Mini 1162- Inglourious Basterds Mafia (Game over)

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: nintendoaddict11

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: nintendoaddict11

Reason plz

Now I have one.

Wagon on nintendoaddict go, please.

[DemonHybrid]

A joke.

That's what they all say.

[DemonHybrid]

You realize that I'm responding to the fact that you asked for a reason, right?

[DemonHybrid]

You realize that I'm responding to the fact that you asked for a reason, right?

And you've yet to tell me what it is.

Why are you so concerned about my reason for voting you as my first post in the game when the game is clearly in RVS? That alone is indicative of you being scum. No one HAS to have a reason in RVS; they vote to leave RVS, and that's exactly what happened when I voted you and you responded to me in what seems like a slight panic.

If you could pick people who are likely scum, who would it be, NA1?

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: nintendoaddict11

RVS vote and a 2nd vote on a RVS bandwagon.

Vote: nintendoaddict11

Reason plz

Overreaction. RVS is over for me.

Vote: nintendoaddict11

Reason plz

Now I have one.

Wagon on nintendoaddict go, please.

Serious statement.

[DemonHybrid]

Okay, then if 'they all say' it's a joke, how many times does the person actually turn out to be town as opposed to scum?

Not very often, though that whole "joke" point is moot if you were referring to copying pappums' sig. You're scum for overreacting to an RVS vote with no reason and you have no reads.

3 votes is not enough, people.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Toon Fighter

I just got back from class and I fully agree. I'm not comfortable with nintendo being on the wagon but TF knows better than to not vote for RVS and to switch reads like that super quickly.

[DemonHybrid]

Benmage is right on the money, too. Everyone here knows that you start with no information, so you gotta find whatever you can to get that information.

nintendo's response to my vote was bad, but TF's response to the wagon is horrible.

[DemonHybrid]

The only difference is, I wasn't voting him, I was voting you. Then I unvoted you and voted someone else. And then you voted that someone else without expressing any previous suspicion of him, even though you directly quoted the post that supposedly later made you suspect him, joking about it. Therefore, you look opportunistic, and your defense thusfar has been thoroughly underwhelming.

My point is that perhaps he unvoted for the same reason as me, or what you perceive my logic to be. He may have changed his vote because the wagon on me was weakening since you left it. And speaking of no previous suspicion, I didn't see Demon mention TF anywhere at all. He didn't make any suspicioins about him either.

Because TF didn't post his wishy-washy statement until after I voted you, made the argument against you and left for class.

[DemonHybrid]

Toon should claim. His responses have been awful up until now.

And I don't like NA1 either and will be my next choice of lynch. tclaw hit the nail on the head, but Toon Fighter has made worse moves so far.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

Any Shoshanna CC's? Don't claim role, just flavor.

[DemonHybrid]

Are you serious? What for?

[DemonHybrid]

Lol. Ok. I'm a jester. I wish to be vig'd tonight. If there are no vigs, I wish to be lynched tomorrow.

...

[DemonHybrid]

Toon, don't full claim.

Vote: nintendoaddict1

[DemonHybrid]

I usually don't rely on flavor like this, but a Shoshanna fake claim seems sort of unlikely in an IB mafia, to be perfectly honest.

I haven't a clue how to make out ABR's post. There's no town or scum motivation to saying something like that, so I'm just going to ignore the fuck out of him.

Lynch nintendo addict, please.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm baffled you guys even had TF flavor claim with 2 weakass votes.

Flavor is meaningless to me. Scott gave good scum fakeclaims in Simpsons Mafia.

moar nintendo votes.

No one would have expected a Homer claim to be mafia though (though that game was beside the point; we lynched the fuck out of Mist to prevent a CC and because her ability claim was atrocious). And it wasn't.

In that same light, I don't think a character as major as Shoshanna would be mafia.

[DemonHybrid]

Well lynching me will get you nowhere, and it will only give the mafia a full night phase to kill someone of value.

My heart bleeds for you.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

Beautiful Princess?

[DemonHybrid]

*Beloved

It's rare to encounter that sort of thing nowadays.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: nintendoaddict1

Well then.

[DemonHybrid]

You know, after Scott put a Faith Healer into Simpsons, a Beloved Princess claim would have really fucked with my head.

[DemonHybrid]

Where did you get Jester from?

[DemonHybrid]

Lol. Ok. I'm a jester. I wish to be vig'd tonight. If there are no vigs, I wish to be lynched tomorrow.

I misread your statement as "Being on a wagon -for- a claimed jester". And I had nearly forgotten ABR's weird post.

[DemonHybrid]

Die the first night or get lynched. A separate win con.

I believe you. I believe Toon. I DON'T believe nintendo.

[DemonHybrid]

Dammit, my mind keeps going back to Simpsons mafia. Sideshow Bob...

[DemonHybrid]

Die the first night or get lynched. A separate win con.

I believe you. I believe Toon. I DON'T believe nintendo.

When I flip town your head is gonna spin.

p much ate yanno

[DemonHybrid]

I never thought you were town. I thought Toon was worse at one time.

And I'm pretty sure the reason how my vote went from RVS to serious was explained like, 50 times.

[DemonHybrid]

Because I thought you softclaimed Beloved Princess, which is something I could have totally seen in a game of IB mafia with Scott as the mod. But then you claimed VT, so I went right back into not believing you.

Preview edit: You're just pulling at loose straws. I went from having no information to not believing that you're town.

You've gotten a straight answer. Your reaction to my vote was panicked and my vote then became serious.

[DemonHybrid]

I've realized that no matter how I play this game or what I post your mind will be made up. Again, don't believe me, I can't force you. Fine. Lynch me if you must, you will only be making possibly the stupidest ML of all time.

...not really.

See, even now, evidence posts to you being a good lynch. You aren't doing any scumhunting, any questioning or anything that elicits responses from people. You're just saying that you're town and I'll be sorry so don't lynch you and that's it.

[DemonHybrid]

The only thing resembling scumhunting was your TF wagon switch. That is -it-.

That list of reads was in response to someone else. It doesn't count.

[DemonHybrid]

Just wow.

I'm okay with ABR at the moment. I'm NOT okay with tclaw, Benmage or split.

Vote: splitfarvle

Late wagon hop and lots of fluff.

[DemonHybrid]

I looked at the wagon and I can see it being a prime target for wagoning scum, even if there are some who were genuine on it as well.

tclawren's posting and his wagon jump don't sit well with me.

What obvious joke? *looks at the thread* Oh, that's right. There isn't one.
VOTE: nintendo

After some heat has been put on nintendo.

This sequence of events really make me suspect TF. It looks like he just decided to cave under the slightest bit of pressure placed on him. FOS: TF

After heat has been put on TF (a weird string of FoSes...it's weird that tclaw would add a FoS to a ton of FoSes)

Well, thanks to further replies by NA1 I am very satisfied with my vote. I really don't like the fact that when questioned about hopping onto a competing wagon he does a deflection onto DH. It reads like someone who is very uncomfortable being in the spotlight, which is a scum attribute.

Also Meransiel, the game has been going a while and I know that vote isn't a RV. Care to explain?

And just like that, the TF discussion is gone, funnily enough once the heat starts coming off of him. The rest of his statements are useless, like "We has two jesters lulz" and stating the obvious "AtE! Totally lynch that guy nao!"

Benmage:

unvote vote nintendoaddict1

Noobs/sucky players are too hard too read. If I committed things they are often guilty of I'd expect myself lynched in a heart beat. Its just too hard to recognize it as scummy actions...or them not knowing better.

This can be considered a policy lynch.

....yeah, enough said. This is too far into the game to not have a concise opinion on someone that has been talked about a lot. "He's hard to read, but he's a good lynch."

You seem to pin Elsa with more scumminess in the same post:

Wait what?!?!

Its how early? He's not going around doing anything of what you're saying (i.e.calling people town, and not naming scum). In fact he first called NA1 scum..then reversed it to noobtown.

Call him out on quickly jumping at NA1 (calling him scum so early) Or flip flopping (rapid change of opinion with little added information/total information ingeneral). Not for naming people town...and trying to not call people scum.

Ridiculous assertion.

I'm baffled you guys even had TF flavor claim with 2 weakass votes.

Flavor is meaningless to me. Scott gave good scum fakeclaims in Simpsons Mafia.

moar nintendo votes.

Say what? You have more evidence against Elsa, but are unsure and want to keep pushing your crappy NA1 reasoning?

Doesn't add up.

[DemonHybrid]

L-5 is hardly worthy of being called 'piling up'

I agree, which makes your reaction seem like panic. BTW I said "starting to pile up" which I differentiate from "piling up" because the latter seems to imply several votes instead of just two. It's a subtle distinction, I admit, but your slight misrepresentation of what I said coupled with your opportunistic vote on Toon Fighter makes me comfortable with this vote:

VOTE: nintendoaddict1

splitfarvle is also scummy because he went 3 posts protesting NA1's overreaction

without even voting

.

I'd like any 3 of these guys lynched. The NA1 wagon jumps just seem opportunistic, weak and hollow.

[DemonHybrid]

In fact,

Unvote, Vote: Tclawren

I didn't see drew's vote.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm okay with ABR simply because:

1. Mod meta. I can't get Scott's Sideshow Bob out of my mind, and I know that's just weak reasoning...
2. ...but the motivation for claiming jester is COMPLETELY lacking. Both town AND scum motivation. I know its weird, but I find myself completely believing him for now. And that's all he's been talking about, too, so he's not just fucking with us. He really has something to convey.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: I'm going to call a conditional jester. Jester up to point A, another role for the rest of the game, because Sideshow Bob was a SK with a wincon of "Kill Bart". If Bart dies by another hand, he turns into a Survivor.

Look at his claim and tell me that that's any different and I'll laugh at you.

[DemonHybrid]

first one: It was after you put some heat on him. I saw the point you were making. I agreed with it. I voted. What's wrong with that?

It'd be fine if you didn't do almost the same exact thing with an FoS on TF.

Also, I'm not buying that "I used an FoS because I felt better with my vote on NA1". You didn't have to use an FoS at all. In fact, I RARELY see FoSes used, and having it used twice in a row in a wagon that flared up and died really quickly reads as REALLY weird to me. Was FoSes the flavor of the day that day, or what?

This is something I noticed and something you can't talk your way out of. And you aren't even assessing ABR's claim right. You completely ignore motivations and see things at face value, so either you're not really thinking things through or you're a smooth talking mafioso.

[DemonHybrid]

When I read the night scene, Cat People started playing in my head.
/off topic

I second Benmage's question, why are you not ok with those people DH, and why are you ok with ABR?

Day one told us nothing AFAICT, and now we are down 4 townies. I am wondering what everyone would think about a massclaim at this point?

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

I'm against a massclaim at this time for many reasons. With the unusual roles that have flipped so far, and a claimed jester, I'm against revealing more than we have to because of a game I was in where one role (SK) had to hunt certain other roles. The SK decided to do this by suggesting a massclaim. I can't actually imagine a good reason for town to suggest a massclaim except in LYLO.

VOTE: pappums rat

Re: DemonHybrid's case on me, I didn't think nintendo's reaction was worth a vote, but his subsequent defense was.

It's finals week and I'll be checking in as much as I can.

V/LA until May 5th

Didn't once look at the town motivation behind suggesting a massclaim.

split, assume pappums is town and give me reasons why he would even fathom of suggesting a massclaim.

[DemonHybrid]

Just logging this for later. Your push against Elsa was not a "Elsa is scummy" push, but an "Elsa is wrong" push. This is something you didn't explain before and something you should have specified.

Reasoning?

Again, obvious. I STARTED the case against nintendo. Don't act like it was a wagon I jumped on like you did (and called it a policy lynch, mind you).

Now you come in today. Name 3 people you’re fine with, and obviously since following drew are fine with whomever. Buddy CENTRAL coming from DH.

I said that I was NOT okay with you, split or tclaw. I didn't say anything else about anyONE else except for ABR and pappums. And the fact that he is being wagoned for fakeclaiming to get an action out even reads MORE town.

You’re okay with ABR…. mod wine. Claim confuses you. Nothing about ABR’s actions have been protown this game.

Oh yeah, I forgot. You're fucking terrible at judging motivation regardless and can't comprehend why scum wouldn't do something like that, even if he ISN'T the jester that he claimed to be.

SCUM buddying even potentially a 3rd party here.

That is so dumb. Can you name a time when mafia buddied with a third party without coming out completely fucked? No? Can you understand why there's no motivation behind that then, and therefore clears me on that point as well?

We’re in a mini. What do you think the scum/nontown roles look like? You keep referencing Simpsons…This is gonna be different. So you think ABR is a jester survivor? Or what? Games swingy okay. Lovers looks like it hurt town more than helped.

How many scum do you think there are DH?
How many nontown roles?

I haven't a clue what ABR is now, and that point is moot. In a 13 man mini, but factoring in the lovers, I'd say 2 mafia and a third party of some weird variety. Since ABR isn't it (or MAY be it), do you really think that me, as scum in your eyes, would willingly put my ass on the line by helping out the third party and not going with the wagon that's

currently being built

?

3 non-town roles. If there is a third party, I'm willing to bet that it coincides with town's though, so that yet remains to be seen.

-You push ninendo for shitty reasons, but are trying to paint me poorly…nonono

So, me creating the "nintendo caved under vote pressure off the get-go" case is worse than your "Policy lynch. Vote: NA." case?

[DemonHybrid]

^ All this to benmage. I thought I mentioned him at the beginning of the post.

[DemonHybrid]

ABR couldn't be more fucking town at the moment.

Votes off, people. How about we lynch tclaw?

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE: Pappumsrat

1) That hammer was bad. NA1's reaction to the gambit(?) was totally a town reaction.

Explain.

[DemonHybrid]

As ill-planned as it was, I don't think ABR is likely scum,

though a one-shot SK is not completely out of the question.

....pappums, have you finished a game as scum? If so, can you link it please? I want to see if you make crazy suggestions like this if there is meta at all.

[DemonHybrid]

See, I'm not sure if it's wise to hook into the fact that it does seem like you're trying to keep a link towards ABR as being scum. ABR is the most town player in this game. The flavor makes sense, his kill (though was a bad decision) made sense, his claim makes sense and his play makes sense. I DON'T like the fact that you created that link, but if you have both town and scum meta of making crazy decisions, I won't look too hard into it.

I'm still okay with my tclaw vote. Can we please lynch him?

[DemonHybrid]

BULLSHIT. You did not start the "CASE" against nintendo.

Ever since my 2nd post of the game. Come on, now.

I meant fine with, as in fine to lynch. Any of the 3 will do. Illustrating your lackadaisical attitude. Your non-genuine scumhunting. You'll lynch any 3...whose ever popular opinion will do. Horrible.

Or because any of you three are really really scummy and I'd be okay with your lynches.

Ben, someone posts a scumlist and lists 3 people as scum. Why is that more acceptable to you?

(Hint: It's because I'm against you, isn't it?)

You bet your ass it is.

Did not read past this sentence. Talk about a "lackadaisical" attitude; you'd go with a policy lynch over evidence.

Also, ask me specifically what you want me to explain as far as my case goes on tclaw. I thought I made it very clear. Also, I've noticed you and tclaw have rarely mentioned each other all game.

[DemonHybrid]

Continuing on that line of thought, in 61 pappums grills NA1 for voting without expressing prior suspicion to someone… on page 2. It’s a reaching argument that I do not like. And to me, scum have to make things to look for, therefore reaching logic = scum.

I'm going back and forth with pappums. He has limited interaction with the people who I'm currently suspecting and he only argued with townies (and ABR, but he's pretty much a stone's throw from being confirmed town at the moment). He also reached to keep his suspicion on ABR alive. Do not like.

The only things that keep me from voting him are:

1. He was the one that started the Toon Fighter suspicion. It reads off as genuine to me.
2. There's really less scum motivation behind suggesting the 1-shot SK than we might think, even if it looks scummy on the surface.

Hell, I'm not sure.

[DemonHybrid]

See, I'm not sure if it's wise to hook into the fact that it does seem like you're trying to keep a link towards ABR as being scum. ABR is the most town player in this game. The flavor makes sense, his kill (though was a bad decision) made sense, his claim makes sense and his play makes sense. I DON'T like the fact that you created that link, but if you have both town and scum meta of making crazy decisions, I won't look too hard into it.

I'm still okay with my tclaw vote. Can we please lynch him?

So, I'm guessing you completely missed this post?

[DemonHybrid]

Oh yeah, and FFS SK's claim that they are vigs all the fucking time.

Never mind. I want you to claim. I can't believe you're STILL hanging onto that reasoning.

[DemonHybrid]

How are you qualifying "starting off suspicion"? While, yes, Pappums was the first to vote for TF, tclaw quoted posted a "FoS" of TF (for basically the same reason) one post before pappums's jumped in to vote.

Did he? I may have missed it, let me go and check.

[DemonHybrid]

^ So you call NA1 scum and yet you have an RVS vote out? After the event that caused him to be scum has occured?

FoS: Toon Fighter

I was talking about this post.

[DemonHybrid]

Thats L-1 folks, please express intent to hammer so I can claim first if you are tempted to hammer.

This game is an example of why minimum experience requirements are a good idea if I've ever seen one. :erk:

So now I'm someone you would vote for, even though you have stated that you were ok with me, eh DH? And over such absurd reasoning as well. After re-reading, DH really looks the worse of the DH/Benmage conflict, and his sudden jump on me once I'm at L-1 is scummy as hell.

Vote: DemonHybrid

What's really bad about this is that he references the argument between Benmage and I but not once even quotes a single post from our argument to support his reasoning.

Looking at this post, I'm probably wrong about Benmage or split.

Preview edit: You know who also enjoyed watching films in the movie?

Hitler.

[DemonHybrid]

How are you qualifying "starting off suspicion"? While, yes, Pappums was the first to vote for TF, tclaw quoted posted a "FoS" of TF (for basically the same reason) one post before pappums's jumped in to vote.

Did he? I may have missed it, let me go and check.

Posts 45 and 46.

Yeah, I know those are the posts you were referencing, but that doesn't mean tclaw started the suspicion. pappums FoSed a few posts before tclaw's.

[DemonHybrid]

Fuck it. I think that's a shitty breadcrumb, I think his "OH LOOK DH IS THE LOSER OF THE BENMAGE ARGUMENT" is bullshit, and I think he's trying to look wiser of the fact that he tried to make such a bad connection between obvtown ABR and a "1 shot SK".

Unvote, Vote: pappums rat

You were no longer "okay" since my own post I quoted and you lost your right to live after I stated that I was unsure about my read on you. If you end up being town, I take fault for it, but if you say that you come up with crazy theories as both scum and town and you try to dig dirt on me while trying to take a free ride at the same time without presenting evidence, then please go die.

[DemonHybrid]

Well, at least my involvement in this debacle is over.

PEAC EOUT

p.s. I was town.

Well, maybe next time someone is undecided on you with you at L-1, you could actually take the time and convince them that their course of action is best used elsewhere instead of saying "YOU LOST AN ARGUMENT I WANST EVEN INVOLVED IN AND 1 SHOT SKs EXIST, SO I HATE YOU".

Might increase your chances of survival a bit.

[DemonHybrid]

Sooooo opportunistic. Goddamn. And it's not like I was saying ABR is definately SK, I was saying lets not forget that this is a possibility and just write him off as confirmed town.

He claims bear jew, a 1-shot vig, and the kill flavor was

beaten to death with a bat

.

Honestly? How could you even keep up the slightest bit of suspicion on him?

[DemonHybrid]

And I like how you say opportunistic, even though I summarized what I've been saying for PAGES now into one post WITHOUT a request to claim. I thought it would have been obvious that I was waiting for either more evidence towards your lynch (since I wasn't that convinced that you were scum) or for you to actually defend yourself without resorting to "LOL SK, U LOST ARGUMENT, HEREZ A BREADCRUMB THAT COULD WORK FOR SHOSHANNA, MARCIEL, HITLER, HICOX, ZOLLER OR A MILLION OTHER CHARACTERS SINCE THE LAST HALF OF THE MOVIE TAKES PLACE IN A MOVIE THEATER", but you took the alternate route and you paid the price. I clearly stated that I was not sure about you and that I was waiting for more information and you fuck things up by referencing an argument in which you did not post ONCE about in the past.

[DemonHybrid]

You say I haven't said much to tclawren??? I haven't said much to many. I had things I personally wanted to ask split. I wanted to rail into drews vote which screams nooooooob...and oh yeah hazard has 2 posts!!! But for some reason you hammered.

You are SCUM.

If I die tonight lynch tclawren.

What the fuck?

[DemonHybrid]

Even if you wanted to lynch tclaw, that's a wagon that I presented evidence for and started, and you've been doing nothing but pushing a case against me. So...why lynch tclaw and not me?

[DemonHybrid]

Oh, never mind, I get it. Lynch me and then him. So you're lining up a lynch.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: No Lynch

I didn't like pappums using an argument that he wasn't involved in at all to push a counter-lynch. It was the scummiest thing I've seen all thread, especially with the fact that I didn't state any new information from before. His reaction and logic after I posted that I wasn't sure and needed a case from both sides sealed the deal for me.

Hint: If you're going to use information from the thread, especially a claim like "you lost this argument", you better damn well have evidence to back it, especially when you're in a situation like that (L-1, lots of pressure, making up wild claims, etc)

Benmage, you have to answer for your last few posts. Why are you lining up lynches? Especially tclaw, who you've had almost no prior interactions with?

[DemonHybrid]

Funny, I didn't know one No Lynch vote turns the game into night. Gotta remember that for the future.

[DemonHybrid]

We're in a probable MyLo situation. That said, I'm not against any information coming out on the table.

[DemonHybrid]

Funny, I didn't know one No Lynch vote turns the game into night. Gotta remember that for the future.

Not the point. The fact that you even mentioned it is worrying.

Worrying how? When did it stop being common practice to prepare for a no lynch with a probable 2 townies over scum left (given that this game has 3 scum, just like

every other

mini game has)?

Preview edit: You haven't fucking explained a thing about your goddamn tclawren suspicion. He just suddenly showed up on your scumlist when I mentioned him.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow DH thanks for claiming scum with that disgustingly rushed hammer.

No point to cut conversation off.

I'm on my phone so I can't address anything.

AGAIN YOU DIDJT START THE CASE...MAYBE PRESSURE, OR THE WAGON. but not the case as noone voted him for your "case" reasonings.

You say I haven't said much to tclawren??? I haven't said much to many. I had things I personally wanted to ask split. I wanted to rail into drews vote which screams nooooooob...and oh yeah hazard has 2 posts!!! But for some reason you hammered.

You are SCUM.

If I die tonight lynch tclawren.

And this whole post sucks because not only did people vote nintendo because he overreacted to my vote on him (so you were wrong about that), you also give absolutely no reasoning as to why tclawren should die should I be lynched. Nor did you do so at all before this.

[DemonHybrid]

Reviewing post 161…I’m not sure I fully understand your dislike for tclaw. Bullet it for me please.

Why?

If I die tonight lynch tclawren.

Guess who posted all 3 of these? And in order?

[DemonHybrid]

What obvious joke? *looks at the thread* Oh, that's right. There isn't one.
VOTE: nintendo

This is the vote that came onto nintendo right after I explained that my vote was serious and that nintendo overreacted. tclaw, can you confirm whether or not this was based on an overreaction from NA1?

[DemonHybrid]

First of all. I don't like a no lynch in mylo, because usually only the most town player is NK'd. So no information is gained. I'd rather have the additional town vote if we are in a 5-3 mylo situation. Rather than going into tomorrow as a 4-3.

So absolutely dumb. Someone flips a CONFIRMED alignment and NO INFORMATION is gained? You're awful.

IIoA...what do you want to do next?

I asked for specifics...what are you trying to call me on for that? Being scummy?

So, we should ignore the fact that you had no case on tclawren other than the fact that you think I'm scum and I'm "bussing" him, yet you failed to explain what posts highlight your suspicions.

[DemonHybrid]

Benmage's train of thought (I'd rather have a town vote 5v3 over a 4v3 with an extra alignment even though:

-That town person can be wrong
-That town person can be tunneling onto another townie
-That town person could be a lurker and contributing absolutely nothing to the game) is so horrible and I'd like to know which one of you actually agree with this reasoning.

[DemonHybrid]

So why do you think ABR wants to lynch today? You know the guy who you couldn't be buddying harder this game..

Oh look...the two most veterans of the game want to lynch. What do you think about that?

And YES. I don't need a flip to call someone 99.9999% confirmed town. I'd rather use their vote than confirm my .00001% suspicion.

Buddying =/= recognizing that someone that has a kill flavor, role flavor, role type and kill logic all on his side is actually fucking town. Please take your head out of your ass. Signup date has nothing to do with ANYTHING and your last sentence is just so dumb. For one, you're wrong about one person and everyone is NOT infallible. A flip gives us CONFIRMED, CONCRETE information and a game's worth of wagons to analyze. What terrible logic.

Whose posts highlight my suspicion? I didn't look at all at tclawren that way. All I did was feel like you were busing. And since you're confirmed scum. I wanted to give some last information before the day ended and I was potentially NK'd.

1. No one in this game is "confirmed scum", so that's wrong
2. Without me flipping scum (which I won't), then you

don't have a case on tclawren and therefore are lining up lynches without reasoning

. You're basing two alignments on one flip.

Preview edit:

I don't even understand you're 3 bullet points.

Of course you don't, because you're awful.

No one in this game is confirmed anything. Even ABR could be lying about his claim. Some people STILL suspect him. So how is it not a GOOD idea to get a mod-confirmed alignment and a slew of wagon information to help us determine an outcome that affects whether or not the game is won or lost?

No, lets just take our chances on having an extra person alive who could be absolutely wrong about their suspicions and drive the game to a loss instead of having a confirmed alignment and let the remaining people have a ton of information to work with.

Preview edit 2: That doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that instead of taking that chance, we have something confirmed and GOOD for the analysis of whoever is left.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, it further proves my point when people talk about the no kill and how that would have happened. Lets say ABR is confirmed town (and he most probably is). If you have whoever is a doctor or JKer protecting him at all times, wouldn't scum have to kill someone who is more ambiguous as to their alignment? That leaves someone who is a probable townie left among a crowd of people with

one less suspect gone

. I don't see how that is a bad thing at all.

Ben, I don't know why you claim to prefer ambiguity, but I feel like we need all the help we can get.

[DemonHybrid]

First sentence:

Sounds like you have a reallllly strong town read here...Confirmed town?

"I didn't read a fucking thing you just said as to why you think he's town!"

It's not farfetched to assume someone with an older signup date has been around the block a lot more and is a lot more experienced/game knowledgeable than someone who just joined. (Yes just joined is a huge noob...using it as a point...just make my point less extreme)

ABR and I are the most experienced/Veteran here. Both here for a couple years both active over that span...So we have seen lots of play and an evolution of play.

ANYWAYS this is a

usless side tangent

we can argue some other time.

"I brought up useless information in order to get a lynch off! Since it didn't work, I backtracked and want to pretend this didn't exist!"

Call my logic terrible, again that'll really make yours sound better . Seeing ABR flip the Bear Jew One Shot Vig Town, will do nothing to add to this game in determining scum.

"I don't know how to analyze past interactions and wagons, and I don't know how MyLo/LyLo situations work!"

SOOOOOO????? You have to die first. You flip scum, tclawren goes under heavy suspicion. You don't (which won't happen, you will) Then my statement/point was moot.

"I just

completely fucking ignored

everything you had to say and just -restated the same thing-! Look at my new contribution!"

Jab jab jabity jab. Flail more.

"I don't understand how the context of situations work and I also don't know how to read!"

WOW really..you just listed a town of reasoning why he's town. Unless you're now trying to hold onto some .0001% suspicion.

"I don't know what "could be" means and how it has no relation to the amount of the preceding condition!"

NOPE!. You killed the guy who thought this.

"I have no short term memory!"

How amazing is the information going to be gotten by seeing people vote no-lynch?

You know what gives information NOT ENDING THE DAY EARLY WITH A RUSHED HAMMER.

"Let me ignore your point by pointing out something I already did 50 times!"

Counter argument: Lets kill our most town player by giving scum a free NK on our most obvious 99.9% confirmed town player…and still be lost tomorrow down one strong town voice. Awesome.

"I don't know how power roles work and I don't realize that there's been a no kill last night!"

If there is a doc/jk protecting a townie, scum could keep shooting, and town could keep no lynching...doing what?

"I have no clue what "And everyone lived happily ever after" is and why scum would want to avoid that!"

ABR, Pappums votes DH. DH quickhammers. Obvious scum is obvious.

"Quick, get this quicklynch off! Let me be a hypocrite by not analyzing a goddamn thing and commanding where others' votes will go!"

[DemonHybrid]

"Crap I'm scum caught with my pants down, let me just resort to insults"

If you had read them, you would realize that they aren't insults.

[DemonHybrid]

It's okay, I'll give you time to ACTUALLY READ THEM this time and realize that they're criticisms on your play, not insults.

For the record, drew and Hazard have been missing for a long while and I'd like them to check in.

[DemonHybrid]

"Quick, get this quicklynch off! Let me be a hypocrite by not analyzing a goddamn thing and commanding where others' votes will go!"

Benmage is the hypocrite. lol

hahaha

Um....yes.

Doing something after putting someone else for doing the same thing is being a hypocrite. I never denied that rat's lynch was quick. I do stand by the fact that there was good reason for lynching him, mainly recalling Ben and I's argument in an attempt to counterwagon for absolutely no reason whatsoever, since my reasoning never changed.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: *after putting someone else down

[DemonHybrid]

Your hammer was terrible play, you are really bad. I don't know what to say to you.

Maybe you don't have to say anything and put yourself in my shoes and maybe actually look at motivations instead of just coasting by.

Back to this post:

Continuing on that line of thought, in 61 pappums grills NA1 for voting without expressing prior suspicion to someone… on page 2. It’s a reaching argument that I do not like. And to me, scum have to make things to look for, therefore reaching logic = scum.

I'm going back and forth with pappums. He has limited interaction with the people who I'm currently suspecting and he only argued with townies (and ABR, but he's pretty much a stone's throw from being confirmed town at the moment). He also reached to keep his suspicion on ABR alive. Do not like.

The only things that keep me from voting him are:

1. He was the one that started the Toon Fighter suspicion. It reads off as genuine to me.
2. There's really less scum motivation behind suggesting the 1-shot SK than we might think, even if it looks scummy on the surface.

Hell, I'm not sure.

I post a summarization of my thoughts throughout the whole game and NOTHING has changed. Not a single thought had changed.

Underneath it all, it was a nudge to everyone that the arguments between rat and everyone else wasn't enough, and then he replies with this:

Thats L-1 folks, please express intent to hammer so I can claim first if you are tempted to hammer.

This game is an example of why minimum experience requirements are a good idea if I've ever seen one. :erk:

So now I'm someone you would vote for, even though

you have stated that you were ok with me

, eh DH? And over such absurd reasoning as well. After re-reading, DH really looks the worse of the

DH/Benmage conflict

, and

his sudden jump on me

once I'm at L-1 is scummy as hell.

Vote: DemonHybrid

Not only did I note before that I wasn't okay with his current actions, he also had no part in Benmage and I's conflict and I did NOTHING to jump on him. I specifically stated a shitload of times that I wasn't sure (as in "HINT HINT: PLEASE GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION TO WORK WITH").

[DemonHybrid]

Point is, how could you say that hammer was bad when you knew the situation I was in? Knowing that I was one of the more active players and having had NO changes to my case whatsoever, I get a reaction from him like that and it screamed scum to me.

[DemonHybrid]

Do whatever.

I don't appreciate people calling me dumb or bad so I'm going to stop posting unless people want to actually try to understand the shit going on this game and stop the adhom. Drew and Hazard need to check in and that's all I'm going to say for now.

None of those comments are baseless so go ahead and try to disprove them but you'll be wasting your time if you assume that I'm scum and base all arguments on that. They won't be valid.

Preview edit: no, he recalled our argument to back up his vote. It was really scummy because he didn't comment at all on our argument before that. I will defend that hammer to the death.

[DemonHybrid]

The hammer was scummy, DH. I read that page again, and it was scummy. Defend it all you want.

What makes me curious is that there aren't more votes accumulating. Scum's playing it safe, which they have the luxury to do. When in doubt, though, I'm going to vote with ABR,

because I feel like DH and Benmage are town,

and we can't let scum have a chance to quicklynch.

VOTE: Tclawren

Bolding mine. You think the hammer was scummy, but also that DemonHybrid is town? You're also openly buddying Albert by voting with him just because. What exactly does quicklynching have to do with anything else you said?

VOTE: drewoftherushes

Well, if we aren't going to no lynch today:

Splitfarvle is absolutely right. Not only because of the above, but because he jumped onto the Tclawren vote without even a single catchup post. Awfulawfulawfulawfulawfulawfulawfulawfulawfulawfulkillitwithfire

Unvote, Vote: Drewoftherushes

He's our lurker scum.

[DemonHybrid]

Fuck, was Tclaw put at L-2? (not officially, since Hazard's vote didn't count)

No, nonononono. Why are you relying on GUT, Hazard? Why can't you explain what evidence you're talking about? Are you serious?

[DemonHybrid]

The tclawren wagon is now, in my opinion, officially awful and I'm convinced people are trying to quicklynch him.

[DemonHybrid]

ABR, so you take the opinion (and I use that word loosely, because they had no reasoning whatsoever) of Hazard and drew on tclaw over the fact that tclaw is a probable mislynch because two really fast tclaw votes showed up after he already had 2 votes on him in probable MyLo?

Stop tunneling. The hammer was bad, but look at drew and Hazard's posts. They're fucking

awful.

Everyone needs to start looking at motivations!

[DemonHybrid]

The hammer was a bad decision, yes, but I defend the fact that I'm not a bad player and that I was well within my rights to hammer because of his retaliation post that made no sense.

And yes. It's probable MyLo. I expect you to do a LOT of explaining before you vote. You have 8 posts as of this post. That's pathetic.

[DemonHybrid]

Simply false, as I clearly state you have a strong town read.

Actually, you suggested that he was confirmed town to me.

What point would I be backtracking?

...the sign up date. You amnesiac.

There is plenty of interactions and past wagons to analyze.

But you don't want all available information. Okay.

I don't understand your complaint here.. I think you might be the confused one.

No, if you can't win an argument, you resort to "Well...you're scum, so there".

Way to simply continue the personal attacks as my comment was quoting, ONLY a personal attack. Congrats on trying once more to spin things to make me look bad and you look good.

Or I was commenting on how that only looked bad because it was an easily understood point and you "not understanding it" is a way to make ME look bad.

Clearly I do know what it means as I am calling you out for trying to hold onto suspicion.

Except I'm not suspicious of him. I'm just not calling him confirmed town. Derp.

Where's my error?

I posted this when I thought tclaw still didn't trust ABR. Benmage 1, DemonHybrid everything fucking else.

Not the safest thing to rely on. What arsenal does the scum team have?

Oh, I don't know, after we had a no-kill last night, you'd think that it'd be pretty fucking relevant that we have a protective role. Durr.

I'M not analyzing?!?! No player has analyzed more than I this game.

You said the same thing about CYS and look how that turned out You lost the game for town.

Not a single person voted NA1 for the reasons DH was. Not a single person thought NA1 was scum solely for the reasons DH did. EVERYONE Recognized NA1 a noob based on his interactions with DH.

tclawren.

DH couldn’t have a worse followup vote on tclawren.. Votes after Drew does.

No explanation.

’m calling DH’s quikchammer out. Not only was it simply horrible from a town perspective. But it was MASSIVELY advantageous from a scums perspective.

This is why you're a terrible player, because you don't look at both sides of the coin and realize the town motivation behind a hammer like that.

-A terrible breadcrumb
-Suddenly breaking into an Englishman character out of nowhere
-Using our old argument as evidence when he has no right to use an argument like that
-Voting me over a statement of no new information
-Holding onto his 1-shot SK bullshit

His vote on me was so fucking scummy and you are a bad player because you sit there and tunnel. And yet, not once have you mentioned Elsa, Hazard or drew.

-He opens with shitty defense of his hammer.
-Suggests a no lynch…
-Stick to his guns until everyone tells him how incorrect he is…then simply tries to defend that he isn’t a bad player in general.

It wasn't a bad defense. It's just a defense you don't want to fucking hear. And a no lynch in MyLo?

Call the fucking presses.

I defended the fact that ABR called me a bad player. I did NOT say that that wasn't a bad hammer, so shut up. I defended my reasoning for the hammer and said that it had town motivation, but the hammer itself was bad.

[DemonHybrid]

Welp, Benmage is a bad player, so I'm not going to listen to what he has to say. 5 dollars he resorts to "You're scum because you just are".

My vote on drew stands, because at least I'm not a tunneling chump like Ben is. Ben may or may not be scum, but I'm much more sure of one of the lurkers here.

[DemonHybrid]

Oh, and the reason why I'm pissed off at you is because

-I don't like arrogance
-I don't like wall posts
-I HATE when people mix the two

Just incase you were wondering about the hostility. jsyk.

[DemonHybrid]

You asked for the wall post.

Do whatever.

[DemonHybrid]

I love how you insult me in some manner that my attacks are baseless so I'll just call you scum.

5 bucks! Woo!

[DemonHybrid]

You asked for the wall post.

Do whatever.

Not exactly a resounding "no".

Not exactly a resounding "yes" either. More like a resounding "I'm annoyed at this game".

[DemonHybrid]

You asked for the wall post.

Do whatever.

Not exactly a resounding "no".

Not exactly a resounding "yes" either. More like a resounding "I'm annoyed at this game".

Yeah go back to avoiding the thread...because the personal jabs at me while I have legitimate issues is really immature. Which by the way is also a strong scumtell in my book.

Your book = your little fantasy world.

Not sure what you mean about avoiding the thread, either. I have double the amount of posts that you do.

[DemonHybrid]

My focus is on drew. Elsa and Hazard are suspect as well for being avoidant (and because split became really town lately), Hazard mostly for hopping onto the tclaw wagon right after drew and not doing much contributing and Elsa for being avoidant today, but being more than happy for being active yesterday.

In fact, the more you argue incessantly with me like an annoyingly loud parakeet, the more that I think that it's your normal arrogant town self, so I'm willing to place bets that:

-tclaw is being quicklynched, and I'm not comfortable with it
-You are you
-split is making excellent points and calling people out who need to be called out
-ABR's claim holds up (duh)

and that leaves the 3 of them.

So, tunneling just makes you look like an ass. Look at all 3 of them and then get back to me.

[DemonHybrid]

Hazard, just so I know that I didn't take acid, hallucinate and read something of my own imagination, did you say that Benmage and I's interactions were scum vs scum?

[DemonHybrid]

...

[DemonHybrid]

I've been prodded. But I'm angry at Hazard's statement and still want a drew lynch.

[DemonHybrid]

Those voting him for his "I'm surprised there isn't a wagon on me and I dunno what I was talking about" comments are awful.

[DemonHybrid]

You know what, screw it. I don't think Hazard is scum and I think the people hopping onto him are taking the opportunistic route. What kind of scum motivation is saying that "I'm surprised there isn't a wagon on me"?

Unvote, Vote: Elsa von Spielburg

[DemonHybrid]

CMAR, just fucking vote me and get it over with then. I'm not reading your bullshit and it's obvious that you're suspicious of me.

You know what, screw it. I don't think Hazard is scum and I think the people hopping onto him are taking the opportunistic route. What kind of scum motivation is saying that "I'm surprised there isn't a wagon on me"?

Unvote, Vote: Elsa von Spielburg

Playstyles. I've seen scum often use the "too honest" approach; often it leads to people defending them in the way you are for him (though I haven't ruled out you two just being scumbuddies covering for one another). And while I think town can use bluntly honest words, his tone and post style/amount just don't sit right to me. He oooooozes scuminess.

By the way, you ignored this completely passive response while accusing me of ignoring Elsa.

I'm fucking sick of the personal attacks and I couldn't care less about this game any longer.

[DemonHybrid]

I'd have cared more about this shit if people (Benmage, ABR, CMAR) stopped being assholes and didn't go down the "you're a fucking bad player/moron" path, but at this point my care is at 0%.

[DemonHybrid]

Just because I made a mistake in a hammer due to a shitload of things that convinced me that something was off, believed a jester claim because it's part of Scott's meta or because I haven't talked about every single person at every time (just like everyone else did with Hazard, drew and Els) doesn't make me a bad player or a moron, so fuck off.

[DemonHybrid]

Once someone else says it's a good idea to No Lynch, suddenly it's an awesome thing to do.

I hate you all.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Elsa von Spielburg

[DemonHybrid]

Calling drew, Elsa and Hazard.

Fuck this game.

[DemonHybrid]

Maybe next time you guys will sit and actually fucking think about why scum would have the motivation to do what I did this game. Because there is none. Pappums was scummy, Scott has mod meta and you guys fucking annoy me with your holier than thou elitism.

[DemonHybrid]

And maybe next time you'll think "Oh, I think scum would most likely give weak responses to accuasations like Elsa, or lurk like Hazard, or randomly switch a read to suit himself like drew. Wow, I was a fucking idiot in IB mafia and I should have listened instead of being an asshat."

And its okay if you think that, because you'd be right.

[DemonHybrid]

What really takes the cake and pisses me off the most is your stupid fucking tunneling to the point where you won't listen to common sense like a no lynch because it came from a guy who you wrongly read as scum because you can't read motivations, but as soon as someone random chimes in, OH. It MUST be a good idea! Choke.

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, I know this means NOTHING coming from Bad Player McGee, but wasn't drew the one with the town read on me yesterday?

But don't pay attention to me. I'm obviously just a fucking bad player and shouldn't be considered.

Go ahead and drive a point home and cost us the game. Ill just fucking laugh in your face.

[DemonHybrid]

Shut up and wait for the game to end.

[DemonHybrid]

I feel happier seeing your dumbfounded and stupid reaction to how fucking wrong and bad you are over a town win. More satisfying.

And there we go. Congratulations, idiots.

[DemonHybrid]

Benmage: You are a fucking idiot. Never play with me again.

CMAR: You're scum or bad by hammering without any discussion and not even listening to me. Either way, you did nothing this game but contribute to a loss.

ABR: I don't exactly respect you after saying what you did. Shit like that goes both ways.

[DemonHybrid]

CMAR YOU IDIOT. The game is over.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: Benmage AND CryMe, never play with me again.

[DemonHybrid]

Too bad I don't feel the same for you. Think before you call someone a retard and hammer without ANY discussion.

[DemonHybrid]

Drew and Elsa, you can speak now. Tell Benmage how wrong he is.

[DemonHybrid]

4 mafia?

Whatever.

[DemonHybrid]

Glad this is over. Later.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm actually frustrated at the lack of respect, Elsa. It was ignited by ABR's comment, but CMAR and Ben fueled it, even if they were playing to their wincons.

I don't know how I feel about the setup. A traitor can be a terrible threat to the town as was evidenced; I think it could have done without the lovers.

[DemonHybrid]

Well, whatever. I'm willing to let it go.