Mini 1370: Possessed Pastors in a Paranoid Parish: Who Won?!

[AngryPidgeon]

1044. Hello pastors. Lets get this service started

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Amrun

Because this is my first game with you and I read a bunch of yours.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: KittyHat (Amrun)
VOTE: IceGuy

Gut scum read is go.

[AngryPidgeon]

God I despise rqs.

I said gut because it is a gut read and I want to be clear my vote is no longer random.

No, I didn't expect your response, I want people to wagon iceguy though

[AngryPidgeon]

@ AngryPidgeon:

why should people wagon your gut read?

Which post of his gave you this gut feeling?

That first question is just pointless. Like. I really don't know if you're scum and trying to look like you are generating discussion or if you really are that incapable of asking relevant questions, but I'm leaning scum on you.

Its a gut read. By definition, I trust my gut read. I guess I could do a shameless self plug and talk about how I carried the town in Space Mafia, if you'd really like me to explain why other people should sheep me.

And he made all of two posts between my RVS and my vote for him. Which do YOU think made me get the read? Hint: both. Super bonus question: why does it matter to you? Did you have a reason for asking that?

UNVOTE: Iceguy
VOTE: Eidolon

Eidolon wagon, gogogogo.

[AngryPidgeon]

perhaps he wanted to see where you were coming from and not think you were throwing random darts in order to try and find a target

See, the problem is that the question doesn't actually tell her that. Anyone can easily come up with a BS or arbitrary answer to it.

@ AngryPidgeon: why should people wagon your gut read? Which post of his gave you this gut feeling?

So, lets assume Eidolon is asking me for the reasoning behind my gut read. Its a completely BSable question that says nothing about me. Thats why I dislike it. It makes Eidolon look like shes doing something when its really a completely

Heres my serious answer though: seilkops's disclaimer is too paranoid and squeamish to come from scum, but it looks bad. You can't argue that it looks bad since he did get lightly-wagoned for it. I dislike the push on him, because its so easy for a scum player to make seil look bad by pressuring him and watching him continue to flail around. IceGuy was the first one to jump on him for it and I don't like it.

What I could have said: I dislike his push on Seil, it looks scummy. Also, we're being generous by interpreting his questions to mean "Justify your read".

see

this person thinks

unlike you

I dislike you. Your post reads differently than what I knew of you in 1355 though.

[AngryPidgeon]

My justification of my gut read was not note worthy to you? You said you dislike gut reads unless backed up.

[AngryPidgeon]

Gosh, I can tell the rage will be strong with me this game. I can't even bring myself to talk about seils latest post. Seil, did you even read my post 57? Because I DID explain my read. And I DID answer which post I didn't like.

[AngryPidgeon]

By latest I mean latest 3

[AngryPidgeon]

Zyrc, I do not understand your question. Im not saying people won't believe my answer. Im saying the question didn't accomplish anything. The question is filler.

Eidolon, Im done arguing the point. I already explained it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Simpler question then, AP: Why did you not say this(see previous post for "this") earlier?

See below. I DID say it before.

That first question is just pointless. Like. I really don't know if you're scum and trying to look like you are generating discussion or if you really are that incapable of asking relevant questions, but I'm leaning scum on you.

Its become apparent to me that I'm the only person that actually reads the thread. GG.

[AngryPidgeon]

MOI: I was trying to make a point. Answering the question outright causes people to say: "Well I don't see what was so difficult about answering it, hurr durr." Which happened eventually anyways. Eidolon is still worthy of votes.

[AngryPidgeon]

Eidolon- Mostly because of 44, where her apparent gut read on zyrconium feels too convenient and possibly an attempt to replicate AP-town's play, and also there are just questions of hers that I don't like (e.g. the one about AP wanting votes on his gut scum read and that question to Tierce).

AngryPidgeon- He seems to get too worked up over what people think of him and his responses about people not reading the thread/already saying stuff feels like scum frustrated at getting attacked for what they believe is bad reason.

Ok...its easy to get worked up when people

don't read your goddamn posts

and then ask you questions that they wouldn't need to if they did. As EITHER alignment.

Well you lost me as to what important point you were trying to make. And at this point I'm Ok with that.

My point was basically DeasVail's. That her question does not sound like it came from a townie.

Seil: Hiraki/MoI getting into arguments is pretty much a null tell.

What do you think of RapidCanyon’s response to a singular vote?

Let me ISO him. I really haven't seen anything of his that stood out. Most of posts have just been 100% useless, but not scummy to me.

Voted Eidolon. Says its RVS and he has no opinions yet. Repeats that its random, asks why that's suspicious. Apologizes for inactivity, considers being replaced, says he'll post more tomorrow.

Mehhhhhhh. I don't get a good read on that. I think his first response to you is at least somewhat justified. His posts have been entirely useless, but I'm not really getting a vibe either way.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, I wouldn't mind a Zyrc wagon.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya. prob towns:
Seilkops
Tierce.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why rapid canyon?

[AngryPidgeon]

117 is so dumb its melting my brain.

KittyHat is silly for agreeing with it. Empking is just wrong about 116 sounding confident. It really isn't that confident.

Re canyon: Is being defensive about random votes a scumtell?

[AngryPidgeon]

Am I the only one that doesn't get the RC case?

[AngryPidgeon]

^ what? "Well that is a town tell. But RC could be using that to his advantage to get town points (meaning hes scum!) So I guess its a null tell. But hes probably scum!"

Seil logic op. not sure if scummy or just bad post.

[AngryPidgeon]

why is your vote on me? why would you want to rush a lynch on me?

GG Scum detected.

[AngryPidgeon]

Post 86 – This is his response to the vote by me on him. He tries to steer his response to frame that I voted him for making an RVS vote when that clearly wasn’t may issue.

This is actually a pretty legit point.

P-edit: lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

I really want Eidolon today. I just reread 125. Holy cow.

And if you wanted a response from RC before passing judgment on him, why make post 125 in the first place?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, you basically just said it doesn't matter whether or not you made the post. Fine. Why make it then if it was truly irrelevant??

[AngryPidgeon]

Eidolon, why are you an easy wagon?

[AngryPidgeon]

Where did hiraki gambit?

[AngryPidgeon]

She is simply a better player

Considering she didn't realize Hiraki's incredibly sarcastic post was sarcastic at all, this says something truly deep about your skills.

I'd go for either right now, at least one of them is guaranteed to flip scum. Kinda like RC right now actually. Posts tons of BS and WIFOM about his own meta. I prefer RC after his last post.

P-edit QFT: MINIMUM one of them is scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

I actually think Eidolon is scum. She SAYS that I am town but every action she takes, she tries to make me look guilty.

^ Fake bussing. How many votes are on RC? Checking..

UNVOTE: Eidolon
VOTE: RC

L - 2.

[AngryPidgeon]

So a bodyguard claim. What is Donovan from? Need to reread later, sorry. Had a date last night :3

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: RC
VOTE: Eidolon

I'll catch up by end of today.

[AngryPidgeon]

[AngryPidgeon]

The votes on Eid are just going to produce another claim, and I don't think we want that.

This rubs me the wrong way. Weird as it is, I find people stating that claims are bad to be a scumtell. IIoA I guess.

Seil, RC's claim looks legit. Hence why people are transferring to their next scum read.

Do you agree or disagree with my solid town read on AP? Otherwise, I don't understand what you're saying. Of course I read Tierce as town, because she's been acting town. Would you have liked it more if I put her down as scum? "Safe town read" makes literally no reason. Especially considering you have not said a single thing about Tierce.
So Ice. I'd like to know. How do you feel about Tierce? Don't forget, you can't put her down as town. Much too safe!
All I'm hearing from you is that you forgot about this game, and then some useless/scummy pointing out on reads.
Why are you trying to throw suspicion on my reads, and for crappy reasons?

Ok. Why is my gut telling me this is bussing? Its distancing and its very light accusations. It seems forced.
UNVOTE: Eid
VOTE: IceGuy

Dislike IceGuy's post. Feels more like IIoA. ICeguy, do you think Seil is scum? What about Amrun and MoI?

Dislike Quilford votes right now. Pretty null on him. IceGuy I can get behind.

Not 100% sure how I feel about Eidolon after she called Hiraki's post a 'gambit'. It clearly shows that she is derping heavily. Derping as scum or town, I'm not 100%.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm not seeing your MoI read anywhere.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nor your Seil read. Admittedly I'm skimming because Im at work, but still. I dont see it. I think I saw you say KittyHat is null-town

[AngryPidgeon]

unvote: ice
Vote: seilkops

Number 1 wagon right now. Analysis when im not on my phone

[AngryPidgeon]

Fos tierce

[AngryPidgeon]

@MoI: quick response from work. Still need to catch up. Hurr, durr, AP is ignoring me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oops hit submit early:

Why exactly is moving to a new wagon bad? Seilkops is giving me bad feelings in 259 / 260

[AngryPidgeon]

UGh, posting from work. Right now I'm fine voting for either IceGuy or Seil. My gut is telling me its not Eidolon/RC at this point. I think they are derp, but not necessarily scum.

I still dislike's IceGuy's original push on Seilkops in post 27. I also love how he is accusing me of convenient reads when several other people are guilty of that as well. I just find his/Seil's interactions to be super scummy in general. I can point to specifics, but it feels a lot like intentional early distancing.

Apparently you think Seil is town for 260? 260 was actually pretty null for me, but 259 is bad. His talk about the Eidolon wagon is fluffy and seems like scum just wanting to comment on something. The whole post is fluffy.

[AngryPidgeon]

MoI: my issue with why you think 260 is town is I find that to be 100% wifom. My lack of IceGuy response and part of the train Im not playing to what you know of me is I haven't been able to invest as much time as I like to in the game yet.

On my phone, more shortly

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I'm reading through from page 8 to the end now to catch up. Note: I get reads slightly unconventionally. I like to read into tone of voice, flow of posts, and sentence structure. I can usually get a good idea if someone's posts are forced or flow well. This makes it difficult for me to read players like Seil, RC, Eidolon because I don't think along the same lines they do and their posts sound forced/scummy to me. Weird, I know, but a lot of common tells are WIFOM imo. I report a lot of gut reads.

The votes on Eid are just going to produce another claim, and I don't think we want that. Let's slow down before putting Eidolon on L1.
Why is everyone just straight transferring their votes to Eidolon?

I still really dislike this quote. Why is Seil so preemptively concerned about claims and not about scum hunting? Most of Seil's posts sound genuine to me, but I would pretty much vote for him just because of this at this point.

Do you agree or disagree with my solid town read on AP?

I'm also confused how Seil got this read.

I don't think it was good that RC had to claim to get out of L1. I'd rather scum did not know his alignment.

By alignment he obviously meant role. Not sure what the slip means.

259 continues to give me bad gut reads. Just wish I could properly express them. Ok, well heres part of it. Hes being very light-hearted, practically joking throughout the post. then he says his post reads like an essay (it doesn't) but this shows he is actively concerned about how his post sounds. He is actively trying to be warm and fuzzy in his tone, but denies it by calling his post an essay. 261 looks like an active attempt to appear town. I realize I can't back that up but it's just forced enough because it contradicts his previous tone.

I don't see the case in 263. I think RC isn't scum for that list of points. Just internally inconsistent. (But that's a scum tell AP!). Not really. Not this time. It looks poorly worded but genuine to me. Plus I have been known to prioritize games, and I've only ever rolled town here.

I dislike how Tierce continues to push RC after the wagon busted. Convenient vote park. He already claimed.

There's a lot of of cognitive dissonance there, and if he DOES flip scum, Eidolon must be killed with extreme prejudice. But I could see seilkops scum independent of Eidolon scum.

I kind of doubt this comes from scum Amrun. Gut reads, etc.

Tierce was actively posting/scumhunting

The certainty of this statement unnerves me. Also makes me think Seil/tierce isn't likely. If seil flips scum, Tierce prob-town. Sidenote: I love how Seil uses alignment and role interchangeably.

292-295 actually looks like Amrun/Seil town v towning. Gives me a stronger town read on Cat than Seal though. I could still see Seal being scum in that, but Amrun's 293 looks town.

IceCube V SuddenValley makes my eyes bleed.

Ok, so here is my updated reads list after reread/catchup:

Probably scum:
Tierce

Leaning Scum:
Zyrc slot
Seal

Not really sure:
DeasWave - Actually kinda leaning town here after reading 282.
IceCube - Gun to my head, leaning scum though.
EmpKing
Amrun - Had her in "leaning scum" but post 284 looks town to me. 293 as well.

Leaning Town:
Hiraki- officially requesting that all your posts be in the form of a haiku from now on.
Quilford
Eidolon

Prob Town:
ScuMoI
RC - upgraded to here after 296.

All things considered, I want Tierce to go right now
UNVOTE: Seal
VOTE: Tierce

And the 'lack of passion' I still find troubling. For someone who seems to have a meta of being obnoxiously loud the fact that you are so subdued just is not sitting well with me.

No excuse other than I hate to post until I have time to read the thread. Im taking a pseudo day off work today so able to do that. Im in 4 games and juggling all those reads is difficult. I was putting this one on the backburner since the others were less effort to keep current with.

Also, how is that meta working for me as town >.> <.<

[AngryPidgeon]

Double post: I'm way more confident in my town list right now than my scum list. Hiraki I'm less certain of than the others, but the rest in that list I'm pretty confident about. My scum reads are a little vague right now, not as sure about my scum list. Tierce is the strongest though and deserves a wagon.

[AngryPidgeon]

Gosh I want to vote you so bad right now.

Curious, what do you define as "solid reasoning"?

[AngryPidgeon]

Gluh. I'm aware people are expecting stuff from me, but this weekend has basically been one giant nightmare, so you'll have to wait a bit longer.

Yup, you are scum.

>.>. Activity or apologies therefore are never a scumtell.

Holy shit, deadline in 3 days??

Why I think Tierce needs a wagon:

Mainly post 263 TBH.

He is continuing to push RC despite us already getting a claim from him and abandoning the wagon. It just looks like a really convenient place to park his vote. The RC lynch is clearly not happening so Tierce should have been looking other places. Pushing him is an awesome scum tactic because he gets to look townie for "sticking to his guns and being consistent" whilst not actually contributing or doing anything that can shoot him in the foot down the line. Also, he is blatantly interpreting RC's derpness as a scumtell. Following quote is Tierce taking dumb things that RC says and passing them off as scummy inconsistencies. Its the worlds easiest case. Someone who was genuinely concerned about gettign the right person lynched is going to at least wonder if the person they are pushing was just being derp:

I am not fake-bussing. If I were fake-bussing, it still makes sense to lynch Eidolon.

Why is this still alive?

But since she is the only way defending me, it is probably a bad idea to go after her (although the choice of games she chose stick out blatantly).

Why are you afraid to die?

His responses to RC's answers to MoI's points are more of the same:
1. MoI asked why RC specifically said his vote was RVS. RC said to clarify since a lot of people weren't at the time. Tierce twists this point a little and responds by saying that RVSing at that point is a scumtell:

1. I very much dislike what's implied here. "People were voting Eidolon for non-RVS reasons, but I stuck to my RVS vote." Why would you stick to that vote instead of producing content?

In no way should that RVS vote itself be a scumtell. Contributing to wagons is content, like it or not. Tierce is pushing a BS point about the RVS vote because a lot of people have found it scummy already. No one ever bothered to call Tierce out on essentially saying here that an RVS vote is scummy.

2. MoI says "Really you couldn't bother to post here?" RC says he was defending himself in another game and it ws more interesting/imperative. Tierce then calls him out on imperative/interesting being cotnradictory:

No. You are mixing 'imperative and urgent' with 'more interesting'; I don't want you to go into details about the other game, but your phrasing doesn't add up. You're calling another game more interesting, and then saying it had urgency

There is absolutely nothing contradictory about saying the other game was more interesting AND more imperative. It could absolutely be both. Tierce is scummy as hell for pushing him on this point. Once again, Tierce already knows that people consider RC's inactivity to be scummy. He is capitalizing on that, making a bullshit easy case that looks good on the surface, and continuing to push RC for it. ITs such and easy scum tactic, accomplishes nothing, and makes RC look bad by calling attention to his posts that everyone ALREADY decided looked scummy.

3. MoI asks about RC's Tierce vote. RC says that he felt the wagon must have one scum on it and Tierce is likely scum for not explaining the vote. Then we get this gem:

3. You have not answered the question as to why you think lack of explanation in votes is scummy. Why is a lack of announced reasons scummier than what you're calling 'very minor reasons blown out of proportion'? This reads as scum caught for the wrong reasons--and

I don't have to make a case for you to defend yourself if I think you're scum.

Ok Tierce. So if I suddenly switched my vote to MoI and parked it there without ANY EXPLANATION, that wouldn't be odd to you? You wouldn't find that in the slightest bit scummy? Also, RC said he was doing this out of PoE mainly. Tierce is totally ignoring that and focusing on things that are more construable as scummy.

Tierce wagon should happen. I'm willing to compromise on Seil, IceGuy, Amrun as of right now.

[AngryPidgeon]

I see you still haven't voted me AP. Sounds like you think I'm scum, what's the hold up?

Ok, this is totally unprompted. You obviously think Im town so you aren't reaction testing me. I JUST finished laying out that Tierce is the best wagon right now but I'd be willing to compromise on others if I had to. Why the hell are you asking me to vote you??? You really, really deserve a wagon right now.

Also:
Post 316: I professed my love for reads that are normally considered gut. I listed Seil as scum.
Post 322: Seil out of nowhere decides to talk about how he doesn't like gut reads, likes solid reads in response to me.
Post 323: I am curious as to what sparked 322, so I ask him what he considers good scum indicators (since I tend to find a lot of common ones are saturated with WIFOM)

I'm a literal person, so I usually need something that I can point to and say "this is scum" or "this is town". I do have gut reads from time to time, but I don't usually rely on them in my games.
It sucks that our play styles are different, as you've stated yourself,

but you need to get over it

. We can't all play the same way.

This is a very unprompted defense. I never accused your playstyle of being scummy. I accused myself of having an unconventional method of getting reads. Now Seil is indicating that I am accusing HIM of being scum for having a different style than me. When really I was saying that my style is different than pretty much everyone elses. Seil's is defending himself from nothing. Really dislike the over-defensiveness.

[AngryPidgeon]

What is this supposed to be? A rhetorical question? You ask me a question, and I answer it. I can only assume that you are asking about play style, since my "solid reasoning" phrase is when I am talking about our play style differences.

Ya, I was going to debate with you lightly about how most common scumtells are riddles with WIFOM. I wasn't making a case on you.

AND NO IT WASN'T PROMPTED. YOU IMPLIED MY QUESTION WAS A CASE AGAINST YOU. IT WASN'T. THE FACT THAT YOU ASSUME IT WAS IS INCREDIBLY DEFENSIVE> ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT STARTED THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IN THE FIRST PLACE BY RESPONDING TO MY POST ABOUT MYSELF.

[AngryPidgeon]

He claimed bodyguard and is not going to be lynched today. As I've said, that's enough out of that slot for me for now

Tierce needs to die. She is the most likely to flip scum out of everyone here.

I did not "misrep" her. Shes shunning me off and trying to ignore me. Also the above quote is hilarious. Why did she continue to push him after the claim and the wagon busted then?

PLEASE TO BE VOTING TIERCE NOW. SHES SCUM

[AngryPidgeon]

Maemuki is scum. Post 335 amounts to no definitive reads on anyone but a townread on rapidcanyon.

Gross oversimplification of Maemuki's 335. Accuses Maemuki of not taking stances. Not really true. Maemuki made her opinions known just fine. And why the hell should she be obligated to give us super hard opinions of multiple players in a single post?

Accuses her of not voting. I can't dispute that fact, but I think its a meh scum-tell. Too much WIFOM involved for it to be reliable.

Then Maemuki said: "If you're town [Amrun], prove it." and tierce responds with

How on Earth do you expect ANYONE to prove that they are Town? This is a pile of empty posturing meant to rile up someone who is frustrated with the wagon on them. You're not even trying to figure out Amrun's alignment.

I disagree. I find the Maemuki quote to be ridiculous obviously, but not indicative of scum in any way.I don't see motivation for either alignment to post what Maemuki did. So its null. Tierce is just construing it as scummy.

Thats pretty much it. Tierce is scum or your money back. And if he flips scum then Maemuki is cleared.

[AngryPidgeon]

He claimed bodyguard and is not going to be lynched today. As I've said, that's enough out of that slot for me for now

Tierce needs to die. She is the most likely to flip scum out of everyone here.

I did not "misrep" her. Shes shunning me off and trying to ignore me. Also the above quote is hilarious. Why did she continue to push him after the claim and the wagon busted then?

PLEASE TO BE VOTING TIERCE NOW. SHES SCUM

Are you people sure you don't want to follow me on AngryPidgeon?

Subtle defending/buddying of Tierce noted.

[AngryPidgeon]

Subtle defending/buddying of Tierce noted.

More like, "Not-so-subtle attacking of main scumread AngryPidgeon for once again posting something that's very unlikely to come from town noted."

Iceguy is officially a legitimate wagon.

Tierce/IceGuy gogogo.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, Im partway through the Tierce/Mae ISO. NO We aren't voting Mae today. RC please explain to me the scum motivation behind generating a solid town read on a townie (YOU) and then pelting that person with questions????????????? Oh right, there isn't. Scum like to have a solid town read on someone. Mae is clearly not doing that.

Amrun/Mae. You should join me on this Tierce wagon. Rc, you too.

Mae's last post is town^town. I would no lynch before lynching Mae.

Gosh this Tierce wagon is lonely.

[AngryPidgeon]

@AngryPidgeon: Do you usually have such strong/confident reads?

Ask MoI.

I will not be voting Maemuki even as a compromise.

RC: SHE IS NOT BUDDYING YOU. OR LISTING YOU AS A FIRM TOWNREAD. STOP READING INTO WHAT THAT ISN'T THERE

[AngryPidgeon]

This is really awkward coming form someone who accused me of poking at a wagon with no pull. With that said, I don't think you are aligned with Maemuki.

How are these two ideas connected even remotely?

Instead of spending time showing us her reads about others, Maemuki is spending virtually all of her content on someone who is not going to get lynched today. Why do you consider that behavior a scumtell with me and not with Maemuki, AngryPidgeon? Why the double standard?

Haha, you are SO scummy. Mae's #1 read appears to be Amrun although she hasn't voted anyone yet. How is Amrun-wagon not possible?

[AngryPidgeon]

AP: I asked you a question. Answer it.

I will not be voting Maemuki even as a compromise.

[AngryPidgeon]

Between the two, I'd get behind Amrun. I don't think either is the best or 2nd best choice though.

P-edit: Ugh. There is no way she is flipping scum. Its just not going to happen. Unless shes some sort of mastermind I guarantee it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, quick note to Tierce:

Has Maemuki been pushing RC? I was under the impressions that RC was the one person she listed as town...With all the "Hurr durr, choose either Amrun or Maemuki" BS going around, I can understand why someone who is on the fence about Amrun is torn. Especially considering that she is the other consideration.

Either way, you are scum for asking me why I was using double standards.

The extreme lack of compromise you're going for here does not match partner behavior. You are giving up any chance at towncred should Maemuki flip scum, so it seems natural town behavior. I want to slap you, but that doesn't make you scum.

My lack of compromise on Maemuki? How does that have anything to do with me not liking your RC push after his claim/wagonbust?

I understand your point about me/mae team unlikely, but how is that connected to my push on you for tunneling RC post-wagon?

P-edit: We should be wagoning Iceguy over Amrun or Mae.

[AngryPidgeon]

Either way, you are scum for asking me why I was using double standards.

This is probably one of the stupidest sentences ever written in a game of Mafia.

No, she used loaded language. The intention was to see me slip up. It was scummy.

[AngryPidgeon]

P-edit: We should be wagoning Iceguy over Amrun or Mae.

Then do a better job of making a "Iceguy is scum" case. And given that you are voting Tierce and not Iceguy I find this rather off-putting.

Q fing Q. Tierce is my best scum read at the moment, IceGuy is 2nd. Iceguy has more general support though so fine.

UNVOTE: Tierce
VOTE: IceGuy

[AngryPidgeon]

but you can't deny she spent a lot more apparent time on her gut townread that won't be lynched today than on her other weak or 'meh' reads.

Agree, but I don't find that scummy. Here is the thing. Do you believe YOU did the same thing that Mae is doing? If yes, why do you have town read on RC despite not telling us about it? If no, why are accusing me of double standards again?

Why does Mae's behavior sound town to me? Because there is no focus. If she were scum, she'd just make an easy case or commit more heavily to the Amrun wagon and move on. Her lack of direction today makes her genuine, even if its means she hasn't been useful.

[AngryPidgeon]

Since IDK when you'll be aroundto answer that let me make my awesome Tierce case for everyone:

Tierce tunnel-pushed RC after his wagon busted.
Maemuki listed RC as a town read but then focused on him with questions.

Tierce accused me of having double standards. By doing so, Tierce is saying that both she and Maemuki pushed RC under the same circumstances. This is clearly untrue. So either Tierce has some sort of townread on RC whilst pushing him and calling him scum or her accusation of me for using 'double standards' is BS. Her choice. Either way she is scum.

If its the former, then she is admitting to pushing RC in the same way that Maemuki did (which she won't admit to because she is calling Mae's push on RC scummy). If its the latter, then she knows that her push on RC is different than Mae's and her accusation of me for having double standards is BS and clearly an attempt to discredit me.

Tierce is the most deserving of votes. I can't wait to see you respond to this one.

[AngryPidgeon]

“must be Amrun or Maem” dogma here.

IceGuy (1): seilkops
seilkops (1): Amrun
Eidolon (1): Hiraki
Empking (1): Quilford
AngryPidgeon (1): IceGuy
Tierce (1): AngryPidgeon
Not Voting (2): Maemuki, Eidolon

Hi! If you are Town listed here you are doing it wrong and need to stop. Grow an actual wagon as opposed to parking your vote uselessly (or worse, not voting).

Ok, MoI. You do realize the only 2 wagons you said its ok to be on are Amrun and Maemuki in the above quote.

[AngryPidgeon]

And my point was that you accused me and Maemuki of doing something that amounts to the same thing--prod overmuch at someone who is not going to be lynched today.

Where did I accuse Maemuki of that? Oh wait, I didn't.

[AngryPidgeon]

Look, the circumstances are 100% different. Maemuki is lobbing questions at her biggest townread. YOU, on the other hand, were aggressively pushing scum-read RC. How is that comparable?

P-edit: ok. It was worded poorly IMO, but fine.

P-P-edit: Still the phrasing he used was poor, but I don't think MoI is scum or more scummy for it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because Tierce is scum. Shes trying to pass it off like she wanted to get me on Maemuki, but her previous posts suggest otherwise.

[AngryPidgeon]

Caught up. I actually really like Tierce's case on Deaswave even if she was mostly speculating about the Amrun wagon. I also pretty much agree about Amrun being a pretty meh wagon.

Tierce, what do you think about IceGuy? Sorry if I've just missed it. Ugh Eidolon, you should hop on IceGuy with me.

[AngryPidgeon]

I dislike activity as a reason to lynch someone. Its really not a good tell. At all. You should all feel bad for thinking it is. And stop talking about Quilford. If we were lacking in scummy targets, then I could understand going for him. Fortunately for us, there are plenty of scummies around. MoI's quilford suspicions are especially bad.

I really don't want to lynch Amrun. Her back and forth with DW seems town getting upset to me. Not sure how I feel about DW. Null leaning scum I guess.

MoI's Eidolon suspicions are bad. That quote really isn't scummy. Eidolon seems genuinely torn. I don't see scum Eidolon making that post at all. Sorry MoI, looks like we get to have polar opposite opinions in every game we play together.

[AngryPidgeon]

Eidolon, your reasoning for Tierce town is bad. Why would scum tierce hop on the Amrun wagon? Because its convenient? I don't expect scum players to announce they are scum in the thread so I also don't expect them to hop on the leading town wagon just because.

P-edit: Ugh, Maemuki votes....

I'll make a nice wall post about Iceguy after work...At this point I think the following players are probably town:
Amrun, Eidolon, RC, MoI, Hiraki, Maemuki.

[AngryPidgeon]

No, MoI is just a windbag who pushes people for cookie cutter reasons that almost never hold up.

[AngryPidgeon]

FWIW RC: I don't think MoI always acts this way. Well, on the surface he does. Hes still abrasive, aggressive, and authoritative. But I really don't think hes scum this game.

I kind of like Hiraki's Eidolon case..I'm goingto read that ISO. Eidolon kind of dropped off my charts ever since the "Hiraki is gambitting" statement. I listed her as leaning-town and hard to read.

[AngryPidgeon]

My IceGuy case. SEIL GET BACK OVER HERE.

27 is jumping on Seil for something not actually scummy. IceGuy is wagoning Seil up right after RVS just for showing signs of being a nervous player. This makes Seil really framable and IceGuy really scummy for 27.
31 is more of the same.

Why were you so weary of that?

Asking a question that makes Seil look bad regardless of how he answers it.

If MoI is scum I'll tell you soon enough. You'll just have to listen to me and lynch him

instead of me.

Last bit concerns me a little bit. Not sure why IceGuy is talking about his super MoI scumdar just to segway into talking about himself getting lynched. IceGuy doesn't even have a single vote on him at the time so the bolded concerns me. Hes linking himself with MoI.

AngryPidgeon's reads seem convenient, both the early Zyrc scum read and the sellkops (wagon was dying down) and Tierce (safe town read) town reads. Same goes for sellkops' reads, except for the "solid town" read on AngryPidgeon.

Eidolon is town.

I don't get the case on Quilford, "fairly certain" and "kind of confident" don't read like a contradiction.

rapidcanyon is my top suspect for reasons outlined in others' posts. VOTE: rapidcanyon

His catchup post here is a very easy and unprovable case on me. Really hes just saying he has a gut read on me but is avoiding using that term to look like hes scum hunting. Then he criticizes Seilkops for the same logic. Makes ANOTHER unsupported statement about Eidolon town. Then he sheeps onto the RC wagon despite only having given reasons for me and Seil being scum.

the next day in post 241 he votes me without providing any reason whatsoever and instead responds to choice quotes (of Seil's / RC's posts I think).

I don't, for sure. It's a town read, not conftown.

Called out on his Eidolon town read. ICeGuy responds with this. Still no justification and he isn't even willing to call it a gut read.

To ask a question similar to above, a scum read for you is a player you disagree on a town read with?

This is hilarious because IceGuy keeps saying that any town-read on me is certainly not a convenient read (because IceGuy is sure I am scum). So he is also basing his opinion of other players off of how their reads align with his. Even if in a different manner.

His following quote walls don't really provide any useful content. Hes just stirring crap up with RC/Eid/Seilkops and asking pointless questions. Hes trying to look like an overzealous and annoyed townie, but its fake.

Then his vote is parked on me for a solid week. He barely even acknowledges my existence in that week.


Then we get this exchange:

I will not be voting Maemuki even as a compromise.

Assume it is exactly one minute before the deadline and Maemuki is the only player on L-1. What do you do?

AP: I asked you a question. Answer it.

AP: I asked you a question. Answer it.

I will not be voting Maemuki even as a compromise.

And then IceGuy doesn't follow up on my answer. So he:
1. Asked me a question I had already pretty clearly answered.
2. Got upset when I didn't answer it.
3. Failed to follow up on it at all after I gave him a snooty answer. I mean really? He had NOTHING to say about it after demanding I respond?

My top scumread saying my vote is bad. I can live with that.

Trying to look like a townie laden with confirmation bias here. IceGuy isn't so dumb as to actually believe this is a reason to think Maemuki is prob-scum. Doesn't even remotely care to see if there is a me/Maemuki connection either to back up this statement.

TL;DR: IceGuy is not providing reasoning for his scum reads and is sheeping onto other cases instead. He is trying to look town by QQing and walling up the thread with Seil/RC. He is not actually scum hunting, but is asking trivial questions and squabbling with townies to look like hes doing something.

[AngryPidgeon]

IceGuys defense is worthy of votes.

[AngryPidgeon]

You did enough handwaving for the both of us in 517.

[AngryPidgeon]

Funny thing is I kind of feel the same way about Eidolon. On the surface she looks scummy, but I'm having trouble convincing myself she isn't just a misguided townie.

[AngryPidgeon]

Looks like were on PST (my time zone woooo) so we have 21ish hours. I'll swing my vote to Amrun tonight before I go to sleep if she is leading. Won't do the same for Mae.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think you guys should stop voting for obvtowns

[AngryPidgeon]

^ What? A claim is kinda not a bad idea at this point.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh, Tierce is SO scummy. Unfortunately I am the scum-whisperer and evidently the only one capable of seeing through the quote walls, the hoopla, the BS, the lies, and the matrix into her true self. Tierce you are really good at this, I'll give you that.

[AngryPidgeon]

Double post: DeasWave speed wagon would be pretty sexy. Any takers??? Bleh, we only have 12 hours..

[AngryPidgeon]

LOL CAN WE PLEASE KILL DEASWAVE. The scum team is Amrun/Eidolon/Maemuki...............

Could you fail any more at trying to look town? Holy cow. But seriously nice wagon analysis. Totally legit and town motivated LOL.

And no, why would I care about Maemuki's imminent townflip? Its going to make you look bad for sheeping onto the wagon.

And yes I'm totally busting my balls to find a last minute counterwagon for Maemuki. Because that's a totally legit scum tactic right now.

[AngryPidgeon]

You know your case is shit when all you have to rely on is sarcasm.

~ DW

You know your defense is shit when you dismiss my case for having sarcasm in it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Just read MoI's post:

If you think that Tierce was reaction testing Amrun, you're doing it wrong. Just sayin'. Amrun gave her a nice out and she latched onto that.

[AngryPidgeon]

How about the fact that you are sheeping onto the Maemuki wagon and providing zero reasoning for believing she may be scum. You're reasoning is essentially that you liked Tierce's case.

Proposing that you found the scumteam out of nowhere is BS. Some players are full of air a lot of the time (like me) and I could understand that coming from them (WEEE DOUBLE STANDARDS). But its such an uncharacteristic statement from you that it reads like a scum player looking for town cred by making silly townie statements.

The fact that you are analyzing how the wagons formed at all is ridiculous. If you really think you have such solid reads on everyone forming those wagons at this point in the game that you can judge the alignment of the target of those wagons, then you are beyond help. "But AP I wasn't doing that!" Yes you were. You should be ISOing Mae and Ice...not the vote counts. It really doesn't make sense for a town player to do that.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vanity wagons, if any exist right now, should definitely not be happening right now. Save it for D2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nXpVl9l43A#t=0m42s

Could FoxWave be ANY scummier? Wow.

Wagon up ice guy everyone we can do it! IceGuy for president!

[AngryPidgeon]

Updated Unofficial VC (based on Rapids which I didn’t check) –

Maemuki (6): Tierce, rapidcanyon, IceGuy, Eidolon, Amrun, DeasWave
IceGuy (4): seilkops, AngryPidgeon, Empking, MoI

Eidolon (1): Hiraki
Empking (1): Quilford
Not Voting (1): Maemuki

updated

[AngryPidgeon]

I called Maemuke scum because I thought that Amrun was protecting her with the IceGuy vote while simultaneously bussing her.

Wait wtf? I never voted IceGuy.

A little annoyed that neither of the lynch candidates ever checked in.

I just checked. She's right her vote was never on IceGuy.

But the real question is...Why didn't Amrun notice this in post 577 when she was debating with DW? It took her 12 hours to remember that she never voted IceGuy??? FoS Amrun?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im flying to ireland so LA for a day or so.

initial suspicion is DW/eidolon. At airport right now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mae scum flip makes tierce obvtown.

Also solidifies my MoI town read.

Also agree that rc is prob town due to mae interactions

[AngryPidgeon]

I would prefer to lynch on the mae wagon. I think at least one was bussing and tierce/moi are probtown.

My only concern is the iceguy kill could be a setup to encourage lynching on the wagon. That quilford vote is awful.

Also FoS amrun.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Amrun.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't think quilford or hiraki are great wagons right now. I could get behind empking potentially.

Amrun is most probable scum. She instantly recalled zyrc Vs iceguy interactions but it took her 12 hours to remember she never voted iceguy?? Scuuuuum.
pedit: dont quite follow empkings point.

Ppedit: Eidolon wagon anyone? I want to iso her first actually. I mean interacting with zyrc is hardly a towntell..

Pppedit: definitely need to joint iso those 2

[AngryPidgeon]

Moi do you think amrun is town?

Eidolon, it really gives me chills when you bring up your zyrc interactions and say you had no motivation to bus.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cool so im 5 posts into the Eid iso
VOTE: Eidolon

For bussing zyrc lightly but keeping attention on other things

[AngryPidgeon]

Eidolon, I know what you are saying. No need to repeat yourself.

About to get on plane, can't say much. Eid is scum. She focused on zyrc lightly then jumped to other nice wagons. Scum eid = town amrun. She kept directing noise to other areas while voting zyrc. Its scummy. Especially her preemptive defense today by saying she voted hin early on.

Pedit: 69 is noise, no pressure. 71 is light pressure without commitment and emphasis that reasons are your own. 99 is more awesome lack of commitment.

I nees to read last quote in context, but its noise directing onto amrun/dw while providing light support for an impossible wagon at thetime (iirc).

The only town thing I see here is thst you have faith in the townieness of those quotes

[AngryPidgeon]

Is it in twilight? Just got to my hotel in Dublin. Holy Shit this thread exploded. I'll comment if I can catch up before lock.

[AngryPidgeon]

Re Moi/Quilford/Tierce: Holy fuck stop acting like high schoolers.

Re RC: Just protect someone and crumb it.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm pretty certain that the last scum is going to be either Eidolon or Amrun.

I dont think its Amrun. I think its Eidolon...And if not her then MAYBE Seil. Im pretty sure the following are town anyways:
Tierce
MoI
Amrun
Quilford
Hiraki
RC

Which leaves you, Eid, Seil. Eid is hte most probable scum of those. I really need to reread all 3 ISO though.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'll do those ISOs and make a case for the most scummy person after the Empking flip in case it isn't scum (but I mean really it has to be). RC jumped off the deep end, Im 99.9% confident in him being town.

I'm not seeing MoI scum. Yes hes aggressive and a douchebag. Much like me except we have some differences. I respect his play style though and I don't see any reason to suspect he is scum right now.

RC: Would you knowing Eidolon's meta encourage her to switch it up?

Agree with Tierce on the Amrun/MoI weirdness. Given that they both aren't scum and both seem able to clear each other I'm cool with it for now. Seilkops/Eidolon/DW. Guaranteed last scum in there. I kinda don't think its Seil because of his snippet about being upset that IceGuy flipped town. I've actually lost sleep over being wrong before. (Fortunately Mae wasn't one of those times for me).

Eidolon: Her Zyrc case was never really going very far and it looks an awful lot like bussing. I really need to read the ISO to get a good feel for it in its entirety. Fact of the matter is she kept lightly FoSing Zyrc a lot just to end up going for Amrun and someone else (DW?). Then she finally moved her vote back after Tierce did serious case making.

DW: His wagon spec is ehhhhh. Heavily dislike his Amrun push. Need to reread ISO.

More tomorrow morning when its not

4am

12 noon. UGh.

[AngryPidgeon]

WHY THE HELL DID PEOPLE SUSPECT HIRAKI. HE WAS SO TOWN. UGH.

So Quilford and Tierce are pretty obvtown. I know I am. Leaves:
MoI, Amrun, DeasWave, Eidolon, Seilkops

I need to do some rereading, but right now I'd say the only legit wagons are DW and Eidolon.

[AngryPidgeon]

I half think a mass claim is a decent idea right now

[AngryPidgeon]

Get it?? MASS claim. Mass. Pastors. ok. If at least 2 other people agree, I'll go first.

[AngryPidgeon]

Did Amrun express suspicion for Hiraki?

[AngryPidgeon]

They key part of that being 2 claimed PRs already.

[AngryPidgeon]

And you aren't worried about being targeted?

[AngryPidgeon]

Soooo how do you want? Amrun or Seil?

[AngryPidgeon]

ap, why is tierce obvtown? is it not possible that she was the one bussing her partner?

Oh, so there was definitely someone bussing Mae then?

[AngryPidgeon]

Do you really think Quilford could bus his last buddy on D2 and expect to win?

[AngryPidgeon]

You list me as possible scum (which is funny since I’m more or less confirmed for my demonstrated ability to give Amrun a Nightkill) so clearly you don’t think scum would be shooting me. Why bother to ask this question?

I listed you among all the remaining players subtracting Quil and Tierce since they are pretty obv-town. I really don't think its you or Amrun, but it *could* be. I'm pretty sure its Seil/Eid/DW.

Weekend is coming up, I'll have time to ISO all of these scummies.

Um. Whut? You spent yesterday talking about how your interactions with Zyrc made you Town. How can you realistically question the Obv-Town read on Tierce from someone given that Tierce drove that wagon on Mae home? Her interactions are far and away stronger alignment indicative than yours.

Post 768 strengthens my eidolon scumread.

VOTE: Eidolon

This is the best bet today.

[AngryPidgeon]

what? Why do you say that about quilford but vote me?

Because the circumstances are hugely different.

I need to ISO Seil. His general inactivity is making me forget about him.

[AngryPidgeon]

Your vote on Zyrconium was inconsequential, it was not 'pressure'

This. Also if Quilford is bussing then his claim is super testable and will ultimately come back to bite him. That is the difference.

[AngryPidgeon]

MMmmmkkkkk. Eidolon or Seil.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: Eidolon

I...kind of like that vote after a Seil skim..

Let me look at it a little more.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya this is a good wagon. His ISO shows lots of evidence of interactions without much scum hunting. He references past games a lot which is an easy way to appear to be doing something without really making stances.

Also clear evidence of faking feelings. He says things but his tone of voice and actions don't really match with that.

Listed Empking and Zyrc as both null. Unsure what to make of that.

The votes on Eid are just going to produce another claim, and I don't think we want that.

One of my fav scum tells.

post 501 is interesting. He is on the IceGuy wagon with me. He almost never mentions Empking/Maemuki at all.

VOTE: Seilkops

[AngryPidgeon]

Seilkops delivered a lot of content and took some strong stands D1

What game are you playing?

@AP: What do you think of Tierce currently?

VOTE: seilkops

Prob-town. I just can't see scum Tierce bussing so hard D1. Its possible, just unlikely. I don't want to look at her at all right now.

Oh, lol. Well I answered it anyways.

Eidolon's latest wall looks town. I felt the same about a lot of those Seil posts. Looking at 95...Hmmmm. Ya I'd be more comfortable with a DW wagon than Eidolon I think. But those are lower tier wagons when compared to

scum

seilkops.

I had gut on deas most of the game but for some reason its switched to seilkops today.

This is because Seil is lurking like a champ under everyones radar.

Ehhh. His interaction with seil is kinda random? This I think gives more points towards seil scum, although any analysis of scum has a lot of wifom involved.

Based on your abridged version of his ISO I'd agree. Asking Seil why Im fed up town over fed up scum is pretty scummy.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm seriously considering claiming to get this bullshit wagon off me.

Soooo, this statement. Seil just soft claimed a PR I suppose. We have a claimed inventor and tracker and 2 flipped goons. That means there may not even be another town PR. Since you already soft claimed, go all the way. OOPS, forgot about RC being a PR. Now I doubt this soft claim even more.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol, that movie. Ok, well I need to sleep on that claim then. I guess we don't know if scum have safe claims since Maemuki/Empking never name claimed? I could see Seil's claimed character being scummy regardless, from what I recall of the movie. Not sure.

(Not quoting posts is a common scum tell, as players are less likely to actually go back and double check the validity).

Is AP conf town? Cause if he isn't, he might be scum for hopping on such a hole filled wagon.

This seems off to me. What, you can't come to your own opinion of me? Either Im conf-town or Im sketchy for being on the wagon?

Are you up to date on reading? Thoughts on DeasWave?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why did you think claiming would get the wagon off you? Why did you say this?

I hope you are thinking the same thing I am.

[AngryPidgeon]

ITT:

Seil is scum.
Everyone else is a VI.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't know if you're using Eidolon as a way to accomplish this

How am I using Eidolon to accomplish this?

[AngryPidgeon]

I want to know why the tunneling.

Did I not push Eidolon really hard earlier??

[AngryPidgeon]

Sorry, I had no idea who my person was. I wiki'd the name, saw it came from the film Dogma, and basically left it at that. I thought the name would be enough to prove I was town.

Vote it up people, this isn't rocket science.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why is your name claim enough to stop the wagon on you.

[AngryPidgeon]

Quilford ===============[]

[AngryPidgeon]

3 scum in 3 days? Go us?

[AngryPidgeon]

I really think it is. MoI / Quil have legit claims. Tierce is obvtown. Eid and DW just dont seem like they are right now. Could be Amrun maybe, but Seil is just so scummy.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh, I hate having to wait for flips.

[AngryPidgeon]

Amrun, are you town?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im flying home most of today, will post this weekend. Someone remind me why Amrun is so obvtown? MoI what did you do last night?

[AngryPidgeon]

Also @ eid, dw: Im claiming now: VT. Pastor skip from Saved! I haven't seen the movie.

[AngryPidgeon]

I haven't been putting enough effort in (out of country, etc). I think eid or amrun is the last scum. Im going to reread the thread carefully tomorrow.

[AngryPidgeon]

Sigh. So confirmation bias.

[AngryPidgeon]

Id honestly say you are scummy for that last post, but your claim makes sense right now. Someone please tell me why its not amrun, because it most likely is.

[AngryPidgeon]

Triple post: no access for rest of day probably. Plane departing.

[AngryPidgeon]

Phone low battery. Dw and eid pushing me probably doesnt come from scum. Esp eid.

[AngryPidgeon]

Taking transit home. Gonna be a bit. Im actually moderately certain it aint Eid. MoI listed me and Seil as his top 2 Yesterday. Then DW posted about wanting to wagon me. I don't see scum Eid posting right after him to also voice support for the wagon. I was the main person posing her (2?) Days ago. Scum Eid is setting herself up for sheep accusations and a big OMGUS from me (which I think she would expect). I really dont see her risking getting into a firefight with me so early as scum Today. Im pretty confident about that actually.

DW...idk. Im not going anywhere until I at least full iso dw and amrun alongside mae and emp.

[AngryPidgeon]

Posing was FoSing. Swype auto corrected

[AngryPidgeon]

Curious, why is Eid so obvtown to you Amrun?

DW, who is your 2nd biggest read?

We have 6 players, 2 lynches. The way I see it is one of me, eid, amrun DW dies. MoI is probably nkd for being last known pr. We enter mylo and no lynch. Tierce is nkd. Lylo is then 3 of <me, eid, dw, amrun>. Itll be that minus who is lynched (unless we hit scum obv). At this point I think we should massclaim. Especially if there are unclaimed prs.

MoI, Im unfamiliar with inventor roles. Seeing as how youre prob dead tonight, spill any info that will help. (Hurr ap is role fishing).

[AngryPidgeon]

Ill check for that in the ISO. I think I may have been giving DW too much town cred for wifomy things recently.

[AngryPidgeon]

W/e.. Her zyrc back and forth does. I didn't get to her/mae interactions. Below quote stuck out from the iso.

Also I like how you pretty much ignore us until we point a finger at you, after which you start trying to get people to back you up. Let's see you stick this in your pipe and smoke it:

... WHAT? Of course I ignored you until recently; you didn't post JACK SHIT until recently, and even now, you haven't posted much.

And what do you mean getting people to back me up? Like, seriously, WHAT?

oh ho ho nice manufactured anger and surprise. i rate it 7 out of 10.

LET'S CUT TO THE VIDEO TAPE AMRUN:

WHY? You need more than settling on hydra dissonance to fence-sit on the biggest wagon. Then later, you bring up new suspicions in the most lazy and scummy way - anyone down for this? I can't decide if this is outrageously scummy or outrageously lazy.

So you can't decide if it's scummy or lazy but you're fishing for people who are "down for this." TRANSLATION: "I'm not sure if I can push your lynch so I'll just float something out there while staying noncommittal to see if anyone bites." WHERE'S THE

BEEF

TOWN MOTIVATION AMRUN? Going on a fishing expedition for votes on someone who you haven't addressed until they attacked you WHILE REMAINING WISHY-WASHY ON IT is ridiculous.

I hope you like the taste of rope because you're eating it today

~ DW

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, Im up to the point where he voted Seil yesterday.

Tbh.. Its probably DW. I suck at hydras but basically he called Amrun scum all D1. He called Mae scum because she and Amrun were an obv scum team and that his Amrun scumread influenced his Mae read. D2 was really just Quil claiming. D3, he no longer cares that Mae was scum because Amrun is. No longer interested in Amrun after hardcore tunneling and predicting of the Mae/Amrun team??

Pedit: its just a really easy case with a dash of "look how town my emotions make me look"

[AngryPidgeon]

Comment on my point? He said his mae scum read was based off his scum read on you. Mae flips scum. He stops taking about you.

[AngryPidgeon]

He picked mae over IG. And ya his Mae read was based on you.

[AngryPidgeon]

@MoI: I usually like reading into shit like that, but I found the response pretty null.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mainly because it seems like Amrun was voting me more out of anger about my early push than anything else.

You imply that Amrun's OMGUS was the main scummy thing about her, but we also have this:

Main scummy things about Amrun:

-I just get the feeling from her early posts that she's

trying to sound exaggerated and angry and town

, rather than it being natural.
-End of 284

(expressing strong townread on Tierce) seems really unnecessary

and like an attempt to look town, especially considering how her stance was not so strong a little later.
-Last paragraph of 378 sounds again like scum

trying to look like town, with the whole "after I flip" thing

, instead of saying "don't lynch me, lynch _!"

[AngryPidgeon]

Its important because I don't see why you dropped your Amrun scum read like a hot potato. Especially after predicting a mae/amrun team and having mae flip red.

You said you reconsidered yourb opinion that amrun was defending mae, but what about the million of other reasons you said she was scum for?

[AngryPidgeon]

And if the word hydra is in your next post then you deserve a pl anyways.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, is this your main reason of suspecting deas? is he your top scumread?

Why are you asking this question? What does it tell you?

Ugh, Im way too sleepy to process Eid's post here. I really can't get much out of it.

Deas, serious question: do you think the Maemuki wagon was all town? Oh Eid just asked that.

To me the

most logical thing for a scum team is to have one person on the wagon and one person off.

I'm really not sure if this theory is backed by any statistical analysis, but

it makes sense to me that both empking and AP would not choose to be off of mae's wagon.

Huh? I think your wording is just funny here. I think you are saying you think at least one buddy would bus?

DW, what if I told you that I am town? WIFOM, etc. But seriously I am.

Lol, I was looking back to see what posts of mine you are talking about. Those Tierce strips in my posts make me think she could have been scum and bussing once more. Weeee. You are all so scummy this game its absurd. So am I though, so go us. I will ask you to seriously consider my D1 Tierce bashing / Mae defending DW. WIFOM, but would I really do that as scum? I've rolled scum once ever and that is an offsite game going on right now. I guarantee you I don't have that big of balls.

Oh, I figured out what made me so confused about your post: in post 430 I was saying there is no way Mae would flip scum. Not Amrun. I honestly didn't even need to check the context, I was definitely talking about Mae.

[AngryPidgeon]

@Eid: please answer my question before reading this, but right now my gut is telling me le scum is

Spoiler:

amrun

Lolz, I happen to know with 100% certainty that whoever the last scum is bussed Maemuki in some form. But I only need to know my alignment to know that.

I want a chance to read ALL of D1 in order again tomorrow.

But right now I really need to

Spoiler:

sleep

[AngryPidgeon]

Screw sleep, am I right?

rapidcanyon

(6):

MagnaofIllusion,

Amrun,

Tierce

,

seilkops, AngryPidgeon, IceGuy

Eidolon (2): DeasWave,

Hiraki

Zyrconium

(1): Eidolon

Quilford

(1):

Empking

Amrun (1):

Zyrconium

Note he was AFK parking this vote for a long time before being replaced.

Empking

(1):

Quilford

Not Voting (1):

rapidcanyon

I find it improbable this was all town. Lemme do some fancy color coding.

Throwing these out here as a reminder. But seriously sleep now.

The Book of Vote Counts, Chapter One, Verse Eleven

Maemuki (4): Tierce, rapidcanyon, IceGuy, Eidolon
Amrun (3): DeasWave, MagnaofIllusion, Empking
IceGuy (2): seilkops, AngryPidgeon
DeasWave (1): Amrun

The Book of Vote Counts, Chapter One, Verse Twelve

Maemuki (7): Tierce, IceGuy, Eidolon, Amrun, rapidcanyon, DeasWave, MagnaofIllusion

IceGuy (3): AngryPidgeon, seilkops, Empking

[AngryPidgeon]

I was ISOing him and it boiled down to:

Amrun is scum. Amrun is scum. More Amrun votes. Ok, maybe Maemuki is scum but mostly because Amrun is her buddy. Ok, the Mae wagon is better than IceGuy. Votes Mae.

Then after D1 we get him saying that he rarely retracts reads but you were a special case. Then he pretty much ignores Amrun with no reasoning behind it; just stops mentioning her to push Seil D3.

[AngryPidgeon]

Let me look at that specifically. I don't know if Amrun was the counterwagon to Mae really. The reason the last 2 VCs caught my attention was the fact that IG was behind Amrun in votes, butended up being the CW somehow. Also Empking ended up there as opposed to on Amrun. I need to read it all in context tho.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well it seems we are on the same page about that. I too would like to hear from MoI and Tierce. Im pretty certain in them being town, but you never know. MoI almost has to though. If there is a PR out there they should claim now. Because if there is none, MoI has to be town. God 8 hour timezone difference hitting me harder than d like. Ive been unable to focus all day.

DW is probably town? At Eid: Wait, so my suspecting of DW for reason X seems suspicious to you, but it doesn't matter because I'm leaning Amrun? How does that matter?

Dis game. Seriously though DW, you are voting town right now. If you are scum, vote accordingly, but get the hell off of me either way.

Gonna try and work my way through D1 now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually, I think it might be DW...I find it odd that a townie would read this:

Between the two, I'd get behind Amrun. I don't think either is the best or 2nd best choice though.

P-edit: Ugh. There is no way she is flipping scum. Its just not going to happen. Unless shes some sort of mastermind I guarantee it.

And decide not to click the post to see the context of my P-edit. I mean really...You could just be lazy, but wat?

[AngryPidgeon]

^ that's a wagon i could possibly get behind but for a different reason.

zyrconium, what did you find off about teirce's post 35?

Eid, what was your reason for thinking Zyrc was scummy here.

[AngryPidgeon]

DW, what if I told you that the scum is Eidolon?

[AngryPidgeon]

FTR, you are now misinterpreting me. I am saying you made a careless mistake, not some retarded misrep. The mistake is because you are being lazy. Thats really pretty null now that I think about it.

But more to the point, Eidolon is scum. Look at her/Tierce/zyrc ISO from beginning of D1. Also look at where Empking's attention is going around that time. Vote counts are also pretty telling.

I scribbled down a big summary of the situation, but haven't 100% parsed it yet. Off the top of my head, one of the scummiest things is Eid accusing Zyrc of buddying her. I need to read the pages during the time that Eid's vote was on Amrun. She switched to Mae after that, putting vote 4 on (after Tierce, RC, IceGuy) who are all probably town.

VOTE: Eid

[AngryPidgeon]

See MoI this is why we will fundamentally disagree on what things are scummy. What is scummy about me giving town points to Eidolon and then asking Amrun about her Eidolon read? Nothing. Right. Eid is scum though; the D1 reread was pretty convincing.

MoI, you dont seem to understand that you are the biggest target Tonight since you are the last claimed PR and most prob-town. If you have any info that can clear someone then please let us have it. Thats all Im asking.

I honestly think its Eidolon right now. I'll try and a make a formal case today, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I agree that the VCs make Amrun look town. I also don't see DW joining the Maemuki wagon the way he did as scum as its a pretty horrible fence-sit way to do it (as if hes choosing the lesser of two evils). I don't see scum posting the IG V Maemuki analysis that he did because it is putting all responsibility for the vote away from him; why not go for some cred at least if he knows the flip?

Here is a quick summary of what happened early D1:

Eid: I agree with IG; seil's RVS justification is scummy
Tierce: Unvote MoI, Vote Eidolon
Zyrc: Tierces vote flop is suspect
Eid: Seil why not just RVS someone else and avoid disclaimer
Eid: My gut says Zyrc is scummy

(maybe for buddying me)

Tierce: Someone accusing Seil {MoI, IG, Eid} is scummy and its Eid by PoE.

Hes an easy lynch

and his disclaimer is silly; your vote is unnecessary
Eid: Why is my vote unnecessary;

I didnt know he was an easy lynch.

I think his reasoning is bad.

(Note his reasoning was that he didn't want to be accused of not RVSing)
Tierce: Silly != scummy. Town looks for motives, not behaviors
Eid: Tierce's phrasing is to discredit my vote (NOTE THAT THIS IS HEAVILY IMPLIED BUT NOT OUTRIGHT SAID). Why is Seil not scummy?
Eid: AP, you aren't scummy, but why is my question pointless? (Question was: what is behind my gut read on IG). Zyrc, what do you think of AP?
<IG votes Zyrc>
Eid:

I want to vote zyrc, but for different reasons.

Zyrc, why is Tierce's vote flop scummy?
Zyrc: derp.
Eid: Tierce is reaction testing and

Zyrc is trying to dissuade that.

I may vote zyrc later.

Tierce: Why ask AP about his gut reasons, but not provide yours?
Eid:

Seil is overjustifying his vote.

Notes:

Eid originally says that Zyc FoSing Tierce is to buddy Eidolon. (Presumably because Tierce is voting Eidolon, and Zyrc is siding with Eid by Fosing the vote). Note that later Eid says that Tierce is reaction testing and Zyrc is trying to stop her from doing that. Why would Zyrc try and stop Tierce from reaction testing Eid? How is this the same thing as buddying?

Eidolon originally says Seil's reasoning is flawed (therefore scummy) but later says hes just overjustifying his vote. What is possibly flawed about Seil's reasoning? Its an RVS vote.

Keeps expressing an interest In Zyrconium whilst having a mostly pointless back and forth with Tierce about Seil. Willing to wagon Seil right away, but when IG votes Zyrc we get a "Ya Zyrc is still scummy, but I dont want to vote him just yet"

Half apologizing for voting him for being easy.

I also dislike her interactions with RC wagon taking off at the time. She definitely says that his inactivity is scummy, but then takes it back and says its independent of alignment.

[AngryPidgeon]

And since either DerpW or ScuMoI is going to say it: "Hurrrr AP's case is so fake, hes just construing stuff"

But seriously, get over yourselve and vote Eid. Shes scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh, a couple more things. After IG votes Zyrc Eidolon asserts that she wants to vote him but for "different reasons". IG barely said at all why he was voting Zyrc. Eidolon is trying to get early cred for this bus by explicitly saying she has her own reasons for wanting it.

Note that Eidolon isn't scumhunting Tierce at all (not that that is scummy by itself), but her interactions with Tierce are lightly OMGUS. "Why is my vote unnecessary" is a really odd question to ask instead of explaining why Seil's vote is scummy or asking something like "Why is Seil's vote townie?" I realize this may seem small, but the semantics are really important. It really shows that she isn't interested in understanding Seil's motives or FoSing Tierce.

P-edit: When did I say you are scum? Im calling you an idiot.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh lol. That was just me being funny. Read as unfunny. You'll notice I like to do that.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mae's interactions with Amrun look town.

[AngryPidgeon]

ITT Eidolon pretends scum never bus.

[AngryPidgeon]

Was MoI open to voting Ice? Checking...

[AngryPidgeon]

Quil flipped Tracker
RC flipped Bodyguard
MoI claimed some sort of inventor.
Tahts it.

And MoI had his vote on IG at one point, so ya I'd say DW vote was clutch enough.

[AngryPidgeon]

Amrun, I see you lurking. You should move your vote to scum in this topic.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh, ok I'll actually finish reading D1 before tonight. Its so fing hot here, I just want to sit outside.

[AngryPidgeon]

ITT:

Activity

But seriously, Im goingto finish that reread of D1 today. I want to point out though that Empking was on the Amrun wagon and later switched to IG when it was about even in steam. He avoided the mini Eidolon wagon that was formed by Hiraki/Tierce/Me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually the Eidolon wagon is pretty lolz if you look at the VCs.

[AngryPidgeon]

What if its Tierce? Just gonna drop that bombshell on everyone. And yes I've been contributing to my other games way more than here. Don't care. Yall are lurkers. Im going to ISO her tomorrow. DW too.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bombshells everywhere tonight!

VOTE: Tierce

I think its her. I really actually do. Similar reasons that I did on D1. Plus I learned fairly recently that scum bussing D1 is totally heard of. I want to ask everyone two questions?

DeasWave:
1. Are you town?
2. Do you find it odd how many townies have been posting recently?

Eidolon:
1. Did you bus Zyrc?
2. Do you find it odd how many townies have been posting recently?

Amrun:
1. Are you town?
2. Do you find it odd how many townies have been posting recently?

MoI:
1. Do you dislike me?
2. Do you find it odd how many townies have been posting recently?

Seriously. I've been strugglung with this game Day because I can see town sides of Amrun, Eid, DW even if they had some scummy things. You know who isn't giving me any town vibes? Tierce. She bussed Maemuki.

[AngryPidgeon]

Heh, I really think its her. I'm reading through her D1 ISO (which admittedly I found scummy at the time, so big shocker that I still find it scummy) and I can't find really any reason to give her town points. At all.

DW's wagon analysis looks town. Plus I just don't see him as scum. I really don't think he is. Eidolon? Her zyrc interactions were bussy looking, but her "Oh maybe I'll vote Zyrc but not now" is honestly too scummy to come from a buddy. It just is. Amrun is well...Amrun. I don't think its her either. Partly cause Empking was on her wagon a lot D1 and Zyrc RVS'd her. Also I really just don't get huge scum vibes from her; just really mild town ones. Tierce? Scum. I was giving her too much of a pass for the D1 Maemuki bus, but its gotta be her. I swear by my golden Scumdar that never runs out of batteries that its her.

P-edit: Thanks

I swear Im not scum though. Honest to god I have not seen a single scum card on this site. I literally do not roll scum. My issue is that I really had to force some reads on you, DW, Amrun today because I don't have any strong ones. I really don't. I kept trying to PoE it down (MoI is pretty much conftown) and look for the scummiest, but I see towntells from all of you at various points. It really comes down to Tierce who has been getting a free pass and lurking around the thread.

I keep oscillating on which of the three of you (amrun, DW, Eid) it could be and I think that is because it isn't. Right now Im leaning Amrun again, but why? It certainly isn't because she has done anything enormously scummy.

DW's wagon analysis is a pretty good towntell.
Eid's Unvote + I may vote zyrc later post is a towntell.
Amrun doesn't have any super towntells but I think her Empking/Mae interactions + the VCs make her probably town.

Tierce? Has done nothing to make me think she is town other than bus Maemuki.

[AngryPidgeon]

LOL ITs Tierce. Im actually somewhat ok with me dying if you promise to lynch her in LyLo. also look at her "Don't claim were eliminating the PR pool bullshit". My money says she fake claims a PR in MyLo.

[AngryPidgeon]

I could swear I had posted this earlier when skimming.

Stop claiming.

We are not massclaiming, and I want to kick every single of you vanilla claimants. Nice job reducing the PR pool for scum.

I think if we mislynch today, MoI gets killed and its Mylo. Someone would likely then suggest a no lynch and Tierce knows that her making it to Lylo would be suspect. I really think her plan was to fake claim some PR in MyLo and force a lynch through then. Because seriously We have a claimed PR. We have 2 lynches. Any claims should have happened by now and Tierce isn't an idiot.

[AngryPidgeon]

MoI, where I was going with the second question is this. I was looking at this game last night and had an epiphany: when trying to get reads Today I've been pulling the wool over my own eyes and ignoring strong town tells from Amrun/Eid/DW and kind of nitpicking their ISO for possibly scummy things. All of these players have done things to make me think they are town. The only one that hasn't is Amrun, but her Mae interactions and some wagon analysis suggests its not her (and she hasn't really done anything scummy).

What I'm trying to get at, but can't seem to get to the point is this: I've been having a really hard time picking among Amrun/Eid/DW because they all read lightly town to me. All the posts theyve been making the last couple Days have been giving me gut town reads for the most part. I realized this last night and did a Tierce ISO to see how I felt about it. Like I said to Eidolon, I think her ISO is scummy as hell but I did on D1 so thats somewhat expected.

I need to reread the context around the time Tierce started pushing Maemuki. She pushed Eidolon and RapidCanyon previously. I find her RC case to be particularly scummy. "I was waiting to see if DY replaced RC", right. Her Maemuki push was from the ground up and she reasonably could have expected it not to go anywhere. Also the push gave her super towncred and made me look really bad because I had been FoSing her heavily up to that point in the game.

[AngryPidgeon]

by 'her' ISO I mean Tierce's , not Eid's in case that was confusing.

The first question was mostly a joke since I essentially asked everyone else if they were town but you are pretty conftown so I figured Id ask something else .

I had something else to say...But I can't remember what that was. But ya, Tierce's Mae push makes me look bad and obviously gave her enough town points to coast this far. Im slightly biased because I recently learned that D1 hard busses do happen on this site. Also Tierce pushing Eid makes me a lot happier knowing that it wasn't a all town on town wagon.

[AngryPidgeon]

DW, I see you online? Thoughts on Tierce being everyone's second best read?

[AngryPidgeon]

Well Tierce lurking as scum is a valid strat. She needs to either claim something in Mylo or lose enough town cred to justify bring in lylo. Lurking sets her up to do that.

[AngryPidgeon]

Its her. Everyone else in this thread is town.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi DW. You are aware you are voting town right?

[AngryPidgeon]

The following is an art gallery. An art gallery of posts that proves how obvtown you all are.

Eidolon is town due to VCA and Zyrconium. Tierce is town due to Meemuki interactions. rapidcanyon is likely town due to the way Maemuki called her town; either way, her claim will out itself eventually if scum.

Zyrconium had some weird interactions with AngryPidgeon, but the way AP refused to vote Maemuki point blank is probably too blatant for scum.

Maemuki seemed to address Empking in a much nicer tone than anyone else - never directed any suspicion towards. A little weird. Plus Empking really avoided talking about Maemuki, but he's lEmpking... Another possibility is Hiraki - don't like those interactions.

For now:

VOTE: Empking

More wagon analysis is necessary.

Notice the elegant D2 Empking vote that came through PoE and Pre-Quil claim. Also notice the slight uncertainty and pretty spot on collection of reads.

IceGuy's Wagon

IceGuy's wagon started at VC 1.5 with seilkops and AP on his butt.

Seilkops voted for IceGuy because of various reasons in 239 but nothing too significant as this was the start of the wagon.

AP voted for IceGuy because he thought seilkops was bussing IceGuy. So AP votes IceGuy? Also he said that IceGuy's post feels like IIOA and so does seilkops, but he voted for IceGuy. (249)

RC voted for IceGuy because he called Eidolon town and because he called Seilkops out for giving Tierce a town read. (280)

The IceGuy wagon remained stagnant up until just a couple days ago. AP and RC traded places on the wagon but then grew to include Empking and MoI. RC changed his vote to Mae.

Empking voted Ice without stating a reason. (520)

MoI voted Ice because he'd rather keep Mae around. (533)

VERDICT: This wagon leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth. It screams of a shitty wagon that managed to pick up steam because of trepidation on the Mae and Amrun wagons.

Maemuke's Wagon

Maemuke started gathering votes by VC 1.10 with Tierce and rapidcanyon voting for Mae.

At the time, the IceGuy wagon was dormant because RC hopped from Ice to Mae and the only person voting Ice was seil. The other competing wagon was Amrun's, which was the largest wagon at the time. All other wagons had only two votes.

Tierce voted for Maemuki because Mae didn't give definitive reads, fencesitting, not voting, and demanding Amrun prove that they're town. (383)

RC voted for Maemuki for a bunch of reasons, including supporting Tierce's case in 398. (401)

Maemuki's wagon picked up steam with IceGuy and Eidolon joining on after the deadline extension.

IceGuy voted for Maemuki, saying she's the "lesser evil" of the two. (e.g. between Maemuki and Amrun) (429)

Eidolon voted for Maemuki in a very wishy-washy way. (497)

Amrun hopped on the Maemuki wagon since she doesn't think IceGuy is scum. (529)

VERDICT: This wagon is much better than IceGuy's wagon in terms of reasoning. The justification for this wagon is just head and shoulders above IceGuy's.

Conclusion

Hiraki's case vs. Eidolon looks more and more legit the more I read it.

I'm starting to think the scumteam is Amrun/Maemuke/Eidolon.

I'm expressing a strong intention to vote Maemuke. I will unless Deas vetoes it.

~ DW

Would scum DW make this post?

Actually, I forgot Deas said that he might not be back before the deadline, so I'm just going to do it.

VOTE: Maemuke

Would scum DW make this post?

This is why i had a slight suspicion of zyrconium: his reaction to teirce. i don't think there is anything inherently alignment affiliated or detrimental about voting without reason, and particularly in the early stages, it's effective for reaction testing. It seems like he was reaching for suspicions, and trying dissuade teirce's reaction testing.

His response hasn't had much to alleviate that. That being said, I think his response to the Apidg. thing was fence-sitting. I'd vote him right now but

@ Mod: I will be v/la over the weekend. I might be able to check in here and there as best i can.

I don't want to put up a vote until I'll be more active, but I would like to hear more from zyrc.

Would scum Eid make this post?

Now compare to these posts:

Anybody care to explain why there are less than two hours to deadline and no one is compromising anywhere, to the point where people are not even posting?

We need bullets through Quilford's head. He is actively ignoring this game.

We cannot no-lynch. That's the worst possible result for town.

PEdit: Of all the retarded idea 24 hours to deadline.

As for things that matter to the game: ^5. Race you to the next scumbag~

[AngryPidgeon]

The flat out inactivity is scaring me a little bit, actually. I hate lynching inactives for the most part, but lets be honest: its her.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, MoI is lurking like a champ too >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

Fair enough, I have some other reasons for thinking they are town. I know a lot of things I found to be town tells other people see as wifom though

[AngryPidgeon]

Eidolon does some things I find scummy, but at the core she has some really strong towntells. Post 807 in particular. Tierce's analysis that Eidolon looks like she is talking to a townie is just wrong. Honestly, its just Eidolon's style to be a little skeptical yet direct. The fact that she accused Seil of subconsciously implying she'll be a townie with the claim is a super-duper towntell imo. I just don't see scum Eid doing that. Also, the I may vote Zyrc but not while V/LA post doesn't come from scum. Ever.

[AngryPidgeon]

And I do think that Amrun/Eid's early Empking voting on D2 is a towntell.

[AngryPidgeon]

Scum focus on details, townies focus on the logic of the bigger picture/ poe.

This makes so much sense; I like you

What do you think of the post were I told MOI to vig kill empking instead of me, and then go after him the next day? Is that a scum or town thing to do?

What post was this?

I just wanted to add this BS again since it really is an obvious scum maneuver:

RC please explain to me the scum motivation behind generating a solid town read on a townie (YOU) and then pelting that person with questions????????????? Oh right, there isn't. Scum like to have a solid town read on someone. Mae is clearly not doing that.

This is really awkward coming form someone who accused me of poking at a wagon with no pull. With that said, I don't think you are aligned with Maemuki.

Instead of spending time showing us her reads about others, Maemuki is spending virtually all of her content on someone who is not going to get lynched today. Why do you consider that behavior a scumtell with me and not with Maemuki, AngryPidgeon? Why the double standard?

I said that Tierce vote-parking and pushing RC after his claim was scum motivated. Tierce later goes out of her way to ask me why Maemuki giving RC a townread and then asking him lots of questions isn't and accuses me of having double standards.

[AngryPidgeon]

TBH, that is scummy as hell. But I still think its Tierce.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think you voting Empking on D2 before the Quilford claim was prob-town. And ya, so you did. Still bussing under pressure is somewhat common. Your Zyrc interactions weren't scum on scum though. I think I'm sure of that.

Kind of agree on Delta/Deas. I really don't think its them though. Maybe, but eh. I kinda want to go back and look for any Empking/DW interactions, but I think they are town so I probably won't unless Tierce flips town. Also Tierce being scum means there was one scum on the RC wagon. I know MoI is town, and I think Amrun is for her D2 Empking votes / Mae interactions.

P-edit: Eid, care to name claim?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im saying I find it highly unlikely scum you votes scum Emp out the door of D2

[AngryPidgeon]

Was hoping to catch you online right away so you could name claim in real time

[AngryPidgeon]

I would have figured you obvtown if you didn't have to look it up. But I don't think looking it up is a tell really.

I do get why you/DW are suspicious of me. My play has been pretty meh this game, but I do think its Tierce and I will be very happy with my D1 self if it is.

P-edit: I did. I'm pastor Skip from saved.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh, why do I stay up so late. Im so stupid.

Ya, MoI is VLA, right? It seemed like a tierce wagon had support with or without him, but it would be nice to have him check in.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm suspicious of AP because of his conduct today. Bouncing his suspicions around from person to person seemed like an attempt to feel out who is ripe for a lynch, and then fixing his sights on Tierce and telling everyone else how much town we all are just rubbed me the wrong way. However Deas tells me that this is actually a town thing for AP to do. I'll defer to his judgment on that.

Not to result to self-meta, but in my one offsite scum game I lurked and kept my reads consistent.

I think anyone that has played with me will tell you that I am a spazz.

[AngryPidgeon]

Check my wiki. I need to move mini 1347 to town loss from ongoing .

Not for lack of trying on my end.. We had thor at l-1 two posts in to phsse before lylo and the other 2 town went derp.

[AngryPidgeon]

Last I checked only Eid and I were voting her

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually I'll be the hammer

~ DW

[AngryPidgeon]

Come on Delta, two town wins in one night.

[AngryPidgeon]

It better be her.

[AngryPidgeon]

But srsly, WTB a scum claim from Tierce or a mod post.

[AngryPidgeon]

: /

[AngryPidgeon]

Eidosmartscum?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ill take that as a claim