Mini 246: Unknown Role Mafia - Mod Abandoned

[Jentsu]

I will lock the thread, process all abilities that any players have.

So, how does sending in ability targets work, if we don't even know if we have something to do?

[Jentsu]

I would assume that if you have nothing special it'd just be a regular vote.

So you mean the prayers are how you target? That'd suck if a cop fingers scum, votes him off, and then loses his next investigation because he used the prayer to vote for that scum.

[Jentsu]

Yeah, but it means that scum is going to have a hard time manipulating town lynvhes.

Ah, good point.

I guess it's balanced, then. Good jorb, bob. ^_^

[Jentsu]

I suggest, and I think Iammars will agree, a re-roll

Original Roll String: 2d12 (STATIC)

2 12-Sided Dice: (2, 7) = 9

NICE.

[Jentsu]

I keep seeing one thing with this: The assumption we have a vig. Do you realize how evil bob would've had to have been to put a vig in our game? The vig wouldn't know if he was pro-town or an SK!

@Iammars: How can people not spell "I am Mars"?

[Jentsu]

I don't know. It's quite stupid actually. People have told me that it's because they don't realize that. I say that it's a lousy excuse.

Especially if they look at your location line, it should kinda pop out...

[Jentsu]

How's this: Everyone vote for someone no one else is voting for. It will help us figure out who the scum are, definitely. Then we might not even need to know what our roles are if we figure out who's killing people.

Note that this is INCREDIBLY dangerous if the scum really do know who each other are, and thus could set someone up...

Also, if the scum really don't know who each other are, and I turn out to be scum... I hope this plan doesn't work...

That would really suck, making up an awesome plan that catches scum, and look at this! It turns out you're scum. = \ Teh suck.

[Jentsu]

How's this: Everyone vote for someone no one else is voting for. It will help us figure out who the scum are, definitely. Then we might not even need to know what our roles are if we figure out who's killing people.

Note that this is INCREDIBLY dangerous if the scum really do know who each other are, and thus could set someone up...

Also, if the scum really don't know who each other are, and I turn out to be scum... I hope this plan doesn't work...

That would really suck, making up an awesome plan that catches scum, and look at this! It turns out you're scum. = \ Teh suck.

Yeah, I know. I already asked Bob though, and the scum doesn't know who each other are.

Omg, wouldn't that be weird if it turns out you were scum, and all along, you worked so hard to catch them?

I hate it when I'm scum and think I'm not...

[Jentsu]

You know what would be awesome? The mafia kill one of their own, not knowing about it.

@Crola: How can someone act scummy? The scum don't know who they are!

[Jentsu]

I have to agree that there is little logic in trying to lynch the scummiest player, since the scum don't even know that they are supposed to act scummy.

Thus, I see little point in doing anything besides having each person first claim who they will vote for, and then follow through with it, making sure that each person votes for a different person.

Okay, I'll vote Bacade.

For the slow: I'm just kidding.

[Jentsu]

Vite: Jentsu

For blatantly spelling someone's username wrong.

Vpyr: Iammers

For obv scumnes!

[Jentsu]

All for one under, depending on what bob tells us about how it goes for ties.

Obv, if he says ties lynch all parties, we wouldn't want to do that, but I doubt he'd let us do that, since it could be really good at taking out the final two scum or whatever, once we find them.

[Jentsu]

There are no nights in this game, as they are spent praying or sleeping. No secret communication is therefore allowed at any time, even between mafia.

To me, this sounds like the mafia knows who the other mafia is, but they can't speak with them. I know this is Unknown Role, but this rule gives me the feeling that mafia knows eachother.

Yeah, I know. I already asked Bob though, and the scum doesn't know who each other are.

[Jentsu]

Hah! Beat you!

I'm going to kill you!

*
*Not in game terms, I think

[Jentsu]

No. If I think the day is dragging on without votes, I'll let you all know, or if one person hasn't voted I'll prod them, but otherwise people's voting or not will be kept quiet.

Out of curiosity, will there be a vote count at the end of the day and will it so who's voting for who?

Also, since everyone is voting for the person below them in an attempt for a no-lynch, shouldn't we all just vote "no-lynch"?

No, because then we don't get to test our abilities.

You really don't get how this sort of game works, huh?

Any, vote's been in.

[Jentsu]

I don't think a FOS as such is appropriate, since enderx didn't know if he was scum at the time he voted. Since n_lich got three votes I think it's likely that one of the people voting for him was scum. Unfortunately, people voting incorrectly in the first day has complicated this signifigantly.

FOS: Jentsu

, as we're fairly sure that he was voting for n_lich yesterday.

Also, does anyone think it'd be a good idea to do a roll call of who has figured out their role and who hasn't? I don't _think_ this information will benifit the scum, but I might be missing something.

What?

Was a third person ignoring the plan and voting for n_lich as well? If not I'd say either EnderX or Jentsu is probably scum.

Huh? Why?

Remeber, guys, I was SUPPOSED to vote for n_lich, it's not like I lied about it. Also, remember the rules, the mafia don't know who each other are, so we didn't go and plan it, and furthermore, why the hell would I, as mafia, make it so plainly obvious that it's me by lynching the person in front of me?

Also, apparently, I have a double-vote, or EnderX has a double-vote, or someone else voted for n_lich. Also, TSAGod and Crola apparently have negative votes... Doctor-ish roles, I guess, which could prevent (if they worked together) up to four people from voting someone.

Really, though, the only person I think is suspicious is bdonlan, for trying to paint me as scum just because I voted the person I was supposed to vote.

[Jentsu]

Wait, Iammars and Crola both don't have votes on them, and there are 3 votes on n_lich, which would mean that EnderX and Captainducttape both voted for n_lich IMHO. I think they are probably scum and found out about it somehow.

I didn't see that Captainducttape didn't vote...

Nevermind the double-voting thing. = \

[Jentsu]

Wait, Iammars and Crola both don't have votes on them, and there are 3 votes on n_lich, which would mean that EnderX and Captainducttape both voted for n_lich IMHO. I think they are probably scum and found out about it somehow.

I didn't see that Captainducttape didn't vote...

Nevermind the double-voting thing. = \

EBWOP: Didn't vote the way he was supposed to.

[Jentsu]

The mod has stated the scum didn't know they were scum. Don't try to outguess the mod

I'm not trying to outguess the mod. I hadn't seen his official response.

Although I also hadn't thought of vote reflection, but I don't think that happened here. I think this was a cold, hard act of scum voting for other people.

But if scum don't know they're scum, how could they have known?

My guess is that both of them just strangely piled up on the same person as me, voting before the plan went through, just like EnderX did.

[Jentsu]

Again, according to the mod the scum didn't know who they were on day 1. I do think one of the people on n_lich should be suspect, though I don't know which of them (or indeed if they all are) are the scum. Jentsu _was_ rather defensive though, and that should be taken into account. But until CDT checks in I don't think we should make any final decisions.

I was defensive? Yes, I defended myself, because you attacked and singled me out of the three, when I was the one person who was doing things right.

[Jentsu]

I wasn't singling you out. I was pointing to both you and EnderX, I simply didn't notice CDT at that point.

And how many of us did you FOS, again?

[Jentsu]

All right, I know what my role is. And it's not cop either.

Speculation: Mafia have to be both voting for a person to kill them.

Well, I'm glad you know yours, because my night PM only confused me to hell. = \

@bdolan - nevertheless, you still FOS'd the person who actually was supposed to be voting that person. Similarly, it would've been pretty hard to miss that Ender didn't vote his target, and that's why there was another two votes on mine (however, I did miss that there were two people who missed their targets...muh. I'm just confused).

[Jentsu]

When the scum doesn't know who they are?

Which makes me wonder, do the scum still not know who each other (or for that matter, themselves) are? Because that'd make it awfully unfair for them.

[Jentsu]

My speculation is that the mafia can't kill unless both of their votes are on the same person.

A good point by EnderX, there... Why

do

you say both, as though you know there are only two mafia?

FOS: Iammars

[Jentsu]

Interesting... I'm wondering, is it really at the point where at least one townie would have to vote for, say, Crola before he'd die, thanks to his votedoctoring?

Also, should we continue doing public votes, or keep them secret, so as not to telegraph power roles any further?

Also, How the HELL would a vote-moving power work? Wouldn't that need TWO targets, one for who to change, and one for who to change to? So, what, Bob goes and tells the guy after he's sent in one vote, "Btw, you need to send in a second vote"?

[Jentsu]

Wait, didn't we agree that we weren't going to vote for Iammars except for Beaker?

And you changed your vote? The rules say we can't...

Bacde, please just clear this up, can

you

or can you not change your vote?

Thanks.

[Jentsu]

Alright, I've voted.

Who's left?

[Jentsu]

Hope whoeveritis voted. = \

Unless they're scum? That'd be nice if they didn't vote.

[Jentsu]

Hope whoeveritis voted. = \

Unless they're scum? That'd be nice if they didn't vote.

How would you know if it would be nice for them not to vote if they were scum?

Because then a scum wouldn't get a vote?

[Jentsu]

Let me reprahse that...

How do you know you're not scum?

That would suck greatly if I were scum in this game, after trying to think of some way to figure them out and all...

[Jentsu]

omg, liek info fishing, obv!



See y'all tomorrow.

[Jentsu]

Hmm... But if bdonlan didn't vote, and there's 11 votes thrown out there (3, 3, 2, 1 and -2, and -2), then what happened to make the extra one?

[Jentsu]

Iammars: I voted for you.

You voted Beaker. At least you were telling the truth.

[Jentsu]

Iammars: I voted for you.

You voted Beaker. At least you were telling the truth.

EBWOP: Not that I'm doubting you, I'm just throwing it out there.

[Jentsu]

Vote Cop?

Something like that. It's just I got a PM that said you voted for Beaker. I told you I was a bit confused having seen this night one, wondering what the hell it meant. I'm guessing that's kind of what I'm getting.

[Jentsu]

Hmm... Interesting. I got an amusing message last night that suggest that we all vote Iammars. Whoever sent me that message says that Iammars is scum.

What do you mean "whoever sent me that message"? You should know who sent it, there's not way to get a PM and not know who sent it.

He got the message via the mod, obv.

[Jentsu]

I think Crola should be the only person who votes for whoever Crola votes for, as it is possible that his vote increases by one each day.

Wait, rephrase that to make it make sense.

He thinks your vote counted 1 day 1, 2 day 2, and will count more each following day.

Or at least that's what I think he's saying.

[Jentsu]

I think that Bacde might have switched off of you, Iammars.

And I take it that if Bacde switches his vote, nothing happens.

I think Crola should be the only person who votes for whoever Crola votes for, as it is possible that his vote increases by one each day.

No, so far I have beaker, Nai, Jentsu and PBuG voting for me. And I only have three votes

And someone else could have voted for the same person Crola did.

But that would mean there were 11 votes, when according to Bob, bdonlan didn't vote. That means someone counted for more than 1, or Crola's went from -2 to -1.

[Jentsu]

Still waiting for twilight to end. Maybe we should all place bets on when night will come. That gives us stuff to do. My guess is by Saterday. Whoever wins gets wine in front of them.

And if we lose?

Hah! I win! I get wine, you guys, umm, since you lost, you have to tell me everything you know about your roles. You can't argue, ou guys lost the bet fair and square.

No, you only got wine IN FRONT of you. You don't get to DRINK it. Can I hear a w00t for loopholes?

w00t

[Jentsu]

This is a hard choice to make, but I feel I have to do it. Already posting about it today was a bad mistake. Was hoping I could play it right, but... This has turned into a silent WIFOM situation for me.

I've found I'm a cop. I sent my vote in for PBug the first night like I should have. My PM said, in essence, that he's 'safe'. I thought that meant I was the doc. But last night I voted for Iammars, thinking that, if I was the doc, I could save him in case someone else decided to attack him. However, my role PM came back saying he was "uncool" and such. This makes me believe I'm a cop and that Iammars is mafia. I'm willing to be killed tomarrow if I'm wrong and I'm a paranoid or insane cop, but tonight I'd like to see Iammars dead.

Okay.

Should I use my vote helping string him up, or to check someone's voting? Obv don't say who if you want the second one, and neither will I, so that I can keep everyone honest for fear of LAL.

[Jentsu]

What's LAL?

Lynch All Liars: If someone gets caught in a lie, lynch them.

Actually, I believe that Jenstu is mafia. I'm a vote cop as well. That's why I said that I'd be able to test if Beaker was a vote mover last night.

I'm thinking not. Even if you are, though, is there not the possibility that there are two of us, much as there are two doctor roles?

[Jentsu]

My result still says you are mafia. Jentsu, did you get YOUR result in the middle of the day? Or, rather, has anyone gotten their results before night?

I get mine right after I send it in.

[Jentsu]

I'm glad not too much happened while my computer got blown up... Just a lot.

...huh?!? WTF.

Maybe somebody has an automatic killing ability.

This might just go along with Iammars' theory of if both of the mafia vote the same person, he gets nightkilled.

[Jentsu]

You know what would be kind of funny? If it got down to what would be endgame, where the scum outnumber the others, but they still don't know who they are and end up killing themselves off.

So, does anyone know they're scum yet? Feel free to share if you do. We might not lynch you...

[Jentsu]

You know what would be kind of funny? If it got down to what would be endgame, where the scum outnumber the others, but they still don't know who they are and end up killing themselves off.

So, does anyone know they're scum yet? Feel free to share if you do. We might not lynch you...

Why do you have Aylen's avatar, and what is it supposed to be?

Aelyn got it from MiseTings, from which I was too lazy to log on to and steal the smilie. That guy, Trey Van Cleave, is famous for sneaking a peak at another guy's cards when he wasn't supposed to. Basically, it's just like *shifty eyes*, kind of meaning like it's a trick.

[Jentsu]

This game is a good example of the chaos theory.

You mean like, "YOU'RE SCUM, OH HOW CHAOTIC?"

Voting after this post. Die, scum.

[Jentsu]

This game is a good example of the chaos theory.

You mean like, "YOU'RE SCUM, OH HOW CHAOTIC?"

Voting after this post. Die, scum.

No, I mean like the theory that states that even if you carefully make an outcome per logic, it is only as good as a random guess.

Okay, I just wanted to say you were scum.

Have a nice day.

[Jentsu]

Sweet.

Why was I voted, and where did the negative votes go?

Also, I now believe that Iammars' speculation about there only being 2 scum was just to throw us off, seeing as how there's 2 votes for Nai...or maybe he didn't really know and was guessing. Regardless, I believe there are now two scum left.

[Jentsu]

This game got kind of dull with the lack of activity. I know I've not been helping it along much, but well, I don't really know what I could do to help it.

[Jentsu]

That was interesting.

=\ What are we going to do to figure this out, keep lynching at random?

Someone please figure something out, because I can't really see how we're getting anywhere.

[Jentsu]

I'm scum?

Fuckmuffins. =\ Now I wish I had voted Nai last night instead of Ender.

[Jentsu]

You didn't know that you were scum?

If I'm scum, then I seriously didn't know. =\ I honestly even voted for EnderX yesterday instead of Nai, who I now see I should've voted for. If we were to ask everyone who their votes were for, it would show I'm telling the truth about it, short other scum who know they're scum (apparently two, from the votes on Nai) lying about it.

Also, how is this possibly an attempt to keep votes off of me? We've had a cop who has proven his sanity nail me as scum. What, is this some sort of scum gambit by him? If it is, how did he know Iammars was scum? I never knew.

Well, actually, he could've been scum with Iammars and they knew, and he turned Iammars in, and I wouldn't have known since I'm not scum...

Meh. =\

*sends in self-vote*

[Jentsu]

Crola is sane right?

In real life or the game?

No and n/a, respectively.

[Jentsu]

Who are we waiting on? Does the lynch target need to vote, if they're going to die anyway? Maybe that's metagaming, but this "everyone's-choices-must-be-in-but-secret" thing is seriously cramping my style (and interest).

I voted 10 days ago, if you're talking about me.