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for suggesting that everyone should sleep together (orgy!)
also no alliance!
What did Nikanor say first?UK wrote:I wouldn't have cared as much if you actually had good reasons, but you are DIRECTLY PARROTING FARSIDE, who ALSO has my plan completely the fuck wrong. What's even MORE hilarious is you ignore Nikanor, who suggested it FIRST.
because that seemed to be what the talk was about, I didn't comment directly on other peoples talking about the sleep plan, because I thought my statement would cover what I felt about it, if I were to address more statements I'd end up repeating myself when I don't need to.If this is a catch up post why only talk about one player and their plan and nothing else.
In this case if we organise ourselves it will help scum because they will know who is sleeping when and therefore narrow down suspects when a power that disadvantages them is usedhank you for making it more obvious you are scum. Not only do you not read the game and instead piggy back other logic, but you also propose something rather anti town since town being organized is BAD FOR SCUM.
It wont be because there is only aOh yes, because it wouldn't be obvious ANYWAY due to people staying awake during the day and suffering no ill effects.
I disagree, it gives a very small advantage to the town and a great advantage to the scum, who already have enough of an advantage.Organizing sleep schedules at the least puts town and scum at the same level of information, with scum having a slight edge
see how it says chance, I dont like the idea on relying on CHANCE that mafia don't sleep and are the only ones not to sleep and ALSO end up with their votes being fucked with of which there is only a CHANCE of.MOD wrote:3a. If a player stays awake for more than two consecutive phases, there is a small chance that the player's votes and actions will be either randomized or fail to occur.
3b. After four consecutive phases without sleep, the chance of the above events occurring greatly increases.
if PR are active only on certain nights then they have a more select group that they know who PR belong to theyby eliminating more useful townies sooner.UK wrote:Please, tell me PRECISELY how scum supposedly gets ANY advantage from organized sleep cycles.
yes an organised town is great against scum, but I still think that everyone knowing when everyone is planned to sleep provides more benefit to scum than town.UK wrote:Oh, and finally, an organized town is scary for scum in GENERAL, not specifically related to sleep cycles. Towns that are willing to actually plan will slowly circle in on scum as more information becomes available. You and Vasu seem rather...oh, NERVOUS, about this idea.
though I didn't directly mention his name I thought the very fact that I'd said how the night 3/4 everyone sleeps plans would fail, mostly because there is only a chance of votes mucking up.farside wrote:Why didn't you comment about nik's plan?
that sound even worse than organising everyone to sleep.Nik wrote:The current plan is to assign half the town to sleep during the day, and the rest have to figure out when to sleep on their own time, right?
The same way we "know" who scum are by who sleeps when, it narrows down the list of suspects, unfortunately when it comes down to narrowing down the mafia they could each easily have a different night or day that they sleep during therefore leaving a mafia always around to make the kill, how do you not understand that?UK wrote:@easjo1: Um...no? How are they going to know what PRs are active and who's a PR? You still haven't adequately explained this? ever?
I thought I'd adressed the most recent plan as well? If I haven't do you care to quote it for me, so that I can adress it?UK wrote:@Easjo2: From what I remember, that was actually the original night sleeping plan that you have chosen to ignore the details of. Though, it does have enough flaws so as not to be worthwhile.
I don't see any benefits only detriments, we still let the scum kill while not being able to figure out who they are, while they can also narrow down the pool of player with select PRsUK wrote:@easjo3: Have you been ignoring every benefit mentioned thus far? Just because we don't necessarily prevent the scum kill doesn't mean that we still don't get valuable information about who the scum are by organized sleep cycles, especially organized DAY sleep cycles. I also think the way I proposed handling day sleep would increase the chances of a situation where scum would be caught.
because you were the first person to propose the idea of sychronised sleep, you did it in your first post which was also the second player post.UK wrote:@easjo4: So, why am I scummy and Nik's not? Since he was the one who proposed the plan? Is it because there was no one accusing nik that you could piggyback off of? Oh, yes, it is.
I'm not calling it OMGUS.UK wrote:@easjo5: Well, while you and Vasu both suck, I love how you are trying to invalidate my imminently valid case on you by calling it OMGUS. Scummy move there.
???? what is this about?UK wrote:@easjo6: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...I think Nik very desperately needs to reread.
you mean I'm voting for the person who first proposed sychronised sleep.Nik wrote:easjo: You're not simply scummy for opposing organized sleep cycles. You're scummy for jumping on a terrible wagon, as UK has said
Can you explain how this makes any sense?farside wrote:I still vote that those we find the scummiest dont' sleep during the day. If any person we find scummy sleeps during the day they should be lynched.
how do you know that?UK wrote:Despite the fact that there are VERY few powers that make themselves known to the target?
your logic is somehow we divine who is mafia based on who is sleeping regardless of the fact that there could be some mafia sleeping and some mafia awake and therefore you don't narrow down the list of suspects at all.UK wrote:To be clear, your logic fail is that the mafia somehow know a supposed power was used.
Its a bit hard for me to ignore UK, especially when all she seems to do is yell at me and call me stupid, forgive me but I don't like being called stupid just because I see things differently.As of now I am not ignoring easjo its just that her posts seem really insubstantial. Shes not scum hunting or doing anything really, besides arguing with UK.
I dont like it when you call my opinion stupid because I can't comment on it or indeed argue my point back, because calling an idea stupid gives nothing for me to go off of, which is why I made the post earlier..See, there's that strawman again. I'm not saying you are stupid because you disagree. It's because the substance of your disagreement is TERRIBLE LOGIC. And even then, I only think your logic is stupid. No, I think you, personally, are stupid, when you ignore every VALID refutation I have for your logic. You don't even try to answer it. You just say "Wellp, I don't see any refutation now stop calling me stupid it makes me cry"
That's not going to fly. So, please, excuse me if I correctly called you out for doing something stupid, and then correctly called you stupid for ignoring the points against you and acting like they aren't there.
and then in the very next post of UK's she basically did a big fuck you, something that was not needed, Like I said, try and restate the points of why my logic on the sleep is super flawed and why your logic on the sleep isn't flawed, then maybe I'll be able to see where you are coming from because at the moment I don't.easjo wrote:also would you stop just saying my thoughts on the matter are stupid and actually tell me why they are stupid and why you refute what I believe to be a better way? It'll be more helpful to the discussion, saying its stupid is one thing, provide the reasoning behind it, maybe at least you'll help me see how you can think organised sleep is a good thing.
I don't care if you insult me or my ideas but at least add more to why the ideas or me are stupid.
and you don't find UK's arguing as bad? especially after I asked nicely for her case on the sleep to be restated and asked nicely to be told how my logic and opinion on the sleep is more flawed, and she responded with what was effectively a fuck you?besides arguing with UK.
Well I look at your posts when you respond to mine, yes from the start, but I still don't see how this sleep synchronizing is more beneficial to town than mafia, or indeed beneficial to the town at all, I asked you to restate the reasoning just incase I'd been mistaken in my reasoning, since it is obvious that there is nothing more to the synchronized sleep cycles than I already thought, I'm still happy where I'm standing and will defend it to my lynch.I've stated it at least three fucking times, jo. I've quoted it at least twice. My patience IS NOT ETERNAL. In fact, it is quite short. THE INFORMATION IS THERE. I've pointed it out several times. If you can't be assed to look at it, then you deserve to be lynched on that alone.
A) Yes organises the town, which is usually good, but in this circumstance isn'tUK wrote:A) Organizes town
B) While not guaranteed to catch scum, has a far better chance of doing so than not synchronizing would (granted, that chance is still small. But better than 0, as your lack of plan would be)
C) Planned sleep cycles prevent town from derping up and causing scum to wake up with a majority, though this is more relevant in later game.
D) There is a fourth reason. I'm not sure if I should say it at this time since it invalidates itself if said. Suffice it to say it has good use for catching scum not directly related to the mechanic. But there is a strong fourth reason I haven't stated before and am not stating yet for organized sleep that extrapolates from the idea of organized town.
the mafia doesn't gain information of when we're sleeping and be able to use it against us, knowing that they don't need to worry about certain players because they're asleep thereby targeting the one they know to be awake because they are currently a bigger threat to them. Also narrow down the pool of players that certain powers/abilities could come from.UK wrote:Since we're all repeating ourselves, how about you, once again, state how NOT organizing sleep is at ALL a good idea?
anyone see it yet?I'm a bit suspect of Nikanor, something has been off, was discussing it with UK, until I was resurrected, at which point reading through posts, everyone I'd like to direct you attention to post 330, anyone spot anything?
what sorry I didn't see that questionDid you self-ressurect?