with your entrance to the game. No thoughts on other players besides Zor? Is MO your scum partner?
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I'm dropping this train of thought:
I felt the way he suggested massclaim this early could be a reporter play. But he didn't push the idea, even after Hero started thinking massclaim too.Jahudo wrote:I've got bad vibes on SC, but not for his take on me. He's now made tells that make sense as 2 different third-party factions. I'm waiting to see if the second one develops.
Now I'm thinking even Hero's suggestion is too on the nose for a reporter to say.
But reporter talk is just theory. It's more practical to think of the potential power roles that would be outed by massclaim. I think scum could have town-sounding power roles like cop or doc in this game, given the SK and other anti-town faction possibilities, so mass claim does not sound like a good idea.Herodotus wrote:There are several people who I'm pretty confident are not scum, and I feel that setting ourselves up to purge all but a handful of townies would force the scum to scramble to avoid having all their members purged.-
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I never said you supported it, just that you suggested an idea.Herodotus wrote:I never supported a massclaim.
He said he was probably against it, which didn't sound like opportunism after seeing other people continue talking about the idea.Herodotus wrote:SC 394 doesn't really drop the idea of a massclaim.
According to the role PM, one way of checking a role of their hypothetical list is by mod confirmation. So a flip. Your suggestion sounds like the best strategy for a theoretical reporter:Herodotus wrote:As far as I can tell, a massclaim doesn't help a hypothetical reporter very much. It would just guide them in using an investigative ability, if they have one.
But I'm done talking about 3rd parties for now, in case my focusing on SC is allowing a real lyncher/reporter/etc some more breathing room.Herodotus wrote:There are several people who I'm pretty confident are not scum, and I feel that setting ourselves up to purge all but a handful of townies would force the scum to scramble to avoid having all their members purged.
I think Rhinox and SC could be scum. The mafia types.
His scumhunting of SC looks genuine. But I'm starting to wonder why he's so open to the Rhinox wagon?Herodotus wrote:Also, is VP scum?
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This reasoning doesn't meld with your original suspicions on Porkens. I feel your just taking words at face value and not actually SCUM HUNTING him. Originally you thought Porkens was trying to hide behind the newbcard. Now you say he's apathetic and trying to get anyone purged. He can't be both overly cautious scum and overly risky scum. What do you think of his responses to criticism on him?Rhinox wrote:My vote is on porkens, so that is your answer. Overall, I don't like porkens' apathy and willingness to lynch anybody without really giving reasons.
Can you elaborate on the bolded parts? You're not okay with him making guesses based on his history of being right, but you like the hunting he does based on those guesses? Does the history poison his scumhunting or not?Rhinox wrote:nikanor is an improvement over nacho in terms of activity, andat least seems to be scum hunting. What I don't like is his appeal to his scum hunting history in order to support his cases, i.e. "I've only ever called people scum like this 4 other times and they were scum then so they're scum now".If his cases were strong, he wouldn't need his scum hunting history to support them.
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It's been the weekend. Have you caught up on the game?Jazzmyn wrote:I'll have lots of time on the weekend again. That's just the way it is here sometimes, given the nature of my work; I don't have a lot of control over it.
Has zoraster's continued absence (excused or not) affected your "neutral read" on him?
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Are you feeling anything more on Jazzmyn since your Post 167?VP Baltar wrote:
C'mon now, work with me here. One of those and SC or if I'm absolutely not going to get that, zoraster (though I don't think his lurking means anything any more). The point of two purges is that we can make everybody happy!Nikanor wrote:Anyway, I'd be happy doublepurging Jazzmyn and Rhinox now.
Or was that post all about compromise to get SC purged?
Is it that you could find Jazzmyn or Rhinox more likely scum, or zoraster more likely town?
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Do you have any reason to think Porkens or Jazzmyn are scum, or are you just compromising to get zoraster purged?Mighty Orbots wrote:This kinda sucks. Zoraster + (Porkens/Jazzmyn) FTW.-
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Okay, I did misread masspurge as massclaim. Still I think today we should only do a massage of two people. Um, I mean a massachusetts of two people.
The original point against them didn't seem bad in isolation, but after a re-read I am in favor of a MO purge today.VP Baltar wrote:Jahudo, do you still want MO purged today?
He has been holding back opinions until other town weighs in. If this happens once or twice on an issue that the asking player is neutral/undecided, that isn't scummy. But MO is consistently trying to get player reads from other people while simultaneously withholding his own reads.
This was the first one I noticed, and originally compared it to a Sotty quote and a VP quote. The difference was that MO kept asking it and didn't make a comment until pressed to do so, and much later on.Mighty Orbots 93 wrote:Happy birthday SpyreX. WTF did you just do? And why did you do it to Sotty7?
At this point they hadn't suspected anyone for anything except zoraster, for not posting. And even then they didn't call it lurking.Mighty Orbots 162 wrote:Jazz, who's scum?
At this point they had not made any comment on SC, so it could be another instance of them gauging interest in a possible wagon without picking a side yet. Also in their previous post they fence-leaned on Sotty, and an opinion on her defense could have also been an opinion on SC's offense. But what they said about Sotty had no impact on a possible SC read.Mighty Orbots 199 wrote:@VP, while apparently I have caught your attention - SerialClergyman is scum y/n?
I think this is a very good day 1 tell, and strong enough on its own for me to incant them now. They were called out for this by zoraster, and their response looked overly defensive: Post 174.
1 looks like trying to downgrade zoraster's actual reasons to an OMGUS.Mighty Orbots wrote:So, um, lawl.
1. I guess it's also a coincidence that you're attacking the one who started your wagon.
2. I also guess we were supposed to ignore the questions people were asking us about how the hydra was going to work.
3. I also also guess I'm not taking a stand on anyone by advocating for your wagon.
2 I agree with MO. 3 sounds like they're trying to prove their own towniness by bringing the debate to their pro-towniness. I don't feel good about a townie being concerned with them being town.
I'd prefer an MO and Rhinox purge at this moment.
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I'm okay with everything said above. It makes sense MO would stay under our radars since it looks like he wasn't committing to anything that would open up questioning.
I can't think of any questions for MO right now, but I think it will be informative to see a couple more MO posts before we start asking for claims.
@Spyrex, do you think anything of Jazzmyn's reported V/LA? I think it explains her most recent bags of nothing, like part of zoraster and nacho's absence.-
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Gammagooey: define "bleh".
My reason for joining was different than others. Basically I thought he was calling out a particular MO post as a scumtell when I thought Sotty had made a comparable post himself. The posts weren't big tells for me on their own, but calling something scummy on one person when you do it as well is scummy to me. But he explained his position well and I decided they weren't comparable after all.Gammagooey wrote:everyone else's reasonings for hopping off that wagon would be appreciated.
My MO case is because tries to get other players to give up reads on people before he makes a comment on people.
My Rhinox case is that I think he's scumhunting like scum. Part of his Porkens case seems to contradict another part. Like that metaphor where you make any post a scumtell and see what sticks to the wall.
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We need to purge Rhinox.Vi wrote:Win Conditions:
(Dark - Town) You win when all other factions have left the game and one person who shares this Win Condition is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
(Moychandiser) You win when everyone alive has an item of SpaceballsTM-themed moychandise, even if you are dead. However, if your removal from the game would cause the Dark Win Condition to be fulfilled, you will exit the game and lose.
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Nacho makes a good point. Why help out a potential moychandaiser? Why give Hero an ability they may or may not be good for town? Neither seems like good reasons to use the power.
And Rhinox cross voting with MO/SC wouldn't seem to make sense in his shoes, since he only see Porkens and Nacho as scum. But it would make sense he'd try to quickhammer if the alternative was him and someone else, since he's said he only wants 1 purge per incantation.
But if we have to watch out for a quickhammer, we should make sure its not on Rhinox since it doesn't seem likely he's mafia or a killing role. I think we can still get a good 2'fer today.-
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You did answer my questions, and I was trying to see what you were thinking about your role when the game started. I don't think I would have used a role just to prove I had it or if I thought it wouldn't help.Rhinox wrote:If I haven't answered these two points sufficiently in this post already, let me know and I'll give it another shot. Regardless, what point are you trying to make here? I can see 2 different possibilities.
Okay, I don't really like the idea of Rhinox being quickhammered as the only purge today. It's really unlikely he's mafia, and he isn't much of a threat if he's 3rd party right now so maybe we should keep him around and purge him if he tries to give away more moychendise.
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Dang, I think we'd need Jazzy for a 3 way purgeVi wrote:Incantation:--NO PURGE-- (P-4)
:arrow:Rhinox (P-2)~Nachomamma8,,SpyreXHerodotus, Mighty Orbots
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Porkens (P-3)~Rhinox,SerialClergyman
SerialClergyman (P-4)~Jazzmyn,Sotty7, VP Baltar
Gammagooey (P-4)~Mighty Orbots,Porkens
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I think you mean a rimshot. As in, "ba dum tish". A drum roll is made in anticipation of something, like the next incantation.Mighty Orbots wrote:Hmm, I can't say I like to see VP Baltar double crossing people. Though I don't know who fingers is so maybe it's OK given the context.
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Thanks!Vi wrote:Also, happy birthday Jahudo! Your avatar went from adorable to Cool since the last time I saw it~
Its possible we don't have any more light mafia, like in Vi's Jailbreak Mafia that had 2 mafia and 1 sk. But its only speculation today so Rhinox/MO associative tells aren't going to be my complete focus, but neither am I going to ignore them. So...
Yeah, Porkens made the initial move to try and bring Rhinox back into the mass purge after we started planning for just SC and Sotty. I highly doubt he's scum with Rhinox/MO because that would have been preventable bussing.Nachomamma8 wrote:My bad then. Then you are a hero for squeezing Rhinox into the purge, better?
Rhinox also focused on Nacho and Porkens while ignoring townies like SC and Sotty, so I'm leaning to think he was trying to mislynch instead of distance. The same could apply to MO and zoraster, though I feel less strong about that because MO was keeping all of his options open for wagon hops. Zor could have been distancing. And lets not forget that MO was ready to bus his partner to save himself and get mucho townie cred.
Would a POWERFUL WIZARD go to great lengths to avoid his scumbuddys being paired together, by saying their's no way they're together? This enough makes me think he's not likely light scum.SpyreX wrote: Rhinox may be third party but definitely not scum WITH MO.
Gamma was against Rhinox since the moment he joined. He still keeps up the suspicion after the claim. Also talking about MO and Rhinox multipurge, but Post 585 seemed to show that Gamma didn't prefer a MO purge. Hard to say if he could be light scum. More likely than those I previously mentioned, less likely than the following.
VP re-energized the MO wagon around Post 408, but he wasn't too interested in Rhinox until later. He believed Rhinox's claim more than others too, so I could believe distancing.
Jazzmyn had Rhinox as possible 3rd party and MO as possible scum in her walls o' text, but the problem is that she listed most people in that ambiguous neutral to leaning scum. Her activity drop after those posts but before her V/LA don't help her look town. I could see her as possible light scum or other scum.
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When you replaced in both MO and Rhinox were at P-1. A scumbuddy would have to bus at least one in that scenario. But that, itself, doesn't mean your scum.Gammagooey wrote:I can see how my attitude towards MO makes me look scummy, but Rhinox? He was the most suspicious of anyone to me and I pushed pretty hard to help get him lynched
This occurred in the same day that Gamma replaced in:
So a scumbuddy would have known around that time that bussing Rhinox and saving MO was likely their plan.MO 474 wrote:If it comes up I'll use that double vote to lynch Rhinox today rather than getting lynched if the game state doesn't change in a way that prevents it
When Sotty became a viable purge in place of MO, Gamma jumped without hesitation.Gammagooey 528 wrote:SUDDENLY,
Incant:SottyGammagooey 526 wrote:The thing with MO being willing to single hammer Rhino is a bit scummy, but I like Sotty lyanch better than him mostly on gut from Sotty's early posts.Gammagooey 585 wrote:A 3-way adding MO lynch just doesn't seem like it would end well to me
And continued to support a Rhinox purge.Gammagooey 595 wrote:I support Rhino/Sotty for the lynchings.
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And I feel less confident that VP is light mafia scumbuddy. He decreased his suspicion of both MO and Rhinox on page 23, which looks like risky play because it would have helped Rhinox and MO survive past that day.
VP Baltar 547 wrote:Orbots is causing me to have misgivings on this page. I may be willing to go back to a SC/Rhinox purge.
VP: Does "scum" here mean mafia or any scum?VP Baltar 559 wrote:I don't really see Rhinox as being important at all since he's not likely scum.
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