Mini 953: Star Control: Alliance Initiative (Over)
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Yessssssssss game start.
So I like this playerlist, I'm glad we don't have to deal with someone like zwet or one other guy I could mention.
Also, bouncy is scum and Papa is scum too, but a cool guy, so let's keep him around for a while for suspense.
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I read over SpyreXs first Star Control game, don't know about Star Control at all aside from that.-
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So this is boring.
HEY EVERYBODY QUESTION TIME
Who here have you enjoyed/not enjoyed playing with before and why?
If you're not voting, why not?
Do you think that voting/not random voting has any indication on alignment?
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Merka-I pwomise I'll answer that, but I'd prefer that a few more people respond/decline to answer/pretend i never asked the questions first.-
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@Kast- my reason for the Dry vote isn't so much "good" as it is "better than random".
Since that question is the least important, have some elaboration:
Out of all the early posts, Dry's was the most similar to a post I would expect to see from someone trying to avoid attention and stay in the background-
A vote reasoning that can't really be argued with or analyzed (since Kast did think he was scum) and a short answer to the question asked.-
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Uh I just told you what the reason was. Do you think my reason given is complete bullshit or did you not see the post or what exactly?-
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A hydra is two players sharing one account, in order to be more active/play better etc.-
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Cruelty and ani haven't posted yet: you two make me sad.
The survey (which was pretty much made on the spot) is basically just to try and get people talking and set a baseline for activity and see if any of the answers or reactions to the questions seemed forced or particularly weird.
bouncy's ignored both the questions and my first vote on him (even though it was random) and needs to say why.
Papa what does not liking meta have to do with random voting exactly? And is it just me being crazy or does your answer to the first question have no enthusiasm at all, I would think you'd be happier recalling winning games (the one with me and the first SC game)
Dry's post doesn't change my thoughts on him (still short and background-y).
Plum's thing about statistics seems a little weird for an on-the-spot question but I haven't played with her before so I don't know if she's a math major/enthusiast or something that would explain it, plus Zito says she's town.
Porkens Merk and Kast's posts didn't have anything out of the ordinary that I noticed.
Riceball's post seems fine too- she's apparently voting me but at least she's more interesting than the non-voters.-
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Uh I don't really have any solid conclusions from it, the closest thing to it would probably be that I find bouncy scummier than before.
And it's not meta, but unless you don't like the random vote stage for one reason or another not voting is more cautious than I would expect from someone who's played more than a few games.
@Plum-the problem is that I'm not really looking for cold hard statistics here, I'm looking for biased opinions (everyone is biased some way or another) from individual players and reasons for those opinions.-
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@bouncy-The only question I still care about is why you chose not to random vote.
@Zito- Because I don't see withholding that information as good townie behavior. If you don't think it's worth answering then you should say that a la CF, not ignore the questions and assume that it's not important that you answer them.-
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Papa- You ask me to explain my questionaire thing to the smallest detail and then you don't even tell us why you're voting CF? What?-
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I think that it doesn't matter what I think considering that you're the one that's voting him, but i'm going to share JUST FOR YOU.
It looks like overthinking and overexplaining, but I don't see that as a reasoning for why he's scum.
What do YOU think about 111?-
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Do we even have enough active people to GET a lynch? This is rediculous.
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The dirtiest lurker by far, although I could go for Dry, bouncy, riceball, or cruelty too.
Also, if at all possible I'd like the hammer vote. Role-related reasons.-
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Actually I really would prefer Dry being lynched, but if you're willing to vote for ANY of the lurking bastards I can deal.
Papa would be a decent lynch too if he wasn't one of the most active person in an entire thread full of lurkers, his behavior just seems off to me and unless Rice/Dry flips scum RF's lack of a vote change doesn't seem scummy to me.-
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@Merk- Dry is more gut scummy to me than anyone else (both of his last two votes have been on stuff other people pointed out, and none of his posts have brought up anything new)
@Rice- I am town, and I'm pretty sure I know why Porkens has the same ability as me, but why would an non-town not be a threat to the town?-
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@cruelty- But leaving hints is SO MUCH MORE FUN. I had actually hoped that just me and Porkens would get it but if other people figure it out then whatever.
I have no idea what logic train Rice is pulling out of his(?) ass to get to third party from the info provided, but explaining at least part of it WOULD be pretty awesome.
@Porkens and any other hammer brothers out there- I won't hammer before a claim if you won't. Unless it's Dry-fit. Then you can hammer faster than a bullet train.-
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Kast- I really don't think the mod would make an annoucement, and I don't think there would be a way to distinguish an ability gotten from hammering from one that's been available the whole game.-
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Man I didn't even want a claim yet, I just want to know where this DERF GAMMA'S THIRD-PARTY crap is coming from.
But if you're gonna claim yeah, what Kast said.-
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Merk- The off behavior is in what I saw as a lack of enthusiasm answering the first question andMyself wrote:Papa- You ask me to explain my questionaire thing to the smallest detail and then you don't even tell us why you're voting CF? What?
Also, he's not a good lynch, he's a decent lynch. lurkers are good lynches. Rice is a great lynch unless he has a similarly great explanation for his read on me. Dry seems like a FANTASTIC lynch to me right now, but I might be tunneling a little bit.
Hey Dry, tell me what you think of people who others haven't already mentioned recently. (aka not Rice) Papa or Merk read would be great.
Merk I'm on Rice's bandwagon because IMO it says to Rice that if he's slow enough in claiming some of this MYSTERIOUS INFORMATION and one more person votes him, Porkens would love to send him to a quick death.-
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Bluh would anyone be willing to trade this PRETTY COOL spot on the wagon with me? If at all possible I'd like the same amount of physical vote pressure (L-2) on Rice with double the players willing to hammer if he doesn't hurry up and get some explaining done.-
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So since Porkens has given me the strange probably accidental ability to hammer, I will at 1pm EST if Rice hasn't claimed yet. ARBITRARY TIME LIMIT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
P.S.- if you steal the hammer and you don't get anything from it, don't expect this courtesy if you ever get put at L-1.-
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@Mod/SpyreX-Can we get a prod on Rice? it's been 48 hours since his last post.
@Everyone else- A vote would work too.-
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You realize I could have hammered you hours ago and gotten A BRAND NEW SHINY ABILITY for doing it right?
And apparently I'M THIRD-PARTY, Why would I even neeeeeed to scumhunt if you aren't pulling that out of your ass. Seriously, I care about you explaining that way more than you explaining your claim.-
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If you hate it that much vote it Papa.
Rice here's what I think Papa is missing here-
-Whether being unkillable except by lynch is a race or ship ability
-abilities of the "fairly vanilla" podship-
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bouncy, I asked Rice to explain why he had that read on me at least 3 times, maybe more. I just found it pretty funny that Rice expected what he had previously said was a third-party to scumhunt.
In other news, I'm like 98% sure Porkens is town, so if you've got a way to restore some of his energy do it.-
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Kast- Naaaaaaaaah, he's town. Although bouncy+Rice might have been a setup trap we just took out.-
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So I'm kind of wondering why I'm out here.
Hammer ability I got I might as well share since it's useless without a ship: All active and racial active abilities energy costs on the ship I'm on get divided by half and rounded down. (1 goes to 0, 3 goes to 1)
Also wondering why the other ship got blown up but there's nobody out here with me, but I'm fine with not knowing if it should be secrets for some reason.-
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I thought it was obvious but I was on the Thraddash Torch. Also, for serious about the no energy thing?
Two things
-Mostly at Plum, but if anyone tried to give Porkens energy and it failed they should say so.
-You should get the hammer today unless you want to pick me up.-
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Well, I thought we had pretty close to the same role PM considering the things you've claimed (breadcrumb of Thraddash, getting an ability on hammer, starting with a ship with 0/3 energy). Maybe not, or maybe you're just testing me for some reason, I dunno.-
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So actually I do have something interesting, I was hoping Plum would respond back to me so I would be sure about her trying to give Porkens energy but I can't think of anything else it would be.
Things I think-
1)That someone took Porkens energy through an ability similar to the Ur-Quan's Launch Fighters from the first Star Control mafia game.
2)Cruelty's unexplained vote on rbt and lack of activity yesterday are fairly scummy.
Things I know-
1) Cruelty targeted Porkens last night
2)Cruelty was on for more than an hour after I asked if anyone failed to give Porkens energy. (posted in Halo mafia)
I'd like the hammer again if you don't mind, but I do believe cruelty is a Very Good LynchTM.-
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Merk-Mostly wondering why exactly would blow up my ship but not kill me. I think the other ship was more likely someone who got teleported away, and there was nobody left on the ship so it exploded.-
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@Merk-Nope. 225 will answer your next question if you read it and think REALLY HARD.
@CF- Porkens picks me up tonight, less fishing for whether I tracked cruelty or watched Porkens until after cruelty claims.-
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Like you did in Reverb? I'm so touched by your trust.
(if you're not the VPB part of the hydra ignore that)
So since nobody else seems to want to I guess I'll start this off. I'll probably unvote to get the hammer around L-1 or 2. (I'd like to see cruelty at L-2 without my vote, where he's got plenty of votes but can't self-hammer if he gives up to avoid me getting another ability.)
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I thought you wanted to pick me up instead? Actually you should PM SpyreX and see if both of us having the ability would allow it to stack (aka reducing it by half twice or only once). If it doesn't stack though there's no point in both of us being on the same ship with the same ability.-
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I'm pretty sure Porkens would get the same ability, but I'm up for it if someone else (Plum is probably the next best choice, maaaybe Papa too) wants to pick me up instead of Porkens so we can distribute some awesome around here.
Kast- I'm assuming Plum is telling the truth, because that seems like a really dumb/pointless thing to fake, plus Papa says she's town. Given that, my town read on Porkens, and annoucing that he's 98% town to everyone, the only one with motivation to drain him should be scum. Another person visiting Porkens without giving him energy (as I asked this already when cruelty was on) means IMO that he's probable scum.-
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Why ya gotta make me doubt things about you Porkens?
Role PM says new abilities.
And I think you could do both, but if it goes something like
Abilities gotten on hammer
-Ability 1
-Ability 2
-Ability 3
It might be that the abilities are always gotten in the specific order for each player hence we would both get ability 1 (energy reducer) after hammering the first time, so if you pick me up and we both have the same ability, it would only be useful if it applies once for each of us.-
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Merk-It might be a fakeclaim thing, but I don't think he's making it up. I'm still waiting on why he chose Porkens in particular, but I would expect that if he was scum he would only claim to have docced him and blamed the energy loss on someone else instead of taking claim for both.
Papa-Can I get your thoughts on the ability?-
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Porkens- Nevermind, take the hammer today, got some clarification from SpyreX and you should get it no matter what else we decide to do.-
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Kast, I'm pretty sure you're awesome.
I am equally sure that I suck for missing stuff similar to this in two games in a row (this and Reverb).
An attempt at an explanation would be nice, but I'm fine without one.
Vote:cruelty
PS- THIS IS L-1 PLEASE ALLOW PORKENS TO HAMMER UNLESS YOU ARE SCUM.-
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I'm okay with getting picked up by any of Kast, Papa, or cruelty. Porkens would be good too but he should actually use some abilities I think.
Dry-fit is still prooobably the best lynch around here but seeing an ani or Merk lynch wouldn't bring me to tears.-
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Yeah bouncy, it was 0 energy after I got my passive ability from hammering.
As for Hierarchy being the good guys, not so much- This mafia game is based on an old computer game called "Star Control"(who woulda guessed) From what I get the Hierarchy of Ur-Quan (we) are on a mission to enslave the galaxy, encasing planets in little bubble-like slave shields to prevent other races from harming us if they don't join our glorious cause.
Papa can tell you way way more than I can though, so ask him if you've got any specific questions.
Shoop.
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Dry-fit thoughts:
He has had exactly two original reads/thoughts about scummy people or behavior that he's shared with us, and that only consisted of "ani is a little worse than cruelty except for the night result", and pushing on Rice (with decent reasoning actually, but I still think he's scum)Myself wrote:Out of all the early posts, Dry's was the most similar to a post I would expect to see from someone trying to avoid attention and stay in the background-
A vote reasoning that can't really be argued with or analyzed (since Kast did think he was scum) and a short answer to the question asked.
His other posts-
bouncy vote was repeating my reasons for finding him a little scummier in 103, and doesn't look like Dry thinks he's voting for scum, it looks like Dry's voting just to be voting for someone scummy.
His iso 4 is pointless.
His "not sure why third parties shouldn't be lynched" is repeating my 147.
The only thing that gives me pause is are the Rice questions (how'd you get that specific read etc)- I thought it was more parroting at the time but it looks like new material after going back to it, and it's what I was thinking myself when I asked Rice over and over to explain the read.
He's still a good lynch, but I'm going to read over Merk and see how he compares sometime tommorrow to see if it feels more like scum posting than Dry's stuff.-
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Hmm. I think I have too many town reads. Just about everyone except 3 people are reading between slight town and obv town to me.
Rereading Merk he's scummier than quite a lot of people but Dry tops him by a long shot. Dry's the way to go today.-
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Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii don't see why Merk looks genuine. Maybe my read on cruelty's ability is biasing me, but to me it looked like scum pushing on a doc claim.
bouncy smells like newbtown to me.
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Merkz-Yeah, I said I expected him to claim doc. And he claimed that AND the energy drain through the action redirector or whatever it was, instead of blaming the energy redirection on another player or a general "the scum"
A better question though: Why does cruelty's targeting Porkens make him suspicious at all now that we know that the energy taken was a mod fluke? I wouldn't have outed the report at all if it wasn't for that and the scum having an energy thief ability last game.
One more question-Do you think he's telling the truth about what his ability does, and if not, what do you think it might be instead?
Main reason for wanting to lynch Dry-fit is that plus his bouncy vote post being more like trying to look pro-town instead of questioning and accusing scum.-
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Reasoning for my read on you Merk- mostly you just give me bad gut vibes, and I have one reason or another for thinking a lot of other people are town. If I were to make a scumlist it would look something like this:
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-People
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-nobody
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Merk, my read on cruelty is largely because of his night action, because it doesn't make sense for scum to have and use on Porkens. If it was a scum action originally meant to steal/block energy, I'm fairly confident SpyreX would have kept it that way, and he would be lynched already. If its original purpose is a scum doc/investigation immune ability, then unless I'm absolutely completely off about Porkens and he's scum then it would be used on a scum in case of vig/ship 'splosion abilities.
I have said why I find Dry scummier than everyone else multiple times, and pointed out the individual posts. My gut scum read is strongest on Dry-fit. If you think that cruelty or ani is a better lynch than Dry make a case yourself saying why.-
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ani, go read the first Star Control game, or at least read over the old role PMs. In that one most town "vigs" kiled just the ship, but every mafia member had an ability to kill at least one player and their ship at the same time, with Kmd's Ur-Quan awesomeboat able to kill a ship and every player inside of it.-
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