Mini 62: Pokemafia!

[Stewie]

*confirms*

[Stewie]

you can play 2, unless the other one is themed too.

[Stewie]

maybe there's a hidden way to train them, so he's not gonna tell us, so get those choices in!!!

[Stewie]

yeah, let the persecution begin

[Stewie]

he can't do that when the thread is made! that's... rude

[Stewie]

make that a , I was serious.

I guess we need one more player

[Stewie]

allright!

[Stewie]

what about we start playing mafia?

random

vote: mathcam

[Stewie]

Well, i have a pokemon that is one shot too, and it doesn't evolve afaik.

[Stewie]

why the vote? you know that there are one shot pokemons, because someone died and had one, and as far as I understood, you just said you have one that doesn't eveolve yourself.

Now, I'd feel really stupid if that was a random vote.

[Stewie]

I played the game, and have a good idea of what pokemons they use, but will not say right now in the hopes that one of them comes out saying "i have a....."

[Stewie]

Yeah I forgot about that line shady. How exactly am I playing that screams mafia to you massive?

maybe you didn't read his post, but he's voting for you because you are playing like you play when you are mafia. i don't see how he can draw conclusions so fast, but that's what he said.

And about that quote... well, evil guys happen to have a tendency to catch some pokemons.

[Stewie]

unvote mathcam, vote: PBuG

because we are stuck, and i think a baseless banwagon helps in rare occations, being this occation one of them.

[Stewie]

unvote: pbug, vote: mlaker

reason stated above by discer.

[Stewie]

Well, they can't be on the league, but i think they could still own pokemon. It's like owning a football, but not being able to sign up for a tounament because you are overaged. You ca still play football, just not in the tournament. Sorry if I was a bit confusing, but I just tryed to explain it in a way eveyone can relate to.

[Stewie]

can we get a vote-count?

[Stewie]

vote: pbug

do i really need to explain?

[Stewie]

i'm getting something cool :p as soon as death scence is posted. How do you know when a person logged in for the last time? I want to know abot mole...

[Stewie]

wow, my first abandoned game Hope he makes it.

[Stewie]

and when mole comes back, this will also be night.

[Stewie]

Please change the title, and send me a pm telling me if I suceded, or if I failed.

3 kills sounds like too much I'm asuming that one of those kills was done by a pro-town role.

[Stewie]

Ok, we are down to 6 players. 2 of them are probably scum. So I think, mass roleclaim time? or we keep playing like we were. i am afraid that what happened yesterday can repeat itself. even with one kill, we are screwed. we lynch someone today, assume we do it wrong... yeah, we are pretty much dead. I think it's mass roleclaim time. Who's with me?

[Stewie]

When I proposed mass roleclaim, i meant as in first pokemon only. And i would indeed think of grimer as a rocket pokemon, since that's one of the most often used by them in the games.

Now it seems like someone is kinda tripping:

But last night, I got Ditto.

I started with shellder, and got meouth last night

care to explain/role claim (as in what abilities shelter has)?

[Stewie]

First, he says last night he got ditto. In the next post, he says last night he got meouth.

[Stewie]

Drowzee

Drowzee can put someone to sleep, in which case they are unable to perform any actions that night, or kill someone if they are asleep that night.

The kill

might

have been me. I tageted mlaker to block him, since I thought that if there was only one kill instead of 2, that would mean he was scum. Now, I though that all players were awake by default. So I think that someone else with a drowzee or with another pokemon that puts people to sleep targetted him. of course, It could off been coincidence.

Furthermore, I am confident that we will not have so many kills this night, since the docs, which we hopefully have, have to at least get one right. We could also have really bad luck.

[Stewie]

I catched it the first night I got a chance to, which would be night one, and I catched because I thought it either roleblocked, or it put someone to sleep so they couldn't post for a day. I liked the idea of roleblocking, since it can be helpul to catch scum, although it might also hurt the town sometimes. I did not expect someone to also target mlaker with a drowzee.

[Stewie]

So are we going to lynch him, or wait for him to defend himself further?

Defend further? I didn't even get a chance to defend myself. Ok, first I want to point out massive's mistake:

Drowzee is definitely NOT the type of Pokemon where three of them should appear in this game. None of the main characters in the TV show own one, none of the Rockets do either.

This game is obiously not based on the show, but on the game, since on the game rockets do have grimers.

Then, I don't really know where all this votes came from, since it's quite stupid for me to actually say that the kill might have been me. i was just trying to help the town realize that there's a chance that the kill was me, therefore still having 2 killing parties, not three.

I think that there is a big chance of there being a third drowzee, I don't see why not.

Finally, i'll claim. kinda. All I can say is that i started with a Kangaskhan, but can't say it's abilities because it would make him useless. Then, i have drowzee, which you all know what it does. Finally, i have a chansey, which works as a normal doctor. I find it possible that being I a doctor, and with the posibility of there being another doctor, 2 doctors have a bigger chance of sucess. i got the chansey last night, so i didn't have a chance to use it.

[Stewie]

yes, but there's only one legendary pokemon of each. I disagee to massive's idea that there is an articuno and a zapdos, since it would make it too easy. let's just all claim first pokemons and then lynch among the ones that do not have a legendary pokemon. Scum wouldn't claim them.

[Stewie]

I asume so too.

And Fletcher, nobody, other than myself, knows for sure that i am innocent, unless there's a cop around. Nobody really said i was innocent, but I don't think I am suspicious either. I had info that could help the town, so I spilled it.

[Stewie]

The reason I didn't post the last 2-3 days is because I was trying to not log in, to make up a believable claim for christmas story mafia. Since I claimed and now I'm gone, I'll post as usual in the other threads.

I think shadyforce is suspicious, but someone even more. It's clear to me that at least one of them is mafia. I do not believe that a pro-town role would have night kill immunity, because that would make then extremely powerful. All we have to do is get a shelder and we'll all have protection. However, I think that a shelder in the hands of scum would indeed give night protection.

I will vote for shadyforce if we agree on lynching him, tomorrow someone. I will not vote yet since a scum can fast lynch and pretty much win the game. Also, if we end up lynching a townie, and mathcam, fletcher/massive and I are alive, i should protect mathcam, and mathcam should protect fletcher/massive. I only have one really useful pokemon, chansey, but it doens't make sense to protect each other.

[Stewie]

vote: someone

after thinking about his shelder, I decided not to trust him.

[Stewie]

Stewie: What about Someone's Shellder made you vote for him?

The fact that he can protect himself as many times as he wants. Of course he didn't say so, but unless he says "only once/twice/whatever in the game, I will not believe him. It's just too overpowered. The fact that he proposed no lynch in what could be a lynch scum or lose situation doesn't help him either.

[Stewie]

I just want to say that I didn't reveal my kangaskan ability because I feel like it can help the town tomorrow.

*goes to his hotel room, to sleep*

[Stewie]

he posted on the threat game.

[Stewie]

your point is? Mine is not overpowered, just helpful. the fact that you can have a pokemon that can protect you all nights is ridiculous.

[Stewie]

I do. maybe it's you that blocked a kill, but maybe it's me or mathcam that saved the mafia target from a kill. Do not use roleblocking this night, as it might hurt the town. (if you block me or cam, we wouldn't be able to protect people, etc).

[Stewie]

shadyforce, with no doubt.

[Stewie]

mole hasn't been around too much lately. I sent him a pm with a question and he didn't reply. hopefully he'll be back in 2004

[Stewie]

I think shadyforce is the most suspicious person. He says he has this "special power" yet he doesn't use it. I'd like to hear what it is. I'd also like to know whether massive stopped the night actions or if it was someone/something else.

I also don't like shady's "It's probably not them, so let's vote the other 2" logic.

[Stewie]

Less likely to be them => more likely to be you. What's so confusing about that logic?

It's CrapLogic™

[Stewie]

It's not superscript, it's a special character. You can use the Alt+### where you would replace ### with a number I forgot, or you can go to MS word and go insert>>>symbol and search for it there.

I am surprized to see that moltres had nothing to do with the fire, and if it was someone pro-town, I would like to hear why they did it, and with what.

[Stewie]

I do know the game, but you only play Giovanni 2 times in the whole game, and he has 6 pokemon, so I forgot about Dugtrio. I did not forget that Team Rocket goons usually have grimers, ratattas, weezings, drowzees (yeah, I know ) and maybe I'm missing one, but I'm not sure.

Also, after reading mathcam's "I was going to protect Stewie" post, I better say what my kangaskan does. It makes me immune to one nightkill. That's why I didn't say whatit did, because I wanted the mafia to attack me, and between that, mathcam and I, we would protect more than half the town. Also, that's why I said it actually did something that could help the town today, because I wanted the mafia to target me. Finally, that's the reason why I though someone's claim was a bit absurd. I mean, how come he can protect himself each night and I only can one? Maybe mine acts automatically when I get attacked, I thought later, although mole didn't answer my pm, so I guess I am not supposed to know.

Right now, it's between mathcam and shadyforce, but defenetly shadyforce. I can't see why there's 2 legendary birds. not 1, not 3, 2.

Finally, if after this day we don't win, I think we should all, except me, try to capture a kangaskan. This way, we would be 3 by tomorrow, but it wouldn't be endgame, since we would all be immune to kills, so we get an extra day. Not what we would call a "flawless" plan, but it's the best I can think off right now.

[Stewie]

I don't really see why I'm suspicious. I will

vote shadyforce

for using crap logic.

[Stewie]

so articuno does exactly the same as moltres, and even knowing that you can't get anyone lying, you wanted to use it anyways. Just the fact that it does the same screams scum.

What you said is crap logic because you can't really completly isolate the chance of massive and fletcher being scum unless the game is over, and you found out they are not. I do not want you to say "Lets lynch Stewie and mathcam because massive and fletcher don't look like scum" but I want reasonsto why I am suspicious. Vote stays due to bad claim.

[Stewie]

I could protect mathcam. Mathcam would protect either you or fletcher. Most likely randomly, so the mafia have 1/2 chance of failing, which is pretty good. And for them to be able to attack me the next night, they will have to attack me this night. It's either wasting a kill on me, or not being able to kill me tomorrow. This would give us a better chance to suceed.

[Stewie]

Actually, of the claimed pokemons the only one that could have quick attack is Vulpix. I would think a rocket could have a rattata, which would also do the attack.

I think your FOS/Vote are OMGUS. I also think you are scum, since apparantly massive's role wasn't so specific about what attack it used, and it seems weird to have exactly 2 legendary pokemon (I would think 1 or 3 would be a good number, but not 2) and both having the same ability.

[Stewie]

Here:

http://www.cheatplanet.com/gbstrategy/pokemon_2.txt

That should be proof enough that Dugtrio does not have quick attack (it's under "pokemon abilities" I believe, and to make it faster for you, it's number 50/51.

[Stewie]

yeah... pretty much same thing

[Stewie]

I've been wanting to lynch him ever since massive said that his role wasn't specific about the attack used.

[Stewie]

I think that our best bet is to go after shadyforce right now. About fletcher, it would be a good idea if 2 or 3 of us could try to catch a psyduck. I'll certainly do it.

There's also the posiblility that there's 2 scum and one SK, and that fletcher is either of them, which would mean that he wouldn't off won if he lynched me.

[Stewie]

and by 2 scum I mean pbug and one more.

[Stewie]

I'll catch a psyduck, so should either mathcam or massive, to be sure. The other one might consider catching kangaskan.

I'll protect mathcam and myself. Mathcam, use own judgement to protect either massive or fletcher, or flip a coin, whichever you want.

Fletcher: investigate someone.

I know that someone here is lying about his/her role, but the above strategy is kinda foolproof, since we would get some information.

Also, I still think that shadyforce was scum.

[Stewie]

But by catching a psyduck we can check if it really does what fletcher told us it does. It won't do us any good, since we won't be able to use it, but we are somehow investigating fletcher.

And I still have hopes of shady being scum... I wouldn't say I'm scum (if I was) until the death scene is posted.

[Stewie]

Oh, ok. You might want to change the title mole.

Well, there you have it. He escaped, and that's why he said he was actually town, so he could still be scum (and I think so, since if he was really town he would just let himself die so we don't waste another lynch on him, and the night that massive bought us).

Anyone has any ideas on what to do know, I'd like to hear them.

[Stewie]

well, psyduck does indeed have a one-shot cop ability. Fletcher, care to share results?

[Stewie]

Well, I protected you cam, and you don't seem to be dead.

I am waiting for Fletcher's results. We should keep in mind that it is psyduck, and the results might be wrong (can be incompetent cop and get random, or can be naive, even paranoid).

Out of the alive people, I still think that shadyforce is scum, and when he gets back (if we didn't lose/win already) we should ask him if he actually decided to teleport, or if it was an instant thing.

I am considering a no lynch as an option, but I am also considering the fact that the night before this one 3 people died, so I think that the best thing would be to lynch, and hope shadyforce misses his lynch.

[Stewie]

I meant kill. Misses his

kill

[Stewie]

Well, I am certainly not scum, and if you find me suspicious, I would like to know why. There's no way I can possibly defend myself if I don't know exactly what i'm being acused of. Furthermore, I think that psyduck is likely to be naive. And of course, there's the fact that we do not know how you investigated him, being his "miles away."

Anyways, did mathcam tell us what his starting pokemon does? Because now would be a great time.

[Stewie]

In the series he's somehow a crappy pokemon, and game-wise I don't like him either.

I don't have nidoran.

[Stewie]

I think him being away get's rid ofd that option.

I agree, obiously not both of you are mafia, but I think that at least one of you is. Bah, maybe not.

This is difficult to say, due to the game's odd things... I kinda wish mathcam was town (2 protections) but if I trust him and lynch fletcher, I might be doing the wrong thing.

I do, however, believe both mathcam and fletcher are town. So it's either lynching shadyforce if we can (which I doubt) or no lynch, and hope we make the night. I'll reread sometime after.

[Stewie]

Well, if we kill someone tonight, we would have 3 people left. If you are not lying, mathcam, you should be able to protect 2 other people, and I should be able to protect you, unless you don't think I'm telling the truth. However, I got no reason to think that fletcher is lying.

I'll reread when I have more time and come to a conclusion.

[Stewie]

Ok, I reread the thread, and here are the notes I took:

Night One
Boo dies
Meowth- investigative, if sent to Rocket it will stay, if not it will
come back, altough it might take some time

Electra dies
Squirtle- One-Shot protection for one night.

DAY 1
- Mathcam claims to have a starting pokemon that is not one shot and
does not evolve, as far as he knows.
- Mathcam starts a bandwagon on PBuG, for something obious. I follow.
- Mathcam and Fletcher stay on PBuG. Mathcam notices that "generic
townie" and trainer are 2 different things.
- Fletcher points out that TR members have pokemons
- Mathcam unvotes PBuG, thinking that not being able to compete means
not being able to have pokemons
- I say that TR members can have pokemons, although they are not
in the competition
- Off the still living, Fletcher is the only one who failed to vote
for PBuG
- Massive suggests Jigglypuff for night catch
- PBuG is lynched (mafia). He has a grimer, which makes target get
lynched with one vote less, and Bulbasaur, that prevents target from
capturing pokemons

Night Two

Maverick dies
Magnemite- sends 6 character message once in the game to all trainers
with magnemites
Abra- teleports you if you are attacked, and only once during the
game.

Mlaker dies
Bulbasaur
Drowsee- blocks or kills if already blocked

Discer dies
Porygon- gives names of all pokemons target owns
Nidoran- If player and other player with opposite sex nidoran vote for
a player, it's 3 votes instead of 2

DAY 2
- discussion about someone
- shady asks if mathcam suggested a no lynch, which he obiously didn't.
- I come out saying the mlaker kill might off been me.
- Fletcher says that mass roleclaim will help the town because we can
all make wise decisions toghether. Yeah, right. However, he did not
lynch me.
- mathcam says he has a Bulbosaur, a Chansey, and a Diglett.
- Mathcam says he recruited diglett and bulbasaur, making chansey the
starting pokemon by default
- Fletcher started with psyduck, caught a jigglypuff, then a Growlithe
- Mathcam says that He actually started with diglett, catched bulbasaur,
then Chansey.
- mathcam mentions that someone said catching chansey might be a good
idea. Nobody said such a think, as far as I know.
idea
- Mathcam says that he used bulbasaur. didn't he use diglett?

Night Three
massive dies

DAY 3
- mathcam claims to have protected massive, although he's dead.
- mathcam claims to have protected massive and me.

Well, day one mathcam did point at PBuG, but the other days he did plenty of suspicious stuff.

- Day one, he claimed to have a Pokemon that does not evolve. Just by going to the pokemon site he could off discovered that Diglett does evolve.
- He says he recruited Diglett and Bulbasaur, later to correct himself
- He says that someone recomended Chansey for a capture. I don't know where he got this idea from.
- He says that he used Bulbasaur, and it didn't evolve. Wow, you have a doctor-like pokemon and you don't use it?
- Mathcam claims that he protected massive. I doubt that mole would put a doctor that doesn't work (specially if it's our only doctor)
- Mathcam claims that he protected me. Wouldn't it be much better if you protected Fletcher instead of me, therefore protecting everyone?

BIG FOS: Mathcam

[Stewie]

Where, exactly, did I say that. I am sure that there's a logic explanation... unless you made it up.

[Stewie]

What I meant about the Bulbasaur is that you said that you used it and it didn't evolve. But you didn't say you used diglett, making me think that you did not use the doctor pokemon.

Anyways, since you didn't kill me (which would guarantee a win for you) I am going to throw my attack at Fletcher.

- Failed to vote PBuG.
- he says that mass roleclaim could help the town with choices. It would also help the mafia change the choices of the town pokemons.
- Did not use the Psyduck until last night.
- Did not participate much in the game.

If that fails, I'm going with no lynch.

[Stewie]

Ok, that should read if

they

. Is hard to guess I said that since it wasn't on my immediatly last post. I'm no mind reader, specially on the internet.

- Fair enough.
- Yes, but your idea of a roleclaim helping was "so the town could decide all toghether the choices" which was not the case. There's one scum, maybe even 2 (although if they are 2 they are in different sides) and they have a say too.
- I would off used it after day one. But whatever floats your vote.
- Well, I didn't find it to be as much as you should.

Err... no. In fact, me doing this acusations to both mathcam and you should somehow clear me. I want to be 99.99% sure neither of you are mafia before voting no lynch, because otherwise it's game over for the town. You may, if you'd like, do the same for me. I also encourage mathcam to do this. If not, we can just do a no lynch and get over it.

[Stewie]

Night 2 we had 3 kills, although I think that I'm somehow responsible for one.

Cam: only if there are 2 mafia in the same side.

[Stewie]

But if shady is one of them, he has no say. So if one if you is scum with shady, then we have to lynch right to be able to win. That, plus we have to get lucky with the docs, since we would be two, plus shady. If shady doesn't kill, then we can lynch him. If not, then we are dead.

[Stewie]

Ok, let's no lynch.

Vote: nolynch

I'll try to block shadyforce, if you don't mind (with drowsee).

[Stewie]

Vote: shadyforce

It's obiously day, but if you know of a pokemon that can kill, this would be a nice time to tell.

Btw, I protected mathcam yesterday, so chansey must be a placebo doctor.

[Stewie]

Really hard endgame for me... I had to figure fletcher was evil too, which I found somewhat unlikely, and vote no lynch, hopefully making them kill each other at night.

Bah!

[Stewie]

Why would I let you speak? I knew you were scum.

[Stewie]

I thought that when someone asked for one he made them up at the moment, checking what they would do, and how to make it so the game is balanced.