Mini 1024 - Pop Mafia - Game Ovah

[Faraday]

/confirm.

[Faraday]

We should lynch TL.

[Faraday]

I think it's more likely there's only two scum, but four people are in the dark right now.

Also what are you basing this on? Where did you pull the number 2 from?

[Faraday]

Is anyone else a pop "star" they've never heard of? Cause I have no clue who I am.


Also VOTE: iiiiiiiq for having so many letters that say so little.

Nope - Reasonably well known. I'd have assumed everyone's charactwer would be reasonably famous too.

Vote Taz

Whenever I knew what the number of mafia in a 12-people games was, there were 2 mafia members. I have not played a lot of games, though.

Can you show me a 12 player game you played in w/ a 2 scum?

[Faraday]

My mentioning TL has everything to do with this horrendous avatar (due to an ongoing game), it was a joke. I don't find what he did scummy.

[Faraday]

I agree with Icerint. TL's response to getting called out was defensive in the wrong sort of way. And it's much better logic than going after Taz for pre-game setup speculation.

Vote: TheLonging

'Defensive in the wrong sort of way', that's awfully vague? Do you decide if the defensiveness is scummy on a case by case basis or something? What in particular makes you think this particular bit of defensiveness is scummy.

Disagree, Taz vote has a chance of going somewhere and has POTENTIAL.

[Faraday]

Jason coaching Switz? But Switz wasn't set-up speculating, he's (jason) got his vote on taz who was. No coaching, move alone and all that.

BRB

[Faraday]

Never mind, I thought I'd recognised Tazaro's name from somewhere else but it's a dead end.

[Faraday]

oh god i feel like shit suddenly. v/la untill i get better.

[Faraday]

The Captain Meister wagon that people have hastily got on to: can you say day one mislynch?

Huh? Can you? That's a bit of a jump, I too think Captain's more than likely to be town than average but there's something about the phrasing here that seems off.

Switz is bothering me too but I can't put my finger on why.

[Faraday]

It's stupid to vote for that. What's wrong with my understanding that two scum in a twelve player theme game seems balanced to me coupled with my experience with two scum in a twelve player game?.

it may imply some sort of inside knowledge, If you'd assumed 3 scum I'd have not thought anything of it as that's the norm and pretty much what always happens, the fact you don't make me question why you're thinking there's 2. so it's not that there's set-up speculation but the nature of it. also stop the ongoing games references plz, it's not very subtle. that said...

[Faraday]

It was natural to the conversation with Gandalf; I wasn't blurting forced speculation into the picture.

if this is true it does lessen the tell somewhat, especially since it was in response to what someone else says.

edit: yeah.

[Faraday]

MOD : prod zoneace

Last post tuesday.

[Faraday]

Ani and Captain are reading town to me. Also think i know who captain is but ehhhh and all that. ;D

[Faraday]

Yeah, I checked your other games and that does seem to be the truth.

Unvote

Don't like your unvote, mass fos posts, but I think the originasl point (set-up speculation) is a null tell so yeah.

[Faraday]

But now you've got a vote on no one, surely it's better served on one of those you find suspicious.

It's always helpful to name said inactives.

Korshshshsdhshs or whatever needs to post too. Everyone else seems okay offhand.

[Faraday]

Making every attempt not to discuss on going games, but I see no difference in your playstyle between here and there.

Huh this is interesting. Might need to meta, I think aside from his early posting Tazaro looks like an enthusiastic and overeager newish player.

@ Captain I'll guess after game, I'm probably wrong and don't want to damage my ego if I am

[Faraday]

Nationality claim is stupid I think in that it serves no point and we get nothing from it.

The usual purpose of a name claim is to lock scum into their name claims and getting flavour to match it early or at least it was in [REDACTED]. Or at least that's the theory. I'm not against a mass name claim but I'll only agree on the condition 1) everyone does it and 2) it's done very quickly. CHeck the mini theme I modded (A game of thrones mafia) where scum managed to have the town waste the whole day fucking around arguing name claims. We're on 2 week deadlines here, I don't think we've got the time to fuck around going back and forth over a plan in all honesty.

Could someone explain the Captain Votes concisely please?

@ Iec the reason I'm not voting tazaro is because I feel the initial point I made against him is weak, I don't particularly like his reaction either actually (mass fos looks weird to me(

[Faraday]

Vote Switz

This is mostly gut, I think the early vote on TL feels forced, I know it's early game but a twinge is a twinge. I think his initial reason for voting Captain is BS. I mean how the fuck is inventing evidence a solid scum strategy, I generally assume scum try not to act any more moronic than the average player.

[Faraday]

Mod PROD Korashk

if you haven't already.

[Faraday]

@ Faraday -- The point of a nationality claim is that we can rule out the value of "ZA claimed unknown clearly he is scum"-type thinking depending upon what people claim.

Well the problem with this is we're not Zoneace and we don't actually know who he's familiar with. What happens if he turns out to be someone reasonably famous that he just doesn't know? Is he lying? I mean I dunno if a nationality claim helps narrow that down.

[Faraday]

looks like banter to me.

Zoneace looks town in the exchange with Switz, I don't like the votes on him really. I see him as town. Nopoint's catch up post is okay, in that I agree with a fair amount of his reads.

[Faraday]

wait why are people rubbishing the smiley theory? i've seen scum caught with it before (ooba caught stef in a large normal, .GIF mafia I think), it's player specific though and from what i've seen of gandalf he's prone to using them anyway. I think you were in cross edge bastard mafia, gandalf?

captain continues to look town

[Faraday]

e_e

[Faraday]

WON'T BE AROUND TILL SATURDAY PROBABLY. MISS ME

[Faraday]

v/la next thursday top sunday.

not seeing why not making a case is scummy, more of a playstyle quirk. he could be making it up (his suspicion) but that seems an awfully dumb strategy.

[Faraday]

Too bad that Captain Meister has gotten himself into a bad corner. He really can't defend himself against what he said that ruins his credibility.

UGH THIS FUCKING POST

[Faraday]

more switz votes would be good too.


i'm pretty sure there's players I haven't specifically mentioned but find have a read on, the idea that scum captain was being opportunistic seems a stretch to me, his point about gandalf not really bringing anything to the table is correct.

[Faraday]

No jason, I think CM's town. I don't think his stuff w/ Switz looks like bussing.

Town:
Faraday
Tazaro
Captain

Leaning town:
Iec
Jason ( sorta, mostly for meta reasons mostly..I've seen him as scum...and well he seems more relaxd and at ease here and he appears more effecctive as town)
Ani
Nopoint

OTHERS:
Ghostwriter
Gandalf
Zoneace
TL (he's a bizzare one anyway )

Scum:
Switz


GW/Zwitz/Gandalf scumteam mebbe? Need to look for interactions and stuff, but I think switz is the best wagon atm.
I need to re-read ZONE as he doesn't stand out as scummy but more-so neutral. Tazaro's posting really does seem to get more town as he posts.

[Faraday]

people not voting switz/cm are wasting their vote atm, as no other wagon looks viable.

[Faraday]

reminded to say something about my hypothetical scumteam before day ends, please. Just noticed something that I think makes it unlikely, so yeah.

[Faraday]

*remind

[Faraday]

ghostwriter's been really quiet, I honestly can't remember anything he's done which is a bad sign. looks like my v/la won't matter in this game so much, as it'll be night. still good catch on the deadline i'd completely forgotten.

[Faraday]

i'm v/la atm, as noted last week.

no need for cm to elaborate on his softclaim at this stage, though I don't really think it was neccessary to softclaim, but that's beside the point now as it's done.

[Faraday]

^ what is this


tazaro's fucking obviously town. so is cm. so is jason it seems.

let me see who I want to lynch.

[Faraday]

Vote Ghostwriter

could also vote Gandalf quite easily, I think his trying to get more info from cm is scummy. need to read the last few pages later, too tired now >_>

[Faraday]

Guys is Ghostwriter invisible? I mean I could HAMMAH Gandalf to quote rosso carne but I think GW's more likely scum at this stage of the game.

[Faraday]

Time to massclaim. Popcorn seems best. Any objections? I don't care, fuck off we're massclaiming

[Faraday]

This is MYLO, not LYLO scratch that. We should actually probably No Lynch quickly OR massclaim and try to lynch. massclaiming + lynching is my preference (yeah blah blah blah odds, but scum never kill a likely lynch target).

Everyone should weigh in with their preference though quickly. Nothing else till then, as if we go down the NL route less info re: roles the better.

[Faraday]

derp massclaim it is.

i'd like ghostwriter to go first.

[Faraday]

Fine. I am Lady Gaga, Diva Roleblocker. Every night I have the option of halting all actions someone performs. Used it once, and that was last night. It would appear that I am the cause of TL freaking out today.

I'd like to hope that's not his OMG SPAS ATTACK reason. seconding nopoint's question too.

[Faraday]

FERGIE (god she's awful) and i'm a reporter, basically can find out if someone leaves their house at night.

iec ----> went somewhere night 1.
ghostwriter --- no result night 2. means I was either roleblocked or he went nowhere. leaning towards the former actually.

[Faraday]

CM's up. Also Taz should fullclaim his targets when everyone's gone.

[Faraday]

I'm Ke$ha, Diva Vigilante.
But I have to aim at someone before I can kill them. I aimed at Jason N1, which is why I said we weren't lynching him D2, because I'd be killing him anyway N2.

The fact that my kill went through means either BOTH the mafia and I targeted Jason for a kill, or the mafia kill got stopped somehow.
Discuss.

only way the kill could be stopped seems to be via roleblocking/someone lying about being a bulletproof.
this means that if the mafia didn't kill jason that THELONGING is scum. this also means that tazaro is scum, of course. hey Tazaro who else is in your group? this is why this info would have been helpful now.

The other option is the scum killed jason. I guess it's possible although he wasn't actually doing a whole lot.

I guess we could always NL to see what happens but the scum will likely NK/nothing will happen useful anyway. My information is pretty useless, I guess it works well in tandem with jason's but that's about it.

[Faraday]

going to need to re-read captain's day 1 to see what he thought of jason. last time a vigilante claimed w.o any independant kills they were scum, i don't wanna get burned again. althought ftr i do think this is legit there were probably better ways to play the role.

[Faraday]

Checking in quickly before class, and since this is one of my 2 games in MYLO it's priority.

It is possible there's a mafia rb'er along w/ GW. This would mean he didn't block me.
It's possible he's the mafia rb'er* who did block me.

*It's very ballsy to claim rb'er considering the current metagame as town, but I'm not sure how many games GW has played recently.

Tazaro being able to recruit mafia goon's means ....TL isn't really clear.

In fact fmpov TL or GW should probably be the lynch for today. I don't *think* they're scum together (claiming a roleblock on a scum-mate in mylo is weird)

[Faraday]

iec how does your investigation abillity work on scum?

the cop one i mean, if you investigated a mafia goon what would you get.

[Faraday]

jesus I totally forgot ani was in the game.


Also

Vote TheLonging

discuss.

[Faraday]

There is no obvious contradiction though. I was roleblocked, and since scum blocker IS the most common role in the game it's not unlikely there is one.

I kinda just voted to stir shit up though.

The 2nd point is WIFOM. I see what you are talking about but it's not really reliable.

It's...not really WIFOM though is it, it's whether you believe he set the claim up or not. I think it's pretty fair to say he's not scum at this stage though.

Oh brb want to check something.

[Faraday]

Jarti has no modding meta that I can find, so yeah. Also there's no indication of a double kill but once again without modding meta and etc.

Unvote

I really want Ani to claim.

Mod Prod?

[Faraday]

What the fuck does that even mean? I'm discussing 'real stuff', so I've no idea what you're talking about.

[Faraday]

The obvious thing to try and work out is if we think the scum shot jason. Given the fact CM had been hinting at not lynching jason I guess it's somewhat plausible, but in that case CM would be the one scum would logically shoot, or at least that's what I'd do. Obv if we blieve scum wouldn't kill jason then TL is scum.

I think CM is town. Taz is town, quite obviously. The problem is GW's been lurky all game and I honestly don't remember a lot he's done, TL's just been sorta..there. His reaction at the start of this day was 'interesting' though.

[Faraday]

I've just sorta been there? Faraday you know better than this, I've been here THE WHOLE DAMN GAME POSTING CONTENT. My reaction at the start of the day was that I COULD NOT FUCKING BELIEVE TAZARO WAS TOWN, and when he recruited me, I was surprised because, well, I was going to vote him first thing of the day. Reading is fun!

Also Faraday see my point about this whole issue with vig + scum thing, which you seem to blissfully ignore

sure you've been posting, and it's been content but you've really done nothing for me, either townie or scummy hence the being just there. I read that, not sure where you're getting the mistaken belief I didn't, actually.

i didn't ignore it, what point have you mentioned? quote so I can agree/disagree I guess, too lazy to look back.

[Faraday]

I'll hammer whomever you guys choose; not very much choosing going on, though.

Um, taz. You're about as confirmed as possible. You really should be dictating to everyone else if anything.

[Faraday]

I knew his claim perfectly, it's GW's role + Faraday's role that can't make sense.

why are you trying to make it seem like it's not possible for me and gw to be town here. obviously even from your point of view (ignoring any netural look) it actually is.

i've seen your vig stuff,you made a few points none of which I thought were that important. what one do you think I shouldn't be ignoring.

[Faraday]

Faraday: No, it could be possible that one of you are scum, or hell, if there's some excellent scum play going on here, even both of you could be scum.

no, that's not really what I asked. you're making it seem like at least one of us HAS to be scum (it's their roles that don't make sense etc) when that's obviously not true.

did you quote the vig thing yet, or did I miss it? what was your point on that?

[Faraday]

You didn't miss a lot

Me, TL and GW seem to be the only ones talking. MORE INPUT

[Faraday]

I don't like Faraday's TL vote simply due to the fact that TL didn't claim a PR. REALLY don't like it after GW hopped onto the bandwagon after almost certainly having damning role information and not voting up until now.


^^^ I'm failing to see what this is in relation to, could you explain it a little more plz? I don't think TL being a PR has anything to do with my vote.

[Faraday]

The GW point is valid though i guess.

Ugh the longing's a scummy fucker regardless of alignment Obviously catching the scum roleblocker SHOULD be priority.

[Faraday]

Actually do we have a list of claims? I noticed a trend with the claims but I don't want to outguess the mod too much.

[Faraday]

]
The bolded is in reference to my position that I don't believe we should lynch anybody but a claimed PR today (TL claimed Vanilla). The italics are in reference to how GW reacted to the wagon which reinforces my belief that TL must be town (since GW did not act like town RB; so therefore he's a scum RB and no scum RB would try to buss in this situation.)

Oh I'd forgotten you wanted to lynch from the claimed PR pool. That clears that up.

Now just vote GW since I do have a great point against him and lets have either scum buss or Taz come with us since he's about as confirmed as you can get.

Vote GW

(the reason we're not no lynching is obvious, who do you think is going to die? protip : it's tazaro so it serves us no purpose other than letting scum quickhammer easier)


Iec, 2 scum roleblockers doesn't strike me as unlikely at all, really.

The trend I noticed was that each PR waas 'weakened' in some way compared to what it could be - i.e. vig can't shoot every night, I'm a weak tracker, jason's a weak watcher, taz is a weakish vanillizer (can't recruit pr's) so GW and Iec's claims stand out a little bit in respect to that.

[Faraday]

I think IEC is the most lilely GW scumbuddy at this stage given the above post.

[Faraday]

I didn't call you a VI?

Being scummy to me =/= VI. Farside's always scummy too.

[Faraday]

LOOK @ MAH SIG.

[Faraday]

GG. pretty easy win here. I only claimed a PR as I thought it possible Taz had targeted me night 1, or at least not unlikely but it fit with the set-up so.

As for the game, the modding was decent enough, I don't remember anything bad certainly and thats what you want Balance? Hmm I don't like iec's lynch power in a mini but being honest it just speeded up the inevitable, I don't think I got a serious vote all game, nor did nopoint and iec only got 1? I think that says how easy this was. Decent playerlist, Taz was really really obvtown and I thought CM vigging jason wasn't that bad, Jason was pretty much a non entity day 1.

[Faraday]

ALSO KORSHAK WTF YOU IDIOT