Starcraft Mafia Mini 1210 (Over)

[scooby]

I am rereading this game tonight. Expect a post on some hours.

[scooby]

Ok, I reread.

At first I was, well, nameclaiming is stupid as hell, but then things went better than expected (more later).

I'm Raynor, terran. I will also add that I can't vote Vifam. Mod didn't explain why.

Ironically enough, she is my top suspect for scum. I don't even need a case.

You guys notice a patter on claims? Well, guess who doesn't fit.

Overlord? Seriously?

Please lynch.

[scooby]

I'll also say that rewq is clearly town as well as newman.

First rewq is town because scum wouldn't have claimed the ability of voting after death. Scum would have likely saved that ability for an intempestive hammer.

The way newman claimed and the way he defended his claim against the "protoss" lame accusation, makes me also think that he is town.

I think killerjester is also town if Vifam is scum. I don't see scum trying to break the game with something that created a fakeclaim.

I have a good feeling abouit Iecerint, but that Duran claim screams third party a little too much for my taste.

I'm meh about the others. I need to reevaluate Morthas, Psyche and Espeonage once Vifam flips.

[scooby]

Dont outguess the mod

There is no way "overlord" is a real claim taking into account what all have claimed. "Protoss are all town" is outguessing the mod. "Catching inconsistency in claims" is scumhunting.

For the people not familiar with the flavor, overlord is a type of unit on the game (similar to claiming marine, tank or carrier) while we all have claimed names of characters of the game (ex. Mengsk, Reynor, etc.)

And that inconsistency is just the cherry on the top of the cake of scumminess that Vifam has shown all the game, specially the way she tried to tie her claim with her "watcher" powers and the way she started to call town vs. town in page 3.

[scooby]

We also need prods on a lot of people.

Deathnote mod, please help us here. Morhtas and Vifam haven't posted for a while and I'm sure some others are near prod range.

[scooby]

Whoa, I didn't know I was up for a prod, weird.

............

Why isn't this girl lynched yet?

Thanks, Iecerint, that was helpful.

Who is our missing claimer?

[scooby]

The activity sucks.

Iecerint, who is scum?

[scooby]

Vifam...I don't know. Inconsistent claim is not enough for a lynch. DN could have easily made an unorthodox role just for the sake of variety.-

I disagree. And we would be really stupid if we didn't lynch a scummy player with an inconsistent claim.

Psyche, what do you think of Vifam without taking into account the claim?

[scooby]

It's obviously not a fakeclaim since 12 out of 13 claimed have claimed character names.

It's more likely she made it up and tried to attach the ability (watcher) to the unit characteristics when it was not yet clear all people had character names.

Apart from the claim, what do you think of Vifam?. When I reread, she was my top scum read. The inconsistency on the claim just sealed it for me.

[scooby]

Ok, I reread.

At first I was, well, nameclaiming is stupid as hell, but then things went better than expected (more later).

I'm Raynor, terran.

I will also add that I can't vote Vifam. Mod didn't explain why.

Ironically enough, she is my top suspect for scum. I don't even need a case.

You guys notice a patter on claims? Well, guess who doesn't fit.

Overlord? Seriously?

Please lynch.

Please read the thread.

[scooby]

If it weren't more obvious, Morthas is pretty clear scum with Vifam. Not only he calls me "oportunistic scum" for attacking Vifam. He also believes there is a possibility of Vifam lying and she being neutral scum for her "inconsistent claim" (ironically enough the reason why he is suspecting me. However he has "stronger scum reads".

Morthas can wait until tomorrow. Today we need to lynch Vifam.

Kiwieagle, why aren't you voting Vifam?

[scooby]

Demonhybrid, I'd really like to lynch Vifam today. Your case on Espeonage is goodposting but not lynching Vifam because bastardmod (despite her scuminess) is idiotic. This is not outguessing the mod. This is common sense.

What is more likely?

a) lol, bastard mod put a unit in a characters game. (here you have to ask yourself why would you do something so useless as a mod?)

b) lol, scumbag fakeclaimed a unit name before all people claimed and all realized this was a characters game?

I think anyone with a brain can decide which is more likely without hesitation.

And that's not the only thing we have in the table to support Vifam lynch. We have Iecerint info, kiwi's theory, the fact that nobody has claimed a very important character of the game, the fact that Vifam is posting in other games and not in this one despite being prodded, etc, etc.

I think you are town, but here is a tip, don't ask us"fucks" to unvote Vifam quoting the "don't outguess the mod" clause when you outguessed the mod in your previous post.

[scooby]

Vifam, when you claimed there were still seven people to claim, so random claiming for sc wki would be a suicide claim in case other player had your fakeclaim as a real claim.

Also, is your role name "Overload"? I know of the closely spelled Overlord unit, and in concept stages the Phoenix had an ability called Overload. But I want your character's name. And to hear from the other six people that havn't name claimed yet.

Overlord, Zerg race.

This is a very important post. The way you claimed makes me believe that you thought Overlord was a character name and not a unit. (You directly answered a question about your character's name). Specially when you claimed "I'm Overload" and not "Im a Overlord".

[scooby]

Also you wanted a case? Here is a case:

You have 34 posts, of which:

- are fluff or promises to post (iso 1, 2, 7, 8, 15, 16, 17, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31
- 1 is a very weird "town vs. town" comment that you later justify as gut, iso 4, iso 9.
- 1 is a defense of Morthas and a wrong attack against avas for "he wasn't talking to you specfically" when Morthas clearly did, iso 5.
- 1 is another weird "this seems like a scum bussing tactic", iso 12
- 1 is a contradiction with your previous stance on rewq: you said you didnt agree with rewq scum in iso10 but then you voted him in iso 13 and to L-1!.
- 1 is an overreaction to the race vs race theory that made you fullclaim when no one asked you to (trying to look town with a power role that fits your fakeclaim). iso 19
- 1 is a blatant lie, since you were the only one asking rewq to fullclaim, iso 23.
- 1 is another contradiction with your previous stance on Espe: you said you didn't see him a scum in 27. Once you got the support for DemonHybrid, you somehow forgot what you said about him.

Question, why were you posting ion other games and not here over the past days?

[scooby]

Whoa hey.


Scooby are you a lyncher?

No, I'm not a lyncher.

I just love when scum start to flail.

Tell me, why would Raynor want to lynch an overlord?

[scooby]

Last: Does anyone want my name claim? I'm for it, but only if it's the consensus.

You already claimed.

Pay attention.

[scooby]

I'd also like a

Deadline Extension

To anyone who still thinks my claim is fake, tell me why I decided to pick a UNIT instead of just clicking some random character in the the SC wiki?

ding ding ding ding ding

Vifam, when you claimed there were still seven people to claim, so random claiming for sc wki would be a suicide claim in case other player had your fakeclaim as a real claim.

Also, mod, please delete my quadruple posting: something went very wrong while submitting.

[scooby]

Still think Vifam is the lynch of the day but I'm not fighting this one.

Claim or die, please.

[scooby]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Esp


Screw the claim.

If I'm dead tomorrow which is extremely likely given that Vifam just proved that she is scum, please lynch her. FOCUS.

Doc protection, otoh, would be appreciated.

Espe's last post makes me think this is a scum flip, so good job there DH.

[scooby]

I'm here rereading what I missed.

[scooby]

Scooby's a lyncher, I can feel it.

lolno.

You are an "overlord". I repeat, why would Raynor want to lynch an overlord? Unless you are lying about it?

I want a Vifam lynch today.

[scooby]

I don't see Rewq scum.

I see Morthas scum and if I'm alive, I'll be the first vote tomorrow. Vifam can't live another day just because of lolbastardmod when she has spent all game doing nothing, lurking and coming back only when DemonHybrid called her town from nowhere.

Lyncher defense is hilarious, btw.

[scooby]

Caught scum trying to discredit the attacker?

Are you seriously that naive?

[scooby]

Caught scum trying to discredit the attacker?

Are you seriously that naive?

I bet you didn't even look at my rewq or Morthas cases at all, but that's okay, because you're scooby.

hint: there is no fucking scum motivation behind calling someone a lyncher and bringing nothing but negative attention your way. Vifam isn't good. He's new.

lol, he is new, he must be town?

How about MISCREDITING the attacker as a scum motivation?

[scooby]

Because she claimed overlord in a game where everyone has character names.

Because of her 34 posts, 12 posts are fluff. (go check it if you don't believe me).

Because her stances contradict each other on critical points of the game:

- 1 is a contradiction with your previous stance on rewq: you said you didnt agree with rewq scum in iso10 but then you voted him in iso 13 and to L-1!.
- 1 is an overreaction to the race vs race theory that made you fullclaim when no one asked you to (trying to look town with a power role that fits your fakeclaim). iso 19
- 1 is a blatant lie

("everybody is asking you to claim")

, since you were the only one asking rewq to fullclaim, iso 23.
- 1 is another contradiction with your previous stance on Espe: you said you didn't see him a scum in 27. Once you got the support for DemonHybrid, you somehow forgot what you said about him.

She went lurking mode, (she had posts on other games on the site) and started posting once you came up in the game and declared her noob town.

[scooby]

I don't understand why are we clearing Vifam based on stupid speculation? What happened with confirmation of role isn't confirmation of alignment? Where did we get 2 scum that can recruit? I don't get it.

I don't get this modulation stuff. Iec, please explain.

[scooby]

What question did you ask?

[scooby]

Iec, I don't understand why does the mod tell you things that aren't you in your PM. Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on the fact that this was advertised as a bastard game, should'nt you be trusting anything he says to you?

[scooby]

Urg, we need prods on everyone.

[scooby]

Despite of Vifam being obvscum (GOD, just look at her last 5 posts),

I'm a rebel.

Look up Scooby.
Look up.

Also, can you stop calling me a "she"
Gender:Male
Not hard, buddy.

Scooby's a lyncher, I can feel it.

I watched DH, nothing happened.

I can't vote her so I'll do something useful with my vote and wagon Morthas, who is also scummy as feck.

Vote: Morthas.

Do we have proof of a recruiting mechanic here?

[scooby]

I get modkilled.

[scooby]

I want to get this clear beacuse a lot of people is asking about it.

I didn't get additional flavor restricting my vote against Vifam. I only got that the moment I vote her, I get modkilled. When I asked mod, he said that I should read only what was on my PM.

I don't know what this implies. But coupled with overlord claim and overall Vifam play all I can think is that she is scum.

[scooby]

lol scooby+vifam.

The only thing preventing me from liking the wagon is the fact that Vifam might be a cult recruiter.

[scooby]

Unvote

Ok, this means we need to lynch Vifam today.

[scooby]

Iecerint, since you say you keep your town win condition, please help us lynch Vifam.

[scooby]

Mod, we need prods.

[scooby]

On these players.

Kiwieagle
HellloooNewman
Scott Brosius
Vifam
rewq455

[scooby]

I agree Morthas is scummy as fck and if I weren't that sure about Vifam I'd vote him in one second.

But

If we are talking about someone that very likely recruits people then I think people with town PMs should vote a cult recruiter rather than someone who could be scum.

[scooby]

OK, THIS IS SIMPLE MATH.

IECERINT IS MAKING A LOT OF SENSE ABOUT VIFAM AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT SHE IS A CULT RECRUITER. ZERG CLAIM MEANS LIKELY INFESTATION = CULT MECHANIC, WE ALSO HAVE CONFIRMATION OF DH THAT THERE IS A CULT MECHANIC.

IF WE DON'T LYNCH CULT TODAY, WE ARE GOING TO LET THE CULT GROW.

WE CAN LET MORTHAS MAFIA LIVE FOR ANOTHER DAY.

BUT TODAY WE NEED TO LYNCH CULT.

[scooby]

Raynor here.

[scooby]

The fact that Vifam is a prime candidate for a lynch and my case on Morthas is being largely ignored along with the fact that Morthas' reply was just feverish explanations for bad behavior and snark makes me fucking angry.

I said Morhtas could wait. Pretty sure he is mafia.

I am just worried because Vifam being a cult recruiter makes a lot of sense. Also THAT FREAKING OVERLORD CLAIM.

AND SHE HASN'T DONE A SINGLE PROTOWN THING.

Seriously go iso her.

[scooby]

Actually, come to think of it. given the Vifam=Kerrigan PoV and the above spec, the obvious N1 move for Vifam would be to infest DemonHybrid. DemonHybrid already had town feelings about Vifam and was townTown.

This would also contextualize DemonHybrid(=Edmund Duke, traitor extraordinaire)'s cannot-be-recruited claim. Before, it sounded so out-there that it appeared incontrovertibly to be a trueclaim. This version of events perfectly contextualizes things AND explains why DH-doesn't-know-flavor would claim something like that about Duke.
(

Didn't you claim you couldn't be recruited?

[scooby]

That also brings up another question:

Why is he not able to vote me?

Hence the Lyncher-Who-Can-Not-Vote-His-Target thing.

I know nothing about the SC universe, but the whole unable to vote me thing doesn't make much sense.

Okay.


But you realize

The point

-----------------

Your head

WHAT.

I actually have no idea what "your head" means, but from what I infer it means its stupid.

Uhm.


No.

It...It means that you missed the point.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Esp


Screw the claim.

I'm a rebel.

Look up Scooby.


Look up.

Also, can you stop calling me a "she"

Gender:Male

Not hard, buddy.

I watched DH, nothing happened.

Sigh.


At this point I'm probably going to get lynched.


VOTE: Scooby

SERIOUSLY, I DON'T GET WHY SOMEONE CAN SEE THESE POSTS COMING FROM TOWN.

[scooby]

Sup.
I've played SC Broodwar but everyone on ICCUP said I sucked at it so I figure I might as well drop it. :/
1. I liked Terrans
2. Goliath
3. What is this?

I know nothing about the SC universe, but the whole unable to vote me thing doesn't make much sense.

also lollyingscumbag.

[scooby]

[quote="In post 730Is there a vig out there that wants to vig Vifam? Go the fuck ahead. But we are voting for and lynching Morthas today.[/quote]
Do you realize how scummy this last post is if we consider the possiblity of Vifam having some sort of recruiting/infesting mechanic?

[scooby]

JUST playing brood war does not mean that he knows much about the SC universe, especially when people said that he sucked at it and should stop playing.

Is there a vig out there that wants to vig Vifam? Go the fuck ahead. But we are voting for and lynching Morthas today.

Do you realize how scummy this last post is if we consider the possiblity of Vifam having some sort of recruiting/infesting mechanic?
If you think Vifam shouold be vigged, why can't we lynch Vifam and reverse the order and vig Morthas?

[scooby]

If I'm alive tomorrow, I compromise to the Morthas lynch.

[scooby]

ACTUALLY, I'd prefer they would lynch Scooby, because when I flip town it should be evident he's full of it.

L
O
L

[scooby]

Iecerint, with Demonhybrid unvoting Morthas, Vifam is the new top wagon, so yeah you are wrong.

Vote Count:

Kiwieagle
ooba
Scott Brosius
Morthas-

DemonHybrid, Scott Brosius, Iecerint (L-3)

Iecerint
Scooby-

Vifam (L-5)

Vifam-

ShadowDancer, Morthas (L-4)

rewq455
ShadowDancer
DemonHybrid

With ten alive, its six to lynch

~Prods going out, sorry I was absent the past couple days~

[scooby]

Well, If I COULD VOTE Vifam, then the wagon could be even larger.

[scooby]

Scott, are you saying that Vifam is your fourth suspect or that she isn't a suspect at all?

Iec, you still haven't provided a valid reason as to why you aren't voting Vifam despite thinking she is scum.

Ooba, post or perish. Rewq, the same.

[scooby]

Someone hammer this scum.

PS: I think I'm voting Morthas, Mod.

Anyways

Vote: Morthas.

[scooby]

So, let me get this clear. You guys think Vifam is town because she claimed watcher. Even though, SHE HASN'T DONE a remarkable protown thing in thread and she just flaked.

Of, first of all, confirmation of role IS NOT confimation of alignment. Ooba, ShadowDacner is town and I'm town so your theory that the scumbags are scared of the watcher is dumb.

Second, the overlord claim is SCUMMY AS FUCK and Vifam is very likely lying about being an overlord since IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE in a game full of characters.

Third, one thing I'm sure: she is our only zerg claimed player. Doesn't this ring some alarm bells? Infestation sounds a lot like win condition change (have you played the FUCKING game?) and every night we let Vifam alive it can be more dangerous.

I compromise to a Morthas lynch tomorrow, if I'm alive of course. I want YOU ALL to understand why lynching Vifam is necessary now.

[scooby]

The avatar confuses me but I like how you dismiss all my points with a mistake.

[scooby]

You think he is a TOWN WATCHER.

It doesn't make sense AT ALL.

Why is he TOWN?

[scooby]

VIFAM CLAIMED A ZERG OVERLORD?
LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH LOL
THATS SO SCUMMY

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY SINCE FREAKING DAY 1.

[scooby]

I'm still here talking to you.

I think that's evidence enough. Iece's claim that he had a switched role makes me believe that I was not targeted by EITHER a wincon changing or killing role, and because of that, I believe that they were AFRAID of a watcher.

I really don't get it. What does Iec's claim have to do with anything?

[scooby]

Iec, every time I see you not voting Vifam, the more I suspect you, specially knowing Duran was a zerg ally.

[scooby]

How the FUCK is <3 Kerrigan a valid reason to keep a scumbag alive. Seriously, Iec?

Also, why should we believe you Duran keeps the town wincon?

[scooby]

Unvote: Morthas

Vote: Iecerint

[scooby]

What is the flavor for that ability?

[scooby]

Not only he claimed Zerg.

He claimed FUCKING SCUMMY OVERLORD.

In a game where 11 of 12 people are CLAIMED FUCKING CHARACTERS.

FUCK.

[scooby]

IIRC, according to flavor of the Starcraft 2 game, Nova's and Tosh's alignments depended on the decision you made at some point of the game. That is, if you picked to help Nova, she was fine and dandy with the help but if you picked Tosh, she would end siding against you. And viceversa.

[scooby]

Lol. I'm not moving my vote from Morthas.

The fact that you're pushing a Vifam lynch solely on flavor when the game was advertised as bastard-flavor is fail. It's a red herring role and he will flip town. Do what you want.

Tell me, Mr. ooba.

WHAT IS THE FUCKING PROTOWN THING VIFAM HAS DONE THE WHOLE GAME?

Seriously, go ISO HIM.

This is not a fucking LYNCH for flavor. This is a lynch for DIESCUMDIESDUMSUCKDIESCUMDIE.

Frank and scooby, since you obviously don't get it,

Espeonage claimed a different character and flipped a different Mafia character.

Vifam CLAIMED OVERLORD. WHY WOULD SCUM CLAIM OVERLORD WHEN SCUM HAS A FAKE CLAIM

SERIOUSLY WHY DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH VIFAM

THAT IS STUPID.

It's pretty CLEAR Vifam is not scum with Espeonage, specially since Vifam hammered without a claim. We don't know for sure he has a fakeclaim but what we know is that she is SCUMMY as fuck.

Seriously, this is fucking ROAD TO ROME or what?

[scooby]

Flavor inconsistencies is just the cherry on the top of the cake of scuminess Vifam has done since DAY FREAKING 1.

[scooby]

Please replace me as well.

Tired of DemonHybrid as well.

[scooby]

Just kidding, I'm staying mod.

[scooby]

WHO IN HIS RIGHT MIND COULD VENGEFUL KILL SHADOWDANCER?

OH RIGHT IT'S DEMONHYBRID HERPDERP THAT ALSO SAID VIFAM WAS OBVIOUS TOWN WATCHER.

[scooby]

I'm not sure I trust Iecerint but I think Morthas is the play for today.

I need to reread who defended Vifam because modifed cult leader is modified cult leader and with DemonHybrid flipping town this means someone else got recruited.

Balance reasons: How many scum left. 1 mafia + 1 recruit ? Is this remarkably balanced?

[scooby]

Question to the people with more flavor knowledge, is Tosh part of Raynor Raiders?

[scooby]

Question to the people with more flavor knowledge, is Tosh part of Raynor Raiders?

[scooby]

I think we should massclaim.

Iecerint go.

[scooby]

This just becomes a logical puzzle if we can get some confirmed people on this. I have some solid reads on some of you so I guess this is gg.

[scooby]

Listen,

there were two people trying to save Vifam yesterday. One of them was you and the other was DemonHybrid. DH didnt flip cult so you see where am I going with this.

Tell me why you werent culted yesterday.

[scooby]

I mean night 1.

[scooby]

You are Duran. How the hell is Duran related to SC2?

[scooby]

Ok.

Vote: Morthas.