Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!
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I, [recruit's name], do solemnly swear by [recruit's deity of choice] to uphold the Laws and Ordinances of the city of Ankh-Morpork, serve the public trust, and defend the subjects of His/Her [delete whichever is inappropriate] Majesty [name of reigning monarch] without fear, favour, or thought of personal safety; to pursue evil-doers and protect the innocent, laying down my life if necessary in the cause of said duty, so help me [aforesaid deity]. Gods Save the King/Queen [delete which is inappropriate].
My dragon is loaded and ready for business, time to feel the cobblestones through the cardboard.-
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Obligatory greeting post.
Vote: jimfinn
I'll make up the reason of voting him because he doesn't read Mr. Pratchett's novels.
In reality I just want an early bandwagon and now we've got a three vote one, go, go, wagon of win.-
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Edit by way of purple dinosaur that can't ogle teenagers? You're a sick, sick man and need to be lynched in order to protect the Guild of Seamstresses.jimfinn wrote:EBWOPDTCOT: I would say that to get the ball rolling would be a reasonable thing for scum or town to say, and is thus a null-tell.
I am fascinated by the concept that all 3rd votes are scummy - should make it much easier to scumhunt in the future.
As long as you're on the Wiki check out OMGUS next.
@Plum - I am really sad now, I'm already in a lot of Newbie games and now I have to try to translate newb tells in this one too. If you're trying to ed-ju-ma-cate the lad why art thou still voting him?-
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Woosh. I think we have our first Jellybean of the day. The problem is that they lose their flavor so quickly if poked and prodded by a single player before anyone else gets a taste.
Ah well, the Plum/jimfinn interaction will be exciting and interesting to look at later.
Unvote: jimfinn
Vote: FakeGod
I'm a real god, obvious fake claim by him is obvious.
Also, Button promised me breakfast on this thing.
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@Mysterio - Do I look like Buttonmen to you or something? That vote is two kinds of fail wrapped in baclava...and I dislike baclava.
@jimfinn - Apologies, I started something of a meme in another ongoing game due to a mod definitely wanting to avoiud any language that could be deemed insulting and the habit just carried over; Jellybean = Village Idiot. That said, you have a challenger to the throe already, so you might work out just fine.-
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@Mysterio - because I was running around going "Lynch him, lynch the jimfinn!!!!"
And Button was voting FalseGod and commenting on the Plum reaction mostly. Honestly I think you should explain how that looks like Button wants to lynch jimfinn - I'm pretty stupid so I probably just don't get it, but it doesn't seem to follow to me.-
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@Tasky - you commented that the jimfinn wagon got too big too quick. Do you believe this is because of people being dumb, overeager, or having that wagon scum pushed?
Also, why no new vote yet?
@FakeGod - 'hey guys, let's stop discussing roles so early (ignore the fact that the only reason it's happening is because someone chose to claim and don't address that aspect)' <---trying to act towny. (oh boo-hoo, "our" DV is outed).
Moar wagon for win please.-
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I think the only way massclaim helps town is if scum haven't been given fakeclaims. I haven't found a mod yet who doesn't give fake claims in theme games.-
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@Mysterio - could you link me to a Day 1 Massclaim where town gained useful information?-
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You're really focusing on this "inconsistencies" bit - and I just don't grok what you're expecting. Yeah, if we all claim and it goes something like;
Vimes
Carrot
Colon
Nobbs
Angua
Detrius
Weatherwax
well, okay, maybe we've got something there. But your whole inconsistencies concept seems to be predicated on the idea the mod is either dumb or that there aren't enough guardsmen to go around. I certainly don't believe the latter is true, as there is a large cast to draw from, and unless you have evidence of the former I really fail to see what inconsistencies you expect. Even if there are a few less "popular" characters - there's no guarantee that they're more or less likely to be scum. The Lack of evidence from on site games is noted.
I also don't like how you call for mass RC, seek support, and then go along pressuring players and trying to get RC through vote pressure as well. Either try to get general agreement about mass RC or don't, doing both just looks sketchy.
@Narsis - would love to see a bit of commentary from you about your current top suspect.-
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@jimfinn - You're the one voting for him - do *you* believe he is scum or don't you?-
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@Narsis - Was it post 138 or post 142 that made you vote for him?-
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Or vote FakeGod or Narsis - I see win in those wagons and support their lynch.-
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You don't see the blatant scum energy flinging from your pores? It got on my face and I wiped it off and saw my napkin was covered in win...*liquid* win. (that and your entrance self vote, you claimed "trap" that revealed a null tell (whoopee) and then you call everyone null as far as reads go and sort of gently drift onto the big wagon of the moment...well, all of that and the napkin - the case is mostly about the napkin)Narsis wrote:just a small question...what do you see that is so win in my wagon?
Who should I be suspecting if not you?-
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I'm disgusted too, I just realized I lost Button to a VV wagon. Accursed VV and his constant attempts to have wagons run on him via his postings...
Also, when I wrote out the case on Narsis early I realized how amazingly great it was.
Unvote: FakeGod
Vote: Narsis
2jimfinn - If you're not advocating votes be moved to FakeGod because of this - what are you advocating and why did you bring it up?-
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At the time you had null tells on every player in the game Mysterio had already role- claimed and power-claimed.
You had a null read on him at that point? Seriously? And not just a null read, but a read where you decided to self-vote, unvote, and then joke around with Plum when she voted you?-
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I'm okay lynching KHG now as well, which makes me sad. Earlier he seemed townier, now he seems opportunistic and mealy-mouthed, as all scum are - this is science, you cannot argue with it.
Scumlist; Narsis, KHG, FakeGod - in that order-
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VasudeVa - do you actually see a scum connection between KHG and Narsis - or are you just competing to set up a wagon on yourself faster?-
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Buddying as a Day 1 tell is as weak as American beer.
I am confused by the vitriol and scope of Tasky's attack - but suspect that if either Tasky/Narsis are scum then it's likely that only one of them is since I don't think scumTasky would make a post like that for scumbuddyNarsis since if we lynch Narsis and he flips scum that leaves Tasky in an awkward situation tomorrow.
@Tasky - I grok that you think the cases on Narsis are weak, but this is Day 1 and cases tend to be a little fluffier at this point. Why do you think Narsis is so likely to be town?-
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TheButtonmen basically covered my joke and my literary language flair.
American beer is indeed weak and I don't support drinking anything that looks the same going in as it does coming out.
Grok has a couple inflections but at it's most basic is translated as - Understanding between two people. (all of you should read more Heinlein)
@Tasky - if you're uncertain about Narsis' role why go through that much effort to defend him? I was pretty 'meh' on the logic of the Mysterio case - but by letting it go I get to see how people respond to it and try to sell it. By you coming out so intensely at the Narsis cases you are tying yourself strongly to a player you have just admitted you have a neutral read on. Why would you do this? The only reason (if you're town) should be that you have a scum read on one of the attackers or a town read on Narsis. Also - happy day of womb escapage.
Checking Tasky's join date does give me some personal insight into his logic though, methinks.-
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Yeah, American beer is-Plum wrote:Thor, methinks you are generally right there.
...never mind.Plum wrote:I am, however, wondering certain things about, as we both stated, the motivations for attacking the entire Narsis wagon so strongly.
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@KHG - if you're waiting for a case to become actually worth supporting what are you doing in order to help this happen?
In other words - you seem to be sitting on the sidelines and not helping, my gut says 'OMG, no scumzhnting means obvious scummorz, vote pl0x!!!' Why is my gut wrong?-
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Where do you think I said this? (please offer the quote and explanation)KHG wrote:You've jumped from me not believing the case against Narsis is strong enough to me not wanting to lynch scum.-
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@KHG - I don't see how my comments were unoriginal. I do think lack of scumhunting is a scumtell - do you see any reason to disagree with me on that?
If yes, why?
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You used the word 'trite'. Trite = unoriginal. Maybe use smaller words if you're uncertain what bigger ones mean?KHG wrote:What do you mean by unoriginal? I never used that word.
I have - and then I accused you of not scumhunting at all. I asked you why and you basically implied that youI don't disagree with you. I'm not going to comb through my posts and decide when I was scumhunting; you can do that yourself, if you're interested.werescumhunting. I'm trying to figure out where and how and thought you might want to help me do that.
Plum's new wagon is exciting and smells of fresh leather. I don't want to buy it just yet, but I'm certainly intrigued by the features and am curious of the handling and performance.
My Narsis model doesn't feel like it's really gone through a test run yet.
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Yes, because the scum team will be all the newbie players...yes.-
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Banal = unoriginal. But please feel free to give me your definition of banal and how you intended it in your commentary.
I used the attacking commentary because I was unamused how you were playing a definitions game to try to redefine the discussion - I still think you're trying.
You still haven't really addressed how I should find your scumhunting work yet. I still submit it's not there and all you seem to be doing currently is defending yourself (and not that well, if I may make a personal observation).-
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What exactly about the switch from Mysterio to Narsis do you find scummy?-
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KHG wrote:I took trite to mean devoid of real meaning; perhaps I used it incorrectly. Do you honestly think a comment like that is the right thing to say?Thisis the question you really wanted me to answer?
If you took offense at me suggesting you didn't know what the word meant...well, you apparently didn't know what it meant and you'd asked me why I had brought up 'unoriginal' so I had to respond that I brought it up because that's what the word you used means (I can't very well say that without bringing up the actual definition of the word and suggesting maybe you should know it if you're going to use the word). Consider from my perspective - it's like someone saying I'm being untruthful, and I demand to know how I'm lying, and they respond with "when did I say you were lying?" I'm going to be annoyed they're ducking my question and trying to play word games that appear obfuscatory and obtuse in nature, aren't I?
If you took offense on a personal level I'll apologize since it wasn't particularly my purpose, but I already explained what my purpose was and I don't feel I stepped over the line into being particularly rude (I'll also note rudeness is used as a scumhunting tool by many players, so if *I'm* getting to you, then you might want to really reassess playing on this site, because I'm one of the polite ones).
If you're just asking me about using l33t speak when my 'gut' was speaking and suggesting your lack of scumhunting was scummy...well...yes, I do consider that viable, appropriate, and (more to the point), accurate.
Also - yeah, there's a pretty good chance the people voting you either don't believe your claim and/or are scum. In fact 100% of the people voting you fall into those two options. That's the way the game works.-
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I'm pretty 'meh' on most of Tasky's post - but this seems brilliant. I want it addressed for great justice!Tasky wrote:
you are doing exactly the same thing you earlier attacked as scummy...KHG wrote:I think it's pro-scum; why would Mysterio hammer the point home that he his a townie when no one was asking for a roleclaim?
I can't think of a single reason.-
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Eeesh, too many scummy players, not enough lynchings.
I'm probably game for the Chronopie or VV wagons.
Vote: Chronopie
Alternate wagons are excitement wrapped in joy.
Also, he is the most suspicious player on the KHG wagon in my opinion.
I've got to re-read the push on Mysterio again as well - potential brilliance will come from that methinks.-
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@VV - I see little advantage to Vimes claiming at this point. If he got a role that it behooves town to have him claim, then let him claim if and as he decides to do it. If you agree info is good but that massclaims are bad clearly you understand that sometimes info isn't good.-
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In the interests of appeasing a certain mod and their mighty prod pole;
@jimfin - I'll second Budja's request - explain reads please.
@FakeGod - please explain the VV case to me as you see it.
@VV - do you still support Vimes claim? If so, please address my last post.
@Button - who is your second top suspect (and why)
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I would also like to point out that I *had* posted within three days, so I feel the Mod totally jumped the gun in his prod on me (though only by 6 hours or so).
It's been the usual suspects saying the usual things since my last post, we need some new info or some new vote movement to generate new content.
@VV - he's scum, we're trying to lynch him.
Apologies, I missed your post on the 24th.-
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Yeah, I'd still be game for a Fake God run though...
@Fake God - in a Large game it's a lot easier to vote anti-town. In a Mini it becomes dramatically more of a dangerous move. We have (more then likely) only two lynches left to hit scum with - do you really want to waste one of those on someone you don't find scummy? Really?-
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I dunno - I'm sitting on a 3 vote wagon that's having trouble being pushed over the edge right now, why should I switch to a different wagon to make it a 3 voter. Either our plethora of wagons is because town is really lost (and with all the V/LA and low contributors I won't rule that out) or the wagon I'm on is not getting much attention from scum which means it should be stuck with. I'd rather wait and see what happens with votes when other people get back.
@Mod - I'd rather you be over vigilant with prods then under. No worries.
@Fake God - does it concern you that he has been consistently below you on any scum list I've made? You've been in my top three since game start - VV not so much. Also, I will note the most glaring issue I have with your post that is almost making me want to change votes right now.
"He's like, actively helping scum."
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FakeGod wrote:But VV's anti-town to a point where I don't think I can justify to myself (at this moment anyways) that I'm helping town if I were to place my vote on anyone else.
YOU THINK HE'S TOWN AND ARE VOTING HIM BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE HIS PLAYSTYLE!?!
OH GAWDZ, HELP ME, I'VE BEEN THROWN INTO CAPSRAGE!
I am being ungodly called to vote for you, and I don't even think you're the best lynch today - why would you do this to me?
@Button (who may or may not be on V/LA - I'm not bothering to go check) - how do you feel about your wagon mate right now? What is your logic behind the VV wagon?
VOTE COUNT
Chronopie (3): Narsis, Thor665, Plum
VasudeVa (2): TheButtonmen, FakeGod
FakeGod (2): Budja, VasudeVa
Narsis (1): jimfinn
Not Voting (2): Chronopie, Tasky
With 10 alive, 6 votes are needed to lynch.Last edited by molestargazer on Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:16 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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Lollercoaster.jimfinn wrote:This seems suspicious [snip] for being the third vote on a wagon. Major scumtell.
I dunno. Knee jerk reaction is this is too awkwardly obvious. Scum is going to go out of his way to defend this stance? Seem he's defending the stance because he's Newb and doesn't understand why it's scummy. That makes the heart of the "case" a newb tell, which is null, and not a scum tell. Thoughts?-
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To clarify the above post - first sentence is mocking of jimfinn.
Second sentence is in regards to FakeGod wagon - not a "scumtell" on jimfinn.-
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Yeah, but when your case is broken down it is "you're anti-town because of the way youFakeGod wrote:whoa dude I never said I don't like his playstyle.play" Taking away all the gloss and glamour you're tossing on it - you're voting him for playstyle disagreements (you feel his play hurts town). Though I am not a giant fan of VV's play I'm not sure I'm personally of the opinion that his play is not hurting town any more then I feel your play is hurting town - and neither of those beliefs is worth hanging a vote on.
::facepalm::FakeGod wrote:
We all have our opinions.jimfinn wrote:Encouraging the town to lynch VIs is very scummy play.
VI lynches happen Day 1 in Minis, that's how it's done. By Day 2 after a mislynch you don't have the luxury anymore. A case needs to be more then 'Gawrsh, he's VI' on Day 2. Even VI's do scummy things - find it or get back to scumhunting other people, but stop advancing this non-case.
For a man who supports the lynch of VI you're very much angling for that role from my perspective.FakeGod wrote:
I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.Thor665 wrote:I dunno. Knee jerk reaction is this is too awkwardly obvious. Scum is going to go out of his way to defend this stance? Seem he's defending the stance because he's Newb and doesn't understand why it's scummy. That makes the heart of the "case" a newb tell, which is null, and not a scum tell. Thoughts?
In short; the quoted commentary from me is an explanation of why I disagree with the case on you. I had been asked earlier by Budja ("I rest my case") to consider you as a viable vote since I'd just admitted that I found your play to be poor and potentially scummy. I then responded with the quoted commentary you're noting to explain why I disagreed with the case on you. Budja then agreed with me (and/or didn't like Chronopie's latest posts) since he shifted his vote over to the wagon I'm selling.
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Okay, I'm happier about Button now. This pleases me.
He does remind me of issues I have with Narsis. I still tend to think Chrono is the smarter lynch for today considering the activities yesterday.
@Button - last(first) time we played together in the without-a-doubt-fully-balanced Dr. Horrible Mini you struck me as more aggressive then you have been thus far this game. Thoughts?
I considered trying - but it seemed really hard to do. Frankly I was just hoping you'd tell me and spare me the effort - I like to be told brilliant things so I canPlum wrote:No one touched my question about who besides Chrono made EXTREMELY suspect votes on yesterday's KHG wagon. Because. I think it could be the antidote to the KHG mishaps yesterday. That is. A wagon which we can all pile onto real fast but this time actually net scum with it. ANY BITES, OR DOES NO ONE LIKE COOKIES AROUND HERE?claim them as my owncompliment the person who came up with them and cheer them on.-
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@VV - why do you keep avoiding Button's question to you? At least admit you see it and are avoiding it so he doesn't just have to keep repeating it to you.-
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*cough*everything looks clearer through the bottom of the glass*cough*VasudeVa wrote:Hell, I'm not even sure why Drunkenness = Daycop.
I was pretty much certain Vimes would be a single shot cop of some variety due to the flavor.
@VV
@TBM
Egads, zip it, I think we know where you both stand. I don't need to read an entire page of 'no, u!' to get taht you don't trust each other.
I believe VV.
I'm 'meh' on the Tasky pick, but, hell, I was conflicted on my Tasky read as well, so c'est la vie.
I think FakeGod looks bad for reasons VV has noted, and would love it if he would address them.
I'm really conflicted on TBM, I understand his doubts, I don't understand being so intense about a player who just claimed Day Cop.
Plum is town (or is just a better player then all these anti-town players we're stuck with, but I prefer looking on the bright side)-
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You can't get one on me!TheButtonmen wrote:@Mod:Can we get a prod on Thor and Chrono?
Sorry, friends in from out of town, this game became a lower priority.
I feel more town on Narsis now.
Scom obviously have fakeclaims - any conversation otherwise is silly (Littlebottom is proof)
VV is town enough, right now. If he's scum then his bus buys him a reprieve. Personally I don't see him as that likely to be scum.
No kill suggests to my mind that either we have a protective role and VV was likely target or that scum want us to think this.
@FakeGod - I'd love to lynch you, why shouldn't I? Your actions around VV yesterday were mega-odd. Also, you haven't told us about strength yet - you only have it for the Day Phase. Yes or no question; is there a reason you're not claiming its effects?
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Whether or not Button said this - what does it matter that you are un-counterclaimed Vimes who is mod-confirmed to be in the game? What does it tell us?VasudeVa wrote:@Buttonmen: Are you even paying attention that I'm un-counterclaimed Vimes AND Vimes is mod-confirmed to be in this game?
Seconded.VasudeVa wrote:@Chrono: Who did you target last night? And be useful god-damnit.-
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Who do you think is scum?jimfinn wrote:@everyone: I forgot that Dorf'l was the power of the day when I said it could be a safeclaim, probably due to my lack of knowledge of the flavor. I am now inclined to believe his claim and that he is town.
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/not mass prodded due to pure awesomeness.
Pretty neutral on FG, not impressed by his commentary that the Dorfl claim somehow clears him. Newsflash: the Mod isn't confirming town every day
@FG - you were the best-est bud forever with VV yesterday and had understood his breadcrumbs...you also tried to lynch him because it wouldn't "look believable" if you didn't try to lynch him. What do you see as the pro-town angle in your actions here?-
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Meh, Vote stripper strikes me as anti-town but not really pro-scum.
Do you actually think he's lying about what his day phase power does? I don't believe he is.-
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Yeah, I know, that's what I basically just said.FakeGod wrote:
eh, why would I make up a power that's easily tested for existence?Thor665 wrote: Do you actually think he's lying about what his day phase power does? I don't believe he is.
How do I confirm this?FakeGod wrote:
How do you know/confirm this? Do you have additional information in your role PM or something? If not, why try to discredit my claim, hmmm?Thor665 wrote:Newsflash: the Mod isn't confirming town every day
Because an unkillable role who confirms town every day would tend to be just ateensylittle bit unfair to the scum team, now wouldn't it?
Logically we've already had one scum receive a Day power to my mind - we know it wasn't Mysterio, I suspect it wasn't VV, that leaves you.
You didn't respond to my question about your actions towards VV.
Vote: FakeGod-
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Okay, since you've thought about this - what sort of scum team do you think could deal with an unblockable, unkillable town confirmation every day phase that also gives town powers while also potentially having a JK as well as any other roles that may or may not be out there while also having at least one vanilla goon on their team?FakeGod wrote:Since I don't know the setup, I don't know whether that's fair or not to the scum team. You don't know either, unless you are scum and knew the setup better than I do.-
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@Plum - when you get back would like to hear reasons you are against Buttonmen lynch.
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@VV - far be it for me to say that I find Button town, but I think FakeGod is aggressively trying to make me try to lynch him today. Do you see any particular reason not to lynch FakeGod that I should be noticing?-
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Picture this! A Scum sees someone claim daycop.
Does he:
A.) Wait for a CC, wait for a result, wait for something to happen.
B.) Resist and discredit that dude and pull un-credible shit out of your ass to stop him.
I'm not sure the reverse makes that much more sense to me. I think most of this is more anti-town then scum. Let's also note that your example holds basically just as true for FG - he saw you breadcrumb Vimes so his plan was to run a case on you in order to help protect you. I do agree basically with the logic which is why I want to lynch one of them, I'm not sure I see how the logic suggests Button as the clear superior option.-
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Your power is useless to town and I consider its application anti-town, and those who want to test it because they, for some reason, think you don't actually have the power are being silly.FakeGod wrote:Um, speedlynch is cool and everything, but I thought you guys wanted me to use/test my power or something?
I mean, I can only use it today...
It is meaningless to our situation that you can only use the power today.
VV, Button has attacked you but it is *very* clear that he believes you have the Vimes name as a false claim - please stop harping about this because whether or not Button is scum you inventing an attack on him will not be helpful to finding out the truth. He thinks you are scum who has the fakeclaim of Vimes and that you are the only player in the game with the real or fake claim of Vimes.VasudeVa wrote:So, you HAVE attacked my Vimes claim.
I don't buy that scum will get their role names announced by the mod in thread. What makes you think otherwise?
I 100% expect that if Tasky had received a Day power it would have been phrased as "Cheery Littlebottom gets...cross dressing" or some other thing. It makes total sense that the scum's pre set fake claims would receive the day powers if scum indeed gets the day powers (and I am convinced they can/will/have). Do you actually believe that scum never get Dayphase powers in this game and that every day the mod is auto-confirming town?-
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^^^
Whether he's scum or town this is good basic play advice Button just supplied jimfinn.
@jimfinn - what are your thoughts on FakeGod?
@Narsis - what are your thoughts on FakeGod?
I still put Button into my cloud of top suspects but must agree that he's correct in noting the singular focus on him thus far today - clearly I am either missing the brilliance of the case, in which case I'd like someone who is not VV to describe it to me...or perhaps we are tunneling and at least one or two players should at least acknowledge that I appear to want to lynch FakeGod instead of obvscumButton.-
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I do, and I do believe I said as much at the time he initially did it and at the start of today. I'm just hung up on the "VV has just breadcrumbed Vimes - I'll try to make him look scummy by trying to lynch him in order to protect him" plan.
The best I can say in support of FakeGod is that it's a pretty bad plan either way, but the blatant 180 to total VV support left a bad taste in my mouth. Button at least seems to have a more consistent narrative in his suspicions which leaves me wondering if it's poor play or scum play whereas I feel the suspicion flip tends to consign FG into the scum play category.
Might I ask why you're now clearing FG and consigning jimfinn? Yesterday you seemed pretty sure FG was the scumbuddy with Button, but now it's jimfinn.-
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To put it another way as to why Button is staying at second tier with me - I think scumButton might have been a bit more conciliatory at some point. The "attitude" towards you rings honest to me.-
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@Narsis - Why do you think Button is more likely to be scum then Fake God?-
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Hiding and/or claiming to have a real life only makes me want to lynch you more!-
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