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Hey guys ~
I've gotten the final clarifications about my role as of this morning. Now I will read.
I will say upfront that funky rolenames can be town this game. <_<
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I've played both games, but I mainly just play campaign. Playing online is lots of fun, but I find it extremely stressful.
Favorite race: Zerg
Favorite character: Probably Kerrigan, or pre-WoL Mengsk
HotS: <3 <3 <3
I've been on the site for years.
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Vote: Psyche for manufacturing reasons to vote people
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Agree with Espy #14 re: Psyche.
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GBE looks scummy in 21. "I'm sorry. I wanted to move on to mafia. Now I will make a joke vote."
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Not sure what's up with Stels -> kiwiwagon around 34.
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Not sure why Vifam thinks Stels->Morthas is town/town (38).
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Kiwieagle's choice to vote Morthas is mind-blowing. Morthas just wants him to answer questions; how is that "overreacting"? I do not think town would respond in this way; if anything, I think they would find Stels' crisis-creation more troubling.
Vote: kiwieagle
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Rewq's basis for unvoting Morthas does not make much sense. Morthas basically said NUH UH.
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Morthas is town (@ 49).
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GBE is CONTENT-wise correct, but his sidelining up until 51 is scummy.
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ESPEONAGE WTF ARE YOU DOING. I HAD YOU ON MY VERY SMALL MENTAL TOWN LIST. GOD. (VOTING MORTHAS @).
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God I want to kill half of this town (@ kiwi's 64).
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Can't tell if GBE is scum who feels awkward about his scumfriends in 65.
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Rewq and kiwi KILL KILL KILL. Even if they are town KILL KILL KILL.
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Avas votes Morthas for no reason! Yay. (74).
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If rewq is voting Morthas @ 76, he should die. EDIT: He is not.
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I do not know if Vifam is the only town player in this game, or just the only one who is giving a good faith effort.
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Stels can be on the "at least he's trying" list, too. Morthas, too, obviously.
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Oh yeah Psyche is town too I forgot. This one isn't even based on a desperate "plays the game" barometer.
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Kiwi's multipost about thinking rewq is town gives me town reads on Kiwi.
Kiwi, who do you think is scum? Surely not Morthas?
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Kiwi continues to give town-rays in 111. While I disagree with the implicity premise that Vifam is scum with Morthas, I think this post is a natural extension of Kiwi's past thought process + effort that I would not expect from scumKiwi based on what I've seen so far.
Kiwi is town.
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GBE is focused on REALLLY irrelevant things as of 114. Lots of cool stuff is finally happening in the game, and he's whining that an obvtown player won't give meta links. Scummy.
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Psyche is my boyfriend or girlfriend.
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I wish I could've gotten more comprehensive reads from KJ upon replace-in. Don't hugely disagree with either read, though I'm ambivalent on Vifam.
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Lol @ KJ being Karl Popper in 146.
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Why is Wifam ignoring GBE? I don't think his gut has said anything about GBE, but he doesn't mention him... EDIT: He does in an EBWOP (186).
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Fenix is town and probably in the game. Testosterone-y Starcraft fanboys are obsessed with Fenix for no discernable reason. I doubt he'd be demoted to fakeclaim territory.
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Fenix/rewq is obviously town @ 196. Unless DN supplied abilities with fakeclaims. Rewq did not make up that craaaaaaazy ability.
It does mean that the worst outcome is marginal, though.
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AAHHHHHH WAT MASSCLAIM?!?!?!?!?!!?!
I am kinda skeptical of KJ's Selendis claim. I would consider her relatively likely fakeclaim fodder.
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STOP CLAIMING CHRIST.
Oh well, w/e. I guess I'll claim at the end of this.
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Well, I guess I was correct that Kiwi's town. <_<
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The probability that KJ is correct about BROTOSS TOWN is 0%. DeathNote even has a comment in the rules section about like DO NOT OUTGUESS ME, so I'd be willing to bet that there's a discrepancy there.
Could be that someone has a Toss fakeclaim that Newman can find.
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I'm assuming Vifam is claiming "Overlord"...?
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KJ is lord of scum, but then he votes GBE in 239...
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I should make a claim summary...
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KJ is scum (312).-
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TOWN
Kiwi
Morthas
Espe (this one is weaker)
Iecerint
rewq
Psyche
Stels
MMMMMMMM
HelloNewman (leaning scum)
avas
Vifam (leaning town)
SCUM
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Rolename: Samir Duran
Race: That's complicated*
Duran is first introduced in BW as a Terran who helps the UED take over the Terran worlds. Then he's revealed to be an Infested double agent for Kerrigan, and he sabotages the UED's plans so that Kerrigan has the upper hand. Then he works for Kerrigan during her campaign, but leaves toward the end and is revealed to secretly be making a Protoss-Zerg hybrid, who are revealed as Big Bad mooks in SC2. He also appears as Dr. Narud (GET IT?) in SC2.
I think the dominant fan theory is that Duran might actually be some kind of force that possesses bodies; this explains why he can have will over Kerrigan even while infested. Whether he works for the Xel'Naga or the Dark Voice is unknown.
So you could consider Duran Terran, Zerg, Xel'Naga, or disembodied spirit. Which of these vibes DN was going for, I'm not sure. He's clearly familiar with both SC and SC2 lore.-
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I think rewq is very likely to flip town. I could just see someone thinking I'LL MAKE STARCRAFT MAFIA AND FENIX OMG BROTOSS FENIX WILL STILL PLAY WHEN DEAD!!! As such, I do not think he should be lynched. However, since he can still use his ability after death, mislynching him isn't such a big deal.
I think GBE and KJ are scummy. I would be happy to see both of them go. I actually think it's relatively likely that I might be recruitable (only based on flavor -- my role PM makes no allusion to this) and KJ organized a massclaim to find players his team can infest. His "lol RACE CLAIM FOR CONFIRMATIONZ" move is much stupider than what I've seen from him elsewhere, so I think this is the simplest explanation for such a move.
I thought about not posting that cuz it could be awkward in a few days, but ima hope for the best. ^^~-
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Here are the claims:
Kiwieagle -- Zeratul
killerjester -- Selendis
HellloooNewman -- Artanis (and he is also claimed inno cop+ for the hell of it???)
gbevilchaos -- ???
Morthas -- Gabriel Tosh
Espeonage -- ???
Iecerint kondi2424 -- Samir Duran
avasthearties -- ???
Vifam -- Overlord (and he also claimed watcher, similarly for the hell of it???)
rewq455 -- Fenix
Psyche -- Tychus Findlay
Stels -- Edmund Duke
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It is criminal that GBE has no votes.
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Claims basically confirmed Kiwi and rewq as town, though Kiwi was already obvtown before that.-
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They also made Vifam feel lonely. He's the only generic-unit in the game right now.
Will be interesting to see what the remainder claim.-
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Gosh, it's also criminal that KJ has no votes and that 3 of the most obvtown players in the game are the leading wagons.
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I would like for you to clarify what you think is circular. Sounds made-up.
Off the top of my head (these are all independent things that make me think you're scum):
1. I think the massclaim request was scum-motivated. Based on my past experience with you, I do not see townKJ as being someone who would make a move like that D1. By contrast, I think character-dependent recruitment mechanics could justify this move. So I don't think town would do it, especially if you're the town doing it, and it's easy for me to see why scum would do it.
2. Your pattern of votes (the late Kiwi vote really stood out to me) imply that you care relatively little about evaluating information and not lynching town. Suspicion of Kiwi is so crazy at this point that I can only explain it to myself as misguided distancing instincts or following manageable mislynches (which Kiwi remained, in spite of being obvtown), both of which are scum-linked.
3. Selendis is a relatively likely a priori fakeclaim.-
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However, the next thing I want is the remaining claims. These can modulate the likelihood of certain set-up possibilities, so I'd rather have them on the table now that we already have so near to all of them.-
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No, I'm looking at an action, and determining whether scum or town would do it. Then I'm concluding that scum would do it rather than town (or whatever).
1. I have not played a game with townKJ, but I still got a sense of your play from there. Namely, you are a good player. That's very broad -- I'm not making any claims to elaborate knowledge of your meta -- but it's all that's needed to rule out townKJ demanding D1 massclaims IMO.
2. Not just distancing -- distancing OR mislynch-seeking. I think the latter (not the former) is more likely, because I think Kiwi is town. I only listed both possibilities there for the sake of completeness. The point is that suspecting Kiwi should be nigh-unthinkable for a town player who's paying attention; hence, it's a scummy action (whether via distancing or mislynch-seeking).
Upon reflection, your voting Kiwi over GBE after pressuring GBE right as he was leaving actually fits my worldview beautifully, because I think you're both scum, and the timing of your initial pressure and then move elsewhere is glorious in such a case. I was a little wary of my thoughts when I saw your GBE pressure at first, but ye know.
3. You can throw it wherever you want. That does not mean it is invalid. There are 2 independent reasons I suspected Selendis would be an a priori fakeclaim. I will elaborate when the remaining claims come out. Of course, DN stipulates that the set-up will be wonky (Duran as town is already wonky), so I'm open-minded on this point.-
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Have you publicized specific reads beyond Vifam and GBE initially being suspicious and Kiwi becoming suspicious later on?-
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Sooner is better if you want ++<3 points.
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Off-topic: Additional modtalk clarified that I would always have my town wincon even if my wincon were modulated for whatever reason. (My posts about KJ inspired me to ask about whether the game was advertised bastard, etc.)-
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Arcturus Mengsk is a villain; his son, Valerian Mengsk, is not, really. He has a can-I-measure-up-to-my-father complex, and he's blind to his father's more questionable character aspects.
I'm the only one who's claimed a villain so far. Well, Duke is kinda villain-y. Until SC2, most of the villains were pretty morally gray, tbh.
Brosius wrote:Agree that KJ was not misrepping, it was a bad step by Newman. However as someone who also has no clue about flavor, I don't think it's as scummy as it was made out to be.
Could someone re-summarize what this dispute was? I remember it happening, but no details.-
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scooby wrote:I am rereading this game tonight. Expect a post on some hours.
Nameclaim, please.-
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I think there's still one more claim coming?
Overlord stands out because everyone else has a character except for Vifam, who has a unit type, and no one has a Zerg character. So far.
I'm V/LA this weekend; visiting relatives. I should be able to post tonight.-
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Backstory: A race called the Xel'Naga creates progeny races periodically, becomes extinct, and then continues through those progeny races. This continues for a long time. For some reason, one Xel'Naga known only as the "Dark Voice" messes with the process. We don't know what he did, but the result was two progeny races, the Protoss ("proud warrior race in space") and the Zerg ("the Borg, but they're gross/cute insect poop monsters"). He controlled the Zerg at some point and made them search for the Protoss.
On Earth, because of overpopulation, criminals begin to be sent into space rather than be detained on Earth. A group of these ships ultimately form the "Terran Confederacy" (they get American Southern motifs, too) at a location far from Earth and start life anew.
Then the main story starts. The original game is divided into 6 chapters, and SC2 is about as long as one of those chapters so far:
Chapter 1: Frustrated by their problems finding the Protoss homeworld, the Zerg decide to infest another race with psionic (mind-reading, telekinesis, etc) abilities so that they can find them better. They decide on the Terrans (prison colony humans), who have begun to show evidence of psionic evolution. The Terran Confederacy captures some Zerg creatures and experiments with using them as weapons of war. Unfortunately, they are unable to contain their experiments, and many outlying Confederacy planets are destroyed. The player character, Raynor, and Arcturus Mengsk ultimately band together to fight the Confederacy because of their shady nature, alongside Kerrigan, a Ghost (psionic human) whom Mengsk saved from a secret Confederacy training facility. Ultimately, Mengsk uses phlebotinum to use the Zerg against the Confederacy, and he abandons Kerrigan to the Zerg. Raynor gets mad and leaves. Mengsk founds the Terran Dominion and makes himself Emperor. General Duke had been a Confederate general who joins Mengsk's cabinet.
Chapter 2: Instead of killing Kerrigan, the Zerg Overmind (remember, ZergBorg) turns Kerrigan into a Human-Zerg hybrid, and she's really strong and stuff. Two Protoss -- Tassadar and Zeratul -- find a way to permanently kill Cerebrates, which are like the Overmind's sub-minds. (The player character here is one such Cerebrate.) Kerrigan kills lots of Dark Templars, and the Overmind finds the Protoss homeworld and infests it. Yay.
Chapter 3: Lots of Protoss -- Tassadar, Zeratul, Fenix, Artanis, Aldaris -- briefly overcome some fantastic racism against the "dark templar" (Zeratul) and kill the Overmind. Raynor shows up and helps, too.
Chapter 4: Even though the Overmind was destroyed, the Zerg are still everywhere. Our heroes escape to the Dark Templar homeworld. There, Kerrigan approaches them. She explains that they freed her from the Overmind, and she asks their help to get control of the Swarm (i.e. the various Zerg in the galaxy) from the other Cerebrates. In time, existing Cerebrates could grow into a new Overmind. The Protoss heroes, including new player character Selendis, agree. This is eventually framed as Kerrigan "using" our heroes to take out her competition, though I mean YMMV on his villainous this really is. (I <3 Kerrigan.)
Chapter 5: The folks from Earth get nervous about what's going on at their prison colony, so they send an Earth force led by people with Russian accents to check things out. They meet a man named Samir Duran, who helps them fight the Terran Dominion while subtley sabotaging their ability to fight the Zerg. He is ultimately revealed to be an Infested Terran in league with Kerrigan. Due to some Earth hero heroics, the Earthlings end up with control of a new Overmind such that the Zerg don't win outright, and Kerrigan freaks out.
Chapter 6: Kerrigan gets the Protoss and Raynor and Dominion to help out against the Earthlings. They don't really have a choice, so they help her. Just when they get some momentum, she strikes out and kills Fenix (for the second time) and General Duke because she knows her new allies don't trust her and she can't let the conflict end with their power too great. Raynor and Mengsk are mad. She is also revealed to have manipulated the Dark Templar queen Raszagal, so Zeratul is pissed, too. It doesn't matter, though, and she destroys allied armies of Raynor, Mengsk, Artanis, and the Earth folk in the climactic battle. Then she just kinda rests on her laurels. Duran disappears near at the end.
Chapter 7 (SC2): A man named Tychus Findlay is released from prison by Arcturus Mengsk and told to watch Raynor. He gets Raynor to collect mysterious phlebotinum, which are ultimately revealed to be of Xel'Naga origin. Valerian Mengsk ultimately reveals that he's pulling the strings, and says his goal is to de-Zerg-ify Kerrigan. (The phlebotinum destroys all Zerg DNA within a given radius.) Our heroes do that, and then Kerrigan is better. It's revealed that Tychus was also sent to kill Kerrigan rather than let her be freed, though, so Raynor kills Tychus because his anger at Kerrigan is all retconned away and they are in love and stuff. A subplot has Raynor helping Gabriel Tosh either break some crazy Ghost-types (called "Spectres") from a secret prison or destroying his ability to make more crazy Ghosts, depending upon player actions. Tosh is either loyal to Raynor or tries to kill him depending upon player actions, but the former is the canon pathway based on the upcoming expansion.
I've tried to work everyone's claimed characters into that, so it should give an idea of who everyone is.-
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Oh, I forgot.
An "overlord" is a unit the Zerg can build to get food. They are not important to the overall story; rather, they are units that comes into play in the actual playing of the game. They also act as transports and can see stealth units.
Waiting to hear the final claim, I think.-
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The thing with Vifam's claim is that it would be a cruel fakeclaim. If Vifam is scum, scum either lack fakeclaims (I doubt it), or he made it up himself for some reason (i.e. scum were given a scummy fakeclaims, and someone on the scumteam told him to come up with something else).
I think it may be Avas's slot? The replacements have me all mixed up.
I still think GBE's slot (Brosius?) and KJ are the most likely scum, though it's due to GBE more than Brosius in the former case.-
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I was thinking in part that Selendis=KJ would be the obvious Kerrigan fakeclaim.-
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Kiwieagle -- Zeratul
killerjester -- Selendis
HellloooNewman -- Artanis (and he is also claimed inno cop+ for the hell of it???)
GBE=Scott Brosius -- Valerian Mengsk
Morthas -- Gabriel Tosh
Espeonage -- ???
Iecerint kondi2424 -- Samir Duran
scooby -- Raynor
Vifam -- Overlord (and he also claimed watcher, similarly for the hell of it???)
rewq455 -- Fenix
Psyche -- Tychus Findlay
Stels -- Edmund Duke
Espy has not claimed.
I agree with Morthas about the tone of scooby's attack on Vifam.-
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Matt Horner is Raynor's bland sidekick in Starcraft II. He doesn't like Mengsk very much for reasons the player doesn't really know. He's kind of a crap character tbh. The main reason to like him are the homoerotic undertones between him and Raynor, but they mess that up when Raynor magically forgets that he wants to kill Kerrigan for ruining his bromance with Fenix.
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I'm totally bummed that Ariel Hanson didn't make the cut, if we're going to use boring SC2 characters. I hope she's scum with Kerrigan. Maybe with Nova, too. That, or DN just hates women.-
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Oh, neat.
Arcturus Mengsk is Valerian's father and the Emperor of the humans. He was portrayed with shades of grey in the original game, but became a boring Lawful Evil authority figure in the sequel.
GBE=SB is scum and/or Arcturus is scum in the game.-
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I have to admit that I hesitate on Vifam/Kerrigan partially cuz I wanna see if she can recruit me and give me simultaneous town and scum wincons. ^^
And there's KJScumenderrigan. Oh well.
I can reveal another piece of modtalk at this point. When I asked the Mod if the game had been advertised bastard, he specified that the only kinda bastard-y role was my own Duran role on the grounds that [REDACTED]. This weakly implies that giving someone only the Overlord name ala Vifam's claim is not very likely, since that would also appear to be a bastard-y move. However, this depends on what the Mod considers bastard-y.
He did NOT specify that my role was the only bastard-y aspect of the game -- only that insofar as roles were a bastard element of the game, that bastard element was limited to my own role.
Maybe he's Kerrigan and he wasn't given a fakeclaim, or his fakeclaim was the human version of Kerrigan and he was afraid to claim it.-
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What made you change your mind about Kiwi?-
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Morthas, what do you think about my modtalk allusion in 414?-
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Nope, I have not claimed traitor at any point. So I dunno what you're talking about there.
The first bold says that the only bastard role is mine. The second bold clarifies that there may be other bastard parts of the set-up, though those aspects are not roles. You seem to have gathered my point, which is that it would be bastardly to give an inconsistent rolename to Vifam, even if you frame it as a question.
I do not think it best to elaborate upon my role.
EDIT: Are you just using flavor to justify my being a traitor...? I'm quite aware of my character's role and the flavor in general, as my posts demonstrate, and I would've come up with something better if I were Duranscum. Also, there's clearly either fakeclaims, or the scum are unusual roles, so basing reads on flavor on its own is not likely to lead to good outcomes.-
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I said that purely because of the flavor allusion + it's mod-confirmed that I will always have my town wincon regardless of any wincon modulation that may or may not happen.
He has also implied that more than one character is in a position to modulate my wincon (and maybe others' wincons, too -- not sure).-
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He did not allude specifically to cults, no.
Basically, aware of my character's flavor as someone whose alignment is simultaneously basically unknown and all over the place (but decidedly scum-leaning), I decided to try asking DN whether my Town alignment was confirmed for the entire game or if it could be changed, since some Mods feel strongly about totally changing alignments and I thought I might be able to get confirmation on this, which would affect how I'd play. He clarified that I would always have my town wincon, even if my wincon were to change.
I followed-up by asking specific questions about possible changes that I don't feel comfortable elucidating, and his explanation implied more than one hypothetical wincon-modulator ("modulate" because I'd still have a Town wincon) might be in the game.
Emboldened by this, I asked further questions that led to the what-is-bastard type modtalk.-
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Regarding his play, I do not really know the case. I think people perceived that his defenses of certain players was unnatural IIRC.
From my PoV, modtalk implies that only one character having a out-of-paradigm rolename is relatively likely to be a lie, so that's why I'm leaning to Vifam...-
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The suspicion on Vifam isn't that she's an Overlord ergo scum. It's that she's not comfortable with her fakeclaim and claimed something else. The main reason I feel good about this is my modtalk, which suggests there are no further out-and-out bastard roles.
The flipside is if DN doesn't consider the lone non-character role to be bastard, and that going outside of a fakeclaim is pretty rare, I think.
Espy I could see as scum.-
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Vifam wrote:I've played SC Broodwar but everyone on ICCUP said I sucked at it so I figure I might as well drop it. :/
1. I liked Terrans
2. Goliath
3. What is this?
In terms of Vifam picking a random alternate fakeclaim, though, this information makes it harder to interpret why she'd pick that...-
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I think there was some back-and-forth with KJ before she claimed, but all that shows is that she's definitely not toss IIRC.-
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To make it clear what Vifam claimed (since you dunno Starcraft, apparently), it would be like if this were a WW2 game and the roles were like this:
Iec: Hitler
DH: Stalin
kiwi: FDR
Morthas: Hirohito
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[as such for everyone]
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Vifam: Spy plane, Watcher-
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DemonHybrid, there are DEFINITELY some fakeclaims in this set-up.
This game MUST have Kerrigan. She's the most important character in the franchise, and one of the most popular gaming villains of all time.
It's POSSIBLE that Kerrigan is some kind of 3rd party role and only the 3rd party has fakeclaims (and then the scum could be like Raynor and Matt and Tosh or whatever; there are lots of possibilities), but Kerrigan is DEFINITELY here.
EDIT: And I forgot about Brosius's claim that Arcturus is 100% confirmed to be here and unclaimed, too (unless Brosius is lying scum).
So to believe [no fakeclaims], you have to believe that a) Brosius is lying AND b) Kerrigan is not there.-
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Fakeclaims are pretty normative in theme games on this site. It would be unusual if there were not fakeclaims. That is why I'm presuming the former.
That said, come to think of it, the original Greek Mythology, another DN game I played, did not give the scum fakeclaims (AND the scum were scummy rolenames). So that's a point.
That said, apart from me and maybe Stels/DH, no one claimed a villain AND Arcturus and Kerrigan are absent AND there were no counterclaims, so I'm impressed with the random-mass-claiming if that's what happened...
You are correct that there is no conclusive evidence of which universe we're in (former v latter).
I think DH's point about "Overload" is valid, much as I hate to admit it. It does speak to something being put in a PM, whether as a real role or fakeclaim. If it were neither, she's have looked something up right then and been less likely to mess up (unless she did this intentionally, but that's crazyworld).-
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scooby wrote:Tell me, why would Raynor want to lynch an overlord?
This is a legitimate question. It does not make sense that this sort of set-up spec would occur to just-a-unit Vifam.
I acknowledge that Overlord is bizarre from multiple angles, yes.
DH, you've got Brosius's claim wrong. Brosius's PM says that Arcturus (his rolename's father of whom he is naively worshipful in flavor) is in the game. He wanted until everyone had claimed before claiming that information. The fact that no one claimed Arcturus is what makes Arcturus fakeclaim-hidden scum.-
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As players who Raynor can't vote for go, Overlord doesn't make much sense. Kerrigan makes lots of sense. If you are Kerrigan who didn't claim Kerrigan because she's a villain, that would make sense.
Another possibility is that there's a scum ability that's responsible for it.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:I'm not seeing why there can't be a unit as a real claim, though.
It's possible. The reason why I don't think it's very likely is that the Mod told me that my role was the only bastard role. I think giving one poor sap a unit role is a bastard move. Whether this violates the Mod's claim or whatever is a separate question (e.g. maybe the role itself isn't bastard because it's straightforward and transparent and the context being bastard doesn't violate only-one-role-is-bastard claims, etc).-
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I'll vote Espy with you. I'm not voting anyone at present.
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Espy wrote:Also no that is not what I am saying. I am saying that it's obviously a case of scum looking for a lynch that will stick[...]
This does not make sense. Vifam was sticking fine; unless you're saying that Vifam is scum (which you don't appear to feel too strongly about), there'd be no reason for scum to massively deflect to you at the 11th hour.-
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My role PM changed last night, but not with regard to alignment. Since the Mod hinted at alignment-modulators existing in the game, this means someone else may've been modulated.
The Mod stipulated that I would always have my town wincon regardless of modulations, so whoever was modulated may be able to safely claim as much. It would give us a better idea of how the wincon-modulation mechanic works. Of course, this depends on the modulation.
I like how the playerlist is gradually becoming Greek Mythology Part 2.
I agree that there's Scooby-Vifam weirdness. DH thinks Vifam is the towniest town evar, though. Maybe he'll weigh-in on it again in a bit. Sheeping him until an error doesn't sound like a terrible idea, either.-
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Why would you claim that now...?
And why would you clarify that given that you claimed it...?
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I don't have any role-related information about modulations. My information was based only on modtalk. I engaged in modtalk only because of my personal knowledge of my character's flavor, and I got lucky. I don't believe I've held any of the modtalk back, so I don't have any secret extra facts I'm matching up DH's claim with, if that's what he's going for.
I do think DH's roleclaim sounds like it could plausibly fit with the universe implied by the modtalk.
To be clear, I didn't get an alternate wincon last night, either. I dun wanna elaborate beyond that re: SD's question.-
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Worth noting that Vifam could have been alternascum, as Raynor -> cannot vote -> Kerrigan makes a lot of sense, and Kerrigan+Arcturus scumteam makes very little sense, unless it's a Starcraft Episode 6-type alliance-type scumteam, but then Raynor would be scum with Kerrigan, too, and he wouldn't implicate her by saying he couldn't vote the Overlord-claimer.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:I targeted you. I can't believe I forgot to mention that.
Meanie.
I want moar wincons plz @ all.-
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DH replaced Stels and is Duke, right?
DH, have you fullclaimed? If so, I would appreciate flavors.-
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Fenix is not a plausible scum role. Fenix basically has no character flaws. It goes against even the Mod's point about making "not-so-evil" characters into scum; Fenix is beyond that. The fact that Mengsk flipped as a "leader" (or at least the thread title was changed to "a leader falls" or something IIRC) leads me to believe that the scums may not be totally crazy roles, too. I also don't know of another rolename to which that ability can easily be mapped to.
The only time Mengsk and Fenix were allied was during the Brood War Episode VI scum scenario I mentioned before, but they never really interacted. ShadowDancer is correct that such a set-up would imply UED town, but it may be that the Mod just wanted an excuse to make certain characters scum. Still, ye, this is remote (which is my point).
I agree that rewq is very scummy outside of being Fenix.
Morthas I didn't think was scummy, but I am on the verge of sheeping and calling it good.
I think your Vifam argument is valid (no scum motivation for XYZ), but his claim itself makes me cross.
I don't think my rolechange had much to do with what you intimate, but I suppose it's plausible that someone hit me with change+wincon-mod and you blocked the wincon-mod part. ^^~-
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DH wrote:Iecerint, did you forget about fakeclaims? I'm not doubting the ability, however.
Iec wrote:I also don't know of another rolename to which that ability can easily be mapped.
This is my attempt to address this issue. Fenix dies once and then lives again in a Dragoon (little mechanical things that they hook-up dead Protoss to so that they can keep warrior-ing). While technically all Protoss do this, Fenix is the only character for whom this is a plot point.-
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It's worth noting that Duran being town is also crazy-world, so that kind of flavor analysis may also be bunk BUT ye.
I don't think it's only scum who can be recruited, because the Mod stipulated that my wincon can be modulated.-
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"Overlord" was not a scum fakeclaim. 0% chance. For it to be a fakeclaim, at least one town role would have to match it. Overlord would have to be made-up for whatever reason.
For example, if his role was Kerrigan, and his safeclaim was pre-Zerg Kerrigan, and he didn't feel comfortable with that, that might have justified making something up. If he only plays the game competitively and doesn't follow the story much, he might legitimately have chosen something like "Overlord -- Watcher."
Scooby, did anything change about your voting restrictions today? What happens if you vote for Vifam?-
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DemonHybrid wrote:Vifams claim of watcher may have been why I didn't die.
This is a good point.-
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(However, if Vifam is legitimately a town Overlord, that doesn't solve the mystery. It just converts it into a mystery about Scooby's role.)-
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