Starcraft Mafia Mini 1210 (Over)

[Morthas]

Hello everyone~~ Especially the people who I know

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?
I did a while ago.

What's your favorite race in game?
Uh, Zerg.... i think.

If you were a character, which would you be?
Banelings baneling banelings ooohh~~~ Like a deadly green landmine~~ mine~

Ready for Heart of the Swarm?
Yup, tent and all.

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
Anything else you want to say?
Around 5 games or so.
Playing 3 games currently so my activity may be lower than usual i promise to try though.

VOTE: Evil
1. You sneaky bastard. (Reference to our last game)
2.

BANDWAGONZ

3. I always vote for Evil.
Three reasons enuf?

[Morthas]

Vote:Morthas for having three reasons for an RVS vote

Who said it's random? 3 reasons = genuine.

Vote:Morthas

for having three reasons for an RVS vote

Explain. Should he have more, or less? And why?

luuuuul. Psyche is town. But stupid.

What's wrong with his question?

That's silly. It's so passive.

Obvtown if i ever seen one.

Vote: Morthas

You always vote evil? You didn't follow this policy last game. Clear lie, Mr. Scum. =P

Ohhhhhh, Touché.

@kiwieagle: You have ignored a couple of questions.

I never fail to make a wall at page 2.

[Morthas]

@kiwieagle: You have ignored a couple of questions.

I don't see what kiwieagle ignored where he was asked something.
If you're talking about the last part of the questionnaire, then I don't think that's enough of a reason to start something against another person.
Forcing a bad image on someone else, eh Morthas?

That or I am interested and would like to have those answers for future reference.
Looking for reasons to accuse people, eh Stels?

[Morthas]

That or I am interested and would like to have those answers for future reference.

Spoiler: Oh look here

RQS. Partially to get all the Starcraft talk out of the way now, and partially to allow for some analysis of how you typically type.

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?

Yes. But never the campaign, and raynor is from the campaign.

If yes:
What's your favorite race in game?

Protoss

If you were a character, which would you be? (This has 100% nothing to do with your role, don't name claim)

Idk

Ready for Heart of the Swarm?

nope

If no:
Do you like puppies? (got to have something in here for any non-Starcraft players - lol)

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
Anything else you want to say?

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My Answers:

I played Starcraft and currently play Starcraft II.
I roll with Protoss. 4 gate --> expand --> robo --> win
Zeratul
OMG Yes

I've played Mafia for two months or so. I have one completed game on this site and four completed on another site. Playing in a total of six games right now (don't worry about activity, I'm good with that), with two of those approaching completion.

So you want to know how much experience he has in mafia? Why not just do that yourself and click his name and see almost every game he played in. Not that hard >_>
I fail to see how you are 1.

desperate

for someone to 2.

answer a questionas useless as that

.

Uh, do you expect me to look for his posts in various games? Why are still on this?
His wiki is empty, no links in hindsight.
Desperate? That is exaggeration if i had ever seen any. Why would you exaggerate over something so simple and calm? Maybe it's because you don't like how your attempt in creating suspicion around me had created this potential of backfiring at you. I can see more scum motivation in this than town.
VOTE: Stels
2. Useless? I already explained my reasoning behind asking kiwi for an answer, it is NOT useless.

[Morthas]

Question about your past experience....
Wikis tend to have a player's past games...

[Morthas]

1. You are overreacting.

In what way exactly?

[Morthas]

Why did you unvote me Rewq?

[Morthas]

Espe...?

[Morthas]

I mean, explain?

[Morthas]

Ubermad.
On another note, where are Acronach, HellloooNewman, kondi2424, avasthearties?
Lurkers, stop lurking!

[Morthas]

Only scum is ubermad when wagoned.

That....wasn't....serious. Don't make me think of you as a VI please.

[Morthas]

What is there to say? 3 pages full of "answer the question!" "what question?" "you know what question, now answer!" "what fucking question you talking about?" "SCUMZ!!!".

I sufficiently think the start of this game is retarded, and I have lost IQ points for having read it.

Better?

Excusing yourself from posting?
OH HAI GAIZ I'M NOT GOIN TO PLAI, BAT I DN'T WNT RIPLAIC AUT ANIWHO.
No offense intended.

[Morthas]

Not an excuse. A reason. Vastly different.

Just saying if you don't want to play, then don't.

[Morthas]

*sigh* Well this game is pretty much stagnant in terms of discussion, so for the sake of drumming some up UNVOTE: VOTE: Morthas for being kind of a douche and also calling me a lurker for not having posted in 24 hours. Frankly, there hasn't been much to post on, as Newman said. Well now there is. I believe Morthas is at L-2. Discuss.

probably because i couldn't remember any of your posts off the top of my head.

[Morthas]

Ubermad.
On another note, where are Acronach, HellloooNewman, kondi2424, avasthearties?
Lurkers, stop lurking!

He did call avas a lurker at one point. It's his Iso #9.

@Avas - why put someone at L-2 for discussion? That only promotes us wagoning you as opportunistic scum. Wouldn't it make more sense to ISO everyone and find something to build an actual case on? Hopping on a joke wagon in RVS is fine, but not when it puts them at L-2. Someone unvote please.

I still dont know how you can call someone lurker in page 3 tho

Add these up: I'm at work, time is dragging, i'm bored, nobody in all 3 of my games are posting. That's how.

[Morthas]

I failed to mention this but i sometimes lose enthusiasm for this game for a few days when there are some events happening during life. Sorry for my being away, i'll post as soon as i get some sleep and some free time.

[Morthas]

VOTE: Vote:Acronach for not even confirming yet.

huh
you expect him to confirm because....
....
you voted him?
Guys Achronach is gonna get replaced
stop wasting your time.

Yep thats EXACTLY what I expect <------ (CLARIFICATION: THIS IS A JOKE)

UNVOTE: Acronach

Uh, WTF?
Let me get this straight, you vote for a lurker, you get called out for it, you answer in sarcastic way and you end up unvoting the lurker in the next post?
You prooved that your initial reason for voting the lurker had scum motivation ( aka, find easy prey)

VOTE: REWQ
Ah @Phyche: Just explain how you came to that conclusion, i am very interested.

I am not sure about the Vifam thing, I'll look into it later.... probably.
Am i supposed to answer some questions? If i do, please reask me.

[Morthas]

Your meta- investigation of rewq

[Morthas]

Fair enough

[Morthas]

It's still pretty weak for a vote, just saying. The cases on Vifam and gbevil are much stronger.

Do me a favor and summarize them for me. I'll look it up later myself.

[Morthas]

Yeah, but gbevil's not here. We need to put pressure where pressure needs to be put.

Stop.... explaining....your.....intentions.....

[Morthas]

Do me a favor and summarize them for me. I'll look it up later myself.

> Vifam
He gave me the scummiest vibe. He was a little quick to jump on the town v town call, and never really gave any evidence towards his own behalf. In fact, he hasn't given us much basis for anything he's done. I also don't like his comments on the Morthas wagon, which seemed by and large an RVS kind of thing.

> gbevil
It was simply some small scum-vibes I got from the way he defended himself. I'm keeping the specific points to myself to see if he'll repeat them, but you can go read what he's said. It's all there.

So far, i prefer my rewq vote, as i said, ill investigate them myself.

[Morthas]

Ho shi- I didn't post in 3 days? Uh, post probably coming today.

[Morthas]

I am slowly becoming a fan of Psyche, this is way stronger than anything we got on rewq

I've already responded to all points in Psyche's case, so vote me if you find it convincing. I have nothing else to say. I have a feeling I'm getting lynched today anyway.

This post, right after Psyche's case on him is especially scummy.
I find saying ''I have a feeling I'm getting lynched today anyway" Without saying anything beforehand scummy since as town you'd want to help town as much as possible before the mislynch (From his POV) and not act as if you don't care, the fact that his activity has dropped astoundingly after that is also interesting.
VOTE: gbevil

unvote

VOTE: Gbevil

If no one likes the Vifam case, then on to my second suspect.
Eagles eat kiwis

wtf? This post is "Oh can't lynch a, so let's go lynch b". Wagonjumping much? ISO TIIIIIIIMEEEE~~~~

FoS Kiwi

You are always by the sidelines, off the radar, minimalistic scumhunting. Response?

Here is my full claim:

Name: Fenix (he is in the first game and brood wars which i havent played so anything i can tell you flavor-wise is from a wiki. He is protoss so cannot be the leader of the raiders.)

Ability: After death I can cast One vote at any point later in the game, and then I can also remove it. After I looked over the wiki I saw that after he dies he is made into a Dragoon so he can continue fighting. This is the only thing I've read about him that works with this power flavor-wise

Now why as scum would you claim with a Beyond the grave ability?

UNVOTE: rewq455
I am...
(1) Edmund Duke
(2) Terran

I'm Overload, I basically work as a town watcher/lookout.

No one asked for an ability claim... Over-justification much? Plus, the second part of your role "Lookout" doesn't quite make sense.
Yes I know what a watcher does, but giving two definitions to your ability is just... over-justifying.
VOTE: Vifam

That's crap reason to vote someone while there are 2 very strong wagons going on atm.

FoS Stels

[Morthas]

Ah and
Gabriel Tosh, http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Gabriel_Tosh
Terran.

[Morthas]

Ah, nvm about that last bit. I got ninja'd

Silly you.

[Morthas]

UNVOTE: rewq455
I am...
(1) Edmund Duke
(2) Terran

I'm Overload, I basically work as a town watcher/lookout.

No one asked for an ability claim... Over-justification much? Plus, the second part of your role "Lookout" doesn't quite make sense.
Yes I know what a watcher does, but giving two definitions to your ability is just... over-justifying.
VOTE: Vifam

That's crap reason to vote someone while there are 2 very strong wagons going on atm.

FoS Stels

Maybe someone should check their role pm.
God I hate themes I know nothing about.
Your FoS means nothing. Just

a measure to pre-vote someone if wagons change.

I was a part of the rewq455 wagon, yet that's not moving anywhere atm now, is it?
UNVOTE: Vifam

That's exactly why it's NOT useless.
Why did you unvote her? Nothing has changed. Regardless if it was a good reason to vote her initially, it's still scummy to unvote without an explanation.

[Morthas]

@Morthas: First it's a "crap reason to vote" and now it's "why did you unvote?" Make up your mind? You actually mentioned it yourself, nothing has changed. Did you do what I asked you to do?
I hate this game... :<
No offense DN.

It's crap reason to vote but you did, unvoting just shows that you admit it except you didn't admit it anywhere in the post where you unvoted.

Scum A tried to look like he's doing sometime by accusing someone because of something stupid -> Player A points out stupidity behind it -> Scum A feels pressured and backs down before more players turn their attention to him. That's what it looks to me.

[Morthas]

1)She constantly wagons (she just goes "oh yeah your right")
2)She sees me change my vote (to gbevil) and suddenly screams YOUR JOINING A WAGON = YOUR SCUM. 3) IM GONNA ISO YOU (which btw is the ONLY scumhunting she has done the whole game) 4)(oh and she never ISOed me) 5)(oh AND LOL I JUST NOTICED SHE DID THE SAME FUCKING THING)


oh and I have a feeling Stel is bussing her.

Ignoring your disability on reading genders (My avatar depicts a male + under it, it clearly says ''Gender=Male")
1) Reading my own ISO I have voted Stels, Rewq, Gbevil (in that order)
Stels: My own reasoning, Not even close to a wagon
Rewq: Did my own research, Wagon
Gbevil: Not my own reasoning, Weaker-than-Rewq-Wagon Wagon but still a wagon i guess~.
2) Just reread what I said before... The way you joined gbevils wagon looks like blatant wagonhopping.
3) How is that the only scumhunting I did all game? I don't want to be the one who points out my own scumhunting but did you actually read my ISO or are you just full of shit?
4) I did ISO you, that is how I came to conclusions.
5) I don't have anything to say...

I am still willing to say Gbevil still is more scummy than kiwi, rewq, Stels.
Gbevil> Rewq> Kiwi> Stels.

But his claimed ability, is again, interesting. If his claim is true, and he is scum, would it be in our interests to lynch him? Could there be a scum beyond-the-grave-voter? Would scum-he lie about his ability in this way?

Well, it would be a decent fakeclaim, I think. Insert thoughts on gambit utility here.

These considerations are the only thing that would give me doubt.

No idea about how bastardly is this game in order to give scum such a deadly/weird power but It's nothing to not vote scum over IMO.

@MOd: Can we get vote counts more often please? The last one was 4 pages ago and it's most certainly outdated.

[Morthas]

Why are you flailing kiwi?

1. Stels wasnt a wagon, more like RVS (

I wouldnt call that reasoning, you voted him for saying answering those was useless. WHICH IS TRUE, WHY DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION SO DESPERATELY?

)
You did your own research on rewq? lol bullshit. I made a case on him, and you just say repeat what I say.
2.LOLOLOL YOU DID THE SAME THING
3. Tell me where you actually scumhunt. Just quote it.
oh and reading your ISO

1.Stels wasn't a wagon, correct. I didn't "desperately" wanted to know, I found it scummy that Stels was jumping at me when I was asking them. Besides, 1. wasn't only about stels it's about my behavior in general, strawman.
2.

2) Just reread what I said before...

The way you joined gbevils wagon looks like blatant wagonhopping.

Look at the bolded part very closely.
3. Make other people quote them, It's subjective and I'm clearly biased towards myself.
4.

You are always by the sidelines, off the radar, minimalistic scumhunting. Response?

I just realized your behavior can be easily associated with a Strawman's.
Change that list to Gbevil>Kiwi>Rewq>Stels.

[Morthas]

flailing?


....really?

Out of all the possible things you could say.... you say im FLAILING>?

umm ok.

and you didnt refute anything I said

All you did was raise me in your scum meter and say im flailing.

Why are you flailing kiwi?

Kiwi wrote:
1. Stels wasnt a wagon, more like RVS (I wouldnt call that reasoning, you voted him for saying answering those was useless. WHICH IS TRUE, WHY DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTION SO DESPERATELY?)
You did your own research on rewq? lol bullshit. I made a case on him, and you just say repeat what I say.
2.LOLOLOL YOU DID THE SAME THING
3. Tell me where you actually scumhunt. Just quote it.
oh and reading your ISO

1.Stels wasn't a wagon, correct. I didn't "desperately" wanted to know, I found it scummy that Stels was jumping at me when I was asking them. Besides, 1. wasn't only about stels it's about my behavior in general, strawman.
2.
Myself wrote:
2)

Just reread what I said before... The way you joined gbevils wagon looks like blatant wagonhopping.

Look at the bolded part very closely.
3. Make other people quote them, It's subjective and I'm clearly biased towards myself.
4.
Kiwi wrote:
You are always by the sidelines, off the radar, minimalistic scumhunting. Response?

I just realized your behavior can be easily associated with a Strawman's.
Change that list to Gbevil>Kiwi>Rewq>Stels.

Number of times and/or words that are associated with the word ''flailing'':
1 times mentioned, 5 words. Are you still saying the only thing I said is that you are flailing?
"All I did" was respond to every single of your points and have you ignore them completely in a straw man fashion.

For the record, I don't expect Morthas to refute a straw man argument. No one should.

The only way I will refute the straw man argument is if I realize i got the definition wrong.

[Morthas]

Sigh, It's very frustrating when that happens...
Gbevil/replacement can wait then.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kiwi

[Morthas]

I was Hangover~~~~~~ Post later.

[Morthas]

Ice sounds very town so far.

Who is he replacing?

Don't have an opinion on Scooby. Edit:Scum.

No opinion on Scott since he comments on minor stuff and not enough to work with hence not enough for me to detract my read which previously was gbevil's. Scum

Kiwi is being an idiot as per usual.

Wtf, Vifam shows up and just prod dodges without showing any intention to answer the suspicions of anyone about her or any otherr comment on game? Interesting.

No, not reading any backstory. All I know is what i got from the SC2 campaign and that should be more than enough.

Why unvote Rewq Psyche? If that was your reason to unvote then it's stupid, hence scummy. We need votes by all people especially so close to the deadline.Interesting.

Scooby is trying too hard to lynch Vifam because of her ''inconsistent claim''. Opportunistic scum.

If i believe Scooby's claim then for Vifam it would make sense to be Kerrigan since by starcraft lore that would make sense. (Already explained why) Which would mean Vifam is lieing.
Lieing is bad..Vifam. Although the mod said not to outguess him, this isn't something i want to risk on while i have stronger scum reads. Neutral and neutral scum only because of her inconsistent nameclaim plus the real possibility of lieing.

There are too many people i would want to lynch. I'll decide who i want to place my vote on sometime tomorrow. So far, I am rooting for Scotty-Gbevil, Kiwi, Scooby.

Whoever isn't voting, VOTE. We are 2 days from deadline.

[Morthas]

That was longer than expected.

[Morthas]

So far, I am rooting for Scotty-Gbevil, Kiwi, Scooby.

Kiwi lynch isn't a very good lynch. In fact, kiwi is a terrible lynch when compared to the other candidates. I'm also finding it scummy that you are calling scooby an "opportunistic scum" and using that theory as grounds for fencesitting on Vifam, as if scooby's attack suddenly make Vifam's play more pro-town.

FoS Morthas

VOTE: Vifam

Beyond a Vifam lynch, I suppose Scott Brosius and Morthas are my top two scumreads.

My rolename is confirmable by Newman's ability, should he choose to use it on me, and we should have at least one protective role to save our only claimed PR.

Scooby did not make Vifam pro-town, Scooby is a much better lynch than Vifam IMO. I never said that something made Vifam more pro-town.
I won't support no Vifam Lynch at this point.

[Morthas]

I have to admit that I hesitate on Vifam/Kerrigan partially cuz I wanna see if she can recruit me and give me simultaneous town and scum wincons. ^^

And there's KJScumenderrigan. Oh well.

I can reveal another piece of modtalk at this point. When I asked the Mod if the game had been advertised bastard,

he specified that the only kinda bastard-y role

was my own Duran role on the grounds that [REDACTED]. This weakly implies that giving someone only the Overlord name ala Vifam's claim is not very likely, since that would also appear to be a bastard-y move. However, this depends on what the Mod considers bastard-y.

He did NOT specify that my role was the only bastard-y aspect of the game

-- only that insofar as roles were a bastard element of the game, that bastard element was limited to my own role.

Maybe he's Kerrigan and he wasn't given a fakeclaim, or his fakeclaim was the human version of Kerrigan and he was afraid to claim it.

Morthas, what do you think about my modtalk allusion in 414?

I friggin hate bastard-y games.
How would it be a bastardly move to give an inconsistent rolename to vifam?
I haven't noticed this before, but. Did you just claim traitor?
Also, bolded parts. Don't those 2 statements contradict.?
Explain the bastard part of your role, you just claimed traitor and give me a reason not to support your lynch?

He introduced himself to the United Earth Directorate as a terran commando lieutenant[2] and later posed as an infested terran.

[Morthas]

I have to admit that I hesitate on Vifam/Kerrigan partially cuz I wanna see if she can recruit me and give me simultaneous town and scum wincons. ^^

That pretty much claims traitor? + It would make sense with flavor.

[Morthas]

I said that purely because of the flavor allusion + it's mod-confirmed that I will always have my town wincon regardless of any wincon modulation that may or may not happen.

He has also implied that more than one character is in a position to modulate my wincon (and maybe others' wincons, too -- not sure).

Cult Mechanic?
I want to hear more from Vifam.

[Morthas]

Vifam is 3 days 20 hours from posting her last prod dodge. She either gave up or is going to replace out. Pisses me off.

[Morthas]

Why the fuck aren't these people dead yet?:

Morthas

Hi, why? EDIT: I am opportunistic? Tell me more.

Psyche is paying very close attention to details and his scumhunting is right on point.
SB's intro post is golden.

Vifam is the most misrepresented player I've ever had the fortune of playing with. His early game play shows nothing but misinformed, confused and scared town play.

Helloo's claim is awesome due to the timing, details and confirmability, and his play has been pro-active as well, which unfortunately, got a bullshit and opportunistic wagon placed on him.

Explain, please?

You fucks will unvote Vifam this very moment and vote Espeonage or so help me god

Thanks for the insult, very nice of you.
I agree about Espe, I thought his play was identical with my last game with him where he was mislynched as town but I went back and in his last game he posted much more content and even attempted scumhunting at some point. I would still prefer a Scott - Kiwi or a rewq lynch over him.

To make it clear what Vifam claimed (since you dunno Starcraft, apparently), it would be like if this were a WW2 game and the roles were like this:

Iec: Hitler
DH: Stalin
kiwi: FDR
Morthas: Hirohito
...
[as such for everyone]
...
Vifam: Spy plane, Watcher

[Morthas]

Esp's defense is shit. We ain't going to lynch anyone else so I'll just drop the hammer.
VOTE: Esp

[Morthas]

Just effin' great, the post that I had been working on was mutilated. I'll see how much of it I'll retype...

[Morthas]

So yeah, feeling bad for neglecting this so i'm going to post tomorrow or something.

[Morthas]

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Will speculation concerning KJ's role be useful in any way?

@DH: Don't you think your having a bit too much of the tunnel vision?

Arcturus Mengsk couldn't shoot me. That's not to say that one of them is lying but there is at least one kill restriction in this game. So I would err on the side of believing it. Again I'm clueless in terms of SC flavor, but in terms of mafia flavor, it makes sense I think.

This is the first time you ever mention this (correct me if i'm wrong), I don't see the town motivation of mentioning this at all. Claiming your ability which is now useless and which makes you effectively a vanilla townie ain't in our favor because scum don't have any reason to shoot you anymore and have more chance of shooting a legitimate power role.
Now claiming that DOES give off town vibes buut I could see scheming scum do the same in order to gain town cred.

That Jim Raynor should not be allowed to shoot some random hostile mass-produced flier unit makes no sense at all. So either scooby is not Raynor or Vifam is no Overlord.

QFT.
One of them is lieing and one of them has to die.

My role PM changed last night, but not with regard to alignment. Since the Mod hinted at alignment-modulators existing in the game, this means someone else may've been modulated.

The Mod stipulated that I would always have my town wincon regardless of modulations, so whoever was modulated may be able to safely claim as much. It would give us a better idea of how the wincon-modulation mechanic works. Of course, this depends on the modulation.

I like how the playerlist is gradually becoming Greek Mythology Part 2.

I agree that there's Scooby-Vifam weirdness. DH thinks Vifam is the towniest town evar, though. Maybe he'll weigh-in on it again in a bit. Sheeping him until an error doesn't sound like a terrible idea, either.

I'm betting that the infected has something to do here, either scum are infected and can infect or there is a third party that can do the same.

Is there anything I would benefit from knowing about "Greek Mythology Part 2" ?

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I breadcrumbed im cop so scum could target there kill on me, cause I have 1-shot bulletproof


and I dont think I got targeted

WHAT AGAIN? Everyone is claiming and it's stupid. Look at above except I don't see you scheming anything so it's more of a town tell.

EPWOP: its not 1-shot (I just realized I put 1-shot in there)

This makes it wrong for different but obvious reasons.

There is no scum motivation to claim that role along with a breadcrumb like that. It may be an iffy town play, but it practically confirms kiwi to me.

I agree, kiwi's town.

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Vifam situation screams for major clarification.

Yup.

Scooby's a lyncher, I can feel it.

Thanks for ''majoy clarification''.
I really don't like how Vifam is getting away with coasting through this game on.... Why is he clear again?

@DH please explain why I am scum and give me a chance to defend myself? I ISOed you and you personally have said no reasons why. I want to see your view on this.

Why is it that you only posted once after the day started where what you do is try to defend yourself.
I only see scum motivation there. Then again you can be a fucking lazy townie, betting on the first one though ^.^ .

WOW DID YOU REALLY VOTE SOMEONE AND THEN THROW SUSPICION ON TWO PEOPLE IN A ROW IN THE SAME POST

I am not sure if i should be shouting too. Fine.
OMFG YES I REALLY DID. I AM SURPRISED YOU NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE FINDING MORE THAN ONE PERSON SUSPICIOUS. NO SHIT I VOTED FOR ONE PERSON, I ONLY HAVE ONE VOTE AND I VOTE FOR THE PERSON I FIND

MOST

SCUMMY.

KIND OF A FREUDIAN SLIP THERE EH

Not really.
IRL I tend expect people to understand what I want without explaining throughout with the help of body language. I realized that it might not be entirely clear so I clarified myself.

OH REALLY

LETS TRY TO SET UP ESPEONAGE UP FOR A LYNCH IF NEED BE BUT PROTECT HIM AT THE SAME TIME

OR I ACKNOWLEDGE SOMETHING AND I ALSO POINT OUT THAT I FIND OTHERS MORE SCUMMY THAN HIM AT THE TIME. You seem to conveniently ignore the possibilities and only point out what helps your case.

YEAH IT'S OKAY TO BUS NO WORRIES

How is that in any way part of your case? It's just a comment.

HERE IS THE TRAILER TO

Can we get the full thing out of the way already?

lolno.

You are an "overlord". I repeat, why would Raynor want to lynch an overlord? Unless you are lying about it?

I want a Vifam lynch today.

'
Why is it that you have never addressed the flavor associated along with the whole Vifam issue? Also, why do I get the feeling you know Vifam's true identity?

Stop trying to lynch Vifam, all of you. He is bad town right now because he is new. He says bad things.

Bad player = Town? His constant lurking and evasion of questions is becoming very scummy.

Please tell me what scum motivation there is behind blatantly calling someone a lyncher.

Are you implying there is a clear town motivation for doing it? It's a Null tell.

hint: there is no fucking scum motivation behind calling someone a lyncher and bringing nothing but negative attention your way. Vifam isn't good. He's new.

How did it bring any negative attention towards Vifam? It didn't. There is also such a thing as newbscum.

scooby, please get yourself a Raynor-avatar, will you, thanks.

Why hasn't this happened yet?

I agree that rewq is very scummy outside of being Fenix.

Espe fakeclaimed, nothing guarantees rewq's claim is real.

I'll continue this a bit later.

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I didn't finish rereading as you can see in the very end. I was planning on continueing but fine.
Presuming there are 3 scum I say rewq + Scooby or Vifam with leaning on Vifam because of her evading questions and lurking.

[Morthas]

VOTE: Vifam Start talking.

P-Edit:
@Scooby: I said Scooby OR Vifam, not scooby + vifam. I can't see both of you on the same scumteam.

[Morthas]

What makes you think a vote/kill restriction is the only part of scott's role? This looks like a long stretch to call some one scum.

1. It haven't crossed my mind + I have already been corrected.
2. I said I can see it done from both alignments so it's Null to me.

No content, no original thoughts, nothing that would shed light on the issue, but cool deflection, I give you that.

How about: Openly expressing my thoughts on the matter?

No content worth mentioning in the whole rest of that post, just random quoting and FUCKING ANNOYING ALLCAPS. I think I can skip that...

The only reason those caps are there is because I'm replying to DH, the one who either forgot to turn off his caps lock or got very excited.

@Iec: The 100% fullproof townwincon thing, does it apply to everyone or only to you?

[Morthas]

Other than Vifam is scum I can't see anything to explain his coasting(DH constantly defending him very much encourages it, yes i do realize DH switched his vote to him, he made it clear he doesn't want his lynch to happen.), evading questions and very possibly fake nameclaiming. I'm pretty sure nobody else even claimed zerg, if he was the only zerg would he really be an overlord?, either he is Kerrigan or isn't zerg at all.

[Morthas]

WILL POST AS SOON AS IM DONE PLAYING LOL WHILE INTOXICATED.

[Morthas]

FUCK ME, just deleted my post..... WOOOO RETYPING WITH HALF OF THE INITIAL STUFF MISSSING

SO, I basically found rewq fucking scummy (His replacements few posts gave me a town vibe though) alongside with vifam/scooby (as i said one of them hsa to die and the scummier one of them is obviously vifam for reasons that have been stateed before a million times)

Dh's tunneling is very frustrating since I can see it happening from both alignments and I have no clue how to deal with this kind of person. I believe his play to be anti town where he discourages town discussion by replying to everything in this very aggressive and undermining manor. I personally hope that I atleast get the chance to do a proper reread/reISOeveryone before I get lynched. Can I please get a solid reason why am I being targeted btw?

[Morthas]

TYPO's and Grammar is blamed upon my English being my 3rd language and my personal intoxication at the moment.
<3 You all. Feel free to ask me anything.

[Morthas]

Just lynch me or Vifam already, all that is happening right now is going back and forth with stuff that has already been discussed.

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Holy shit, I never did. I can basically get immune to night actions but not in consequence. Not sure if I should say if I did last night, pros-cons anyone? Kind of busy to think.

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If I use my ability night 1 I can't use it again on night 2 but i can use it again night 3 (Or not use it night one but use it night 2). Sorry, English isn't my native language. No X shot specified.
There is no Flavor but I guess you can associate it with Gabriel (Random fun fun fun fact: That's my Middle name) being a Super Space Ninja with a Sniper rifle.

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Yes.

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Busy with real life, also drunk right now, so this is the only thing that i will say, just hammer me or vifam already. I have lost all motivation for this day + busy irl stuff don't help.

[Morthas]

Veng Kill Shadow?! Wow.
3 Kills imply there to be a 3rd party alive and kicking which also NK'd either DH or Frank(The other name is too hard to remember)
I'd bet on Iec ( Being the 3rd party ) and Scott being the scum. I'll ask the mod about the wincon thing by Iec. I'll post more later ( Probably ISO Scott or something )

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The mod replied with something about your situation being different, not sure what to make out of that but it doesn't clear you either.
Ah and yeah, didn't have the time to look up into Scott.

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Nope~ Only that your situation is different than mine.
Can we please stop trying to outguess the mod? I don't approve.

@Kiwi: He also got frustrated whenever someone brought up the possibility of Vifam being Kerrigan as a cult recruiter

I'm off to read Scotts ISO ~

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What I meant by ''stop outguessing the mod'' is stop picking words and examining everything he posts as if he was a player. Setup speculation is fine by me.
Got distracted, back to Scott >.>

[Morthas]

Well yeah, gbevil was very scummy no surprise there.

[Morthas]

Ok so I am going to type out all of my thoughts for the sake of remembering them and investigation of them, maybe even help people who are lazy to reread, we shall see~

ISO 1-3 with no admitting to not know anything about the flavor, straight out claims Valerian Mengsk and votes for Esp (Later to be revealed to be his father) for meta reasons. After everyone nameclaimed he partly claims that his father is indeed in the game. He doesn't add anything after that and

ISO 4-7 Scott takes a Neutral stance on Vifam, partly agrees with DH about myself having different priorities, continues discussion concerning his father.

ISO 8-19 Opening vote on myself due based on NK analysis, after being shown the flaw in the logic he used in the NK analysis he continues to vote me based solely on DH's case. Repeats twice that he prefers my lynch over Vifam and mentions that rewq/ooba would be his third (rewq for uh.... ooba incase he fails to catchup) Ends with a comment which basically said ''I am confused, doubt Vifam scum"

ISO 20-Present Opens with "Morthas or Kiwi" (First mention of kiwi all game), Claims his ''bribe'' ability and reveals his Night Actions,
N1- Kiwi - ( Scott didn't express suspicion for kiwi neither Day 1 nor Day 2, this really doesn't add up)
N2 -Morthas

This is what I think, Scott's play makes complete sense as scum:

His reasons to vote Esp lacked reasoning and to me looks like bussing. Valerian and his father as scum make sense flavor wise too, from what I remember Valerian was a somewhat evil character. Voting due to meta seems like a safe way to bus to me.
He expresses a Neutral opinion on Vifam and as scum that makes sense since he was unsure of her alignment himself, he could see her being 3rd party and did not want to defend him nor did he want to switch vote to Vifam because in case she was town.
His undying suspicion on me starts as soon as DH joins the game and stayed there for the sole reason being: DH's case on me (Granted there also was the NK analysis suspicion but later on he admitted the flaw in that logic) .
His stance on Rewq ( 2nd scum in game ) in my opinion completely coincides with how scum would play after bussing their partner day1, by keeping a way for switching the vote for them but saying that he is scummy. ( Which he never explain why )
His claim doesn't make sense since he has not expressed suspicion for kiwi neither in Day 1 nor on Day 2.

So that's my case on Scott, I shall go now and check if it's safe to vote him.

[Morthas]

VOTE: Scott

[Morthas]

So.... your opinion on my Scott case?

[Morthas]

Hammered already? I just found time D:
Go town i guess.

[Morthas]

Oh, my bad.
What clears Scott?