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okayAurorusVox wrote:I'm suspicious of Faraday - looks to me that he was trying to stifle the discussion without providing anything else to talk about (a'la Doombunny9's latest post).
I don't really agree with percy's lurker point, in practise. In theory it sounds like something scum would do but I know when I'm scum with daytalk it tends to get me to post slightly more than usual. I don't think it takes a lot of effort to keep up with a quicktopic and game thread either. Zhero agreeing with it being scummy is funny though.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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I think this is pretty likely actually, well not everyone but it'd not surprise me if a lot of people picked their choices as soon as they could.YOU REALLY THINK EVERYONE JUMPED THE GUN THE SECOND DEF4 POPPED UP AND FLOODED WITH LISTS OF CHOICES?
BEFORE IT WAS EVEN REALLY DISCUSSED IN THREAD THE MECHANICS OF ROLES WORKING?!
v/la for 5 days with limited/no access, probably will have some but plan for the worst blah blah blah.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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stop trolling, please.Elscouta wrote:Ridiculous.
- Claiming someone is town without explanation : a classic scum move
yeah I don't think this'll work out in practise though.- I don't see how someone can not see the benefits of knowing the scum abilities. I'm even pondering a hunt to determine if scum have air base or another scum-like ability, because that would allow us to pseudo-clear people thatdon'thave these abilities.
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there's no backpedalling. it IS stupid. it won't work. no backpedal there. three word sentences.
why should I? no it's not.Elscouta wrote:
Stop using three sentence words, please. And yes, saying "bla is town" is more often heard in scum mouths than in town mouths.Faraday wrote:
stop trolling, please.Elscouta wrote:Ridiculous.
- Claiming someone is town without explanation : a classic scum move
Backpedalling? I thought it was "OMG TOWN IS SO STUPID TO CLAIM THEY DON'T HAVE SUB"yeah I don't think this'll work out in practise though.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Are you trying to encourage a scumbuddy to nuke me or some idiot town here?Elscouta wrote:I'd gladly welcome someone dropping a nuke on Faraday.
And I said Andrius was non scum because...Andrius is non scum obviously! Do you mean why is he non scum? Well I think that's rather obvious - his lack of awareness regarding the choices makes him town, as it reads legit. Scum would be aware they could pick from different groupings.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Oh, I know you would. Gonna have to explain my 'behaviour' though and what's wrong with it that makes me worthy of dying.Elscouta wrote:Just stating that at this point, given your behaviour AND scuminess, i would be perfectly fine with you being blown to piece.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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I dunno what you mean here, what did I miss? I think you're misunderstanding me, I'm aware it's an 8:3:1 set-up, I'm saying I think if Andrius was scum he'd have been told by his scumbuddies that he could pick from more than one area for his list.Hinduragi wrote:You want explanation? You got it.
Faraday obviously didn't read the first post extensively. If he did, he'd know that, regardless of alignment, we're all given the same info because all the role pm's are in the first post as well as the faction numbers a.k.a. it's an open setup.
I'm 'playing the idiot'? Where the fuck have I done that? And derp @ the second part. I don't even know what a scum trying to give himself a style means in any context whatsoever.You have been playing the idiot in all your recent posts. Either you are indead a townie wanting to be counterproductive, or a scum trying to give himself a style. I lean towards the second.
you'd be dead wrong then.And for the record, I maintain that "X is town" is more often heard in scum mouths than in town mouths (especially without explanation).are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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there was no mis rep, he's concerned his scumbuddy's going down in flames.Zhero wrote:
Not sure what you mean, no misrep was intended.Enigma wrote:Convenient how you don't acknowledge the posts on the previous page by Faraday on the previous page Zhero at all and as a result you take Elscouta a bit out of context.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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What exactly am I supposed to ARGUE WITH?Elscouta wrote:You wish to continue playing the idiot and try to avoid posting any reasoning whatsoever in your post? I guess you feel this is giving you a better chance to get away than trying to argue...
Let's get to your points:
(1) WRONG, (2) WRONG. Having a bunch of obv town players helps narrow down scum. Sharing reads in thread is a good idea as it allows voting blocs and narrowing of the suspect pool and other mumbo jumbo. Scum don't need help deciding nightkill. If scum want to take my advice on their nightkill they're probably retarded anyway, so ya know whatever.- First, town has no reason to say they believe someone to be town when this person is not attacked(1). It only helps scum to help decide on their nightkills.(2)
never mind this is boring I'm going to watch tv
Calling you on your crap logic = defending me. lolk.The indirect defense of Faraday by Hinduragi is noted.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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You honestlycan't work out why I'd believe that? I find it very hard to believe scum wouldn't have discussed their picks pre-game, assuming competent scum, and given the playerlist there's probably 1 competent scum. Thus they'd have set Andrisu straight.Tell me when this makes sense. Being scum doesn't give you some cosmic understanding of all game mechanics.
So? Do you agree or disagree with Elscumta?Kewl no reasoning. I must say you make a very convincing argument.
I think they're both prob scum. Idk if I fos'd anyone though, I never do that. Elscouta was originally gut but the hole's been dug as we've went on, so to speakAlso @Faraday- You missed my question. What is your reasoning behind the Enigma vote/elscou FoS?
But like...none of this is actually true. Why would scum want to buddy when so many people see buddying and go OMG SCUMMY. Point 2 is not true, there's no arguing I don't look more town if Andrius flips town and I've never seen someone become more town for predicting a town flip in a game either. Point 3 is also not true, unless you think scum are retarded they'll be able to pick out obv townies themselves. It's not hard.Anyway throwing out town reads is scummy. Think about this:
scum saying scum is town- Allows them to buddy up
scum saying town is town- If the townie gets lynched it makes the scum look more like town whereas if the scum gets lynched then the townie looks more scummy
town saying scum/town is town- Tells the scum who to kill
AH this computer's a piece of shit that can't copy/cut. Going to need to make a series of posts. UGH.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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This is correct, glad you spotted it.Enigma wrote:So it looks like we have done good, we have 2confirmedtownies now, based on the fact that they failed to read the opening posts properly.
Also you completely ignored everything about the Elscouta banbdwagon. Do you've any thoughts on it at all?are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Maybe later.Doombunny9 wrote:
No shit. Why else why'd you be voting them? Stop avoiding the question and tell me why you really think Enigma is scummy.
'Beginning to notice me a lot more', surely THAT'S NOT accurate is it? You've been going back and forth and calling me scummy for a little bit now.UnvoteEnigma is slowly fading out of my scumdar and I'm beginning to notice Faraday and Elscouta a lot more. Will reread later and make up my mind. I also really want to hear from PZ.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Wow, okay but do you think Elscouta's scum at this stage. Yes or no?Enigma wrote: Confirmed townie is BS. I'm not calling anyone confirmed unless it's stipulated by the mod. Confirmed status is what make town lose during LYLO. It's a fucking illusion and does more harm to town than good.What is this I don't even AH.
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Meant to respond to this ages ago. It doesn't really change my mind, as I think everyone understood the DEFCON issue as it's really clear in the OP even on skimming alone. Actually the recent Andy claim thing makes me go back and think of something though so let me brb and see if that goes anywhere.AurorusVox wrote:
Just realised. Andrius could be feigning ignorance to the rules. He seems to understand the DEFCON issue in that first post, but then seems to misunderstand it in the second. Something to bare in mind about the whole "ability picking" issue. Faraday, what do you make of that, seeing as Andrius' ignorance of the rules was your main reason for finding him townie.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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I still think this looks pretty genuine.Andrius wrote:DONT SAY IF YOU TRIED FOR THE SUB OR NOT. ONLY SAY IF YOU HAVE IT OR NOT.
BY SAYING YOU TRIED/ DIDNT TRY THE SCUM WILL KNOW IF YOU HAVE OFFENSIVE/DEFENSIVE TROOPS AND THE ROLES YOU COULD HAVE DUE TO THAT.
Just wanted to make that clear. lolare you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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This whole thing is stupid and should probably be ignored. It doesn't make Zhero and more or less scummy, really. It looks like a fake attempt to frame, rather than a framing attempt imo but really it's choc full of WIFOM, and of the useless variety this time.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Yeah, I can see what SPyreX is on about here. It's awful bizzare but I really don't think it's any indication that calcifier is scum. Spyre what do you think Andyscum gains by coming out with that sort of information when it was clearly not incriminating at this point? If he knows Enigma's got an active power/power role why bother outing it as scum? That's why I think his motivations don't make sense as scum.SpyreX wrote:Yea I sure did because WATCHING SOMEONE DIE OR BEING THE COP are the pieces of information that = scum.
Zhero's mostly gut for now, I don't really like his reaction to that faked message either.
I'm reasonably happy with Av/Enigma/Calci atm for town. Percy looks pretty town too although I don't know why he doesn't think Socio can be scum? Any reason apart from the message thing?
I need to look at Doombunny and red who I've largely ignored up untill now do to being in too many games.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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No, but look at my play. It's pretty much the same deali-o. I don't really see it as something scum are more likely to do knowing it happens to me quite a lot in games so yeah.RedCoyote wrote:You know, RayFrost explained that "tech" thing to me, and I still didn't get it.
Hindu's trying to pin me for being inconsistent, but the bigger point is that he's made a playstyle shift from leading to being passive. He says because he was writing a paper, and that may be true, but I'd like to see more from him than just reacting. Percy doesn't see this, but I do. It's a big deal. Say what you will about Doombunny, but he's unchanged from D1 to D2. I honestly would've expected Hindu to see my vote, say, "Ah, yeah, sorry guys. I've been a little busy. What's with this here? Why did you do this? X doesn't sound right", instead of, "WOW I'm voted for lurking?!", implying I was somehow wrong with my expectations.
That's way too defensive, and it doesn't sound like Hindu from D1. That's all I'm saying. Am I really the only one who sees this?
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This is weird, have you mentioned it in relation to me? I mean, you've got one vote but you can type as much or as little as you like.RedCoyote wrote:
Do you think I'm satisfied with that? A man only has one vote.Faraday 456 wrote:No, but look at my play. It's pretty much the same deali-o.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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What do you think of Percy's 464 then?Zhero wrote:Yeah, I don't think there's any way Enigma has the case he says he does.
Unvote. Vote: Enigma
I've no real idea what Enigma/Percy are dancing around, I'm sure it'll come out eventually if needed. Still pretty happy with my Zhero vote who looks like scum and all that.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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I think Percy's probably the eavesdropper alright, I guess he'd be smart enough to fake it as scum but his messages line up pretty well with what he's said and who's he's sort of suspected in the game I think.
I'm not 100% as convinced as to the validity of the messages as him on some of them but still.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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No, knowing SpyreX this really isn't the case at all. Trying to play it off as a gambit is lol.RedCoyote wrote:
Knowing Spyrex, he likely didn't invest Percy because he "knew" he was scum (either that or, the more obvious answer, heisscum). I don't play that game. We lynch for sure scum, and it doesn't get more cut-and-dry than Percy right now. I'm really not prepared to straight up call Spyrex scum though. Based on his play so far, and how I know him, I'm really thinking this is possibly a gambit.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Hinduragi's prob town.
I'm the failsafe, I didn't want to claim yesterday as I saw that red had claimed failsafe and wasn't sure why so I thought it best to avoid claiming. this was also why I wanted him dead.
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Not seeing Hinduragi as scum with Red. Iirc red attacked him for a change in playstyle from days 1 --> day 2. I think from my point of view he could have pushed this on me more if he was scum with hindu as I was arguably guilty of the same thing (not really arguable actually)
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What 'excuses'. I didn't make any, I was asked why I chose it? Are you unable to read or something?Calcifer wrote:Vote: Faraday
Getting failsafe is a scumtell. Scum would love that sub. Failsafe is awesome as second place. I'm not buying the excuses.
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yeah, I did. I still think that's the case. I think you're town too as said.Hinduragi wrote:I think we should see who wants to lynch who at this point. I'm down for Zhero. Im down for a possible Socio or Percy one, but only with if it has a decent case.
Faraday, I thought you called Andrius town for thinking there was only one type of troop deployment?
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I find his vote on you odd, it's like he's ignoring red's flip. I'd not be against it, although I'd prefer you to nuke Zhero at this time.Hinduragi wrote:I'm down for nuking Socio after that excellent D4 case. I want to hear from Calcifer and Faraday about this, though.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Oh god, stop playing dense. Keeping scum away from sub was a huge priority and everyone should have had it as their number 1. But yeah, you can't see that, I just chose it cos i wanted a stealth shot lolsorandum. Already explained why Misile Silo wasn't chosen, which you either ignored or misread (possibly latter due to the following)Zhero wrote: Faraday's play lately has been making me antsy. He makes sure to claim until he's the last claim, and conveniently after the fighter's dead. I'm not sure I trust the fail safe claim. He apparently wanted sub first, but still put fail safe prioritized over a missile silo, so he wanted the sub specifically for its stealth shot, a largely anti-town feature.
Yeah I definitely did back red coyote up after he claimed my role and never tried to get him lynched asap (lol). I'd no idea why he claimed failsafe, wasn't prepared to ask so decided let's kill him and see what his game is.He then chooses to not counter-claim Red. It just doesn't seem to add up for me.
A WILD WHAT THE FUCK APPEARS.He's commented over and over that I'm 'prob-scum', but suddenly I'm equally likely alongside someone he's never really commented on at all and someone he had a good town read on a couple days ago. Faraday, what changed your mind on Percy?
I've already indicated I'd prefer you nuked over Socio, in fact you're my first choice. Where is ya getting that you're equally likely from?
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Percy wrote:Zhero can almost certainly be ruled out due to blocking Sociopath. I'm thinking Faraday is scum with Sociopath.
Firstly, not claiming yesterday. The only reason he did that was because he didn't want to counterclaim Red, which still doesn't make sense to me.
His comments on SocioPath today: just enough to say that he prefers Zhero. Before today has just been calling me out for calling Sociopath not scum - at the time, I was working on the Doombunny scum theory, which made Sociopath a scumbuddy almost impossible, and I don't know why he didn't see that. And apart from that, there has been absolutely zero interaction between Sociopath and Faraday.
Finally, look at this dropped message that I decoded earlier: