Starcraft Mafia Mini 1210 (Over)

[ooba]

ooba is now in the game. I expect to finish my re-read within 24 hours!

[ooba]

I've been prodded. Been busy with a couple of other things. Lynch me if I don't post in 24 hours!

[ooba]

I know I've already had one promise to post and haven't - but I will read this after I finish work in 12 hours. I've been skimming along for the last couple of pages. Please don't lynch anybody (Vifam) until I've posted ...

[ooba]

*made one promise

[ooba]

As promised, I am now starting the 30 page reread ..

[ooba]

Do you play Starcraft/Starcraft II?

No

If no:
Do you like puppies? (got to have something in here for any non-Starcraft players - lol)

Yes

For all:
How much experience do you have playing Mafia?
Anything else you want to say?

Good amount
I will finish this within four hours or I will self-vote.

[ooba]

Page 5

gbevilchaos

Scott Brosius is scum

Vote: Scott

[ooba]

Upto page 12 ..

Reads for now : (I've replaced names for easy reading)

Furclow is town

!= cannot be scumbuddies together
~ indication of scumbuddies

Furclow being town makes these irrelevant but posting them: (SD != Furclow, Furclow != Morthas, Furclow != kiwi)

DH != Morthas
Scott != scooby
scooby != Morthas
Scott != Morthas

Vifam ~ Scott
Vifam ~ SD

I'm leaving in a few .. Will post later ..

[ooba]

ooba, if vifam is scumbuddies with SD or Scott like you said, although I have townreads on both and completely disagree with you, why not hammer on Vifam?

Because I've read like 12 pages and haven't even come to the D1 lynch of scum? Or D2 play where people choose between Morthas or Vifam ..

[ooba]

well, if it's going to be vifam or morthas, there's no point discussing one vs the other. Just hammer vifam and lynch the obvious town watcher. I'm excited to feel the angst radiating off of you fools.

Gimme time to finish reading the rest. At the very least, it gives you a read on my slot via my reads\interactions. Plus I hate lynching before I've seen the entire thread. A bit of time isn't going to hurt anyone..

thats why i want you to hammer
i want time to be able to read 30 pages

Actually game's moving at a snails pace .. It's not like you read thirty pages only to find its at 40 ..

[ooba]

Started on the remaining - should be done in an hours time ..

[ooba]

D1 done ..

[ooba]

Done...

For what it's worth here are a list of connections I read as can't exist:

Spoiler: Connections

SD != Furclow
Furclow != kiwi
scooby != Morthas
Scott != Morthas
kiwi != Morthas
Furclow != Morthas
DH != Morthas
rewq != SD
Scott != SD
scooby != Vifam
DH != scooby
Scott != scooby

Thoughts:
- Kiwi is town
- Iece is town
- DH is town

- Vifam
Negative: Claiming Watcher when it wasn't necessary
Positives:
- Game was specifically advertised as bastard flavor. I don't think the "Why can't X vote for Y?" flavor wise is relevant here.
- The killjester kill looks very much like a kill which feared a Watcher, plus based on general interactions I would say not Mafia.
- Regarding all the "Cult recruiter" speculation
-- Game was never advertised as bastard - only flavor part of it has the moniker attached to it - any game with cult would have been termed as bastard as a whole
-- Also assumes that DN made a role which couldn't vote for the CR and flavor-implicates Kerrigan CR.. If you're going to add a CR, why add a role which says "This person is prob-CR"
This is a case of DN making up flavor and adding a red-herring town role into the setup.

- Scott
While I love him for his D1 vote on espeonage, I wish he had done more with it since it would have helped cement a town read on him. Just leaves it there. Definitely not scum with Morthas though so clear'd if Morthas flips scum.

- Furclow
Had a very strong town read on this slot on my re-read - and I'm not even sure why. I'm not that sure after reading the ISO alone but will put this in the prob. town category.

- scooby
Leaned town on re-read but looking back his "I cannot vote Vifam" claim came after Vifam's watcher claim so could have been a gambit to implicate the watcher.

- Morthas
DH's case is pretty good plus I also expect one of espeonage's buddies to have been on the wagon.

- SD
Huge tonal difference from the two games I've played with him (Greek+GM). Hasn't posted much in terms of reads and has just gone setup spec for most part. Also in terms of connections, Morthas is the "single most scummy person in game" but still votes Vifam.

Also I expect that the Mafia really want the watcher dead today by lynch so will be pushing that wagon hard. All three above fit that bill.

I've eliminated scooby~Morthas so that means SD is scum with either Morthas or scooby - (Going with SD~Morthas, since if it's SD~scooby, the "I know Raynor is in the game" is a ballsy Gambit). Ideally I'd love a SD lynch but don't see that happening today. Happy to compromise with Morthas though ..

Unvote. Vote: Morthas

[ooba]

Unofficial Vote Count:

Kiwieagle
ooba

Scott Brosius-

Morthas-

Scott Brosius, Iecerint scooby ooba (L-2)

Iecerint
Scooby-

Vifam (L-5)

Vifam-

ShadowDancer, Morthas, DemonHybrid, Kiwieagle, Furcolow (L-1)

Furcolow
ShadowDancer
DemonHybrid

With ten alive, its six to lynch

@DH, you should have no problem moving to Morthas.
@Furclow, hammer Morthas and you can have your peace to read the thread.

[ooba]

Lol. I'm not moving my vote from Morthas.

The fact that you're pushing a Vifam lynch solely on flavor when the game was advertised as bastard-flavor is fail. It's a red herring role and he will flip town. Do what you want.

[ooba]

Vote Count:

Morthas-

Scott Brosius, Iecerint ooba (L-3)

Iecerint

scooby (L-5)

Scooby-

Vifam (L-5)

Vifam-

ShadowDancer, Morthas, Kiwieagle, Furcolow (L-2)

Not voting

- DemonHybrid

With ten alive, its six to lynch

Deadline September 18

The is going to end in a deadlock. SD, Kiwi, Furclow, scooby are being stubborn even though
- Play clearly suggests Vifam isn't scum with Espeonage (Interactions) and all of you seem to agree on that
- If Vifam is cult, you're saying
-- DN gave cult the worst fakeclaim possible just so that it would stick out amongst other claims. Also the can't vote mechanic which clearly implicates Kerrigan cult.
-- DN added a Cult+Mafia in a mini but restricted the game size to 12 players??

Please compromise and lynch Morthas. We're heading towards a no-lynch.

[ooba]

Also: Hello! Hello? Tarsonis to Ooba! This is Shadow speaking. You still did not explain your scott vote, neither did you adress your night action as I asked you to do.

Gbevil was scummy as helll around page 15. I'm not clarifying the rest of my ability or claiming my N1 night action right now.

I just voted Vifam in this post since that's the only lynch which is happening today and just before I clicked submit, asked myself why didn't Iece hammer yet?? To put my paranoia fears to rest,

I'd like Iece to hammer Vifam please.

[ooba]

Lol@Vifam's role of Modified cult recruiter who a townie can't vote for flavor wise .. Would really like to see the entire setup soon ..

Morthas is the play for today .. All of analysis for yesterday + Furclow's insistance on a Vifam lynch purely on flavor - didn't have conviction - hence was defending Morthas ..

Unfortunately, I don't have anything useful to add to the current situation in terms of night actions .. Will target kiwi tonight and hopefully be alive to share em tomorrow .. However I anticipate the game to end with Morthas's lynch

Also, the person who killed Furclow should claim to confirm towniness ..

Wasn't me ..

[ooba]

My ability on non-protos is a track.
N1 - I just replaced in. Kept postponing the re-read - I was thinking DN would PM me with a reminder that day would open in 24 hours or something - never happened - my bad on assuming he would, so didn't send in any action.
N2 - Tracked Shadow to Furclow.

Check Shadow's ISO for when he confirmed Scooby.

Really think Morthas is the play for today.

[ooba]

Why did you target Shadow?

Was trying to analyze reactions to the Vifam lynch - I really thought it was a flimsy lynch. So attribute at least part of the push to Mafia with inside info on cult.
- Eliminated kiwi, DH from possibilities beacuse I had them as town
- Morthas was scum but he definitely wouldn't be making the Mafia kill unless it was just a 2 Mafia-1 cult setup. I didn't see Morthas surviving till the end in that case and decided it wasn't a good track.
- scooby was unlikly scum with SD since SD had confirmed scooby. If anything it was a good fakeclaim for SD scum.
- Furclow was also suspicious because all he was ready for some one hammering "just so he could read" but was clearly against a Morthas lynch
So a toss up between SD\Furclow - Furclow had claimed protoss and I really didn't want to rolecop him since verifying rolename did nothing - so went with SD.

[ooba]

@Morthas: I found gbevil scummy but scott not much so. The early vote on Espeonage seems indicative of non-Mafia alignment. Sure - it could have been an elaborate "Vote Esp and then claiming your Arcturus was in the game" gambit but I am leaning on it not being being the case.

Trying to figure out the lack of "silenced kill" on N1.
- Blown to smithereens is a SK or SD Vig kill since it targeted Furclow. I'm not sure why Psyche would have targeted killjester for a vig shot on N1 though. On the other hand, that would mean we're looking at 3 scum-1 SK- 1 modified cult?
- Either way - "silenced" is a Mafia kill
- Rewq was active during the night so Mafia not sending in the kill is not an option
- Not seeing kiwi getting shot that day
- Scott RB'ing kiwi-scum is a possibility. Only thing wrong with that theory is that I have kiwi as a strong "not-Mafia" read
- Some sort of weird mechanic\setup with respect to the Mafia kills. (Even day, one-shot)
- Cult Kerrigan could have (should have given the voting restriction?) been bulletproof and that's where the Mafia shot went.

Also, was going through early D2 play when I noticed this - LyLo calculations should be earlier than usual just to be safe due to Furclow's post death voting claim.

Anyway, here's a good plan.
- Lynch Morthas
- Scott roleblocks someone who isn't me and publically announces target beforehand in thread
- I track someone who isn't Scott's target (Btw who amongst the 5 are protoss?)
That should give us two shots into figuring out who makes the Mafia kill.

[ooba]

Actually not a hammer .. I would like scott to publically declare his roleblocker Target for tonight ..

Think we're looking at one SK,one mod cult and two Mafiaites.
- Mafia are out of the game. N1 NK on Iece.
- SK cannot be kiwi by scott's claim.
Still happy with lynching Morthas cause best bet for Mafia if i am wrong and "i guess" also points to possible SK.

But scott needs to choose a roleblock target tonigjt.

[ooba]

It's probably better if you don't clarify who you'll block to remove the benefits no-kill WIFOM.

I'm always of a fan of putting scum in a position where they'd have to no kill. At worst, scum no killing gives me a good track result.

Scott block Iece please.

Vote: Morthas

[ooba]

Seriously ooba - an SK? In a mini where there is already a cult as 3rd party?

- Killjester was a terribly bad vig shot given D1 play
- DN has a history of making scum heavy setups (Could see someone going "Seriously - 4 Mafia in a 12 player mini game? in Greek Mythology)
- And making plans in case of extreme cases isn't a bad thing. If it's three scum, Morthas was the only Mafia possibility. Lynching him would end the game. If not, making a night plan is common sense.

Why the fuck aren't these people dead yet?:

Morthas
rewq
ESPEONAGE

Yet you vengeance killed SD?

[ooba]

No. Rewq's slot venge-kills whoever causes his death. Scum Supersaint Bomb.

Hmm what other powers did scum have?