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Hooray!
The bad guys are good guys in this game. Weird.
I promise not to nerdfan you guys to death this time.
Highly suggested reading: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12390 Mechanics are likely to be similar.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'm a big SC nerdfan. I know way too much about the game. And almost doomed the town last time because of it.
I agree. That's why I linked to it.Kast wrote:The presence of those roles/mechanics in the previous game was greater than what I would have expected. It is plausible that Spyrex would incorporate similar mechanisms into this sequel game. I have a high enough opinion of my expectations that I think it worthwhile to point this out.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Merkabah's a hydra?
1. I've played with most of you kids before. Plum, Kast, Porkens, Dry-Fit and I were in the original game together. I've played with Plum and Porkens elsewhere as well. Gamma was my partner in another game. We lynched cruelty. And NKed the mod.Gammagooey wrote:[1] Who here have you enjoyed/not enjoyed playing with before and why?
[2] If you're not voting, why not?
[3] Do you think that voting/not random voting has any indication on alignment?
[4] What do you think my secret reasons for voting Dry are?
2. I hate meta.
3. Nope.
4. Null.
My motivation was simple: I have information, so I'm sharing it. It helps nobody if I take it to my grave. Ya'll are free to dismiss it if you like but don't be surprised by my reaction if someone goes after Plum.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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1. Meta's the only reason I can think of for this question.Gammagooey wrote:[1]Papa what does not liking meta have to do with random voting exactly? [2]And is it just me being crazy or does your answer to the first question have no enthusiasm at all, I would think you'd be happier recalling winning games (the one with me and the first SC game)
2. It goes without saying that I love you crazy kids.
That's all great. What are your conclusions?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I was writing a post out to answer this question, but then I saw some later stuff and realized you're scum. Sweet.CF Riot wrote:Just realized, Zito why would I be voting Gamma? I kind of assumed you were voting him when you asked me but apparently not.
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Let's look deeper.
CF talks about three players in 111.
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2.CF Riot wrote:But no, it doesn't really tell me anything about [Papa Zito's] alignment right now.
3.CF Riot wrote:Rice is active lurking. A "hunch" isn't good enough. I know there are other fairly inactive people right now too, but personally I think active lurking is worse than not posting.
He lists RBT as active lurking and says Dry-fit's vote is "weak and forced". One would assume that he's mentioning these things because he thinks they're scummy.CF Riot wrote:I also don't like Dry's vote on Bouncy. It seems weak and forced.
So why isn't he voting the scummy people instead of the neutral?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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So you feel that "other people mentioning me" makes me more likely scum than RBT's "active lurking" and Dry-fit's "weak and forced" vote on bouncy.bouncy?CF Riot wrote:False. I said the Plum thing was a null on you until I got more info. I didn't say I didn't think you were scum. Now I will admit that the original reason I have for looking at you is other people bringing you up, and not something you've done yourself. It was not the strongest vote. But you currently have the most votes and it's early game, so all those factors combined make me comfortable leaving a vote on you.
Same general thing. You say Gamma's pop quiz is weak and not valuable but your vote stayed put.CF Riot wrote:So was there ever a reason to vote Gamma? Whether you think I'm scum or not, I feel like that was an honest question and I'd love to hear an answer.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I'm trying my best Gamma but I don't have anything to work with.
Putting Porkens at L-1 was a joke since he said he'd hammer anyone at L-1. Self-hammer for the lulz?
Best I can tell our town is disinterested and our scum are hoping I'll just end up as the default lynch. Sad situation is sad but I can't win this solo so I dunno what else you want me to do.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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@Mod: I've voting cruelty. See 136.
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Lawl, I know what Gamma is.
I liked this quote:
Way to nitpick and not argue the actual point.Dry-Fit wrote:
I've only made one non-rvs vote.Gammagooey wrote:@Merk- Dry is more gut scummy to me than anyone else (both of his last two votes have been on stuff other people pointed out, and none of his posts have brought up anything new)
Merkabah's not paying attention to the game. Might be scum, or just lazy, dunno.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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You had my reasoning right, but (I figured) failed to notice his explanation and our subsequent vote changes. It's kinda like if you suddenly bust into the room screaming "THE CAKE IS A LIE!!" at the top of your lungs. Old.Merkabah wrote:
No, I think you're not reading the CF situation properly actually. I was quite surprised you backed off so easily with such a poor excuse.PZ wrote:Merkabah's not paying attention to the game. Might be scum, or just lazy, dunno.
Unless you're referring to something else, in which case feel free to edify me.
Maybe I like his explanation because I value bandwagons so much too.
Oh lawd, here we go.Riceballtail wrote:I'm a Mycon, bulletproof town.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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... that's exactly what he did in Narnia. Only there he didn't have to guess cuz he was a rolecop.Kast wrote:@Merk-
-In the linked game, RBT and I were part of the scumteam. One of RBT's strategies was to lurk heavily. Another was to guess the role/name of town players and use the guess to gain town-cred/buddy with that townie. It's the same pattern that RBT is using here; initially lurk, but when called on it try to buddy with and guess the role of another player.
(YES RBT I'M STILL SORE ABOUT THAT SHUT UP)KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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He was very scum, we were very fooled, and I am very bitter.Kast wrote:@Zito-
Was he town or scum in that game?
False. We need ship, ship abilities, race, and race abilities.Porkens wrote:He already cliamed.
BTW, what he's already claimed doesn't fit the game.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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watRiceballtail wrote:I can only die to lynches.
I can shapeshift into another race by targeting a player at night.
I have a podship, and it is fairly vanilla.
I am sided with the town.
I can't really get more specific than this without risking modkill.
wat
no really watKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I want moar info.
Also none of that claim makes sense. Especially:
There aren't any races in Star Control that can do this.RBT wrote:I can shapeshift into another race by targeting a player at night.
What, exactly, happens when you shapeshift to someone else? New role PM?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Bring it.Kast wrote:If scum know Gamma is going to your ship, then they can easily try to kill you and get both of you with one shot.
If someone jumped ships I wasn't involved. I'm just guessing that's what happened.Kast wrote:@Corollary to thought to Zito-
Assuming someone did jump ship, you probably don't want to reveal that anytime soon since it makes for an easy scum target.
Ani, I need to know who you shot at. Stop dodging the question.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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What straws?animorpherv1 wrote:I think that becuase I feel he's pulling on straws.
What is Zitoscum's motivation for doing so?animorpherv1 wrote:And I don't like that he said "Plum is town" without telling why.
What does this have to do with someone's ship acting like a shield?animorpherv1 wrote:When I saw Gamma in Space, I was wondering why nobody died, and I posted it. Then I eventually rmeembered that you have a Day or So to get picked up by someone.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait
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Probably useless game setup speculation: We have race-pairs, but sometimes one of the pair is scum. OR, the fakeclaims are set up this way.
What's that?animorpherv1 wrote:IMO, you were looking at something not very important.
lol?animorpherv1 wrote:Trying to lear a Scumbuddy
Let's explore this little scenario for a second. Assume I am scumbuddies with Plum. I came right out of the gate and declare that Plum is town in-thread.
1. Has Plum been cleared by this statement? Look at the reactions to my post ITT
2. Plum gets lynched and flips scum. I am irrevocably tied to her by my statement. I'm getting lynched next y/n?
3. I get lynched and flip scum. I am irrevocably tied to Plum by my statement. She's getting lynched next y/n?
Gonna do some re-reading here.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I want to wring some content from bouncy.bouncy's scrawny little neck before I decide.Gammagooey wrote:Now, if you'd like to wait until Sunday to actually vote to make sure Kast actually gets back and has a chance to do something, I'm all for it. However, you should state your intention to vote him now so we can have a chance to evaluate his claim before Sunday.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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I guess this means we have two scumz out there still.
One NKd cruelty (why cruelty?). The other tried to ship-kill me but just went plinkplink.
Plum jettisoned (spent all your energy?) of her own volition. Not sure I get it but ok.
Ani looks like a vig shot.
Ok, all cool.
Merk > bouncy?KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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