Mini 1243: Magician Mafia (Game Over)

[SnakePlissken]

Hello all, Im taking over from LL, I think Ive only payed with Vi before. Now, im going to do a read back so, I may be a while so don't expect much from me to begin with please.

[SnakePlissken]

Right, I've started by ISOing Guy_Named_Riggs as he seems the main target of peoples affections currently. My first reaction was there is an awful lot of fluff posting and talking for talkings sake. Especially when declaring that

I usually sit in the back and observe the game as an outsider.

in #851

it's then followed up with this a post or two later in #853

After reading through his ISO,

I have a null read on him

. He seems scummy, but has attempted to scumhunt (better than me anyways) but he seems to have only ISOd Saul.

This strikes me as scum tunneling town, or possible bus.

I'll figure that out after I read Saul's ISO.

throwing seeds of not really knowing what to do, looks like your trying to look like your scum hunting but thenyour saying null at the same time thus if you get a lynch you can step back and say I told you so..

Now I haven't looked at anyone else yet, will be doing that for the next lot of hours but for now I want to put in avote here:

Unvote]

VOTE: Guy_Named_Riggs This now puts you at L-1 so a roleclaim would be good.

[SnakePlissken]

Sorry like I said Ive just got on here and Im reading backwards your previous comments needed to be commented on. Again having not got that far back yet is there a Teller in our midst and if there is then are you neighbours or something?

[SnakePlissken]

I'm down with e claim, I'm The Amazing Randy and I have a role cop ability whereby I can submit a players name and it comes back with one of that players ability. I'm now however going to be on

V/LA for most of the weekend Triple D

back Monday. I may be around for very brief interludes but I'm not going to be able to post loads currently.

Just so you know my copping is a day ability Locke did Anxiety and got the line on the vote. Because I replaced in late indidn't submit one yesterday & today I investigated Amrun and got back He's amazing, which is one of my abilities as well.

[SnakePlissken]

Just briefly looks like my auto correct and my brain fart really cant write anything resembeling proper english today.

Day 1 Locke used the ability on 4nxi3ty and got the "Voter: Each day you may submit your vote..." line from the PM

Day 2 I missed out because I didn't read the part about Day investigation and I left it too late.

Day 3 Amrun - You Are amazing. In my role Pm because I am the Amazing Randi my passive ability reads You are Amazing. I got this result from Amrun, so I am assuming his character is The Amazing someone or rather..?

[SnakePlissken]

Ok I'm back. First off to clear up on my roleclaim, it doesn't state in my role what type of cop I am just that I can get the random result of one of a persons roles, which is why I claimed role cop over flavour cop, it's a bit of both I suppose.

Second, the Your Amazing role which a few of us seem to have is denoted with a (p) for passive. So that all it is. I think it's just Triple Ds humour sneaking through there??

Finally people want Fishy hammered, I'm fine with that. His responses have been less than helpful on the most part and I don't see anyone else currently worthy of lynching. Although I am starting to worry that Vi is white knighting somewhat, but still here goes then.

VOTE: FishyTheFish

Oh can we drop all this GNR name speculation, surely it's clear that he had a fake claim which I'm assuming all the scum team will have? I don't think Ive ever been in a game where the scum team weren't given fake claims?

[SnakePlissken]

Vi you missed this bit in your quote "I am starting to worry that"

And as far as the second quote goes. First one I'd barely joined the game and this morning I'd just got back from a V/LA and was checking through. I don't see what the problem is?

[SnakePlissken]

1. I didn't say I was unsure of my reads I said there didn't look like any other lynch worthy candidates today.

2. I would suggest the mere fact that Fishy was at L1 would suggest that not

that

many thought he was town.

[SnakePlissken]

This is getting ridiculous, our theory may have been way out there but some of these are flat out terrible.

Someone hurry up and hamme

r, vigs when Fishy flips scum you're vigging Amrun.

-Shift

hardly ending the day quick it ends Wednesday. Plus it looks like there are others who want the day ended??

[SnakePlissken]

Crab Canon, Salures and/or you.

[SnakePlissken]

I have a day cop ability, not a night one Crab, so who do you want me to choose as I dont think anyone has a day block ability?

[SnakePlissken]

Well I'm confused all around now. I don't get this tiger thing at all. Do you two have to agree on a target for it to work? As in you both have to submit your choices to tripleD?

[SnakePlissken]

I actually think it's makes sense to cop a claimed VT and probably one who hasn't been investigated by either myself or formerly Locke, which I think leaves us Luxury and Crab Canon? I will do one of the others if people really want me to. Although I think getting some information on an unknown rather than getting possibly the same info back on someone already investigated. Although I suppose that would potentially confirm them as telling the truth? Im starting to get a hurting head over all of this.

[SnakePlissken]

Right I have sent Triple D the investigation. I'll let you know who when it comes back just in case there is some kind of day blocker type thing. Just to be safe. My abilities go in the order of the copping, being amazing and then my vote. I can only assume everyone has the vote last in their PM?

[SnakePlissken]

Oh and just for the record. Im not the most active poster, due to being in the UK and therfore being on different time scales to most of you, I have abusy day job and 3 kids who when I get home I have to get feed and get to bed etc. before I get any real time to myself, plus I run my movie website which also takes a fair amount of my other time too.

[SnakePlissken]

Oh no none taken, I just wanted to point it out, just so people don't think Im deliberately lurking or something. Sometimes I literally get on here for 5 minutes in and out, which is why I tend not to replace in as I don't always get time to read back or indeed the current posts properly all the time. Which is why once I've got my Mod stripes proper I'll probably only play very sparringly.

[SnakePlissken]

OK I went with Luxury as I wanted new info rather than risking learning nothing from the others and I got returned

(V) Voter: Each day you may submit your vote for who should be lynched. You may change your vote as often as you like until a majority has reached a decision.

[SnakePlissken]

L-1 on Amrun already? Are we seriously playing a game of quicklynches here? Im not voting yet, I need to take time and look at whats going on here.

[SnakePlissken]

Sorry Im being retarded. I have no idea why I read the others as voting Amrun?! This game is getting to me.

[SnakePlissken]

Mod - Im V/LA again until Monday now, busy weekend Im running my websites movie quiz! Yay, ill be knackered by the end of it though.

[SnakePlissken]

Back from V/LA catching up will posts thoughts today.

[SnakePlissken]

Sorry I'm incredibly busy in the office, however my kids are away at their grandparents tonight, so I promise that I will post some decent content tonight which will be in about 6-8 hours time. Sorry I can't do any better currently. (Plus my Ghostbusters mafia has just gone into signals in Mini Theme! Argh)

[SnakePlissken]

OK here goes. Here it is. ready... (Before I start, I should point out that I am neiither a fan of or a purveyor of Wall posts.)

Town:
4nxi3ty, Crab Canon

Null:
Junipei, Luxury


Anti Town:
Amrun, Saulres

Well eyebrows raised? Im sure but thats what I believe. Town wise, Crab has been plodding along fairly consistently. It's always extremely hard to read a hydra anyway as you never really know which head you are talking too. But I can't say that Crab has done anything that has made me want to scream scum everytime that I read posts. 4nxi3ty screams of very frustrated town. The self hammer comment was extremely stupid, but it confirmed what I was thinking. Scum would never announce a self hammer as that would be suicide on most occassions.

Null tells, Junipei is getting rounded on in the one of the two Tiger owners is scum. It's very worrying how one sided its getting, but more of that later. Again another one whose posts come across scummy and anti town leaning at times, but again Im not so sure, but not sure enough. Cetainly not enough to make me want to place a vote there. All of those who suddenly jumped into this 'Lets change our votes and lynch Junipei' gained momentum pretty quick, which was anti town in itself. Im undecided either way hence null tell for me. Luxury, far be it from me to mention lurking, although I havent been lurking, I know and Im the first to point out Ive not been the most active poster in this game. But I simply don't have enough to go on, so null again and not getting my vote today either.

My anti town reads currently and I say anti town and not scum, is because theres been enough setup talk to cause thought that is there scum and SK in this game? Im not sure but it at this point is likely to be 2 scum 1 SK or 1 scum and 1 SK left or just 2 scum left? With 7 of us left I think that a 3 man scum team left would be overpowered? & again 3 scum + SK would mean the ton is already lost so Im dismissing that also. Im not going to spend time trying to work any of that out, all Im thinking about currently is finding a anti town member to lynch. So my 2 candidates are Amrun and Saulres. Saulres is causing me concern especially as Saulres is just carrying on like we consider him town anyway and that he can be part of the Light brigade that will save us all. Im even more worried around the way he keeps trying to suggest that he doesn't trust his partner and then is party to the fast moving suggested switching of votes for a lynch quick or otherwise. Granted no one has switched yet, but it did reek of trying to garner support without sticking your neck out that far. However I could be wrong and he could be right and junipei for all I know could be scum, but Im not willing to take that risk and leave Saulres in complete control of the Tiger? Also, this Im not going to tell anyone who I want hanged business is a litle on the wrong side of fishing to see where we all are going to vote then adding in your vote with a winning wagon and will then pin your defence on my reads havent been that great? But Im not 100% sure, so my attention turns to Amrun. A lot has already been posted about Amrun much of which I agree with. While The Amazing thing I think is a red herring as a few of us have and it does seem like flavour why not mention it when asked rather than just saying that you only have a vote? Also, if I beleive that Saulres is Anti town then the previous post from Amrun leans right into being a partner with the defensive statement of her buddy? I also dont like the 4nxi3ty row either while it is going against his wincon if he did self hammer, threatning to report him at this point is also pushing to the point of trying very hard to make someone look so bad that people ignore you and vote for the other. Im concerned for sure, more so than Saulres, mainly becuase Im not entirely sure I want to risk lynching our vig if he is town as we dont know how it will affect the other half (Junpei) as of yet, so for that Im going with Amrun.

VOTE: Amrun

Oh and I did answer the flavour question Saulres. I told you what it is. If I post my role PM flavour I break rule 16 and I think you already know that. However if the Mod gives me permission to then fine.

[SnakePlissken]

I will post some decent content tonight which will be in

<expired>.

I was typing. Patience dear boy patience

[SnakePlissken]

Do you know what Salures, I honestly thought I had ut ive checked back and I haven't so here goes: I have an ability of devine secrets. Each day I get to chose a player in the game and I am told randomly of one of their abilities.

[SnakePlissken]

I don't mean to be rude Saulres but do you have reading amnesia? I have explained on more than one occasion that while I'm V/LA at weekends I still get on for what can be best described as moments. I have a game in signups in mini theme and I've been checking on the numbers. I'm not going to come in here and fuel your paranoid fire that I'm dodging the game, by posting briefly and then give you a chance to tunnel some more.

I can get on here for short periods of time only. I will be back tomorrow proper and I'll peruse the thread then.

[SnakePlissken]

No I DMd Triple D.

[SnakePlissken]

I'm back today Saulres and you may notice that I posted earlier today? Or are you tunnelling on me so much you can't see past what's in front of you. Does it really matter? I'm fully expecting you to send the tiger after me tonight when we get to the end of this day, as much that if I survive the night, your top of my investigate list.

[SnakePlissken]

*Sigh* If you tiger boys want a response here you go.

Locke hammering on town isn't something that should be applied to his first post, although that said I can see why you put that there. The Riggs quote is out of context, and there was reasoning attached. And going "which is a very townie thing to do" is just twisting it into a scumtell for your own benefit to try and build something for later use. The final post was just doing what was being asked for and in the end had to be done. You trying to find a contradiction with the first and last quote is lame at best, as I said that for the current situation I need to take time and look at what's going on here, I didn't say that for every case.

Oh and finally your vote on me was very much OMGUS.

[SnakePlissken]

At this point flavour conjecture is pointless any way if we lynch incorrectly during this day phase. I'm not overly concerned about it now I just want to make sur we make the right decision. I'm actually very interested by Saulres point on Magicians over Psychics point. I'm now in a quandary over who I should put the investigation I on, as if I was for example to investigate Amrun again would be a waste and return the same as before or do I investigate Saulres who after Junipeis flip makes me think of you as more town now. What shall we do here?

[SnakePlissken]

I stated my stance on you both in the last day. Why the rush Amrun? Trying to get rid of me quick? Hmmm.

[SnakePlissken]

That I agree with, but I'm still not entirely decided with on who is likely what. Part of me believes that Junepei and Saulres are the scum team hiding in plain sight all along with this big talk. I'm just not sure.

OK question to you both. Who should I investigate today?

[SnakePlissken]

No I would suggest that Crab has been the other kill, although that wouldn't explain what happened last night.

[SnakePlissken]

Im not, Im at work (Currently on lunchbreak), I was waiting on TripleD, but I decided to investigate you again Amrun. This is what I got:

(A) Murderers: You and your scum partners may choose to submit a kill on a player every night by PMing me the name of the player to be killed and the player doing the killing.

Thats all I need VOTE: Amrun

Oh and just in case

Mod - If the game isn't ended soon Im V/LA until Monday

[SnakePlissken]

Oh and Saulres. It's down to you now.

[SnakePlissken]

I just wish I'd shot Saulres now. Ah well. Oh any of you looking for another game my Ghostbusters game is in signups.

I actually find it hard when replacing in as scum, to figure out the predecessors motivations, so it's quite hard to formulate opinions either way.