Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over
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I like Cop and Last Will. If I could guarantee getting two of them at the same time, I'd go that. Then I wouldn't use the Cop ability for the first couple of days. The combination of that and last will ensures that Cop is being used at end game, where it's stronger. Unless it lands in the hands of scum, which is always the risk.
Cop and Doc is not a good combination in the same person. If they get shot we lose strong PRs.-
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Yeah, me asking questions to better understand the roles, that's so scummy. If I was scum, I'd probably just be discussing the roles with my buddies in QT.
Speaking of which, while scum will have more cash, there's likely only 3 of them. So lets assume 9v3 (allowing for a 3rd party of some kind). They'd have to have x3 the money we have, which is possible, but they'd have to go crazy with it.
I agree that somebody should throw down a 99 bid on the NK, just to make them bid more.
Also, while I like the already proposed questions for the Set up Knowledge, the one that I want everybody to ask is "Are there more than two different win conditions amongst the PMs?" Then we can fuck around with the money questions.-
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No, that's perfectly fine. That's basically like us getting two lynches instead of there being 1 lynch and 1 scum kill. Sure we could be wrong, but we could be wrong about the lynch too.
Also, if scum get the doc and block the NK, a) we've stopped the scum from getting a NK and b) we've set up a likely lynch for tomorrow. Yes, scum could block it even if it's a town hit, but that's fine, they have to use up a doc power, we lynch within 24 hours of the next day starting and BAM, even if it's a mislynch we all get crap tonnes of money and the cycle starts all over again.
I'm liking this.
I would like to nominate Red Coyote to bid $99 for the NK. If he has already bid on something I'd like him to nominate (and recommend Reg)-
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Apologies for the triple post, but you'd all best get used to it.
NK isn't the only ability that should be claimed
Night Kill
Governor
Investigation Immunity
Extra Vote
Vote Nullifier
these should all be claimed, as they are stronger in the hands of an unknown scum than in the hands of an unknown town.
The rest, should stay hush hush.
Totally open for discussion.-
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Extra Vote and Vote Nullifier are not that great. Town will always be in the majority (otherwise we've already lost) therefore open and transparent lynching is one of our greatest weapons.
If scum want to waste their NKs on town with those abilities, that's awesome, it'll leave our cops and docs free to do their thing.-
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Also, people to claim those abilities will help us know who has what money.
Governor goes for $80? Then a town should finish the day on $19. But then that person claims the next day to buy something with $60... hang on.. etc
It's not foolproof, but it's information for us that doesn't help the scum.-
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I'm assuming robbing from the marketplace is not affecting the bids, otherwise we'd have an update?
Vote malpascpAt first I thought this post was too heavy handed to be scum. But then I remembered I hadn't voted yet and this seems like a good place to start.
"nominations is mafia stuff"
Nominations? Like how I just nominated you for a lynch? What would have been better, me saying "hey, somebody should totally win that Night Kill" and then left it up for people to sort out themselves?
Or maybe you'd prefer a bidding war between 2 or 3 town members, costing them $1 each time. Personally I'd prefer a $99 bid and then just wait for the scum to trump it.
Iceguy, did you even read which powers I was referring to by who should claim? Cop and Doc weren't on the list. Only ones that are stronger in the hands of scum.-
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Ah, you're talking about claiming on bidding, I'm talking about claiming outcome. Slight but important difference.
The problem is, we don't want the scum to know who has won Cop or Doc.
There's no problem with nobody bidding, because we can see that.
Everybody increasing their bids slowly and competing with each other is a risk. That's why I suggest that people make single large bids, instead of competing.
I'm going to try something risky.
I'm the guy who has bid $41 dollars on the Set Up info.
I think I'm the man for the job. I've written complex set ups before and I think I'll get us some useful information. My first question will be about win conditions, so even scum will want to keep me alive for N1 because that's interesting info for them too. After that, I'll likely be trying to narrow down questions about the scum, which means they might want to start aiming at me.
I would like nobody else to compete with my bid.-
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WeyounsLastClone wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:He could've bid $50 as his max. Someone else bids $40 as their max, so that would make his current (winning) bid $41. Like on ebay.
True, but from his statements I believed he had bid exactly $41.Seacore, can you confirm?
Willing to hammer, particularly for the boldest portion. For the record, I was trying to make it look like I'd bid exactly 41 but I'd bid much more.-
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Okay, now that I'm not on my phone I can elaborate a little more.
I'm happy with WLC's lynch (and thusly hammered) for a few reasons
1) I think he's scum
2) If he's not, he's struggling with the game concepts to the point that he's a liability.
3) The combination of these two reasons suggests that he'd be the eventual lynch 10 days from now, so a lynch now just gives us more money.
After I hammered he didn't even bother to thoroughly check if he was actually lynched. If I was town and somebody said they'd hammered me, I would triple count the votes before assuming I was safe and going to sleep for the night. And when I saw that I was hammered, since I've barely made a case on anybody, i'd post some reads.
But instead there were three posts.
1 - Hey guys, if you're going to lynch me, wait a bit and lets talk for longer. By the way, he's a non-informative comment about tomorrow's auction list.
2 - I thought I was at L-2, (which was wrong) but then you voted for me, so I should assume I'm L-1 now, but I'm still not going to share any information. I'm not even going to confirm that I have the same PM as the sample, but I will heavily suggest it. I understand that people might hammer me (sorry, already happened), but I'm not going to give them any information right now to help out town.
3 - Despite the fact that somebody (I can't remember who) said it was a bad idea for us to confirm the exact max bid we've submitted, I want Seacore to, and then when it's clear he's trying to trick scum into wasting a dollar or so, I'm going to imply that he's scummy for it.
I think it's safe to assume that he won't be back before night falls.
It may just be from my POV, but I get the feeling that I might be tonight's NK target, since we don't have anybody claiming to have obtained the kill.
If before Night falls somebody claims it, whoever won the Doctor, don't use your ability, since we can hold that person accountable tomorrow
If nobody claims the NK, can the doctor please flip a coin. Heads I get targeted, tails somebody else. That gives scum a 50% chance of wasting their kill by targeting me.-
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Also, I apologise, but I now realise that I have potentially botched an opportunity to guarantee knowing who had the NK. I shouldn't hammer within the 30 mins of waking up. I'm pretty dirty with myself right now.
As it is, it looks like there's been a single bid. Nobody bid on NK during pre-game either.
I'm very dirty at myself, my head was out of the game all weekend and I've botched this. GRRRRR-
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Hi guys,
When I said I botched the end of D1 I really meant it. Apart from not letting us set up a better chance of getting the NK, I also misremembered the set up question ability and thought it was a night PR. I only re-read it after my hammer. So I've asked me question now. That question is ""Are there more than two different win conditions among the role PMs sent to players?"
I'll get an answer whenever Magua logs on.
But hey, we did awesome. Getting a strong efficiency bonus = good, lynching scum = good, doing both? Yeah!
If some towny did get NK and used it, I would like to hear about it in thread, we can then discuss whether the Doc outing themselves is a good idea or not.-
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You don't get some of your results before you have to submit your other actions. ie You won't know where your tracker target went to the protect their target.
Tracker is really powerful end game, because you have fewer players to choose from and you can narrow down on people's claims. It's not so strong early, because even if you target scum, it may not be a scum that is doing anything that night, so you get useless results. It's even more useless in this game, because people don't have to maintain claims "Hey, I'm the doc from D1" "but you didn't go anywhere N5" "Uh, yeah, because I ran out, duh". That doesn't happen in a normal game.
So, tracker could get really lucky, tracker could hit the scum who wins the NK and then bam, we nail scum, but it's unlikely.
Compare this to watcher. Knowing a watcher is in a normal game, and town, is incredibly powerful, because scum can't always target the most obv town for their NK. Because chances are, there watcher is watching them and bam, Scum is busted. In this game it's slightly different, because we'll know there's a watcher out there, but we won't know the alignment, we also won't know the alignment of the person with the NK.-
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Okay I just got my answer. So as you'll recall, my questions was
"Are there more than two different win conditions among the role PMs sent to players?"
My answer was in theaffirmative(just in case quoting = copying a one word answer)
So, there's the win condition in the Entrepreneur Role PM. Then there's the scum one. Then there's at least one more.
Unless there's a hole in my question, but I think I've covered it.
So, that could mean there's a 3rd party. Or it could mean that members of one of the other two factions have a different worded win con. So if you're town and not an Entrepreneur, check your win con. Don't answer anything in thread, but eventually, I might want to know.
Tomorrow I might as about how many people are in the same faction as the Mafia Zaibatsu Member.-
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Of course hiphop, I made the connection the moment Night landed and then promptly forgot. Excellent job picking that up.
That means
1. Doc protected target
2. WLC won the NK.
3. Scum held on to the kill.
However, if that's the case, then we must assume that no other scum were in a position to outbid him, because why wouldn't they have just bid $1 more?
There's the possibility that there is town with lots of money and they did that... but still.
Yes hiphop, throw all of your money down on the NK. Good job!-
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I do not think Newman's bidding is scummy.
I think it's dumb.
From now on, EVERYBODY checks the thread before they start throwing bids down. We need to be as organised as we can. Newman, your lack of checking has potentially cost the town $90. That's one person's entire pay from last night.
Nobody gets a free ride on that from here on in. Bidding without checking is from now on a scum claim.
Okay, so now that that's out of the way, I think Newman may be scum
Newman bid and won oracle yesterday. That is $20 +1 for bidding.
Newman made two claims today one of which was $189 +2 for bidding
So that is $222.
I'm going to go with the fact that Entrepreneurs start with 100 and then got another 90 last night. Where is your $32 coming from Newman?-
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You invested money and bid on Oracle?
Given that you paid 21 to bid on oracle you would have had 79 to invest, giving you a maximum investment return of an additional 39.
So how early in the day did you invest? Before you bid on oracle? After? How did you know 20 was going to be enough to win oracle? Investing 64 of your left over 79 doesn't give you much room there.-
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Woohoo! Confirm town!
I won't be going for any abilities today, since I don't want an even larger target on my back and then to lose us abilities.
Two scum factions is definitely a possibility.
In a mini, the difference between 1 mafia team and 1 SK, and 2 small mafia teams is almost unimportant.
Of course it may just be that the win conditions are sufficiently different in wording that my question could never provide useful results... which would be a shame, but hey.
I'd really like some more info from Newman right now, but he's wandered off (to a scum QT?)-
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HellloooNewman wrote:I bid a lesser amount, and was outbid. I then bid all that I had left available,, and was outbid.$189
HellloooNewman wrote:Good lord people, this is ridiculous.
- I bid $29 max on oracle.
- I won it @ $20.
- I bid on 2 other auctions, but did not beat the high bid (-$2)
- I invested $50.
- Day 2 started and I received $90 (wage + bonus)
- I then had $117
- I bid $116 on NK straightaway
- For a shirt time, I was high bidder
- 8 hours into Day 2, my CD matured and I received $75
- I was no longer high bidder
- I bidon NK$190
- I was told I was not the high bidder
Now that everyone knows how much cash I have, are there any more questions?
Newman has been inconsistent.
Let's look
He starts with $100
He bids $29 (+1 fee) on Oracle = $70 total
He bids on two more auctions unsuccessfully = $68
He deposits $50 = $18
He gets a refund of $9 when he wins Oracle = $27
He gets $90 during the night = 117
He bids $116 +1 fee) on NK = 0
That fails = $116
He gains his investment and proft +$75 = $191
He then, as he put it in his first statement "Bid all that he had left available"
Which should be $190 + $1 fee
But it wasn't, since then Hiphop would be winning at $191, not $190
Newman got the bid right in his first post, but realised he screwed up his fake maths and changed it to $190
Busted
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1. It's possible, as was suggested, that he screwed up his reading of Auction Detective, I know I've screwed up reading a couple of abilities, and thus he confessed rather than be busted.
2. I'm arguing that this is a lie.
3. You and I have both proven that he had $191 at the time he claimed to have bid it all on the NK. I have proven that he could only have bid $189. Thus he lied
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Yeah, I get that, I'm still not comfortable with his holding back of information. Which is why I'd like him lynched. Someone who has provided so much misinformation must be removed. First the 189 v 190 bid and now saying he had deleted things so he didn't have to provide info. It's not good, he should die. If we don't lynch him, I'd like you to kill him should you win the NK. Or to at least consider it anyway.
On the other front, it looks like MS is lying and should also be killed. I'd vote for either one at this point and hope you kill the other.-
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There's two things I look for when hunting scum
1. scum motivation vs town motivation, and I agree, there's not that much scum motivation for lying here.
but then there's
2. inconsistencies. Scum have to fabricate everything they say, even if they'd say it anyway, even if it's the truth, they have to run it past part of their brain to say "will this out me" and it's that process that reveals inconsistencies. Town have nothing to lose by openly putting down everything they do, so they'll tend to do it truthfully. Scum don't.
That's why I'm finding MS dodgy right now, and why I'm still finding HN dodgy.-
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Unvote. Vote Midnight Sorrow
Lets get this wagon on the move. MS has lied in thread and hasn't come back to clarify. Let's kill now, hope that hip hop takes out Newman or Icey and all gain our bonuses.
I'm happy with what Lady is bringing to the game, although I disagree on some points, but that's fine.
Also, just to clarify, I ask my questions during the Day, not the Night.
With that being said, lets move this to a lynch.-
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I disagree mainly with your thoughts on whether the town should direct the NK.
I think it should.
Yes the scum get 'input', but they get input on the lynching and we get to learn more info that way, while still having accountability.
Hell, we know I'm town, how about I direct the NK every night? How's that for a compromise? It forces our NK winners to do what I say or claim scum, and we know the scum aren't influencing the decision.
I see your points on Ghostlin, but I'm just not convinced. Yet anyway.-
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It'd be a toss up.
Assuming that we lynch MS, then I'd want Newman killed at night.
However, I'm also thinking that we should NK our lurkers, since i think it's a bit convenient that they just pop in every couple of days despite this being a game where town is rewarded for speed.
In which case Chaos would totally be on that list.
So right now either Newman or Chaos, probably leaning more towards Chaos since I definitely don't have a town read on him.-
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Either way, scum were forced to spend $100 for the NK. And then for some reason it didn't get used.
Meaning
a)WLC won it. Hah!
b)They held onto it
c)It was blocked
I guess we'll know tonight, or have a better idea anyway.
I'd be happy with a brisk lynch of MS at this point. I get the feeling that it's going to be MS who is lynched anyway, so lets get a wiggle on.-
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