Mini 949 - Rainbow Robot Unicorn Attack! - Over

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brb catching up

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Ok, I don't think Robo is scum. And I don't understand the case about Badger.

Trying to justify lurking is plain pointless and scummy.

See Vas

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I declare this:

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The worst vote and reasoning I have seen this game and yes that includes dramo

fos: HP

From my point of view; when a townie is accused of lurking, he would simply apologize and try to be more active whereas scum would try to justify his lurking, to be able to lurk more.

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Doing reads...

So far I've completed farside, Vi and dramonic. I think farside and 6 are town. dramonic is on the edge between neutral and scummy.

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*reserves vote for robo*

This looks weird; but as he voted robo the next day, I don't think this is a strong tell.

Announcing wearyness of a quick-hammer at L-1 on day 1 is not pro-town. It's trying to look pro-town, which is scummy in itself.

The wagon sure broke down quickly after the VT claim. I think I'll keep seeing robo for now, as I don't have a better vote ATM.
I'll check out seacore later, tho, so far he hasn't really redeemed his predecessor in my eyes.

Will go through the body of work of some ISO's later.

Commenting on robo's VT without commenting on it. Looks bad.

Where did you read dram in that?

My first line was aimed at seacore.

And why would I need a way off a wagon that everyone basically jumped out of . No, sir, I'm still sticking to robo for the time being. Mostly cause I've seen nothing to convince me he's not still a good lynch.

Don't see what you try to accomplish by this weak sauce character assassination attempt, really

I like this post.

All in all I'm neutral on him. =/

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I didn't want this post to be much bigger than it is now, so I'm only quoting the last paragraphs; but I'm referring to the entire posts.

We are not color claiming. I actually dont even think a claim near lynch should include color.

Obvious statement is obvious.

Now that we have your playing history down, how about playing present. Who is scum?

Voting someone because he listed his suspicions? I don't get it.

Take it easy is my basic point, I think being reckless in anything with a WC that I dont understand how its obtainable is going to be dangerous.

Backtracking, trying to cause paranoia and soft color-claiming. All in one post! (Moving the vote down to a FoS, Oh My God Votes Are Revealing Our Colors)

First, random wagons are good. Secon which one is more scummy?

What happened to your last statement where you said votes were a bad idea in this game?

Yes. I do expect you to be able to distinguish between two players. Which one?

Because we can definitely get an accurate read from a player with two posts.

coment on VV

vote robocopter

FoS Scumbuddy
Vote Random Townie

yeah we do not color claim unless it has something to do with what your role/abilities are

We do not color claim at

any

point. We don't have a color-related wincon. But it looks like you have one.

I have Elli as town, then Mae and VV as lesser town. Have RC as scum with a few gut reads, and a few more modifyable after a flip.

VV-Llama scumteam?

Stuff like this mostly.

Justifies voting dram for his wanting to hammer robo, who he still wants lynched but is giving himself a way to get off the wagon. All while showing the want for a third wagon on seacore.

Just looks like trying to keep every possible option for a wagon open for himself here.

Strawman.

Im thinking a combination of you/EB/Vi for last two. Im also thinking this is a very non-standard setup game.

Setup speculation almost never works in favor of town.

I think this guy is scum.

Unsee, See LlamaFluff

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the rest is not unconvincing

Double negative?

tl;dr ElectricBadger is defscum. Most of his posts are concerned with looking good instead of actually going anywhere.

I found out that I agree with this.

L-1.

Claim, scum.

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Looks like I counted wrong. Don't mind my L-1 paranoia.

Unsee, See ElectricBadger

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I don't post for a day and ani goes from 0 votes to lynch?

Wow.

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Other than the fact that it was too quick, I prefer this over a robo lynch.

Also I'd LOVE a Llama lynch for tomorrow.

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Llama: You stated the scum didn't know each other. Is this like where one is a traitor or are they all uncertain? Why did you get info like that?

My roles secondary ability implies that at least one scum doesnt know the others as they have an ability to search for other scum.

Is it me or is he claiming scum?

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With that said I completely missed hp[leaves] 529 somehow. I don't agree with about a third of what he said but the rest is not unconvincing, especially since I noted a VV-Fluff connection on my end.

If nothing else I'm more convinced that hp[l] is Town.

Of these four

I'm currently most confident that hp[leaves] is scum

. Aside from Maemuki's very wallflowerish and nonserious play, I find that hp[l] only posting to make a generic comment in Twilight to be suspect and his sudden L-1 vote for the Badger to be strangely placed as well.

Help, I don't understand.

Also,

vote:[hp]leaves

This neither.

As a response to Vi's twilight question which I failed to answer:

vote: hp

More soon. Could also roll seacore's way. I don't like his sudden buddying to Vi. >.>

This neither.

Overnight I decided Seacore was more likely Town because he played the "never been scum" card and was able to back it up.

Don't get.

Vote: hp

This neither.

I also think there's no mafia in this game. Just a SK. If there's a mafia, that win condition (3 points of every color) is

very hard

nearly impossible to achieve.

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Does anyone else see a connection with this role:

"The soul we save: not all, only the special ones. Leaders, thinkers, poets, dreamers, blessed lunatics."

Welcome to Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams, PLAYERNAME. You are a Soul Hunter. You have been sent on a mission to preserve the souls of several important individuals on Babylon 5, including your own.

You are a Neutral Hitman/Neutral Survivor. You have the following special abilities:

Soul Preservation - Each day, you may kill a player other than yourself. You may use this ability at most three times during the game.
Hitman Safe Claim - You know that Marcus Cole is not in the game and is a safe claim for you. If he were in the game, his alighnment faction would be Army of Light (win condition: All Shadow Operatives and Vorlon Operatives must die) and his racial faction would be Babylon 5 (win condition: all Earthforce and Minbari players must die).
Hitman Falseclaim - At any time, you may send me a role name and a list of abilities. If you do, I will send you a fake role PM using the given role name and abilities.

You win if you fulfill any one (1) of the following win conditions:

Hitman Win Condition: You win if you have a hand in the death of any three of the following five characters: Delenn, Lennier, Michael Garibaldi, Alfred Bester, and Lyta Alexander. Should you succeed in fulfilling this win condition, you will immediately remove yourself from the game. (You have a hand in the death of a player if either of the following conditions were met: you were voting for them at the time of their lynch or you killed them directly with Soul Preservation.)
Neutral Survivor Win Condition: You win if you are alive when another faction fulfills its win condition.

Please confirm via return PM.

And this win condition?

Win Condition: You win when you have acquired 3 points of each colour (Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple), or nothing can prevent the same.

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Why are you so insistent that VV is not scum?

After going through and trying to provide examples for this read, im not completely sure. The fact that he seemed to be against the bigger wagons with actual reasoning is a somewhat decent tell, but not one for the strength of read I had. If ani is scum though im pretty sure it makes him town. Likewise ani-town makes hp-scum

(I'm assuming you mean VV-scum here because this post has nothing to do with me)

a good bet.

Did you forget this post?

Something tells me that I have to a detailed read on Seacore.

Btw, sorry for my setup paranoia. That most likely is the last setup-related post you'll hear from me in this game.

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I read Seacore, and despite not liking his stance on RC, I don't think he's scum.

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*Is anyone else noticing that hp[leaves] is explicitly looking for a third party and only a third party?

I actually said that I suspect the existence of a mafia in one of my earlier posts. I still feel a connection between VV/LF; but I doubt LF would try to pull off a game-long gambit.

*Why hasn't hp[leaves] voted Today?

Nice question

Also I have caught something nice:

What is this, claimville?
Let's all draw a big map of PR targets, you guys have a good start =_=;

I'm fine with a massclaim.

See dram

Explain please.

I'm pro-massclaim

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I love how many people went from Mae-null to Mae-scummy.

I hate how it had to come to this. Because claiming at L-1 is pretty risky(quickhammers), I beg for one of you to unvote. I'll claim at L-2.

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Robot Princess of Robot Unicorns. aka beloved princess. The benefit of quickhammering me is much more beneficial.

Now please.

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It refers getting killed at night as malfunctioning and dying. At first I just thought it was flavor; but as EB got poisoned and malfunctioned due to that, it made me think poisoning is the only kill method in this game.

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I am sort of inclined to believe the claim because he did somewhat play like a BP....if BP wasn't an excellent scum fakeclaim. I also hate the fact that

the 'new info' you gave is openly available in thread

and it is quite safe to just say that. And you are the only one who's gunning for the 'SK'(Possibly WIFOM to say 'I pointed out SK!'). I don't really know the proper play for a sketchy BP claim though.

If you can openly conclude that malfunction is the only kill method, you are scum. And it means scum do not have a kill.

BP isn't an excellent scum claim. It's almost never found in games, and it is never verifiable.

Actually my role PM is pretty simplistic. It just lists my rolename, what happens when I die, what my colors are, how the dark forces would like to know my colors and my win condition. The only recognizable flavor is the classic funeral thing.

My stance about the massclaim is pretty normal if you consider when my ability triggers (or is it? Haha, WIFOMing the scum. I may have made a mistake though). Which I'm not going to elaborate.

Also the vig comment seems weird as we had only one kill attempt last night.

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VV:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9350 scum
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9392 scum

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10103 town
Mind Screw 3 town (can't be bothered to find a link)
Martyr Mafia town (can't be bothered to find a link)

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@hp - Breadcrumbs?

Nope. Why do you expect a beloved princess to breadcrumb anyway?

(Also, I may be going blind but which Vig comment)

You're right (about kill attempts). It was dramonic's vig comment.

hp[leaves], why aren't you voting for VasudeVa after 857?

I was waiting him to reply, which he didn't; so

Unsee, See VV

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855 is a good example. He actually tried to look up HP on that utils thing.

I tried MSUtils, and my name can be searched there. Either he is lying or his computer is bugging.

And then he didn't care enough to read the games I posted.

VV: If you are believing farside, then why aren't you voting Seacore?

If you can openly conclude that malfunction is the only kill method, you are scum. And it means scum do not have a kill.

Also this is the phrase I'd like to have replied by you. No question marks; but it is obvious that I want a response.

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VV didn't like me discussing the setup; but now he wants to lynch me by pointing out his setup speculation.

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Let me assure you I'm not switching my vote. Everyone seems to want to believe that the poison is the only method and is the "mafia" method. More power to you. I already explain how I can't see that as having a nonkill mafia is not only frustrating to scum it's unbalanced in my view and I believe I stopped someone from dying. That is my view and it's not changing. I also don't see why Seacore is getting town cred from his blant vote hopping and lack of views on why he finds anyone scum.

My role PM implies that malfunctioning and then dying is the only kill method. And the only "kill" that succeeded last night had that kill method. I'm not up for lynching Seacore unless there are two kills the next night.

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"That first claim didn't count! And I have knowledge about the scum setup that I didn't bother to mention when I was freaking out about a quick hammer!"

No, I didn't backtrack. A day phase is skipped when I'm lynched. Also when I'm killed at night,

[REDACTED]

will happen.

Joy, we're on Easy Mode.

Read in context. The first was directed to VV, who didn't claim to have role-based information and said my information was nothing new.

Alright, Hp.
Can you please post all the abilities of your role. Don't quote your PM just tell us what it does. Do you have any other strings attached?

No, I won't. It isn't a good idea.

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Win Condition: You win when you have acquired 3 points of each colour (Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple), or nothing can prevent the same.

We have 1 colorless Llama and

animorph's flip reveals

VTs have three colors. Unless there is some unconfirmable ingame mechanic that allows scum to farm colors from nowhere, I don't think scum can gather these colors easily in a reasonable timeframe for a mini theme (like...D5-D6?).

animorph's flip reveals

animorph's flip reveals

animorph's flip reveals

I see scumslip

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You can't understand. You have no colors. It has something to do with how many are them.

Let's see:
LF is clueless about how many colors townies have (it's all right he claimed colorless before)
VV is clueless about how many colors townies have (it's NOT all right)

Both LF and VV drew the same conclusion about colors. It is likely that they have the same information about it. They are both colorless. We lynch VV.

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I don't see it as a scum slip unless your trying to say that VV didn't know before Ani flipped and you think he is pointing out how many colors town has.

That's what I'm saying.

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Posting to say there's clearly a link between Socrates and VV.

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First off, how is that a slip? No, really. I do not comprehend. The key words are 'animorph's flip reveals'. And I fail to see how this logically goes anywhere.

If animorph's flip revealed for you that townies have three colors, then you don't. Which makes you colorless scum. Get it?

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I've been saying he's scum from day 1. Why don't you people believe me when I say he is?!

Who?

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I guess he needs a little bit more votes to claim.

Vote RC

(L-2)

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Anyone who doesn't hammer RC below this line is scum

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Starting to post after deadline is a huge scumtell. I think we should lynch him again.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10343 (around day three, I can't remember right off the bat)

Same case as here, someone claims a role that scum needs to kill, but somehow lives through the night.

Scum is lurking and doesn't pay attention to the game.

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My not scum because I'm pretty sure that I had spent all my time doing my hair in my room in the castle. I didn't have much time to kill.

Also you're practically voting for No Lynch. You might want to change that vote.

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Ugh, are we really close to a lynch in two days? I don't like how the wagon is turning to me; but we really shouldn't be lynching this fast.

I think I'm going to vote for Ellibereth for

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EBWOP:

See Ellibereth

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we really shouldn't be lynching this fast.

Why not?

Faster wagons are are more likely to be aimed at townies as scum like to clutter up wagons.

Other than that, it would be nice if we took a look at Ellibereth.

Also, I just realized I'm worthless in this game. I only catch scum by checking interactions and there is none in this game and I'm just a liability to town.

Mod, replace me please

As a final note, confirmed ability =/= confirmed town, Vi.