Karma Mafia (Day 3)

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confirm

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yah i am np,

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want to be on record here that i am personally and morally opposed to any claiming. as such i will not be claiming anything.

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vote mehdi

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yah i am np,

Good... I recognize 3 in this game and you're the only one i'll feel comfortable blindly sheeping.

blieve youre giving my scum hunting skills way more credit than they deserve.

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Greetings!

Random voting is barbaric and unharmonious. I shall not be partaking in such vulgar practices.

Also, as I do my best to walk the path most straight and true, my posting in this game may be somewhat infrequent. I may be unable to respond to questions immediately or to carry on protracted exchanges, as I must first meditate on the answers. However, I shall do my best to eventually respond to comments or inquiries directed at me in later posts.

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uh you see all that voting reecers doin? please step off.

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kid owns

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It's random and he's lurking. Vote stays.

is it random or is it because hes lurking? a little contradictory there...

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i rescind my prior comments re: reecer and his placement in regards to the "own zone"

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Ree how was he lurking? And why random vote then? (rvs is only as long as you make it after the first 5 or so posts)

Kanye can you give me some reason why your voting me?

got a feelin g and i wanna be at the front of the line if its pans out. please continue,

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hi all been bz l8ly catching up now.. pls,,, 4give me.

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i read those pages then kinda shrugged my shoulders

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i can talk about claiming shit tho. im not really seeing how its too beneficial for scum to know towns karma policies, but as i previously said before, on a moral and ethical standpoint i will absolutely not be claiming anything. claiming offends me on every level and i simply want nothing to do with it. i hope ive made myself clear on this point.

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unvote

believe mr ree is town as well. also mehdi u missed a pretty heavily crumbed karma path that i personally think is pretty obvious 2 see.

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there was something he did in all there that made me think he was town but i forgot what it was now,

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Is there a reason for not mass claiming karma?

except for situations where it might out a pr no, probably not. im still personally not claiming anything though.

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catchup.

By the way, I get bad karma for double posting, which is like my Achilles' Heel so FUCK ME RIGHT NOW :'(

i would rather eat a modkill than have that karma my heart goes out 2 u matt

kkb isn't the town beacon I thought he'd be.... not happy here.

sorry benny

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vote haze

push on mr ree without the vote. kids scum as shit.

manho for number 2 choice of scum. again, believe his move on ree is scum motivated. when i reread a minite ago reecer felt off to me but ill give a shit abt him later.

mehdi, ree, benmage, matt all solid town. dont give a shit abt ne1 else.

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ray is town too.

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I know you were first on haze and I did say you started looking at him. Reecer's if he's town looking at his old games would make him seem to be the easiest target to push on. As for it's too sloppy to come from scum you that's basically the same as it's too scummy for me to do it as scum which isn't a good argument.

this would be a valid argument if his vote was on reecer and he was actively trying to get reecer lynched today.

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vote haze

push on mr ree without the vote. kids scum as shit.

manho for number 2 choice of scum. again, believe his move on ree is scum motivated. when i reread a minite ago reecer felt off to me but ill give a shit abt him later.

mehdi, ree, benmage, matt all solid town. dont give a shit abt ne1 else.

???

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my scum reads right now are based on the fact that i think mr ree is town and his play was very tempting for scum to push onto in a game devoid of other action for them to take advantage of.

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and yes, i think that his not placing the vote is very telling. it feels like he wants the wagon to go through but isnt sure if its going to have the continued support to go through or not. he can feel safer passively pushing it.

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unvote vote reecer

dang hes scum AND i get to be at the front of the wagon?

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yo reeceman, do you have a solid opinion on a single thing in this game?

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yah i guess you could make the argument that im attacking him because i think hes an easy target. you could probably say the same about my haze vote. i would disagree with you though,

if you think that reecer is an easy target because he has posted zero content and has been wishy washy as fuck and done nothing but coast all game then sure. but i think that makes him scum imh o? and this is a great place to go while haze and manho are off in avoid the fuckin thread land

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did you look at his scum games to see if his play is less so there?

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blieve that meta is worthless without a scum game to compare it to.

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shoutouts to reecer for checking the thread, seeing the imminent deadline and choosing instead to stay the heck out,

im fine with manho/haze but im kind of starting to prefer reecer.

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yo dram can we get some prods up in this piece?

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id like to point out that haze has been avoiding the other thread he is currently actively playing in. manho replaced out of the only other game he was in, but has posted in mish mash. blieve manho to be the more likely of the pair to be avoiding the thread for alignment reasons.

also i 4got to mention, i am liking molla a lot. he has some nice interaction with sword and its makin me want to reread sword. 4got about that.

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unvote vote manho

request that molla, matt, chrono and ben unvote and revote manho, ty,

town mehdi
matt
molla
ree
benmage
ray

sword
haze
manho
scum reecer

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unvote

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vote reecer

as i previously stated, i liked mollas points against him.

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sword is the him being referred to

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???

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i was answering your question m8. did u 4get that you asked?

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v/la til the 13th

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ilu mehdi


okay heres what i want from everyone (except mehdi ur exempt):
reads on sword,ben,chrono

from sword,ben,chrono i want reads on everyone (you can skip mehdi and myself)

TY

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yo molla i asked nicely gimme them reads, im doin a thing

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btw i dont want any more claims related to the nightkills just yet, ill let yall know when its okay to claim anything further,

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You somehow expected me to claim on day 2 at start?

Dude. Seriously? You suck at playing PRs. Who do you think I was talking about on day 1? Why do you think I asked if you edited your karma? Why do you think I had you as my strongest town read?

i dont want to steer conversation too far away from my relevant talking points (see: #589; see also: answer the question or i swear to god i will lynch you) but just to clarify, you believed that mehdi had a pr d1? would you be willing to share at what point exactly this belief came about?

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yo benny answer the fuckin question. ill be happy to explain why im conf town after i get my answers.

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hey yos:

ilu mehdi


okay heres what i want from everyone (except mehdi ur exempt):
reads on sword,ben,chrono

from sword,ben,chrono i want reads on everyone (you can skip mehdi and myself)

TY

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well, i dont care about your read on mehdi or myself since were both conftown ? or do you mean about everybody else ?its only 7 people im not asking you to build a fuckin case on them, just a simple scum/town/null will suffice. dwi.

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surely you have opinions on the players in this game.

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btw to clarify, this isnt a shitty stupid gambit. well all b much happier for this i guarantee it ,

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hang on to your reads for now but defo get them out there before we end the day.

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hey yos. answer my fuckin question.

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oh, thanks : ]

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STILL WAITING ON RAYFROST, SWORD, CHRONO AND BEN PLEASE MAKE ME HAPPY <3

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thx rly 'preash it m8 : ]

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@molla elaborate on your chrono town read

@ben i dont give a shit abt your reads anymore, i just want your stance on chrono. you said you wanted to pl him yesterday. would you still want to lynch him today? is he more likely to be town or scum.

@ray guess the theme give me your fuckin chrono read

i mostly have what i want now so when i get home 2day im gonna move things along,

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molla explain your chrono town read please,

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k i actually dont care anymore i probably wont get anything else of value at this point.

im not going to outright claim why i know this (as i previously pointed out, im opposed to that sort of thing) but if i can ~redirect~ you to what matters: chrono killed haze. it was not his intended target. chrono is scum.

vote chrono

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what this means: there is only one scum team. there is no sk or whatever bullshit people were speculating about

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also there is one more scum left after chrono and we have 2 conf town, and three practically conftown in shamrock, ree and yosarian. our two conftown are pr's that are outed. i propose we massclaim at this point.

since scum is in {rayfrost, sword, molla, ben} we should be able to poe this pretty easily

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btw dont you fuckers all hop like fuck onto chrono yet. i want to get everything in order for the night before we start dropping votes onto him besides mine.

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think the remaining scum is most likely rayfrost (suggest you vig him tonight mehdi) with molla and sword tied for next most likely. really doubt ben is scum. my ~power~ will let me clear whoever i target tonight (if im dead my target is conftown assuming scum have no strongman (they dont or they wouldnt have had chrono submit the kill last night))

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so in short basically what im proposing at this point: mass claim, lynch chrono, mehdi vigs rayfrost, i target one of molla/sword, and the last scum should be obvious tomorrow.

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chrono doesnt really need to claim tbqh, he is 100% confirmed scum, no wiggle room or nothin.

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guess so

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hey molla werent we both just in a game with some1 who defended themselves excessively w. town selfmeta and it was pretty much a big worthless distraction that had no positive benefit for town?

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i could have sworn that was a thing that actually happened and that at the end of the day everyone learned a valuable lesson so that the game wasnt a complete fucking waste

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nope.

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typically you dont claim vig as sk when youre a universal townread. and i have no doubt that dram allows scum members to submit kills for eachother (every mod does) that doesnt have anything to do with you being caught scum.

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lol

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cool it on the votes. want to make sure we have everything in order before the lynch goes through TYVM

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ie unvote shamrock,,,

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neways massclaim is because we have 2 pr's already outed and were about to lynch the 2nd out of presumably 3 scum. additionally we have about 3 others who are practically confirmed town via scum interactions so scum are already up 2 backed up on people they need to kill. massclaim provides little risk to our pr's, locks the last scum into a claim and gives town more information to work with.

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[quote="In post 697, Benmage"][/quote]
mainly wanted chronos reads on everyone and everyons reads on chrono. most of the reads i didnt give a shit about but were to camouflage the specific reads i was looking for.

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My one scummy association is saying I don't see how haze is convincingly scummy from like... four posts. Excuse me for not being able to read someone from virtually nothing.

Also didn't use my cop because I didn't want to have to reveal a result that would most likely be an innocent super early into the game. Just didn't seem like a good idea.

otoh you can ignore your karma.

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what do you think would happen if you ignored your karma rayfrost ?

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ebwopx3:
KKb, what made you target Chrono (and I guess to haze as well)

haze was obvscum and would therefore be an unlikely choice to send a kill. chrono seemed like scum to me and since he had flown pretty much under the radar a more likely candidate for committing the kill. yos was also unlikely to be submitting a kill as scum. didnt have any other strong scum reads

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I maintain my Haze/Ray pair theory, and that, if redirected, I would have blocked Haze. There's a chance that Kanye is scum, killed Haze himself, and merely claimed Redirector. I'm not going to rule anything out at this point. After all, I can't prove one way or the other whether or not I was redirected.

please dont lower yourself to this chronopie, youre better than that,,,

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mehdi claims a target, i claim a target, rayfrost claims a target. i actuallybelieve his claim now since vig/redirector/1shot cop seems like it could be balanced against rolecop/roleblocker/probgoon

will claim my target tonight

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hm actually chrono sent the kill so he might not be trueclaiming rb unless dram allows nk and separate action. or his buddy could be the rb. will need to consider this more closely

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also before i 4get, id like to point out that if i die tonight then whoever i target is conftown

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i will not be disclosing who i redirect towards. believe being able to clear my target trumps potentially forcing the scum nk target. im open to debate on this matter if you feel strongly to the contrary.

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yes, there is.

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also before i 4get, id like to point out that if i die tonight then whoever i target is conftown

all the reason to disclose. mehdi discloses so we dont overlap targets. scum wont be hitting mehdis target pool and knowing my target does nothing for them so theres no downsides to it

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ben the point is scum arent going to ever shoot any of the people we want mehdi to shoot. there will be two kills tonight unless mehdi no kills.

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i care if mehdi and i overlap because with only one scum left wvery time i redirect someone and their new target doesnt die they become conftown. scum are pretty much forced to kill me tonight and ill be leaving yall with another conftown if my target doesnt get vigged

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yes, thats the plan. ill still be disclosing who it is so that if they are town and i get hit by the nk you guys will have your conf town out of it. im dragging my feet here because ive been pretty busy but i want to try and look at the game again tomorrow afternoon before we make our night decisions and hammer. plus i want ray to followup on his last post

ebwop yes,, u see it now,

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dont really like yos investigation

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as i should be first in line to eat the nightkill i dont think huge scum gambit is something youll have to worry about from me.

im gonna read the thread again over the next few hours but im gonna start by saying i think molla should be the vig, ben the investigate and sword the redirect. assuming none of our night actions nets a guilty then depending on chronos flip we lynch rayfrost to confirm his innocent (goon = lynch 4 sure, some sort of investigation tampering role confirms him as town.) if we still come up negative then it should be pretty trivial to poe the last scum.

im probably going to change my mind about who i want investigated after i reread tho :x

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yes if chrono flips town (he wont, his posting since i shared my results indicates they are accurate) or there are 4 scum (!!!) then i cannot clear anyone. my clear only works if there is only one scum to send the kill.

can you elaborate on how exactly you believe we will be penalized by you being in the game near lylo?

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kkb, Yos is a shaky slot... and one of the better players therefore a harder lynch than pretty much everyone else out there... (save me, but I'm being redirected)

So he should definitely be the cop.

my issue is that chrono wanted manho lynched over haze. assuming haze and manho were both scum, given the fact that manhos flip would be far more informative decent scum would push instead for the haze lynch. they get towncred for bussing their buddy and it gives the impression that the saved buddy is more likely to be town since it was a competing wagon. all of this leads me to believe that yos is very likely to be town.

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I'm still having a hard time fathoming why people think I'd actually play like this as scum instead of playing it safe and out of conflict like I'd actually do and always do.

the last few games where ive been in where you played like this town has been in really shitty spots. weve pretty much got it made this game which kind of throws it off for me, and more importantly youre so quick to brandish your self meta and point out how self aware you are of it. that and im mostly conflicted by what seems to me to be a very small numble of possible suspects. :x

honestly wish we could just kill ray and be done with it but he chose his claim well if hes scum.

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yeah thats fine enuf for me i suppose. remember, if chrono flips framer or godfather or something thats clearly designed to counteract a cop, then ray becomes much more likely town and it may not be necessary to flip him.

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VOTE: Deadline extension

Failing that... VOTE: Manho Even though he's being replaced.

Ray, dude, You're town in my book, but I think you're reading more into Manho than what actually there.

So do you think haze looks townier then manho now?

Haze is a null-info flip.

Manho gets us info either way. Possibly also confirming Ray-town.

Ideally we'll get a DL extension.

but still, kind of feel like yos cop is a waste ;;;

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Hold up hold up I'm getting clarification on something.

Also I dunno what the karma thing would've done but I tend to want to avoid those shennanigans that I don't get risk averse an all

never got clarification on this.

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also btw d1 i asked dram if targeting a hypothetical investigative role would give them any indication that their target had been swapped: the answer was no

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Manho is fairly scummy too, Haze is worse though.

Sham, are you implying that I'm not good enough to get a strong townread on someone from blunt posts (e.g. Chronopie)?

I'm skeptical of any sort of read based on so little information, and the scum game is the only game I've played with you anyway.

Also if you think I'm scum then you should be voting Haze anyway because I always bus D1 as scum so easy peasy

Already am!

btw heres why shamrock is town. that and being right on top of haze with matt.

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conftown*

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he probably isnt since he was content while it looked like he was going to actually be the vig target for a minute and no one was commenting on it further. scum trying to push that ploy would get desperate to make their gambit work. doesnt mean he shouldnt die though.

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could you full claim all of your karma rules sword?

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either you just fakeclaimed and gambitted perfectly or youre pretty town by mistaken impression/karma path. youll be fine not getting any karma hits until lylo and tbqh it probably doesnt matter then. also we really shouldnt even get to lylo (mylo at worst.)

with this im fine to sticking with vig molla, redirect ben, cop onto yos (or sword i guess? :I)

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sry abt that chrono. that list you gave me would have def made me reconsider on you if i didnt have that guilty <3

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wine really doesnt suit me,,were still lynching ray 2morrow

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you really did,

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now, if you had told me shamrock was your partner and he had the karma path to bus d1, then we might have some wine to work with ; - )

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gosh i just dont know what to think anymore, im all befuddled as shit now

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tbf you did nk your buddy. thats like as hard as you could possibly bus him,

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fyi the issue with karma affecting his ability to cop is that by the time he gains the bad karma hes already used his one shot ??? gosh that seems unlikely to me.

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dont let ray weasle his way out of this shit when hes spinning his tires trying to explain himself while youre preparing the rope

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tbqh dram said that karma as a mechanic would play some role in the game but i really wouldnt be surprised if its essentially functionless. all of the karmas we know are super reasonable and something most people try to play by as it is already. honestly the worst i could imagine would be mehdi or i losing our abilities if we broke too much karma (they are called karmic permissions after all.) maaaaybe worst case scenario would be a vt losing his vote or having a pr imposed ?? but that sounds pretty unreasonable.

i really just dont expect karma actually does anything

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that said i should have pretty dang high karma depending on how broadly dram defines claiming

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SORRY

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hey dram give me a 1shot bp for my sick ass karma tyvmia

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Makes sense. I'm almost hoping this all goes sideways, though. With everything set in stone, this game has lost much of it's enjoyment factor. I'm feeling kinda useless.

roles trump skill

yeah redirector is such a godly role,,,

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bntw guess i was wrong when i told you not 2 sheep me this game benny,

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i think its safe to say dram is letting scum submit the kill and action. either that or scum have a third pr that is more appealing to use than chronos modified roleblock n1. that said, i only see two possible prs that would be an issue for us at this point: a scum redirector and a strongman. a scum redirector probably would have redirected your kill onto me and a scum strongman probably would have sent the kill n1. think its just likely that scum didnt want that yos result at all.

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rolecop/roleblocker/goon and a sk versus redirector and 1shot cop. i dont think so

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im assuming that a redirect would take precedence over a roleblock. at the worst i think that this would fall under rule 11) in which case i submitted my redirect right as night fell. i dont suspect it was tampered with.

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honestly dont think that is that much town power. the only reliable aspect is the cop and that is one shot. redirector and vig are very much double edged roles.

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the only reason our town seems powerful at all is that i nailed my redirect as perfectly as i could have. str8 up hole in 1d that shit.

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the other scenario that explains everything is clearing out the hard confirmation and leaning on wifom to discredit the redirected confirmations. yos scum can be folded into that explanation as well.

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you are, however, right though. nar says roleblock comes before redirect. i keep conflating redirect with bus so i thought it was above roleblock as well :x

still, i dont expect multiple roleblockers when town power is this limited as it is.

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either scum have a 3rd pr or a role can action and kill as well.

one of those two things has to be true unless chronopies roleblock was modified in some way that using it n1 was inadvisable. he was a modified roleblocker but we dont know how he was modified.

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not sure how i feel abt hiding your target. suppose it could work fine. right now im pretty much a fan of redirecting shamrock and lynching yos.

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would actually like to hear the details of this

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People with good karma avoid bad things.
Events will happen at certain points in the game
For example: "INSTANT KARMA! X has been killed for having terrible karma."

Neither of these examples are actually in the game.

from the signup thread it would seem to me that karma events would be broadcasted in the thread. additionally dram specified that good karma merely avoids negative karma events. my guess at this point is that karma is not a nonmechanic, just that most people have been playing to their karma that no one has accumulated enough negative karma to trigger one. that is, all karma events stem from bad karma and are likely not beneficial. think at this point we can largely ignore any karma based scum opportunity for a comeback.

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i know this was pasted earlier in the thread but i never actually read it carefully enough to come to this conclusion :x

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vote yos

not really seeing a reason against it.

can you guys unvote and revote him so im at the head of the wagon? once im there i dont mind a hammer. and most of our night actions sound good ?

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btw more explanations of why we dont have to worry about any scum roleblocker/redirector: they would have used it on rayfrost last night and killed me. if he claimed he was roleblocked 2day, it was an instant lynch. for redirector they could have redirected him to themselves for a false guilty, getting a free lynch on yos and then forcing the vig onto rayfrost.

we can conclusively say that outside of a strongman my confirmations are airtight. dont let any fucker try to wifom this shit.

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only applies to confirmations other than ben.

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so if im dead tonight shamrock is 100% town no other way around it.

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nething else youd like to add for us going forward to tomorrow yos?

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its not like were blindly poe'ing. id still like to lynch the most likely scum then use our night actions on the backup choices. i just think that you are the most likely one in our pool to be scum

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reminder for ben to unvote and revote before we hammer tia

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Votecount 9

Yosarian2 (2): benmage, mehdi, kanyeknowsbest
Benmage (1): Mr_Ree
SoO (1): Yosarian2

Nobody (2): Sword_of_Omens, shamrock

It's 2.4 to lynch!
Deadline is on the 17th

@mod blieve mehdi unvoted and revoted and should be at the end of the vote line here

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also if the votecount is to be believed one of the three of us have only .6 of a vote now z_z

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suggest we spread our votes and wait for dram 2 update the vc to be sure

unvote vote shamrock

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@dram update vc pls

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it doesnt do anything now since i put my vote elsewhere while we wait for dram to update the vc again so we can figure out wth

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gosh sorry ben i kind of want to know what the fuck is up with the vote count and why if it was 2.4 to lynch with 7 alive and we had 3 votes on the wagon nothing happened? idk, seems kind of important 2 me.

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i misunderstood you.

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on that note i was tempted to ask for a deadline extension along witht he vc, you know, just in case it takes that long z_z

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yah one of us outright doesnt have a vote which is the main concern.

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imho it appears to me that this isnt a karma issue affecting any particular players. its either some karma issue or a scum pr obfuscating the votecount. id be willing to bet that if we piled 4 votes on someone they would in fact be lynched.

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if we wanted to be safe we could cycle a few sets of 3 votes on someone to make sure we dont have some sort of vote stealer ? idk.

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someone ofc being yos.

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well, all the fuckin signs point at it and my gut points at it and your posting really isnt making me feel more comfortable about you sooooo,,,

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yesterday was like a hundred years and 3 town reveals away. what matters is that you are acting like scum right now? weve said repeatedly that the goal today is to lynch scum and you have yet to put forth any concrete reason or effort on why sword is the better lynch. it should be no fucking wonder everyone wants you lynched when all of your posts today have been delaying and weak appeals

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i would like that

vote yos

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thought you wanted sword. would appreash if u would give me lit. any reason to think you were town or that following along with your vote was a better idea ?

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also ben pls do the unvote revote thing tyvmuch

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unvote vote yos

???

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feel i should probably remind yall that im redirecting sham tonight.
mehdi i strongly suggest u vig ree over sword.

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same

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yo why didnt you claim this yesterday. why did you force ray to use his investigate on you?

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were already at lynch+1 (assuming normal lynch rate and not w.e. bullshit dram is feeding us) and basically i want every vote in the game on yos today before im gonna accept this.

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including his own

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everyone in this case is just shamrock and yos i guess. ty 4 ure cooperation,

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Vote Yourself.

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Change of plans, vote shamrock, vig sword, redirect either me, ben or yos, but don't reveal who. If yos's claim is true, it's too powerful for scum. It also means Ben isn't clear.

rejected.

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well discuss all these alternatives once sham and yos vote for yos and dram shows up to prove that yos is unlynched.

also your explanation for your vote ree would make sense if dram appearances had not already been proven to be extremely infrequent.

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that said, 4 man scum team is extremely unlikely with this level of power. see this game for an example of how much power dram would be likely to load into a game with that much scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=18814

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v/la til wednesday

ill have phone access so ill still submit my night action. suggest that after yos votes himself and dram shows up to prove he really is unlynchable we lynch ree, redirect shamrock and vig sword. theres basically no way the game shouldnt be over by then.

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hey yos i cant help but notice you are avoiding self voting. could you pls vote your own freaking seld please?

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if yos refuses to self vote and our lynch has failed we vig him lynch ree and redirect sham.

imho.

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yeah, that.

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situations in which "unlynchable" is viable as scum here:
1-shot self governor
some sort of vote theft or shifting
hidden potential for other townies to be backup vigs

seeing as the listed to lynch is 2.4 and 3 of us on yos was listed as only 2 on yos, there is some sort of vote/lynch numbers fuckery going on. so yeah, im gonna play conservative with calling him town when hes been acting like scum all day until dram gets in here and gives us a vc in the hopes that it will reveal some information. and more importantly, yes, i fucking want him shot if hes going to claim unlynchable and then refuse to vote himself.

also yes, youre on deck for being likely scum ree. im not happy with shamrock either but im much less happy with you and id rather have him alive and confirmed tomorrow than you.

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can ne1 tell me why "confirmed town definitely cant be lynched" yosarian's post history looks like this http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 5&sr=posts and is sorely lacking a self vote in this thread or any sort of push or discussion about who he thinks is town?

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i havent 4gotten u ben. i need you man your my rock, youre the only 1 i can count on here to be sane and keep me safe from the crazy.

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hopepfyuly,

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while my redirection smashed this game, our 2 leading d1 wagons were both on scum.

nj all. btw you were prob fucked by poe regardless yos, but all of your attempts to cast doubt on fearmonger and no real effort to push your lynch made you really obvo

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yeah thats the only karma i think was a real handicap. much like matts no dbl posting i would have flaglantry broke once per page

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tbf ree i was kind of purposely working you up. i wanted there to be the posibility for scum to try to push the paranoia angle and try to lynch me as opposed to nking me in case we made it another day

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also read my last post before the flip where i explained why yos was still scum despite his claim. in the magical world where he was somehow unlynched there he was still scum and needed shooting

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hey molla pls dont ever marble out about self meta again like you did here. it hella undermined my obvtown read on you and made me want u dead. also i still dont know how anyone read matt as scum :x

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dont believe you were ever in danger of getting lynched. you had all of yos and mehdi clammoring for your blood. guess mb she mighta (did in fact) vigd you... still bro, it was bad...

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hey btw did the scum and dead qts get linked?

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molla you were a just in case poe vig, had nothing to do with your claim. woulda put the vig on ben instead and redirected you if your d2 was less lazy

honestly both your and mattps fakeclaims are so incred. obvious idk how anyone can take it seriously

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idk you and matt were super obv town so i ignored all the posts against you two

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hey btw did the scum and dead qts get linked?

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its about what i was expecting yos. thx 4 sharin it: ]

also 4got i made that post chrono pointed out,